The Menendez Brothers: Killers or Victims?!
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Loosing hair at 14 and wetting the bed at that age seems like a large sign of stress, for sure something was going on
Severe stress or trauma. For sure.
Ya wetting the bed (at an age that you should be fully potty trained) is a sign of abuse. And that’s at like 5,6,7,8 years old, but 14?! Something was going on, whether it’s what they said happened or something else.
OOOH YOU’RE RIGHT
it's also an early sign of serial killers.
Yes! I couldn’t agree with you more! Hair loss due to stress is also known as alopecia . Its devastating and out of your control. But how unfortunate....
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He was afraid his peers would find out he was Hispanic? His name is Jose Menendez, everyone already knows.
I was thinking that also!
It's so obvious!
Same thought lol
Didn’t she say Cuban?
@@JennifuhhGilardi Yes she did. Cubans are considered Hispanic.
The fact that they get life without parole but someone like Casey Anthony gets to walk free absolutely sickens me
Casey Anthony was so clearly guilty too.. she makes me sick
Yeah that's sick
She walked? Damn!
Whose Cassie Antony
@@jassminjones3819 casey anthony she was arrested and put on trial for the death of her 4 year old daughter in 2008 but was never convicted of any charges
The way the bodies of the parents are described makes me feel like it was a rage killing, for sure. If it were just about money, I don't feel like it would have been so horrific. I think there was some SERIOUS rage and trauma coming through in the way they killed both of their parents, and I think that speaks to the abuse they both claim to have suffered.
who cares, they deserve prison.
@@za.monolit stfu they don't
Also, if it was just for money they wouldn’t be hysterically emotional with guilt. Guilt wouldn’t have been a factor. Bc those who chase materialistic life, do not see anything but the prize.
I agree with you.
@@za.monolit No. They were severely ab used. It was self defense.
Lyle was losing hair and Erik was wetting the bed those are both sighns of abuse and extreme stress
Omg...just unbelievable ignorance..
He lost his hair because of genetics!!
@@orgyhepburn2761 he was 14 though. That's not common at that young of an age.
@@riley9069 yep! i have alopecia (was not passed down through genetics) and started losing handfuls of hair at the age of nine due to stress.
@@orgyhepburn2761 unbelievable ignorance? mighty claim to assail if you aren't educated on the physiological effects of trauma. If your daughter begins menstruating at 7 or son was still bedwetting at 14 it would be ignorant to assume such outliers in development were merely genetic.
@@maebandy
I would not automatically assume it was due to abuse..
There are many other reasons.
Psychology is detrimental to mental health as is allopathic medicine is detrimental to physical health.
You will not win with your weak arguments.
Remember what happened with hidden memories of sexual abuse?
The psychologists were pushing it...this theory was basically debunked but
It ruined a lot of innocent lives.
I guess José would be like I'm not angry you killed me I'm disappointed you got caught
PLEASE-
Please this is so funny
Lmaoooo
😂
I am screaming
I really resent that they ask, Lyle I believe, if he tried to end the sex. It wasn't sex, it's RAPE. I was abused by my step father in a very similar manner to what the Menendez brothers endured, and my mother was complicit in it as well. When I finally told her that I was being raped daily by her husband she said that I was having sex with him. That's always stuck with me. It wasn't sex. It wasn't consensual, it was rape.
I'm so sorry. How disgusting that she said that to you. She not only knew it was happening but made it seem like it wasn't horrible and abuse. Don't understand what led her to stand up for him and not you. I'm so sorry. I hope you can find healing.
Very sorry that you went through that
A mother should protect or find help.... u were just a child.... sorry to hear this.... I hope that u r in a good place in ur life
God damn that’s awful. I’m so sorry….I hope you have peace of heart, soul, and mind now. ❤️
Terrible😢😢😢
This case breaks my heart. It’s so disgusting how the media mocked them. I feel if this case took place today they would have been treated very differently.
One would absolutely hope that would be the case.
I'm glad Erik and Lyle have wives along with children. I hope they dont continue that nasty, toxic disgraceful family legacy. I truly hope Erik and Lyle along with their wives and children create a beautiful family legacy they can be proud of. I'm sorry that Eril and Lyles wives and children have to visit them in prison and not a decent home where Lyle and Erik can be with their wives and children where they need to be.
after they killed their own parents there family still stood by them. i think that can confirm abuse did happen
I agree. His cousin even said Eric told I’m him about the abuse years before the killings.
@@ginastrada when did he say that?
Then why didn't they do anything to stop the abuses?
EDIT: I mean the other family members
@@M-13040 because it's normal human behavior not to
@@mithramusic5909 If other family members knew what was going on they should consider themselves responsible: if they had done anything to try to save the boys the murder wouldn't have happened and the boys wouldn't have been sentenced to life in prison
the judge who said they couldn't talk about their sexual abuse can go to hell. at this point I'm starting to believe the judicial system supports sexual violence. ugh
It totally does.
It totally does, being a victim myself they could care less about the victims and will let any "evidence" against the victims be said by the attacker
It’s because most people in power are guilty of sexual abuse. They like being in control which is why they have the jobs that they do. That’s why every other crime is taken so seriously but sexual assault seems to be the one crime that the court system/cops push under the rug
Judges often request that testimonies or pieces of evidence not be shown to the jury if they can't be proven or were illegally obtained.
I'm guessing the reason they were asked to not speak about the abuse was because there wasn't enough proof, and the jury could have unfairly acquitted them. I believe they were abused, though.
Probably because there was no evidence of sexual abuse. Honestly, if the cops believed their act so much that they didn't even suspect them at first, I think a lot of people easily believe their "act" on the stand when they talk about the alleged sexual abuse. I'm not saying there wasn't emotional abuse, but since they were caught on tape admitting to it, its just too convenient to use the "sexual abuse" card. I just don't trust these guys to tell the truth, so I'm not really buying it. They made up a really good alibi for the night of the murder, and they had plenty of time to come up with stories of sexual abuse before the trial so....yeah...I call their bullshit on it.
Its cases like this and Gipsy Rose that hurt my brain like yeah you’re guilty but like at the same time I 10000% understand WHY they did it
Gypsy Rose was a different story. She was stuck in her situation, there was no getting out for her. She was abused in every single way and permanently stunted & disfigured from the abuse.
Can't compare
@@A.J.8.8.8Yes you can 💀, it takes alot of power and courage to escape any type of abuse. That's why some don't speak out until years later, or never at all. In the end they both did what they felt was their only chance of freedom.
@KingofKrustycrab what B.S. They saw an opportunity to both be rid of the expectations and conditions tied to their inheritance and to have enough money to burn. They had a criminal record for planning and committing high end heists and were mad that their father was considering taking them out of the will for getting caught.
@@A.J.8.8.8 Bruh your comment is B.S 😭, those boys were molested and seeing as how the system LOVES to keep pedos on the street, they did what they had to do.
