Voddie Baucam was a guest on Douglas Wilson's Man Ramapant last year to talk about the topic of Christian Nationalism. Doug asks Voddie: Are You A Christian Nationalist?
It's unique, that these two men, who have stood by their convictions on patriarchy, christian nationalism, and not wearing the yoke of the woke have beared the most lasting fruit of the men who had ministries from when I first converted 15 years ago (Driscoll, Chandler, Keller, ect.) I think that speaks for itself with whom the Lord is being preached faithfully.
What are some of the commenters thoughts on heathen Nationalism? Seems like we should be more worried about them than Christians. It will be their laws and policies we will be forced to keep. This phrase Christian Nationalism is just another phoney phrase to shame people into not participating in their own Nations politics. Just another label to manipulate people like Islamaphobe or homophobe. It's coming from Marxists and when people use the pulpit to shame Christians what they really are is obvious. The word Snakes comes easily to mind.
@@Tracy-Inches I'm sure he's breathing the same air as other humans. But the breath of fresh air is a saying, not to be taken literally. To Lord Jesus be the glory.
Yes they have the wisdom and rationale to say, “ infants are objects of Gods wrath”…yes that kind of breath coming out their mouth is probably the most vile and stinky
@@hewhohasearstohearlethimhe4284 a short youtube comment is the perfect means to damn my soul, thanks! If you really believe this, why not provide some Biblical basis?
I'm a true immigrant (unfortunately I need to explain I'm a legal immigrant) and I can attest that America IS NOT racist. From my point of view, God loves America so much that he currently gave many true preachers like Voddie, McCarthur, Piper, Paul Washer, etc....
Yes, America is so racist that 10s of millions risk their lives to get here. Koreans, India(ans), and Chinese kick butt in jobs and education. They didn't hear they were victims. All the while dems are destroying the American Dream.
Saying that "America" is or is not racist does not mean much because "America" is not a single entity with one mind and one worldview. A better inquiry would be to find out if racism, overt or not, still exists in America. The answer to this question could easily be found in the comment section of articles in Foxnews, Newsmax, or Breitbart about one or more black people. Evidence of racism can also be equally easily found in social media groups like those affiliated with the Nation of Islam which shows that all races can be guilty of racism. This does not mean that all or even most Americans are racist but racism is still a reality in this country. Not talking about racism to combat it is as effective as not talking about sin to overcome it (racism is a form of sin after all). One should avoid the extremes of not seeing racism or seeing it everywhere. The Bible with its concept of all men made in the image of God gives us the moral foundation to overcome racism or not engage in it because racism is a direct denial of God's image in man.
A blessing to see brothers sit down and talk together instead of taking cheap shots by way of twitter of other social media platforms. Thanks for sharing.
@@wills9392 Nah, like the dudes who weren't apostles trying to cast out demons. "We know of them, but who are thee?" WWWWWOOOOOOOOPSSSS Better yeet on outta there
A Marxist ideal lived out of “free sex” was a very important point that Doug highlighted. How you get a Viking/Motorcycle Gang type of society versus men submitted to the sexual cycle of females and producing a healthy society 👌🏻👏🏻
I like the point about doing what pleases God or not. Do we want to do what pleases God as a nation or not ? That question perfectly frames the debate, and of course I say we should have laws that pleases God as a nation.
Thank you so much for interviewing Dr Baucham. I am incredibly thankful, fortunate, and blessed to have found his videos and interviews as His G-dly wisdom has brought me closer and deeper to our L-rd and Savior, and The Messiah, Yeshua. Regarding the state of the nation, I couldn't agree more with Dr Baucham's perspective that local community and governance come first. This is not to discount or understate the importance of federal elections, as they are so very important. But over the course of the 21st Century, I've seen how powerful and influential local elections are to citizens' day-to-day lives as the American culture and society have fractured across pronounced ideological lines. I also believe that the fabric of the nation started fraying in the 1960s and is now irreparably torn into pieces, which speaks to the importance of local community and governance. Also, the question regarding predestination (elect) salvation as it relates to abortion was an interesting one. As I thought about it, it raised other questions like, "When does one become responsible/accountable for their salvation?" and "Does predestination (elect) absolve the individual from their responsibility and accountability to ask, seek, and knock (Matthew 7:7-11)?". That led me to wonder if one's salvation and responsibility/accountability are based on age, physical/mental ability to communicate, or being introduced to God's Word, etc? Is a child who dies from abortion, or was not old enough to communicate and understand, or someone who was born with a physical/mental disability, or someone who lived on a remote Pacific island and never came into contact with G-d's Word covered by His grace and mercy? In the end, I guess that all I can do is search His Word for His wisdom, which led me to Romans 10, Romans 8, and 2 Samuel 12 (although I'm sure there are other applicable and helpful verses). Based on what I read, one's ability to hear, see, comprehend, understand, and accept or reject His Word is central to the discussion, and I presume that those who are unable to are saved by G-d's grace and mercy and are therefore predestined (elect). Finally, with the question about living in Christ in a technologically evolving world, there is only one book that you need to learn, discern, instruct, rebuke, etc and that's G-d's Word (2 Timothy 3:16). It is timeless and eternal (Psalm 119:89 & 160) and there is nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes 1:9). Fundamentally, I don't see any difference between the world that Apostel Paul wrote about in the First Century and today - Adam and Eve's nature is alive and well and is still in conflict with G-d's nature. In fact, the church is in the same, if not a worse, state than the one that Paul wrote about in 1 Corinthians 5, and just like the church at Corinth, churches in America and across the world have invited in and embraced the culture so much so that a growing number are indistinguishable from the pagans. Foundationally, I would say that Christian's biggest vulnerability or challenge to living in Christ in this world isn't technology, the internet, mainstream media, or the devil. Our biggest and most glaring vulnerability is our abject ignorance of His Word and our failure to apply His Word to our lives every day, in every moment, and in every thought and action. Along with that is our failure to put on and live in the armor of G-d (Ephesians 6:10-18) and not take it off. That vulnerability creates our challenges and leads to sin. There's no doubt that wise men of G-d like Dr Baucham, Mr Wilson, and many others have wisdom and teaching that will be of great benefit to all Christians in their walk in Christ and that they absolutely answer Yeshua's call to feed His sheep (John 21:17). But, it does not replace G-d's Word and knowing His Word. Just like technology, the internet, and the mainstream media can be sources that ultimately attack, confuse, and deceive a Christian in their walk, technology and accessibility to other Christians views and opinions (no matter how G-dly they are) can very easily supplant and replace time spent in G-d's Word. At the end of the day, one's life and journey in Christ is a personal relationship and, just like every other relationship, the only way you get to know Him is to spend time with Him and He lives through His Word - not through someone else's word about Him - which is why immersing yourself in and meditating on His Word is foundational. Lastly, an equally important part is communing with Him every day through individual prayer in private (Luke 6 & 11). (Edited) I wanted to add a YT video from the channel "John MacArthur Sermon 2024" titled "Overcome difficulties and hardships to be with God - John Macarthur Sermon 2024" as it speaks to the topic. Thank you again for hosting and sharing your interview with Dr Baucham. Numbers 6:24-26 and Shalom Shalom.
That last question has been on my mind since 2020. So thank you for your clarifying answer. 1. Preach agains tyranny 2. Flee from tyrannical Governments 3. Defend your constitutional heritage at the perimeter. Do not revolt or fight to overthrow a government. Revolution is never acceptable for a Christian. Us Americans have a Legal System we must utilize and engage. Now the next question: Should Christians be welcoming of people fleeing tyrannical governments? I.e. China. I’m conflicted as a Christian who is called to accept the Stranger in and has Chinese Nationals that are happy to be in the US. And seeing our souther border collapse in front of our very eyes. Someone please help! 😅
I really wish...that your content was two decibels louder. I often listen with earbuds at work where it's very loud and I only catch about 50% of what's being said, so even though this is totally my problem, if you could please just crank it up a notch just for me that would be great, thank you!
59:44 books mentioned 1. Idols for Destruction: The Conflict of Christian Faith and American Culture by Herbert Schlossberg 2. The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self: Cultural Amnesia, Expressive Individualism, and the Road to Sexual Revolution by Carl R. Trueman 3. We Become What We Worship: A Biblical Theology of Idolatry by G. K. Beale 4. The Quest for Cosmic Justice by Thomas Sowell 5. The Vision of the Anointed: Self-Congratulation as a Basis for Social Policy by Thomas Sowell 6. Fault Lines by Voddie Baucham
“Where is this other place you are trying to emulate?”……. GREAT QUESTION! Where is the other nation you perceive as so much better, America? Which one is it exactly?
@@jakebredthauer5100 not disagreeing. Nobody wants the America of today. Leftists want their utopia, elitist establishment want China-esque. The rest of us, a previous version of America, like 125yrs ago (for me).
I struggled with visual.. literally, started looking up what Calvinist believe to justify the whiskey.. live in metro area of Portland Oregon. I from Boise Idaho…. So yeah get extremes . This visual broke my heart. My pastor here in Portland area is a good pastor.. and he had warned us as flock living in Portland where addiction issues are huge…. He has policy no drinking for staff.. he said “ how would you feel if you called me up and were struggling with a spouse or child that was addicted and I met you at door with cocktail in my hand?” Your job as pastors is to protect the sheep.. please keep that in focus..
@@virginiaweir-hj1rtwell it says don’t be drunk - be sober minded (many aspects). So if anything affects your thinking you are drunk. More than a few sips of wine or maybe one sip of liquor. Today alcohol mix drinks are much stronger than in the time of scripture being written. So yeah really should avoid for most part and entirely can’t hurt.
@@virginiaweir-hj1rt Don’t do good things that look bad nor bad things that look good We should not be a stumbling block to brethren even if what we do is not forbidden
LOVE trumps LIBERTY. That’s the easiest way to say what the Bible teaches about being a stumbling block to others with our choices. It’s one thing to have a drink, it’s a completely different thing to flaunt this liberty for thousands to see. Romans 14:15.
Doug is free to drink alcohol, including hard liquor. However, I question his judgment and wisdom to publicly consume hard liquor in front of an unknown and mixed public audience during a discussion on Biblical values vs worldly values. What was the purpose of that and how does he think that makes him more manly? I noticed Voddie didn’t touch his glass.
