Peter Wang: Python and the Source Code of Humans, Computers, and Reality | Lex Fridman Podcast
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- Peter Wang is the co-founder & CEO of Anaconda and one of the most impactful leaders and developers in the Python community. Also, he is a physicist and philosopher. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
0:33 - Python
4:04 - Programming language design
24:07 - Virtuality
34:07 - Human layers
41:05 - Life
46:29 - Origin of ideas
49:01 - Eric Weinstein
54:00 - Human source code
57:58 - Love
1:12:16 - AI
1:25:39 - Meaning crisis
1:48:12 - Travis Oliphant
1:54:38 - Python continued
2:24:21 - Best setup
2:31:39 - Advice for the youth
2:40:12 - Meaning of Life
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0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions:
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0:33 - Python
4:04 - Programming language design
24:07 - Virtuality
34:07 - Human layers
41:05 - Life
46:29 - Origin of ideas
49:01 - Eric Weinstein
54:00 - Human source code
57:58 - Love
1:12:16 - AI
1:25:39 - Meaning crisis
1:48:12 - Travis Oliphant
1:54:38 - Python continued
2:24:21 - Best setup
2:31:39 - Advice for the youth
2:40:12 - Meaning of Life
Happy holidays Lex. This feels like a Christmas gift 🎁. Very interesting discussion about program designs . Looking forward to listening to the rest of the interesting interview
I love your Python content. I took up coding because of you Lex and I don't regret it even a little bit!
Virtual Reality instead of little phone 📱 🙃 can use VR to phase a skill by light to brain 🧠 .. like math, or a new language "program?" Insta suicidal thoughts, tips to work with ... 🏋♀️
Hey Lex, I don't know if you read these, but I think you'd get a kick out interviewing Brennan Lee Mulligan.
He's a somewhat-famous Dungeon Master for Dungeons and Dragons, an incredible improv comedian and actor, and a very intelligent guy. Love your show - a fellow Austinite 😁
@@channelwarhorse3367 ooooooo
I am 85. I find myself having moments of gratitude that I lived long enough. For instance to witness this conversation. Thank you both.
I hope you love long enough to live forever
I’m 20. This comment might seem insignificant to some, but for me, I found it to be very profound. I get a feeling of appreciation that I’m young. I have an entire lifetime of experience ahead of me, despite struggling in countless important areas of my life. I worry often about things like legacy or money, but I believe I can sum it up to a fear of wasting time. I spend my days inside addicted to video games while the sun shines bright outside. This comment gave me a taste of a different perspective. I want to get out into the world, reconnect with my grandparents, make new friends, and experience love again. I don’t think something as small as a CZcams comment has ever moved me like this, but it has, and I can’t really explain it. Perhaps I’ve held myself to a higher unrealistic standard, resulting in countless missed opportunities for salvation. I’m not sure. With that being said, I aim to change my life when I wake up tomorrow morning. Learning practice more gratitude might just change everything.
@@EP-nl6fd Hmm, well based on your view of Life and your willingness to improve, I get a feeling that you’re destined for greatness.
This comment makes me hopeful I'll not only make it to 85 but still be curious enough to check out whatever the CZcams equivalent is in my day. Kudos to you dude.
@@EP-nl6fd what a beautiful comment. From someone who is 19 and feels much the same as you do this inspired me to go out and live the best possible life I can today. Thank you very much and best of luck on your journey through this spectacular life
I never knew anything about Peter Wang, but I am absolutely blown away by his insight, critical thinking, and fascinating philosophical ideas. I absolutely love the way this human speaks. Thank you again, Lex, for bringing this type of conversation to us. ❤️
Happy to see him here after hearing him on Jim Rutt show
Same same. Deeply impressed, will re-listen to this and recommend to many of my family/friends.
one of the smartest
I completely agree you
And what about that little gem he dropped, 'one day when we can speak to the life forms living in the Sun' - I wish Lex had followed up that little tidbit
I love you lex, never stop doing what you're doing.
He would have to code himself into an AI app that can keep making these videos after he is dead to achieve. in part what you are suggesting, and it is not a bad idea ..if AI lex can continue to grow and learn
What is it that’s he’s doing that brings such love in you?
@@apolloapostolos5127 Wearing that suit.
@@bradmodd7856 I keep imploring the internet to do this with Norm Macdonald .Keeping the greatest dark comedic mind continuing after death, meta in that he made the first posthumous joke and wanted to live forever.
He is a robot. He will never stop.