@@A.J.8.8.8no. She could’ve gotten away the moment she realized she walked and met up with her bf. We all have choices, it’s our minds and experience that dictates how we choose to end it or get away
My opinion:
I find it hard to believe they weren't abused, no one can act out the hurt looks in their eyes as they talked about what their dad did to them. It's unfair how male victims are shunned, and told they are lying. The sentence was way too harsh, I've seen worst criminals get less years, and the fact that they weren't given parole?? Or placed in the same prison?? It's ridiculous.
the judge had viewed them differently since they were both males althought they had been placed in the same prision around 2017 and see eachother daily :)
The way that all victims of sex crimes are treated is despicable. The justice system is stacked against them from the get-go.
“Killers or Victims?”
Me: “A little bit of both”
Me: “right, why limit them to just one box?” 🤝
They were defo abused, but I think that violence was so normalized to them that they didn't understand that this was not the only way out.
@@camillefaith2005 oohhh that’s a really great point about mental state 💯
I agree completely! They admitted to killing their parents at both trials but they were horrifically abused. Had this happened in the 2010s or even now, the verdict would have been so different. I think they’ve served their time and they’ve proven to be good prisoners (if you research their life after the trial, they’ve actually done a lot of amazing things behind bars). They aren’t a danger to society and their own family wants them out. Let them free!!
@Mary I mean have you watched The Act on Hulu, she was 100% innocent and she literally had no choice in my opinon
Honestly if no one liked the dad.. the parents barely had any friends... that tells you a lot about their household.
I never believe when one parent says they didn't know the other was abusing their children, I figure purposeful naivete is permission. But, the fact that his own brother didn't know he was balding really challenges my thoughts about the power of fear-based insulation. Not in this case, she was a sick puppy, ex-beauty queen carrying on the grand traditions of physical humiliation and love thriftily measured out by the size of a child's latest trophy. Maybe in others..
All facets of their lives had to be pushed to excellence for the esteem of strangers, but all of that sacrifice for status among the tribe and you can't count any of them as friends? tells you a lot, about a lot, in many households.
People, dont like me and I dont have friends, so I guess I'm a bad person?
@@dionnefaulkes Some people find parsing out a single facet of their discussion and reducing its greater meaning to that trivial concept a bit off-putting but, I wouldn't use it as my only qualifier of a person's moral bearing.
@@dionnefaulkes for all we know you could be a bad person, I wouldn't advertise it in youtube comments lol
@@a.s.h.a118 I dont have anything to hide, besides it's just CZcams. (Complete strangers) lol!
They are guilty but did their time. They are not a danger to society in my opinion. They were horribly abused and violently killed their parents. 15 years locked up would have been enough time.
I'm sorry if their sicko father raped them they ain't guilty. That monster had that shit coming
I kind of disagree and feel similarly about the Gypsy rose Blanchard case... First of all, I'm against punitive justice in general. I think prisons should be abolished. However, I'm especially bothered that we throw ppl in jail when they kill their abusers out of desperation. They already went through hell. Why do they deserve to be punished even more?
@@alligatorsarecoming78 Yes!!! Gypsy should have been in a mental institution for a couple years and let go! We cannot even imagine what she endured since a baby!! Horrific. Her mom deserved what she got. These boys reloaded and came back. Yes they were abused but still brutally killed their parents. They should have gotten out after 10-15 not a danger to society. Gyspy though...she broke my heart saying she deserves to be locked up forever
a local r*pist in my area got 14 for more than 8 cases in the past couple of years and i think he needed more, he is more of a danger to society than these two. They did their time and i feel considering the trauma jose put them through theres only so much they can take before they break
Agreed, let them out
I watched the first trial, and according to one of Kitty’s few close friends, Faith Goldsmith, Kitty literally wanted Lyle, who was just an infant, to stay with his grandmother full time and she would just visit with him twice a week. Friday en route to skiing and Sunday on the way back. ( Kitty and Jose had decided to take up skiing and would go regularly on over night weekend trips shortly after Lyle’s birth). So the grandmother would care for Lyle even when Kitty wasn't working. Kitty would often tell her sons she wished they were never born and they ruined her marriage. She even told Jose’s sister that she wished she didn’t have her sons or that she would have preferred to have girls. Kitty told her niece Diane that “ children drive a wedge between a husband and wife.” According to Lyle’s testimony, Kitty told him that she wanted to pursue a career and make her own money instead, but that Jose had given her an ultimatum “ stay home and raise my son” or leave. This along with the many testimonies of negligent behavior during the trial and I truly believe Kitty did not want to be a mother or care for her sons from the very beginning.
Just came to say the same things, Kitty most certainly didn’t want to be a mother and was not happy about being pregnant. And she made sure Lyle knew he ‘ruined her life’
They didn’t kill randoms, they killed their abusive parents 🤷🏾♀️
Exactly
Murder isn’t the answer tho 😬
@Moth I am actually a victim of human trafficking. I am an advocate for victims of abuse and have spoken at many conferences and events. I understand fully what it is like to be a victim and I am very hurt and still healing. But I cannot use my history of abuse and unfathomable torture as a reason to hurt my abusers. I have wanted to hurt myself and have and wanted to hurt others before out of pain and I was immediately institutionalized where I belonged. Where I learned to cope and manage my emotions. Some of my tormentors were never caught and sometimes I just feel pressure inside where I want nothing more than to hurt someone I know who may know information. I even thought about how I would do if. But those moments I’m weak I confide in help. I have called the police on myself before. It’s not hard. It’s not easy either. But if we all just snapped based off emotions we wouldn’t have the judicial system.
Ah yes, the good old, “their life sucked so murder was the right answer.”
@@elim4181 Exactly. If everyone got to kill their parents when they did fucked up shit there would be no parents left lol
bed wetting at an age like that with the added fact the he started to lose his hair at 14 just proves to me that they were victims. honestly breaks my heart that snl skit
This
That’s exactly what I’m thinking! To be losing hair and wetting the bed at his age, he must have been experiencing a lot of stress and abuse (even if not physical, emotional abuse could cause this, too)
Ya this is case has me see a lot of similarities to what I went through. The hair loss is a very significant point to me because I went through picking out all of my hair because of it. And honestly I feel like that’s not something you think to make up if it didn’t actually happen
My friend's younger brother was bedwetting at 10+, nobody molested him but their family was definitely dysfunctional. It doesn't only happen from being sexually abused. Hair loss at such a young age points to a serious hormone dysfunction which in turn can explain some mental symptoms like rage, for example (high levels of a certain type of testosterone cause hair loss in men).
@@babygraceblue1807 where tf would they have gotten this information on what happens. You’ve still admitted that they’ve been abused
they were SO failed by the criminal justice system it’s heartbreaking.
Exactly. Truly heart breaking
right??? Casey Anthony is out free.
They were also failed by their PARENTS‼️‼️‼️
How ??
Everyone failed them. Their parents their relatives, their friends, their teachers and coaches, the police, the justice system and most definitely the media.
The only ones who didn't fail them appear to be their defense.
Mom was terrible too. Imagine your entire childhood having no one but abusers as family 😢
So all the female jurors believed they were abused and the males didn't, and then the next trial they were forbidden from talking about their abuse? Pretty sure that's on purpose. Pretty disgusting honestly...