@@raskolnikov6443 Follow me. If he thinks that by publicly drinking hard liquor is a sign of his masculinity, then the reasoning would follow if he does not drink hard liquor publicly, he is displaying or possessing less masculinity. I don't know any public conservative Christian leader that would drink alcohol, let alone hard liquor publicly or on a video posted to CZcams for millions around the world to see. Maybe you can respond to that point since that is the more serious concern, his poor judgment.
- Does Baucham have a dedicated channel or podcast? I've looked for a place to listen to his collected sermons, or something like that, but I've just had to hunt and find one here and one there.
Romans 13:1-7 is Paul telling Christians to obey the government. Verses 8-10 describes what laws governments should create and enforce. The last 6 of the Ten Commandments are the “love does no harm to a neighbor” laws. The first 4 of the Ten Commandments deal with love and worship of God, and they are conspicuously absent here. This is critical when considering the relationship between religion and government. Getting between humans and God is a bad place to be when God’s judgment is carried out.
The majority of paedobaptists don’t believe Wilson is “confessionally reformed” since he supports Federal Vision theology which has been ruled heresy by multiple conservative Presbyterian denominations. And his paedocommunion advocacy further puts him outside the bounds of the historic reformed confessions.
At 20:23, Doug Wilson says that government decisions will either please God or not please God, but there is nothing that the unsaved can do to please God. It is only the saved that can please God.
I have my volume at max and I'm in a quiet room and yet I struggle to hear the dialogue. It isn't my ears. Could someone at Canon Press check the audio settings and repost? I'd rather have to turn down the volume than have to read the closed caption.
@@daniel.s8126 Thanks, but I would not have made the comment if it was fine on my side. The audio can easily be boosted in the software the video was created in. Daniel, are you in charge of the production or just a random commenter trolling the comments?
Could anyone recommend some strong drinks of choice for a Christian man? Never had experience with alcohol before but I feel the Lord moves me in that direction after watching Doug Wilson. I hope it will give me more wisdom and sophistication. Thanks.
@@charliehustlbeats7361 Oh, brother, Baptist Voodie dropped his guard. Your got to watch those Presbyterians. They will get you drunk and baptize your babies. LOL.
Reformed Baptist here, Crown royal salted caramel is great start. Mix half an ounce with coke, sprite, or ginger ale. Its time Christians reclaim the art of Drinking to the Glory of God
Time come here in front! Remind! Unto many Who am I? These principalities who deceiveth sitting in high places don't belongs sitting! Extinct already in front!
Why do we Christian always have to compare with ungodly people to set a standard? This is more like advocating for a political gain. Let’s make all nations Christian and problem solved. The church should just continue preaching the gospel and don’t worry about what the nations do.
@@nicholasgeisler1290 absolutely not saying not to preach the gospel to all nations but nowadays we Christians feel that we need to hear that certain nation is now a Christian nation. That’s my argument. And again, real Christians shouldn’t be taking the position that having politicians calling themselves Christians will solve everything and unfortunately the more we keep playing politics in the church, the more we’re losing. Jesus will not lose but our job as the scripture says, we’re not doing it.
The church should be the conscience of the government. We are to occupy until he comes. It’s harmful to allow evil people to run amuck in government or anywhere else. You’re harming your neighbors by abdicating your responsibility to participate in all levels of society and point to Jesus. Yes, share the gospel. We can walk and chew gum.
Couldn’t help but notice that Doug failed to appeal to the Bible when answering that lady’s question on sexual ethics! We can appeal to the moral law written on the conscience because that is what makes us human and in gods image,
I think you can be a cultural Christian ie want to live in a place founded on Christian principles but salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ through grace and Christianity can only be spread by evangelism, not by force of law or military.
Founders ministries has a good video on this topic recently and while your first half is correct the second is not. A good example is that of the godly kings of Judah who forcefully tore down the asherah, the high places, unalived those who worshiped there. A "strong" man approach works to reset culture to a godly one. The relationship with Christ is individual, but the framework for that to happen and perpetuate can be external through a strong man approach. Works in reverse too, and our enemy uses it well.
@@user-uo8kb5rv7n Ah yes the disingenuous strawman. Whenever I see someone write about an individual relationship with Christ, my first thought is...still holds to the old covenant . Lol.