Great to see Peter on the podcast! Worked for him at Anaconda and always found our conversations very interesting and enjoyable. Was hoping to see him as a guest on the show eventually. Also, it’s cool to finally see someone I know personally on my favorite podcast. Shoutout to Peter and Lex, great episode!
Dude. Peter Wang is a Heideggarian on the low. This podcast is legendary.
Yet there are many of us that don’t seek popularity, or social credit as Steve Jobs put it. There isn’t anything new or explicit to what he is saying that you won’t hear discussed in the business platform and portfolio discussions that lead to service offerings curriculum.
This debate goes much deeper than the title sugests.
The logic and principles of thinking coming from computer programming is very compeling for all sorts of questions and problems.
In such changing times, with so many posibilities, philosophy is critical more than ever for finding our way forward as humanity.
Thank you a lot for having these conversations.
Perhaps we should go back to the old ways since we know how to fix that. evolving .. the more we introduce the worse it gets?
Learning Python is the next step up from being the "Excel guy" in your office. I've automated so many repetitive tasks with inept spaghetti code.
True
Agreed. But now I wonder what is the next step, any ideas?
It’s way more than that though
@@berkistayn deep learning
you can do that shit with shell/bash scripting , Python is an overkill
Dude you are like the perfect example of don't judge a book by its cover. I have always skipped over your videos and then realized today you are the best interviewer that I've seen.
Fascinating to learn about Peter. I’d never heard of him before, He should know that, although he’s no longer a physicist, anaconda /python is essential for basically all of physics rn Thanks Gents.
Brian Keating!!! I love u man!! I listen to your podcast just as much as Lex’s podcast. It was exciting to run into u here!! Haha 😆 many thanks to both of u guys for doing what u do!! Peace!!
@@luckyluciano6093 Lex’s podcast I have listened to since it was named the MIT AI podcast-it is in fact the only podcast I listen to, and I listen to many episodes but not all. Given what you’ve written here I just checked out Brian’s CZcams and subscribed. It’s relevant to my interests :) thanks for the recommendation 👌
@@donquixoteupinhere this is awesome and unexpected! Much love! I’m glad we just had a moment of awesome human interaction! Haha also check out these similar podcasts by these geniuses that you would probably also like. I wish I could be friends with them in real life and talk to them in person. 😆
The Origins podcast with Lawrence Krauss
Sean Carroll’s Mindscape
Making Sense with Sam Harris
@@luckyluciano6093 LL! What a nice interaction between total strangers, eh? We are birds of a feather my friend I like the way you think and express your feelings! I will have a look into these.
Yeah I have a list of people alive I would love to have dinner with (repeatedly) that is quite large 😆
With an interaction like this I kinda wish there were an easier way to connect with people from CZcams!
I am so grateful for this, the breath of content from Peter was phenomenon, so many topics were covered. This might be one of the best, in 2 hours, this felt like the shortest but also the longest interview! More underappreciated guests please!
This was an extraordinary interview - I would love to see Peter return to the podcast
Hey Lex, please get John Vervaeke on your podcast. Would love to see your interaction with him!
Oh boy, yess!
Cognitive psychologitive
Yes! Invite and interview czcams.com/users/johnvervaeke John Vervaeke.
As someone who cant usually stomach the programming podcasts, this talk was especially enlightening. Thank you both for the talk!
I started this a couple days ago and got about 20 minutes in and left. Sure glad I came back. Peter as a philosopher was a real welcomed surprise.
I currently teach middleschoolers as a sidegig to code in Python as a requirement of their curriculum, not as an elective. Python will definitely have 100 of millions of users, and sooner than we think. Python is amazingly natural to code in, and powerful enough to let your imagination and desires run wild!
Спасибо, что подбираешь таких интересных гостей и готовишься к беседе с ними. Пытаюсь улучшить свой английский, обучаясь на твоих подкастах)
first Travis, now Peter! great job Lex. This podcast brings me more joy and value than you can imagine. Happy holidays Lex. ill continue to support the sponsors.
This guy has the ability and intuition to be a philosophy and psychology professor, python is his side hustle
There were literally several times during the podcast where I completely forgot of his Python background.
lol, you're saying that as if philosophy and psychology professors is somehow fundamentally superior to python developers))
Just to be clear: they're definitely not.
"professional" philosophers are the worst, because as the substance of philosophy was taken away by (other) sciences, all they left with is a form, and they just continue to cite and recycle old works, or play elaborate lingual gymnastics for status in their circles and/or to get funded. Also, most, if not all of the great and still relevant works were written by "side hustlers" (Seneca, Marcus Aurelius), who just applied thinking for real world problems in their busy lives.