The AG for Cali was fed up from losing the OJ case. They were pretty determined from the jump on the second hearing to not allow the things that swayed the jurors in the first trail. Super messed up.
Forbidden from talking about their abuse?! Wtf!! That’s bullshit.
Absolutely abhorrent, especially considering sexual abuse can absolutely traumatize a child mentally, leaving them never the same. They could’ve had PTSD or a host of psychological disorders because of that, which personally I think could’ve been cause to have their charges dropped by reason of insanity. But I doubt the AG in that county was going to lose yet another high profile case so soon after OJ
They was just doing that because they wasn’t winning any case after the oj case they was determined to get this boy in jail
The Menendez Brothers were used as an example. The prosecution team wanted to “look good”, because of their recent failure.
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I feel sorry for the boys. They are victims. I think the sexual abuse accusations were definitely true, and they killed them in anger from all the trauma. Their parents must been really evil people.
But through out the whole thing they never once. Turned down their money or there trips. They were adults and could of left. They chose not Instead they chose to kill. And spend. Keep them they are where they belong.
@@sandyt7225 u should feel more empathetic as youve never been in their situation
@sandyt7225 agree, they had criminal records for stealing from people. It was about money for them and to not have to work for their money any longer. Sociopaths
They really seemed happy and were living it up until they got caught.
@@sandyt7225That’s a very uninformed comment- with respect to
A member of Menudo said their dad raped him when he was a teen (I guess he was involved in their group management). Whether or not he did, they’ve served enough time. We at the very least know he brutally abused them physically so it’s time to let them out of prison.
Just the fact that he was losing hair at 14 says a lot!!! I believe that they went through horrific abuse. Their mother knew and this explains why she was shot in the face and numerous time.
And the fact that Lyle was still wetting the bed when he was a little older which can be a sign of sexual abuse
iamFeliciaRenee. I agree. The amount of overkill done to the mother is blind rage.
I just commented something similar 😥
Exactly too much shooting means passion crime and those usually are done by murderers who got really hurt
@@mias7248 Yup. I wet the bed until I was almost 15 because of it.
José from his grave: "I'm not mad you killed me. I'm just mad that you got caught"
LMAOO
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LITERALLY
FACTS! 🤯
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As a victim of years of sexual child abuse, I know what went through their heads growing up. Not only are you being sexual and mentally abused by your protector, the person you look up too and someone you love, but the fate of the family is in your hands. Telling that secrete will destroy ones life and an entire family. Not to mention your own life and image. The Mendez Bro had an image they were made to have and living a hollywood life, in their mind what would that do them if they reported their father? It would be headline news. NO it does NOT justify murder. As for their mother, yes she can allow the abuse and still support her sons at events. I had a similar situation, at 13 I was called a whore in the courtroom by my own grandmother for something that started when I was 5 and yes at 5 the first time it happened, I told! I was ignored. So it went on for 8 more years. So YES, their reaction, the years of sexual, mental and physical abuse led to what they thought was the only way out. The fact that their family stood by them, says A LOT! It was not just one family member, it was a lot of their family members. That says a lot about their parents. Most don't get that kind of support after killing someone esp their own family members, unless they knew that one day it would lead to this for the years of abuse those boys endured. Again does NOT justify murder! All throughout the years and still today, people turn a blind eye to the stigma of male sexual abuse.
Thank you for sharing. I truly hope you are healing and doing well despite what you have gone through. Something that I thought of when reading your comment was that they were so used to watching their dad get away with anything, and even helping them get away with things, so I wonder if that also was imprinted into their mind that telling anyone would just get them in even worse trouble because their dad would just get away with it.
Also, I can't even imagine the conflict they must have felt in their heart. My dad was always abusive to myself and my mom. Has done and said sexually inappropriate things towards me yet I hate him not just for what he did but because I'm biologically wired to love him I can't help but do so so hating him just hurts me even more. It's fucked up and nobody should ever have to feel this because of something their parents did to them
wow. shocking. so sorry you experienced that.
but you are so right in what you said, about the fate of the family being in your hands.
I totally understand what you mean.
so many families have sex abuse in them and for other people to find out seems to be more important than the fate of the child 😢
This case eats me up because on one hand being abused as severely as they were it "immediate danger" takes on a new meaning. Abusers are like shadows, following your every waking moment even when they're not around. It can be near impossible to break free from their grasps- just think of all the battered spouses who have had to uproot their lives and change their identities to escape. And that's WITHOUT the added factors of being wealthy parents with many resources. It's not hard to imagine why they would view their parents deaths as the only escape.
On the other hand they premeditated a murder and that shouldn't go unpunished.
These two shouldn't have been given such a severe sentence and this is a good example of how our justice system is far removed from being reformatorym
They should serve jail time but definitely not life. They were clearly both extremely abused from a very young age
I completely agree, I think it should be served as manslaughter or self defense
@@ellaquinn9644 exactly
Yesss!!
By sending them to jail is only going to make them worse they need real help and love something they never received
@@Idontknow-wx5je they committed pre meditated murder- they should get jail time while being given therapy and care- in my opinion
Ok but what a terrible therapist? Like he’s a cheater and abused his mistress? No wonder the therapy wasn’t working
seemed like the brothers were just surrounded by abusive people who betrayed them in different ways.
usually therapist have some mental illness
@@nea3090 that seems not good😂
Therapist was definitely only there for the money.
You do realize how ludicrous you people sound. The killers were abused. The therapist was lousy. Yes, everyone around the murderers are abusive and disgusting. The only decent good people are the cold blooded killers! You people are exactly who the defense counted on to buy this nonsense. Hope you all are never asked to be on a jury. You would have let off Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez, and Kenneth Bianchi all because they were mistreated as children. Oh, and let’s not forget Jennifer Pan. 🤣
As someone who grew up in a household that was extremely similar, not class wise, but nonetheless the same idea of total and utter success under any means necessary and parents taking advantage of their kids in any way possible, their motive was completely understandable. It’s hard to think you can escape shitty parents ESPECIALLY when one has extremely influential. They absolutely developed skills that would not work in the normal world, and it is really sad to see that the kids never were believed about their abuse.
Personally, I don't think these killings were done in self defence but out of anger and hate for their parents for what had happened to them. I think that money was possibly apart of the motive, but I think it was a way to escape their father's control.
fr their own mother was terrified of them and everyone seems to forget that eric was a awarded actor in highschool, they turned to the abuse tactic cause it’s more believable and they already had tapes of them admitting to doing it
They could've easily moved away from their parents. Murder should never be a thought.
@@crims0nchinit’s easy for everyone to say that, until they’re in the same position
An 8 year-old little child wouldn’t lie about being sexually assaulted by his father. I feel awful for these two boys.
most 8 year olds don’t even know what that is
@@maddyismanic but they can realize what their parents are doing to them? like 😐
While that is normal true, Does happen. Watch the movie just ask my children on lifetime. A husband and wife were convicted by an entire neighborhood of sex abuse because all of the little children had been coerced to lie about the abuse and it took like 20 years or something by the time they’re little boys were full grown men to get out of prison and get exonerated
An 8-year-old probably wouldn't, but would an adult woman? Their cousin was telling the story. She could have been making it up.