@@EverEverOn you literally just used the Old Covenant. There is no "strong man approach", and Christian nationalism, if it wasn't obvious enough, but take a closer look at the word itself and Christian theology. It's the antichrist system. It's no surprise, though. Having dipped my feet in both, I can tell you that we have some REALLY BAD ACTORS (both in its actual meaning and as well as literal bad actors cause this whole ruse is obvious to me now) on the Orthodox Christian side of CZcams and abroad pushing for the exact same thing. It's not a coincidence at all. I'm starting to think, as a Slav myself, that at the very least, Russian slavs are the Tribe of Dan from which the antichrist will come. I'm sure most people know that theory by now, having to do with the Danube, D(a)nieper etc. I haven't actually studied the etymology of either name and realize this honestly will remain a shot in the dark until whenever it is that we will know who the tribes are, but I am basing my hunch on vastly different reasons. So, anything else just adds. No country is Christian and you can bet your bottom dollar that not a single one truly will be, let alone multiple ones, in the likened days of Noah and actually far worse. As it is written that it will be worse and that the Earth will not have seen that amount evil in its entire existence, and never shall it be again when the New Earth and New Jerusalem are created. Entropy is as scientific a term as it is biblical. There will be no revival. There will be a great falling away. There will be no "we have to get organized because stupid is unsustainable" as Wilson said in this. Unsustainable? Lucky... I don't know what world or Gospel you are in, but when the eschaton describes an Earth that is worse than the days of Noah and we are trying to stop it with "Christian Nationalism" are we not fighting against prophecy? Are we not doing what Peter did when Christ told him "Get behind me, Satan."? Oh Jesus No! We have to fix this up right away there's no way we can let the world go down to degeneracy and- ..... oh... wait. Oops.
It's unique, that these two men, who have stood by their convictions on patriarchy, christian nationalism, and not wearing the yoke of the woke have beared the most lasting fruit of the men who had ministries from when I first converted 15 years ago (Driscoll, Chandler, Keller, ect.) I think that speaks for itself with whom the Lord is being preached faithfully.
Good observation
I've thought about this for a while. Praying these brothers continue and finish strong!
Ole J Mac is at 55 years just saying and Dr Lawson is 40 plus
Agreed
What are some of the commenters thoughts on heathen Nationalism? Seems like we should be more worried about them than Christians. It will be their laws and policies we will be forced to keep. This phrase Christian Nationalism is just another phoney phrase to shame people into not participating in their own Nations politics. Just another label to manipulate people like Islamaphobe or homophobe. It's coming from Marxists and when people use the pulpit to shame Christians what they really are is obvious. The word Snakes comes easily to mind.
Two men, who are sane, talking with with Godly wisdom and rationale. What breath of fresh air in today’s world.
Not sure what air you are breathing otherwise, But a great breath of Yah’s blessing is over on channel “hanging on his words”
Yah bless
@@Tracy-Inches I'm sure he's breathing the same air as other humans. But the breath of fresh air is a saying, not to be taken literally. To Lord Jesus be the glory.
Yes they have the wisdom and rationale to say, “ infants are objects of Gods wrath”…yes that kind of breath coming out their mouth is probably the most vile and stinky
You are completely deceived. These two men are NOT Christians.
Two men who both deserve respect for their faithful service to Jesus.
Except Wilson is a false teacher. czcams.com/video/vVR01OudbDA/video.htmlsi=wXSPhZ9yEhmM5nwM
Curious that they can spend an hour talking about what Jesus wants yet never make any serious reference to His Word.
😢😢😮kids UK rcly hw 😢🎉
Only the Son? What about the Father?
Hypocrisy shouldn’t be celebrated or praised
God bless you, Voddie, from your ex-lesbian now Christian pal in the UK!
Why would a married man have a female pal?
When I see Doug Wilson and Voddie Baucham I click. Two of my favorite people, thanks for sharing 🤍
When you see these two fake christians, you should run the other way.
Amen. Same for James White; James, Doug Wilson, Joe Boote, and Voddie. Of course some others, but Amen!
Oh hey, i just looked at who it is.
This is ChîRhôpher Lazarus. How have You been, Sister?
Two Godly men being mightily used by the Lord. Excellent content!
These two are not Godly men. They are wolves in sheeps clothing and they have deceived you. Reent!
We need Voddie Baucham to come back and run for president
He would be treated worse than Clarence Thomas and who needs that? Plus I would miss his preaching.
So true!
President of Liberia
You must be joking.
Then we might lose a good pastor for a time.
Love these guys! Their work has blessed me greatly over the years.
Their work has only deceived you and led you into the lake of fire with them. Repent!
@@hewhohasearstohearlethimhe4284 a short youtube comment is the perfect means to damn my soul, thanks!
If you really believe this, why not provide some Biblical basis?
Thank You, Lord for giving us these two men for the benefit and blessing of Your Church. May You keep and preserve them for Your glory.
I haven't heard Voddie laugh so much in an interview as today! You can tell these brothers love each other's company!
I'm a true immigrant (unfortunately I need to explain I'm a legal immigrant) and I can attest that America IS NOT racist.
From my point of view, God loves America so much that he currently gave many true preachers like Voddie, McCarthur, Piper, Paul Washer, etc....
Chris Rosborough.
Yes, America is so racist that 10s of millions risk their lives to get here.
Koreans, India(ans), and Chinese kick butt in jobs and education.
They didn't hear they were victims.
All the while dems are destroying the American Dream.
Saying that "America" is or is not racist does not mean much because "America" is not a single entity with one mind and one worldview. A better inquiry would be to find out if racism, overt or not, still exists in America. The answer to this question could easily be found in the comment section of articles in Foxnews, Newsmax, or Breitbart about one or more black people. Evidence of racism can also be equally easily found in social media groups like those affiliated with the Nation of Islam which shows that all races can be guilty of racism. This does not mean that all or even most Americans are racist but racism is still a reality in this country. Not talking about racism to combat it is as effective as not talking about sin to overcome it (racism is a form of sin after all). One should avoid the extremes of not seeing racism or seeing it everywhere. The Bible with its concept of all men made in the image of God gives us the moral foundation to overcome racism or not engage in it because racism is a direct denial of God's image in man.