@@jonathanjonathansen What i'm saying, is that you cant be a philosopher full time, and still be relevant, because you have the wrong incentives. No one is giving scholarships, degrees or grants for answers. While in the past there was at least some meaning for this search, now we have answers for most of these questions and they are quite simple. They are so simple, actually, that you must invent increasingly flamboyant language to still produce a book and look scholarly. Because if you put it shortly - many people wont take you seriously, as such is Marcus Aurelius case. He was an emperor of Rome and all we have is one short book. hah. To be a truly great and influential philopshoper you must write volumes. Right
@@jonathanjonathansen what is the world, what is the experience and thinking, what is a mind and why does it exist. Questions that has been aching to be answered since the dawn of men. We know now though. Probably even the meaning of life. Look up any lectures or podcasts from Jocha Bach. He has some profound thoughts after getting degrees in philosophy, neuroscience and AI. Its all related.
One of my favorite episodes you've done. Peter has amazing awareness and depth. So glad to have been introduced via this podcast. Great job Lex!
What do we ... REALLY need for a decent quality of life? That is the ULTIMATE question for our world and our culture today. Than you Mr Wang for asking it around the 1:40 mark. And thank you Lex for your incredible videos.
The level of joy I get from these videos is incalcalacable.
I am a Javascript Dev 1-2 years experience, and just started studying Python a couple weeks ago. I absolutely love it
Thanks Lex and Peter. This is one of your best, and full of so much wisdom, especially about ‘where we are’ and ‘where we’re going’ collectively.
I'm searching for more content including Peter Wang, but this seems to be his only interview though it's been sliced and diced into a bunch of shorts. I'm looking forward to another interview with Peter Wang, super interesting!
He went on a podcast called Subversive with Alex Kaschuta today
Great episode. Peter is exceptional.
what gives me hope is that there are amazing people like Lex and Peter and many others like them ... in the world ... i don't always understand what they are saying . .but i see it in their eyes ...
I am so excited to watch this Lex my man thank you for your continued work to further optimize mankind
Thank you for having this guy on your podcast. He definitely provided new perspective! A beautiful mind!
this is awesome I been learning python for last 6 months and I’m obsessed with it. Can’t wait to listen to this ! Thanks Lex
It’s barely about python though :)
Wow …amazing topic. Already shared with my IT friends. Thanks buddy for your hard work and dedication to getting the best folks and sharing them on your platform
Phenomenal conversation, Thank you Lex and Peter.
You are my hero Mr fridman ive never had someone to look up to, never had a hero. I really appreciate your hard work.
Thank you, Lex, for bringing us these interviews. This is what I was (we were) craving for back in the day when I graduated in philosophy in the nineties, in Madrid, Spain, before the internet was around. There were some interesting tv shows, but they always fell short of our expectations (due to limited time on the tv show's schedules, lack of depth on addressing the subjects, etc.) and always left us wanting more. The quality of your channel is outstanding and really helps to make up for that lack on tv that I was refering to. Many thanks again and best wishes for 2022.
Well, your game just keeps getting better and better Lex... You're really setting an increasingly higher level of quality content. It's such a privilege to watch your growth my friend. Keep going strong and thanks a lot mate!
"we should keep humans around for a long time"
this guy literally describing the matrix
Amazing interview btw and truly remarkable perspectives. LOVE this
interview from my core. This is largely the conversation that synopses
through my brain without reason.
Good bot :D This is one for the record books. I want more thought influencers like this in my life
Amazing! The podcast episode I was craving. I had just relistened to Travis episode and was craving more on Python!
Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance was a book given to me when I went to jail by a business man serving time. It changed my life. I’ve never heard any since mentioning that book. Discovering the Lex Fridman podcast was also a life changer.
This was honestly one of my most favorite podcast from you Lex. I love the way both of you think!
mine too.
What an eloquent interview elaborating on such a vast array of topics. Love the advice to younger generations at the end as well as the coined term, “moping.” Well done, Lex.
array , nice tern drop !
Wow. This guy cuts through it all with laser like focus and clarity. Did not expect this.. fantastic.
My favorite podcast so far. I'm glad to have learned about Peter
i expected something boring and technical but this was very good! would love to see him again in the future :)
Oh k…I’m going to have to listen to this podcast at least 3 more times…happy holidays! To a good new year. 🥂
Lex! I genuinely love your interviews and appreciate all the work you put into them! Super interesting chat!