@@cuurlybangs who are you referring to?
I mean obvs they killed their parents, and no one deserves to die, but I think they really went through shit. Reminds me of the Gypsy Rose case a bit
yea no child abusers do in fact deserve death... a slow and painful death
And they went through far worse than what Gypsy went through.
Rapists deserve to die period. Their dad raped them
@@rachboudreau i wouldnt say that. comparing abuse is stupid
@@rachboudreau yeah I wouldn't say they went through far worse. Not only can you not really compare abuse but gypsy's whole life, identity and freedom was taken from her. What she lived through is one of the worst things I can imagine not to even mention all the medical abuse to her body.
One thing really bothers me. If Kitty went to the counselor and was so terrified of the boys wouldn't she have said something about her husband being abusive too if that was the situation???
The doggo sleeping in the background is literally so cute I am going to cry
what makes me sick to my stomach is they considered that “sex” it wasn’t sex, it was rape.
they used the word sex because of erik, he was uncomfortable with the word rape and often he got very distraught when it was used
@@ellaniamh2458 ohh ok thank you :)
They still don't exactly understand how wrong it was what their parents did to them, it rlly upsets me.
@@tillyxassira sorry I’m a little late but it’s not really bc of that. It was bc Erik (maybe both. Not sure.) but I do know Erik would freak out if they used the word rape…probably bc of trauma…
Trigger words.
I bet the mother knew how toxic her household was, and that her sons would seek revenge. She locked her door at night. She knew something. She slept in fear.
What’s even more disgusting is that in their testimony, I believe is that Erick admit that his mom would make him take his pants down and check his private area and remove the blisters because of his disgusting father’s actions
The mother would forget to bring there tennis stuff and will tell the brothers to say they forgot and not her cause Jose will beat them up and not her
She locked her door because her sons were psycho and greedy!
@@smurfylee her sons weren’t psycho . watch the damn video . they were physically , mentally , emotionally abused and raped . knowing all of that and how toxic their household was , it will make you think there’s no other way . they were raped by their OWN FATHER FOR FUCKING YEARS . you don’t get to call them psycho . if you were in that same situation and had no way out and your fight or flight instincts kick in , you’d do the same shit . that’s all they knew was abuse and trauma , they were very sheltered . they had no way out . to them it was either they get killed by the hands of their “ father “ or to kill . their father literally would get violent with the boys when they said no to the sexual abuse . if you listened to one of the boys’ testimonies you’d know their “ father “ once ( probably multiple times ) grabbed a fucking knife and put it to his sons THROAT because they said no to the sexual encounter .
@@arielhaddon4104 you don't know this is true, maybe they were molested but by someone else.. They were good actors, one even got an award for acting! They just wanted money and didn't want to work for it or wait for it.. That's why they robbed ppl!! They were greedy..
The fact that another one of José's victims came forward recently... The Menendez brothers definitely deserve another trial.
Apparently it will be treated as a new evidence for their [menendez] case
He’s just trying to get money
I just wanna say - when you showed the picture of Jose Menendez at the beginning, you can just see the devil in his eyes. Same type of eyes you can see in other evil people. It gave me chills.. it’s so strange.
*Fun Fact:* Lyle and Erik can be seen sitting courtside in the background of Mark Jackson's 1990 NBA Hoops trading card (Card # 205). The photo used on the card was taken in the period between the murders and their arrest; in other words, during the brothers' notorious 'spending spree'. As a result of their presence in the photo, that card is now the single most valuable in the entire 1990-91 NBA Hoops set, which, incidentally, happens to include one of the earliest non-limited Michael Jordan cards ever produced, as well as the rookie cards of Shawn Kemp, Drazen Petrovic, and Tim Hardaway. The Mark Jackson card is valued at approximately $150 in PSA 10 mint condition, which translates to a roughly 10,000 percent increase in value since the presence of the Menéndez Brothers was discovered in 2018.
Yes I’ve seen this! Really interesting. The video was already too long to include it but I was considering talking about it, thanks for this comment!!!
Oh my gosh. Crazy.
WAIT I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THAT! I knew about that but totally forgot it was this case!
My husband was convinced he had that card! He has a bunch of the others from that year, but we just went through his collection and he doesn't have it.
How interesting! That's crazy to think such an unassuming trading card at that time would become so valuable because of this specific crime.
I don’t understand why they didn’t interview the maid
I was a maid, and the maid knows what really goes on in a house.
Maybe she refused to testify?
ya about like the awful house with animal feces and stuff that would’ve helped
The maid did testify at one point. They had to have a translator for her. I saw a clip of her being asked about Lyles toupee. I can't find it now tho. 🤔
I feel like they are lying and he killed the parents for the money
As someone who's grown up in a household where life and death go hand in hand (family used to work with rescues and I've had to deal with a lot of death over the years, even if we don't as much), and someone who has been molested when I was 11, I don't think them killing was out of line.
When you're raped, you die every time you remember or think about it. You lose such an integral part of your life, you feel tainted, unloved, you're afraid to be touched, you're afraid of anyone getting close to you in that way, and with all the other abuse they'd been through, close in ANY way.
The parents had it coming. They put those boys through Hell for 12 YEARS. 12. You, Menendez parents, killed those boys over, and over, and over, in so many ways, and then expected them to live like normal. You shamed them for something they couldn't control. You made them want to DIE just by being in the room.
I think the only “controversial” thing about this case is the verdict. That’s it. They were abused, and they became murderers. The only thing that would change is their verdict aka parole. That’s it.
If there’s someone a victim hates more than the parent who abused them, it’s the parent who stood by and watched it happen.
It's the kids who could not wait to spend their fathers wealth.
That’s honestly what I thought when I heard she was shot more than her husband.
Comming from a victim here. My “dad” abused be for years, and my mother knew about it, and it just made me despise her knowing she could’ve stopped it or done something. But instead, she just let it happen. So I understand how the 2 brothers feel. I know how it feels to be abused and manipulated for years by the 2 people who were supposed to protect you.
@@dovileknizikeviciute2311 didn’t you watch the video? they hired a technician to erase the new will in the computer.
@@dovileknizikeviciute2311 the money was just an f you to their abusers. Especially the Porche that his dad didn't want him to get.
It’s just sick how they were mocked on an actual tv show.
EXACTLY
I love Jesus
@@citylights3452 your sick
@@cosmophire Saturday night live I’m pretty sure that’s what it’s called
@@citylights3452 ur actl disgusting to say that being humiliated intron of millions is something funny
They probably have more peace and freedom in prison than they ever did growing up.
I'm glad they were reunited eventually, so sad they were ever separated.
“He tried to hide the fact that he was Hispanic”
*jose menedez*
He's also a very white Cuban...cream of the crop.
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lmao 😂. I’m surprised he never changed his name.