New laws are passed every month in the South that make it hard for black people to vote.
@@markb3786 When you consider that most of the v ot ing m ac hines are fr au dul ent, that is beyond crime....
Good stuff here men! Please keep advancing the Gospel!
A blessing to see brothers sit down and talk together instead of taking cheap shots by way of twitter of other social media platforms. Thanks for sharing.
Agreed
This is the best dialogue I have seen on this topic in a while. I think it’s hard to disagree with this if you call yourself a servant of Christ.
If these two men talk eschatology, then I’m done for!!!! Please consider.
Jesus Christ is Lord and God. Amen. Bless His Name.
Pastor thanks you all. For God glory my God Blessed You and continue to use you to preach and word of God
Great discussion
Awesome conversation!
Yes, a breath of fresh air. Truth is soothing to the soul, even though it sometimes stings a little initially.
Voddie is the best Christian apologist of our time. Praise God for his ministry!
@danielfunk7380
Then you must have never heard about Dr. James White. Voddie himself would tell you that dr. White is the best bar none.
So good. I need to take notes. Many great quotes
Hearing two Godly men have a conversation about the ridiculous culture we live in is a breath of fresh air. God bless you gentlemen
love both these guys!!
Jesus Christ is King!
Two of my favorites. I more closely align with Voddie on some things and Doug on others…but man I’m glad I have these two giants in my camp.
They both in trouble....
@@Xslavesetfreetrouble? like the kind the apostles got into?
@@wills9392 Nah, like the dudes who weren't apostles trying to cast out demons. "We know of them, but who are thee?" WWWWWOOOOOOOOPSSSS Better yeet on outta there
@@xBurzurkurxhmm interesting assessment…I might agree with you on that one!
Great chanel! GOD BLESS YOU!🙏
I look forward to watching this when I am able. Whoa, now that's what I call a crossover!
Whatever brand it is within Christendom…it’s beautiful
Really enjoyed this conversation
A Marxist ideal lived out of “free sex” was a very important point that Doug highlighted.
How you get a Viking/Motorcycle Gang type of society versus men submitted to the sexual cycle of females and producing a healthy society 👌🏻👏🏻
Excellent! Very informative!
I like the point about doing what pleases God or not. Do we want to do what pleases God as a nation or not ? That question perfectly frames the debate, and of course I say we should have laws that pleases God as a nation.
Really interesting !
Two of my favorite dude men on the planet. There's more gospel faithfulness in those 2 chairs than in a thousand pulpits.
Great interview
Thank you for sharing this. I’m reading through Jesus and the Powers which definitely recommends “just a seat at the table.”
The last question was the best one for that video to end on, especially with the resources they listed and with Voddie's last comments.
Let’s goooooo
Love these two Godly men ❤
I needed to hear this today, because I would have thought American was just void of God.. So glad to hear your perspective
I love Voddie and Doug
Thank you so much for interviewing Dr Baucham. I am incredibly thankful, fortunate, and blessed to have found his videos and interviews as His G-dly wisdom has brought me closer and deeper to our L-rd and Savior, and The Messiah, Yeshua.
Regarding the state of the nation, I couldn't agree more with Dr Baucham's perspective that local community and governance come first. This is not to discount or understate the importance of federal elections, as they are so very important. But over the course of the 21st Century, I've seen how powerful and influential local elections are to citizens' day-to-day lives as the American culture and society have fractured across pronounced ideological lines. I also believe that the fabric of the nation started fraying in the 1960s and is now irreparably torn into pieces, which speaks to the importance of local community and governance.
Also, the question regarding predestination (elect) salvation as it relates to abortion was an interesting one. As I thought about it, it raised other questions like, "When does one become responsible/accountable for their salvation?" and "Does predestination (elect) absolve the individual from their responsibility and accountability to ask, seek, and knock (Matthew 7:7-11)?".
That led me to wonder if one's salvation and responsibility/accountability are based on age, physical/mental ability to communicate, or being introduced to God's Word, etc? Is a child who dies from abortion, or was not old enough to communicate and understand, or someone who was born with a physical/mental disability, or someone who lived on a remote Pacific island and never came into contact with G-d's Word covered by His grace and mercy?
In the end, I guess that all I can do is search His Word for His wisdom, which led me to Romans 10, Romans 8, and 2 Samuel 12 (although I'm sure there are other applicable and helpful verses). Based on what I read, one's ability to hear, see, comprehend, understand, and accept or reject His Word is central to the discussion, and I presume that those who are unable to are saved by G-d's grace and mercy and are therefore predestined (elect).