@@blacktigerpaw1 lmaooo I was gonna say I’m not surprised a white Cuban is embarrassed by their Hispanic heritage
@@blacktigerpaw1 he actually looked VERY Hispanic too *JOSE* 🤣. Shame how some of our people try to forget their race. I’ve faced so much discrimination for my Hispanic heritage and having an interracial marriage with a white man and I couldn’t stand prouder for it. I’m waiting for my folkloric suit to wear it on the next family gathering since they hate my Hispanic heritage lol. Anyway, his NPD was hardcore ruined his son’s lives and doomed him
The SNL skit wasn’t even funny that’s so uncalled for and disgusting
I agree
i was about to comment this, like seriously its just disrespectful , i have no idea how it could be fund funny.
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Not gonna lie, I was really disappointed that she included it in her video. It was unnecessary and distasteful.
Killers or not, I don’t think mocking them was the right way to go. I totally agree with you
At 4:49, the Dad‘s hand replacement on one of the brothers is alarming.
I believe them. The way they moved when they were talking about it, it was so telling. I work in mental health and that didn't look remotely faked. I'm not saying killing anyone was excusable, but I don't believe they were lying.
Their 911 call didn't seem fake either. When police pulled up they was falling out in the front yard pouring tears, screaming. But that was an act too. Idk that's what makes me feel like they lie alot
@@TruecrimewithLeeLee in all honesty, they probably weren't faking the devastation and intense emotional reaction when the police showed up (or on the 911 call). Killing their own parents no matter how shitty that (allegedly) were to them,would probably still have affected them way more than they (the brothers) thought it would. Some of that can even be inferred from the fact Eric couldn't shoot his mom initially and how it was weighing on Eric enough that that he confessed twice to people he trusted and normally looked to for help and support
@@falynoliver81 exactly like not every killer can just be okay with what happened and act normal I’m sure they felt awful about it but at the same time they’re relived that they’re gone . It’s hard to say if they’re victims or killers because no matter what no matter how abused you are physically or mentally don’t mean you result to killing them . Very few people do so . If I was them I would’ve just moved they were over 18 by that time so why couldn’t they just leave and build a new life away from there parents .
In my opinion there’s always a way out that doesn’t result in murder . They didn’t half to kill the parents but that’s what they resulted in. They had some type of mental disorder before this happened because no normal person just does this .
Have you not heard of psychos? Because that’s what a psycho would act like
The SNL “sketch” was *incredibly* inappropriate and insensitive, absolutely disgusting.
Yeah they should of waited to make it or just not make it at all, they were just trying to catch on the bandwagon of the case
I giggled
Its comedy man come on ! If your that sensitive dont watch comedians! I thought it was hilarious ...that doesnt mean i dont feel sympathy for everyone involved in this case though, i just know how to appreciate a joke!
Yes and literally nothing about it was funny. There was no humor there... so I must have missed something.
@@midwesternprincesss they cried every seven seconds pls they were faking it
Free the Mendez brothers. I can't believe the judge didn't allow them to share their abuse and denied the brothers from seeing eachother. Shame on that judge.
Free them for what !?! They killed their parents . And then lied about being abused to try and save their ass .
Menendez* dumbahh
Yeah
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@@Cartier2Shiestyp
I can understand getting some years in prison because ultimately they committed murder but WITHOUT PAROLE?? FOR LIFE?? They’re literally victims what were they supposed to do?
Yes because they shot their parents while their were asleep, their parents did even have a chance to flee or even see the attack coming. That is some pretty sick shit to do to a person no matter how bad they are
@@alski200 Stop spreading misinformation. Kitty and Jose Menendez were NOT asleep when they were shot as proven by the forensics. That's literally information you can look up on the internet in 10 seconds. Heck, even looking at the crime scene photos alone shows that. Do better.
I personally think Eric and Lyle’s reactions after the crime was just pure shock about what they did
exactly what i was thinking like yes you planned it and did it but at the time its pure rush, once you actually see it its like instant regret
Either that or them grieving for themselves after that being the ending to their relationship w their parents after all they endured because of them
I've always thought this also. I don't think they're faking those emotions
Remember that after the murder, they left to go buy movie tickets (for their alibi) and then came back. Their reaction wasn't directly after they committed the crime, which makes me think it wasn't "pure shock"
@@kna3951 yeah but perhaps it was the realisation of it all when they left the scene and then came back. When all the adrenaline and everything else from the moment had settled a bit and then they looked at their parents and at what they had actually done
I’ve watched interviews before where they have said that they feel safer in prison than they ever did in their own home and that speaks volumes.
Exactly
What also speaks volumes is the crazy amounts of cash they spent after their deaths. That's real traumatizing stuff there. 😑
The Sprouts In Egypt Brody their parents raised them that way that the only comfort they could gain was from spending it makes a lot of sense when you think about their upbringing
@@Bombo505 ummm they didn’t care abt their parents bc of the abuse let alone their money
@@AllisonTamayo what was the reason to lie about it in the beginning then ? If they were really victims why would they need to lie and try to escape from the police ? if they feel comfortable in prison let them stay there.
I think what stands out to me the most is the loyalty and camaraderie they still feel for one another. Usually cold blooded murderers would rat each other out, throw each other under the bus and feel nothing about it. These two definitely seem super close because they lived through a shared trauma. I’m not sure that absolves them from consequences for what they did but it sure makes me feel for them a little bit.
As a victim of SA, I can relate to a lot of things they felt and said. That said I strongly believe them and the people that don’t believe them don’t understand SA. Yes they were rich and privileged but that doesn’t mean this couldn’t happen behind closed doors. The dad worked with Spanish music groups including children who have come out about being SA. Coincidence ?
I was sexually abused and understand it very well. I don't know if I've ever believed them.
But they were at the age where they could have walked away from their parents, and cut all ties. They didn’t have to kill to get away. And i think that was the arguement of the prosecutors. Self defense is when you are imminent danger and afraid for your life, so you kill the attacker. That wasn’t the case here.
@@sunwriter3863u been abused before??
@@sunwriter3863 If you look into it a bit more you'll find the reasons why they apparently feared for their lives.
Being abused, doesn't make you an expert on abuse. Most people alive have been assaulted.
The producers of Saturday night live should hang their heads in shame, so disgusting mocking victims of abuse
I Agree...
The fact that they planned it out, made a script, found actors, recorded, and edited and STILL thought it was funny makes me so angry. And they wonder why people don't come out with the truth.
No one believed they were abused back then. Everyone believed they killed their parents for money.
The skit wasn’t that terrible. They weren’t “mocking victims of abuse” because they were abused. They mocked murder suspects.
They still murdered their parents.
@@DANNYTHEFROG123 Their parents were abusive. They needed an escape.
I feel like these guys weren't lying about the sexual, emotional, and physical abuse. His demeanor when giving the testimony was believable.
But his crying during the 911 call was believable too. That's what confuses me so much
@@TruecrimewithLeeLee i was just going to say this, plus wasnt one of them an actor?
@@abiyo506 yep, eric was the actor. plus the mom was convinced they were sociopaths, and sociopaths are masters of manipulation
@@TruecrimewithLeeLee, the crying could have been sincere. The amount of emotion a victim of abuse can feel towards their abuser (especially when it's a parent) is almost unbelievable. The amount of guilt, relief, grief, and so many other emotions they would have been feeling could explain their reactions during the call and when police arrived.
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It’s hard to know what’s the truth after all the boys did manage to convince the police for a while they were innocent. Yes they were guilty but was the sentence fair?
Yes it was a murder. Many people after getting raped just once experience so much rage that drives them to murder. They have much trauma that lives with them their whole life, being haunted everyday of what happened to them. Now imagine getting raped not just once but your whole life by the person that was suppose to care for you and protect you. NOT be the the ones you need protection from. That being said they have served thirty two years in prison and have done their time and deserve to be let free.
I've heard some of the things they said their dad did, and I would never in a million years even come up with some of those things if I was trying to write a rapist or an abuser. I have no doubt in my minds that at least some of their story definitely happened to them because what they would have made up if so is just so out there
i’ve been sexually assaulted once, i can’t imagine enduring it constantly. something like that would drive a person to lash out.
@abby kipp It happened to me twice by my grandfather and to this day i wanna kick his face and its been more than 2 decades. He is dead now. But in my nightmares, i still am scared of him. Its disgusting but i have to move on. So i can only imagine also... thanks for sharing, i hope you're ok ❤
I’m so sorry I hope you’re ok now
I'm so sorry 😞😢 hope you're doing better now and that you got some help 🙏
Me too!
I was raped 8 times by the same man. Now I’m an onlyfans girl. It helps me reclaim my sexuality. It’s empowering. Then people shame me...for the aftermath of what someone else did to me. I’m misunderstood.
I believe they were abused by their father and ignored by their mother and that’s why they were so close/codependent on each other. And the fact that Jose was so hated by his colleagues is a red flag.
I feel like kitty cared about her sons but was afraid of Jose, I’m not sure just doesn’t seem like kitty suddenly lost interest especially when she showed up for all the games, doesn’t sound like a mother who just ignores her kids
@@autumnramos5011 true I more so ment she ignored the abuse I didn’t clarify enough that was my bad lol
@@autumnramos5011 Their mother was horrible to them too. She constantly physical and mentally abuse them also. You can see it in the trial, Erik and Lyle explain it too.
@@ClaudiaGonzalez-iz8yr oh yeah I get that I just don’t think kitty was naturally abusive towards the boys I honestly think and this is just me she was abused too mainly because abuse victims will retaliate on their own so that they don’t get abused 😕 Jose sounds like the type to beat his wives not just his sons that’s what I’m saying
@@ClaudiaGonzalez-iz8yr I’ve watched the trail clearly you guys don’t understand what I’m saying because I shouldn’t have to repeat myself
The fact that both were involved makes it seem more likely that they were experiencing a troubled family life, to what extent would be the real question. It seem less likely that two brothers would agree to do something so horrendous for money, which they had for the most part and that they would both have psychopathic tendencies. I also feel like them remaining so close over the years tells of the hell they may have gone through, that they were bonded together by the traumatic childhood they lived. I would think if it was just over money whichever brother may have pushed to do it, the other brother might eventually have resentment towards because he would feel it was his brothers fault that he is in the situation he's in now and spending life in prison. But who knows??
Back when this happened, I have no memory of abuse allegations. Now I was very busy with my babies at that time. But the media used its considerable influence to frame the boys as psychopaths. I always seem to end up on the fence about things I don’t directly experience. But the last few years of outings of p e don behavior in Hollywood, and government I can’t dismiss anything.
the fact that the family even believes the brothers makes me believe they had reason to believe they were abused and this makes me so mad.
Some of their cousins actually seen Jose first hand grab the boys and take them to a room and when they were in there nobody was allowed down the hall
Damm sis you mention believe 3xs in same sentence 🤣
Dam sis you mention believe 3xs in same sentence 🤣🤣🤣
@@suelingarcia2231 sorry 😶
they were nit abused! this isnt abuse bro....they shouldnt have killed them
the hair loss (most likely a result of traumatic alopecia) and bed wetting were clear signs that they were absolutely being abused. the fact that they weren't allowed to talk about the abuse at the second trial is sickening - it's such a big part of the case, why was it just being looked over? murder might not have been the right thing to do, but life is prison was extremely too harsh.
exactly i agree with you 100%, the justice system is so messed up
So many people seem to have anecdotal stories about 10yrold + bedwetters that come from "absolutely healthy homes without abuse" but, I feel that the more we learn about the true purpose and importance of sleep the more people will have to examine these "idyllic" upbringings. Sleep rinses out the trash, repeats important physical activity and memories and heals or hides all the injury it can. Just because a child isn't being hit doesn't mean they aren't being harmed.
@@maebandy yea I was a bed wetter to about 11 and wasn’t abused but witness a lot of domestic violence (father almost dying) that lead me to continue wetting the bed. My youngest sister in law stopped wetting the bed at 3 and picked it up again at age 5/6 when my parents in law divorced. Doesn’t always have to be abuse but it’s can DEFINITELY be a sign of trauma.
@@user-in8zu1tx9z and because so many parents and people refuse to investigate or acknowledge the root causes, the bedwetting itself becomes a source of further shame and trauma. Not mine though, my mom made it very clear mine was from laziness. My "laziness" didn't get cured until after I moved in with my best friend's parents in highschool.
A friendly reminder, they told about the abuse and bed wetting after they were consulted with their defense team. Many people use this as a defense line. This doesn’t make this true and it doesn’t excuse anyone from murder. Y’all should touch some grass.
Thank you for thorough research, and covering the story with details, I came to you whenever I want to know the story properly and you never let me down
I can't believe the people mocked them.Can they not hear and see the trauma in their voice?Why would anyone make this up and "act" so well? They're clearly in trauma!It breaks my heart of how bad society is.The people mocking them and they're parents abusing them for all those years,just horrible.
Y’all they called it sex because Erik would start freaking out when they used the word rape. It was for his sake
Oh :(
That just broke my heart even more
That’s so sad.
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That in itself screams volumes. How come no one noticed that during the trial? It’s terrible what these guys have been through and the system failed them!
The fact that their cousin testified that one of them confessed to her that he was being abused back when they were still kids makes me believe it. Do I think it was self defense? No. I think it was revenge.
It was IMPERFECT self defense. They had a genuine fear for their lives but they weren’t actually in danger at the time. They just thought they were which they had a perfectly good reason to believe since they had threatened to expose Jose to the world ab the sick things he had been doing to his son for 12 years. U speak as if they killed their parents because they were being abused which is NOT true. They killed them because they were in fear for their lives.
It reeks of revenge killing to me too. Even if the abuse is true, it doesn't just mean we can just go around murdering people. People are comparing this to the Gypsy Rose case, and the two are nothing alike. We have proof of her mother's abuse and evidence that she physically could not get away from her mother, as well as her mother's actions physically putting her in danger on a continuous basis. Nothing about this reads like they were doing this in self defense. They were grown and I'm not even sure if they were living in the house.