Finally, with the question about living in Christ in a technologically evolving world, there is only one book that you need to learn, discern, instruct, rebuke, etc and that's G-d's Word (2 Timothy 3:16). It is timeless and eternal (Psalm 119:89 & 160) and there is nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes 1:9). Fundamentally, I don't see any difference between the world that Apostel Paul wrote about in the First Century and today - Adam and Eve's nature is alive and well and is still in conflict with G-d's nature. In fact, the church is in the same, if not a worse, state than the one that Paul wrote about in 1 Corinthians 5, and just like the church at Corinth, churches in America and across the world have invited in and embraced the culture so much so that a growing number are indistinguishable from the pagans.
Foundationally, I would say that Christian's biggest vulnerability or challenge to living in Christ in this world isn't technology, the internet, mainstream media, or the devil. Our biggest and most glaring vulnerability is our abject ignorance of His Word and our failure to apply His Word to our lives every day, in every moment, and in every thought and action. Along with that is our failure to put on and live in the armor of G-d (Ephesians 6:10-18) and not take it off. That vulnerability creates our challenges and leads to sin. There's no doubt that wise men of G-d like Dr Baucham, Mr Wilson, and many others have wisdom and teaching that will be of great benefit to all Christians in their walk in Christ and that they absolutely answer Yeshua's call to feed His sheep (John 21:17). But, it does not replace G-d's Word and knowing His Word.
Just like technology, the internet, and the mainstream media can be sources that ultimately attack, confuse, and deceive a Christian in their walk, technology and accessibility to other Christians views and opinions (no matter how G-dly they are) can very easily supplant and replace time spent in G-d's Word. At the end of the day, one's life and journey in Christ is a personal relationship and, just like every other relationship, the only way you get to know Him is to spend time with Him and He lives through His Word - not through someone else's word about Him - which is why immersing yourself in and meditating on His Word is foundational. Lastly, an equally important part is communing with Him every day through individual prayer in private (Luke 6 & 11).
(Edited) I wanted to add a YT video from the channel "John MacArthur Sermon 2024" titled "Overcome difficulties and hardships to be with God - John Macarthur Sermon 2024" as it speaks to the topic.
Thank you again for hosting and sharing your interview with Dr Baucham. Numbers 6:24-26 and Shalom Shalom.
Jesus said He would not lose any given to Him
That last question has been on my mind since 2020. So thank you for your clarifying answer.
1. Preach agains tyranny
2. Flee from tyrannical Governments
3. Defend your constitutional heritage at the perimeter.
Do not revolt or fight to overthrow a government.
Revolution is never acceptable for a Christian.
Us Americans have a Legal System we must utilize and engage.
Now the next question:
Should Christians be welcoming of people fleeing tyrannical governments? I.e. China.
I’m conflicted as a Christian who is called to accept the Stranger in and has Chinese Nationals that are happy to be in the US. And seeing our souther border collapse in front of our very eyes.
Someone please help! 😅
Reform NOT Revolt.
Never overthrow existing government
I feel like I’m in a room w a couple of my uncles having a great conversation and I’m just listening in..
I love Voddie Baucham!
25:24 wow! One of the most powerful points ever made 👏👏👏
I really wish...that your content was two decibels louder. I often listen with earbuds at work where it's very loud and I only catch about 50% of what's being said, so even though this is totally my problem, if you could please just crank it up a notch just for me that would be great, thank you!
Angels who persevere and heard the WORD and HOSTS shared "i" AM will say, unto all will draws this SWORD WILL PERISH BY THE SWORD!
59:44 books mentioned
1. Idols for Destruction: The Conflict of Christian Faith and American Culture by Herbert Schlossberg
2. The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self: Cultural Amnesia, Expressive Individualism, and the Road to Sexual Revolution by Carl R. Trueman
3. We Become What We Worship: A Biblical Theology of Idolatry by G. K. Beale
4. The Quest for Cosmic Justice by Thomas Sowell
5. The Vision of the Anointed: Self-Congratulation as a Basis for Social Policy by Thomas Sowell
6. Fault Lines by Voddie Baucham
I was about to start looking them up one at a time when I saw your comment. THANK YOU!!!
Happy Father’s Day 🎉
4:35 thank you.
Doug makes a great point about confessionalism
Great will be your reward in heaven!!
“Where is this other place you are trying to emulate?”……. GREAT QUESTION! Where is the other nation you perceive as so much better, America? Which one is it exactly?
China, officially atheist.
America 125 years ago.
@@EverEverOn
The revolutionaries want America to be one way and the counter-revolutionaries want America to be another way.
@@jakebredthauer5100 not disagreeing. Nobody wants the America of today. Leftists want their utopia, elitist establishment want China-esque. The rest of us, a previous version of America, like 125yrs ago (for me).
I struggled with visual.. literally, started looking up what Calvinist believe to justify the whiskey.. live in metro area of Portland Oregon. I from Boise Idaho…. So yeah get extremes . This visual broke my heart.
My pastor here in Portland area is a good pastor.. and he had warned us as flock living in Portland where addiction issues are huge…. He has policy no drinking for staff.. he said “ how would you feel if you called me up and were struggling with a spouse or child that was addicted and I met you at door with cocktail in my hand?”
Your job as pastors is to protect the sheep.. please keep that in focus..
Show me in the Bible where it says you shouldn't drink!