@@mickeymouse12678 ??? there was no evidence? was the 50+ witnesses that testified saying they heard and saw abuse not enough for you? it’s one thing to say u were abused and it’s an entirely different thing to present naked photographs taken by your father, have family members, tennis coaches, teachers and others testify on ur behalf. The new evidence of the letter erik wrote to his cousin andy proves the abuse as well. No one is excusing what they did. They deserved jail time for MANSLAUGHTER not murder.
@@marina-oe8ls Maybe I missed it, but none of that seemed to be mentioned in the video.
It still doesn't change my opinion of it as being something other than a revenge killing. Maybe for Eric it was self defense considering his abuse seemed to be ongoing. But Lyle seemed to be out of the house and on his own as an adult based on what it sounds like (while still receiving his parents' money but still). There is absolutely no way you can pin Lyle's actions as self defense.
@@mickeymouse12678 Absolutely agree with you. Lyle was not even living in the house anymore and he was receiving all the money that he needed and more. At that point there was no component of self defense to any of his actions.
I had to stop listening at the four minute 4:09 bc kitty did NOT want to be a mom. She wanted to be a server in New York. But the husband forced her to keep the baby and to become a stay at home mom and to move with him.
If she can’t get that correct … that sets up how the children would be treated they were not kind loving parents
As the youngest child the pressure is actually on me. Every family is different due to so many different factors. I'm now seen as "the last hope" bc I'm further in life than my siblings at this age 🥴
I was too and they wanted me to go to college and I had scholarships but I ended up just not going because I just felt literally burnt out abd I can always choose to go later on but I don't think it's for me and I already have horrible social anxiety when it comes to school settings
It amazes me that someone like Casey Anthony is walking freely but yet these men get life in prison with NO chance of parole....
Yeah cuz there Latinos and Casey is white! White privileged
@@Diamond92189 I agree with that 100%!
@@Diamond92189 Latino is not a race. There are white Latinos, black Latinos etc. Please don't be ignorant.
They're father appears to be a white Latino, or mostly white, and their mother is obviously white so that makes them white as well.
@@Diamond92189 Actually they're still white. Casey Anthony was acquitted because of her great lawyer and horrible jury selection.
I don’t care what their race is I don’t believe their innocent. I do think they had shitty parents a father who emotionally abused his kids with unrealistically high standards, being emotionally cold to them and enabling their bad behavior by paying people to keep quite about their crimes or keep their jobs and a mother who sat by and let it happen but I don’t think this justified murder especially when there are people out there with far worse parents who didn’t turn to murder.
If they were sexually abused why didn’t they ever bring this up? They never told police and they even had a councilor who one of the brothers even confessed the murder to and still failed to mention being sexually abused. This “sexual abuse” didn’t get brought up until the two brothers realized they had a chance of going to prison and either getting the death penalty or spending life in prison seems very convenient to me like their lying (which they had a habit of doing by the way) to gain sympathy & get a lesser sentence or absolved of their crime. If the family members thought they were being abused why didn’t they ever do anything about it or bring it up?
These two belong in prison for life in my opinion as for these two being any worse or better than Casey Anthony I don’t know but I agree that Casey Anthony should also be rotting in prison for the rest of her life.
I also think the way they killed them says a lot, if they really had planned it out and just wanted to kill them for money surely they would have only shot them each once maybe twice to be sure but the fact they shot them so many times to me, shows the frustration and anger they were getting out on them. You don't shoot someone THAT MANY times unless you really hate them and are genuinely traumatised from abuse.
I thought the same thing, if their motive was money then they would've done it cleanly and properly staged the scene
good point
also, surely they would have waited to be able to get a handgun with a silencer or whatever rather than shotguns? the fact they didnt want to wait for the store to have handguns shows they felt like their lives were in immediate danger tbh
these are all good points - plus their recollections of the abuse (instead of the crocodile tears of Jodi Arias for example) tell me their father was guilty and mom wasn't much better by protecting his actions.
@@haintedhouse2990 oh yes 100%. Their reactions to some questions were so so upsetting to watch. I watch a body language channel and he says when you feel emotional when someone else cries it tends to mean its a genuine emotion. So i do 100% believe their parents did abuse them & they should serve time but i think its time they were free. Such a sad case
My mom and boyfriend were talking about this case yesterday. I’ve never heard of it. Happy I stumbled across this.
I totally believe they were honest about the abuse, including se*ual. It's not possible he was horrible to work for, but was good at home? It doesn't work like this.
If they were lying about the abuse then they each deserve an Emmy. Of course they were abused. It was a crime of passion. I don’t believe they would be a danger to society if free. They probably deserve prison time for committing murder but they don’t deserve life in prison. I’ve personally seen parents that beat their child to death get 10-15 years. The abuse should have been taken into consideration for sentencing. Unfortunately, I believe the abuse wasn’t enough to get a lesser sentence because they were rich and considered privileged.
Yeah, a lot of people tend to believe that rich=happy. They were born in a rich family, they HAVE to be happy, there's no possible way they were abused, or stressed or nothing bad could have happened to them
Mmm 😏😏😆😏
There is also a continued belief that boys/men cannot be raped and in the 1980s and 1990s, that idea was more prevalent so people were probably way less likely to take it seriously
oh like the emmy for their 911 call ?
They probably think they are faking due to the fact that Eric was an actor but I definitely don’t believe they were acting, and I agree I think it was a one time thing and they wouldn’t be a danger
i think the fact that their entire family still supports them to this day, including their fathers own mother, is very telling. i pray for these boys, it made me so happy when i found out they are now at least able to be together now. no one deserves what they went through
Their father’s mother, Maria Carlota Llanio Navarro Menendez, Died March 5, 2009. I looked for a place to verify that she supported Lyle and Erik but I am not finding it. Can you supply your source?
They still killed their parents they were old enough to leave and not talk to their parents. They deserve to be in jail as they killed their own parents
@@joselynmayer6994 their father problably didnt let them leave. plus he had all the money,and they had no jobs
@@summer0439 they would go to school and to tennis etc they were aloud to leave and do things
I feel like abuse is passed through generation if not treated properly. The grandmother probably knew Jose was also abused somehow to the point he became that nasty human being
This has got to be one of my favorite cases you’ve covered
Just heartbreaking what those brothers went through!! Gypsy rose got to walk free why can’t these? But then they have a better life in jail than they ever did with their parents
She didn’t actually kill her mom, she made someone else do it for her, that’s why ig
I don't agree that spending isn't a way to grieve. Shopping and over spending can be a symptom of depression or other mental illness.
Shopping addiction is an actual thing, like alcoholism.
@@nomousecat yes! And I am bipolar and excessive shopping is an issue while I'm manic.
Yeah I agree that didn’t seem very off to me. I know when I’m depressed I end up doing a lot of online shopping to make me feel better. Having something new provides a bit of temporary happiness so I could see people buying a lot after the death of a parent.