@@virginiaweir-hj1rtwell it says don’t be drunk - be sober minded (many aspects). So if anything affects your thinking you are drunk. More than a few sips of wine or maybe one sip of liquor. Today alcohol mix drinks are much stronger than in the time of scripture being written. So yeah really should avoid for most part and entirely can’t hurt.
@@virginiaweir-hj1rt Don’t do good things that look bad nor bad things that look good
We should not be a stumbling block to brethren even if what we do is not forbidden
Interesting you know How Doug and Voddie should lead their flocks.....
@@henrylopez7721 we do know - God said how in the Bible. Wow.
Bring all these principalities who deceiveth sitting in high places don't belongs sitting in front! Will CAST my righteous judgment and Justice!
We shouldn't wait for things to come crashing down to organize.
Reform not revolt!
Amen
LOVE trumps LIBERTY. That’s the easiest way to say what the Bible teaches about being a stumbling block to others with our choices.
It’s one thing to have a drink, it’s a completely different thing to flaunt this liberty for thousands to see. Romans 14:15.
Doug is free to drink alcohol, including hard liquor. However, I question his judgment and wisdom to publicly consume hard liquor in front of an unknown and mixed public audience during a discussion on Biblical values vs worldly values. What was the purpose of that and how does he think that makes him more manly? I noticed Voddie didn’t touch his glass.
More manly? What?
@@raskolnikov6443 Follow me. If he thinks that by publicly drinking hard liquor is a sign of his masculinity, then the reasoning would follow if he does not drink hard liquor publicly, he is displaying or possessing less masculinity. I don't know any public conservative Christian leader that would drink alcohol, let alone hard liquor publicly or on a video posted to CZcams for millions around the world to see. Maybe you can respond to that point since that is the more serious concern, his poor judgment.
I was wondering the same thing. Gives me pause.
can you not drink alcohol as a reformed baptist?
I was shocked to see that. Voddie likely wasn't expecting that, and no surprise he didn't indulge.
This is simply the social gospel from the conservative right.
This.
I keep saying it's the "other side of the coin" of the CRT "Christian" crowd.
- Does Baucham have a dedicated channel or podcast? I've looked for a place to listen to his collected sermons, or something like that, but I've just had to hunt and find one here and one there.
He doesn't. The man's extremely busy.
Grace Family Baptist Church is the channel name.
There are channels under his name but they are people impersonating him.
Sermon Audio and Canon Press.
@@PhilippiansThree7to9. That’s what I was going to say. I believe this was his church before he moved to Zambia. They have many sermons.
Lord rather not to stir THEE UP! For thy SWORD is put in its RIGHTFUL place!
Beloved unto all who hides. How's the weight ye all are carrying? Specially unto this generations have led astray my little Minds to torment!
Dang! I don't live far from Moscow. Of I knew this was happening I would have been there.
What does "confessional" mean? That can mean alot of things. Just curious to learn.
Romans 13:1-7 is Paul telling Christians to obey the government. Verses 8-10 describes what laws governments should create and enforce. The last 6 of the Ten Commandments are the “love does no harm to a neighbor” laws. The first 4 of the Ten Commandments deal with love and worship of God, and they are conspicuously absent here. This is critical when considering the relationship between religion and government. Getting between humans and God is a bad place to be when God’s judgment is carried out.
#AwakeNotWoke
And all of the paedobaptists cried in the beginning when their beloved Pastor Wilson affirmed reformed baptists in being “confessionally reformed.” 😊
😆👍👍
The majority of paedobaptists don’t believe Wilson is “confessionally reformed” since he supports Federal Vision theology which has been ruled heresy by multiple conservative Presbyterian denominations. And his paedocommunion advocacy further puts him outside the bounds of the historic reformed confessions.
At 20:23, Doug Wilson says that government decisions will either please God or not please God, but there is nothing that the unsaved can do to please God. It is only the saved that can please God.
Aren't both these guys Calvinists? Wouldn't that mean that all politics are determined by God?
Born again, Bible believing Christian here. Everything else revolves around that. I wear no other titles.
You have a drivers license? Social Security Number? Home Address?
I have my volume at max and I'm in a quiet room and yet I struggle to hear the dialogue. It isn't my ears. Could someone at Canon Press check the audio settings and repost? I'd rather have to turn down the volume than have to read the closed caption.
Audio’s fine
@@daniel.s8126 Thanks, but I would not have made the comment if it was fine on my side. The audio can easily be boosted in the software the video was created in. Daniel, are you in charge of the production or just a random commenter trolling the comments?
Could anyone recommend some strong drinks of choice for a Christian man? Never had experience with alcohol before but I feel the Lord moves me in that direction after watching Doug Wilson. I hope it will give me more wisdom and sophistication. Thanks.
😂
Doug getting lit in the interview lol
@@charliehustlbeats7361 Oh, brother, Baptist Voodie dropped his guard. Your got to watch those Presbyterians. They will get you drunk and baptize your babies. LOL.
Reformed Baptist here, Crown royal salted caramel is great start.
Mix half an ounce with coke, sprite, or ginger ale.
Its time Christians reclaim the art of Drinking to the Glory of God
@@SL-dq5bzwe drink and i dont baptise my baby thou.😅
The first advertisement I see? Barack asking for $ for Biden 😂 😅
I didn’t see any ads
I am.
Great conversation, but the real question is…what kind of whiskey (bourbon? Scotch? Ice tea?) are they drinking?
Henry McKenna bourbon
Time come here in front! Remind! Unto many Who am I? These principalities who deceiveth sitting in high places don't belongs sitting! Extinct already in front!
I would encourage anyone to read of listen to David Vandrunen
Why do we Christian always have to compare with ungodly people to set a standard? This is more like advocating for a political gain. Let’s make all nations Christian and problem solved. The church should just continue preaching the gospel and don’t worry about what the nations do.
Except God's word tells us otherwise. In the great commission Jesus tells us to "teach the nations to obey all that I ha e commanded."
@@nicholasgeisler1290 absolutely not saying not to preach the gospel to all nations but nowadays we Christians feel that we need to hear that certain nation is now a Christian nation. That’s my argument. And again, real Christians shouldn’t be taking the position that having politicians calling themselves Christians will solve everything and unfortunately the more we keep playing politics in the church, the more we’re losing. Jesus will not lose but our job as the scripture says, we’re not doing it.
The church should be the conscience of the government. We are to occupy until he comes. It’s harmful to allow evil people to run amuck in government or anywhere else. You’re harming your neighbors by abdicating your responsibility to participate in all levels of society and point to Jesus. Yes, share the gospel. We can walk and chew gum.
Couldn’t help but notice that Doug failed to appeal to the Bible when answering that lady’s question on sexual ethics!
We can appeal to the moral law written on the conscience because that is what makes us human and in gods image,
volume needs increased
Pushing whiskey and the kingdom of this world
I’d rather be right than left(wrong)
I wish Mr. Baucham was our president 🇺🇸
I think you can be a cultural Christian ie want to live in a place founded on Christian principles but salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ through grace and Christianity can only be spread by evangelism, not by force of law or military.
Founders ministries has a good video on this topic recently and while your first half is correct the second is not.
A good example is that of the godly kings of Judah who forcefully tore down the asherah, the high places, unalived those who worshiped there. A "strong" man approach works to reset culture to a godly one. The relationship with Christ is individual, but the framework for that to happen and perpetuate can be external through a strong man approach.
Works in reverse too, and our enemy uses it well.
@@EverEverOn I assume you believe we are still under Mosaic Covenant and not a new Covenant of the Gospel of Jesus Christ...
@@user-uo8kb5rv7n Ah yes the disingenuous strawman. Whenever I see someone write about an individual relationship with Christ, my first thought is...still holds to the old covenant . Lol.
@@EverEverOn you literally just used the Old Covenant. There is no "strong man approach", and Christian nationalism, if it wasn't obvious enough, but take a closer look at the word itself and Christian theology. It's the antichrist system. It's no surprise, though. Having dipped my feet in both, I can tell you that we have some REALLY BAD ACTORS (both in its actual meaning and as well as literal bad actors cause this whole ruse is obvious to me now) on the Orthodox Christian side of CZcams and abroad pushing for the exact same thing. It's not a coincidence at all. I'm starting to think, as a Slav myself, that at the very least, Russian slavs are the Tribe of Dan from which the antichrist will come. I'm sure most people know that theory by now, having to do with the Danube, D(a)nieper etc. I haven't actually studied the etymology of either name and realize this honestly will remain a shot in the dark until whenever it is that we will know who the tribes are, but I am basing my hunch on vastly different reasons. So, anything else just adds.
No country is Christian and you can bet your bottom dollar that not a single one truly will be, let alone multiple ones, in the likened days of Noah and actually far worse. As it is written that it will be worse and that the Earth will not have seen that amount evil in its entire existence, and never shall it be again when the New Earth and New Jerusalem are created. Entropy is as scientific a term as it is biblical. There will be no revival. There will be a great falling away. There will be no "we have to get organized because stupid is unsustainable" as Wilson said in this. Unsustainable? Lucky... I don't know what world or Gospel you are in, but when the eschaton describes an Earth that is worse than the days of Noah and we are trying to stop it with "Christian Nationalism" are we not fighting against prophecy? Are we not doing what Peter did when Christ told him "Get behind me, Satan."? Oh Jesus No! We have to fix this up right away there's no way we can let the world go down to degeneracy and- ..... oh... wait. Oops.
As Frank Zappa says, "Aaaah! It BURNS!!! Well, actually, that's what he's saying right now...
@@lacklusterliz6117 um... I am Og!
Trust the Lord and follow the Bible!
Beloved OMEGA can be made NEW! Liken unto a New BORN baby!
The audio is a bit echoey
America is Babylon the Great.
You forgot to add “Evangelical Christian” America
Romans 1... this is just the beginning gents....
26:06
You mean gov t??
Is Man Rampant a reference to Doug’s gluttony?
@redeemedzoomer6053 36:15 Doug's might be talking about you there
Pastor John MacArthur preached about this today I gotta here this!
Why is there a bottle of whiskey with two shots poured, on the table???
Some us are more Republicans than Christians and that's a shame.
Vodie Baucham for president of Wakanda
You only have legal recourses if you have MONEY.