Agree
Exactly. Shopping addictions & hoarding are often to fill a void after emotional trauma.
this case sickened me, my heart dropped when i heard Lesley said "Eric told me, i felt like i made a huge mistake and i asked him. what mistake eric? and he said to me, i should've killed myself not my parents." when i tell you i sobbed.
i feel so bad for them
wait he said that :( this case genuinely breaks my heart, the boys didn't deserve this
@@antheaislam3283 yes he said that they feel horrible for doing it still till this dag thanks for speaking on About my family's case
@@kyratetteroo1959 yeah i’m doing an extended project qualification to raise awareness for cases like this, people need to know x
@@antheaislam3283 wait that's so Nice of you we really appreciate it
I’ve always watched your videos on Facebook but oh my god. That little baby sleeping in the back how have I never noticed 😫😍 he is SO adorable
One thing I really hate is when a parent or parents have way to high of expectations and want them to be perfect and have no imperfections and putting a lot of pressure on there own kids…. Bcuz for one if someone has that much pressure pushed upon them it can cause mistakes and ruin there mental health… and another thing is, mistakes and messing up in certain things in life is key, you can’t really learn if you don’t make mistakes, making mistakes really helps alot in the learning process 100%! But that’s just my opinion 💯💯
Yes, but that didn’t give them the right to murder controlling parents. I had very overprotective parents and I just moved away. SO simple, no need for any elaborate rape accusations necessary.
They look content in their mugshots, I'm pretty sure that even in prison they have a better life than when they were growing up at home, which says so much.
When they were united after years, they just hugged each other in silence. They lost someone who always got their back, their backbone and hearing about them being together again is heartwarming. They did wrong thing murdering their parents but at least they are now back together
Eric did a documentary that is on HULU? He said when he first got to jail the first thing he felt was safe. Heartbreaking
Yes, one of them said being in jail was the most free he’s ever felt. Crazy
YES, you're so right. and that's so sad. i hope the case is gonna be reopened, and they are gonna live free. but i don't know. this case is so horrible, i feel so sad for them
The history of abuse ought to have mitigated the sentence eg 25 to life with the possibility of parole.
And it was not fair that the abuse was largely omitted from the second trial. How is that justice?
Didn’t want people to know he was Hispanic? That’s like someone named Svetlana Glushakova saying they didn’t want people to know that they’re Russian 🤦♀️
Shameless 😉
y'all are so funny 😭 i think he meant he didn't want people to know he was Cuban.
@@chasired1510 Svetlana is my queen
Hahahah stooop funny how you’ve came up with 100% correct Russian name😅
Ahhh I love shameless and I love Svetlana.
Although I believe they were abused, and went through very traumatic experiences… that does not justify a murder, a planned murder. I do not believe they deserve life in prison by any means. At this point they did the time they deserved for the murder and should be able to live a free life.
They should be punished, but, with this sick crap, there should’ve been possibility of parole
See this is what I think.
they comitted murder, probably they deserved to be in prision a little but life sentence without the possibility of parole? please there was evidence of child pornography taken by jose, kitty's notes, the signs of sexual abuse they had, there were witnesses, even their own testimonies, also the way they killed them, it shows all the resentment and fear they felt for them, I don't think if it was for the money they would have done it that way...just set them free already
FR.
The sad part is, at this point they will probably fare better in prison. They went into prison practically as boys. We all know the prison system is not set up for rehabilitation and after decades of being institutionalized, and never actually really knowing "adulthood" outside of prison walls, they would have an insane amount of difficulties trying to adjust to being free. It's a shame that those poor boys had to endure such trauma. Their whole lives were stolen from them.
@@jessicadement1722 so true :(
FREE THEM BOYS
I mean, I find it interesting that gen Z’s are on their side, at the time when this was all over the news during those few months, no one supported them except their legal team and those few family members, like the grandmother who still thought a mob or mafia did it after even the proof from the therapy Dr. which makes me go on to believe, the grandmother was just in denial, even after proof presented to her. And she was their primary supporter in the family. Not to mention these boys lied so well, that the officers didn’t test them for gunshot residue when they showed up to the crime scene, they acted it out so well, the officers felt bad for them and actually thought it was a mob. If their that good at lying, goes to show how they could have easily manipulated everyone and made this story up incase they got caught. Which is why they’re ere charged guilty, they lied so many times even in court that those accusations they made were very hard to believe. Sure, I believe there’s truth to what they said, considering their own cousin proved it right. But still, they would have had a much better chance if they didn’t go full pathological liars, or even start spending money right after the funeral. Those are all major red flags. So I can understand why the jury took 1 month to decide, takes most jury’s a few hours in most cases, but this was more complex. And then getting married to different women in jail? Seems fishy, are they sure those women just weren’t after their money which they never got to fully spend? I mean, what better place to find a shugar dad, then in jail, while they are locked away for life, while you spend their money and do your own thing on the outside.
If one looks deeper into this case, they will find that the father had a history of abusing boys and young men within the music business. Great presentation!!! Well done!!!
What? I’ve never heard this and I was around for trial 1.0; any links to reputable sources?
That was said but never proven .
@@arnettrabaker4872 Right!? I've gone down the rabbit hole, yet I've never heard of those allegations. I'd like to see some reputable sources. I wouldn't put it past him though.
@@destineeherrera Hard to prove.
I usually don't have an issue deciding either way on cases but with this one, I'm legitimately 50/50. This is a seriously tough one.
How upsetting… being an adult and now hearing that SA was happening makes me feel like they felt that there was no out and they had to take things into their own hands…. The brothers are the victims… even after what they did if you ask me.
Guilty of murder: yes, that’s obvious
Victims of abuse: I think also yes. You can see it in their body language.
With that being said, I think the life sentence was way too harsh.
Murder moment
Way to harsh for killing their parents ??????? Lmfao yea no absolutely not
@@jeng5911 I agree but I think way too harsh in the sense that they should’ve gotten some form of mental health help
@@jeng5911 They killed the ones who made them like that. Their "parents" got what they deserved. They raised kids who would have gone to society and fuck up innocents. So they all made society a favor. 2 dead and 2 and jail.
@@Ishizu09 What?? The parents didn't deserve to die. You're a psychopath
My mother is abusive and this trial really spooked her out. She started going around town telling everyone she was afraid that I would kill her... but nobody ever questioned why she thought that. It really was a different time where parental abuse was a "family problem" that others didn't involve themselves in.
Wtf? That’s just causing more problems
that's crazy, I hope you're safe and okay now
@@XoZari yes, thank you. I went no-contact with both my parents some time ago. What she did to me in the 90s will always be with me, but over time I'm recovering and learning what healthy relationships actually look like.
This is my mom!! She watches documentaries like this where kids murder their parents due to their toxic, strict and abusive behaviors. And my mother is all three ... I told her why do you think like that ? The most I’ll do is rebel.
@@constancestrawn1303 Good to know you’re safe now! Stay strong please
Where did you obtain the details about Kitty trying to run out of the room?
I watched the trial and have heard every version of this story. and every last one say the mom, Kitty, never wanted kids and absolutely hated them. she wasn't happy nor excited to be a mom
I believe they were abused and they’ve done their time. They need to be released.
Ya me too !
BS
I think they should be hospitalized instead of released, they were traumatized and need help. But yeah, I don't think they needed to be sent to prison.
This. They needed to go to jail because they did murder people, but not for life because they did have a reason.
@@becca53444 they did teir time ! U should check how much an inmate cost to the system