Thank you for the insights. I was blown away at least three times, I must watch the interview again .
Probably my fave Lex dialogue so far!! Excellent!
This one is amazing. Got 10% smarter after this.
Peter, like most all of my favorite thinkers, are humble & deeply well-read, stand on the shoulders of giants, etc… yet, talk about the nature of existence in their own words, while ending up overlapping greatly with Terrance McKenna✨
You love to see it.
Wow, the title of this interview doesn't even begin to explain what was discussed. That was fascinating.
What a beautiful soul. That meaning of life answer was truly inspiring. Thanks Lex as always, for helping pushing us in what I think is a beautiful direction.
I am now a fan of Peter Wang, please raise your voice, sir, the internet needs more people like you. The entire discussion was great but that last bit was too beautiful and important
Speechless.. My favorite interview so far
After listening to Peter, I realized that we need philosopher kings. Leaders and visionaries who can command the institutions of government to take us to higher places.
Peter Wang is so clear and thoughtful. It seems he holds fundamental values and concern for humankind that drive his thinking. This has been one of my favorites so far.
“We are s superposition of dynamics that run through us that make us who we are.” That's so brilliant. Love this guy
One of the greatest Lex's podcasts. Thank you.
Amazing podcast!! Lex continues to up his game every single time!!
This is the most intellectual and entertaining at the same time on CZcams channel I have ever seen so far.
That was super fresh for me... so many new angles which maybe I did consider or not subconsciously, but surely never worded them this way, quite some food for thought. Thank you.
As he started mentioning the Unix terminal in iOS. I wanted to yell, "you can just use wsl"... I'm so glad you brought that up.
Fascinated by what is said at 39:40 "there seems to be a tendency in the world when there is excess energy - things will structure and pattern themselves and try to create an environment that furthers their continued stability ."
This is another great conversation Lex! To be honest, i clicked almost instantly because I've known of Peter and his work in Anaconda... But I absolutely hate the conda ecosystem lol. It's just not of my taste. But he's a great guy and his work has been amazing. Great job
This is such an excellent one, thanks Lex and Peter. Very though provoking chat
One of the best podcasts ever. Very good ideas about social and economic and human values topics.
Amazing! Lex would you make an episode about zapier? I love that took I have automate the heck out of what I do at work. It's a powerful tool I think more people specially those with low level programming skills should learn about. Thanks for your great work man.
Thank you Lex and have a wonderful holidays ❤️🔥
Long, but very insightful. Enjoyed every bit. Especially philosophy parts. I was trimming trees in the backyard and almost fell of the tree at: "Man was invented by water to carry itself uphill". Pure ~ Zen
One of the best ones! Thanks massively to both. The last question was the icing on the cake and it is real #Immanence
Thank you for this interesting podcast, love it!
This was amazing! One of your best. Thank you Lex
His first name is Peter. His last name is Wang. He talks about coding in Python which is also a snake. Life finds a way.
The Irony is that Python was taken from "Monty Python's flying circus", which has nothing to do with snakes.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 I failed to convey my thoughts adequately lol. Snake not as in the literal snake, but in the phallic sense. BUT you perfectly summed up my thoughts with that statement!
According to their wiki: "The name Monty Python was later described by the BBC as being "envisaged by the team as the perfect name for a sleazy entertainment agent".
It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to argue the implication of a phallic reference with the last name being Python based on that explanation.
@@Hyperbog Hehe yeah now I see it
Thanks Lex and Mr. Wang! Fantastic show, just perfect..what else can I say
Really fun conversation to listen too. His ideas are cogent, and fresh.
Excellent interview, loved the guest
i love all interviews on Lexfridman!
Thank you
Excellent podcast, thank you Lex!
This is one of the best ones yet! Thanks!
Absolutely great conversation. Loving it.
Coding is the language of the future. And who understand code are at the highest level of literacy in the 21st century. This will give all kids the tools to move from consumers to creators, enabling them for huge success.
Ya sure coding is important. But its not the only job or industry out there. People still need homes, AC/heat, cars fixed, pipelines, power plants, FOOD, etc. Some of the richest people are in real estate. It makes sense why shopify for instance is doing well. People can create their own website and have protection, etc without being a coding expert while still focusing on their business and being creators. I know some that do coding and are amazing in finance. Whats a freaking joke is for a masters of finance using six different coding languages over two semesters the kids that actually do well are those that are in computer science because they already know a few languages. It was funny cause computer science majored students struggled some when it actually came to bonds, finance, but when it came to coding and running simulations they excelled.
There are no variables, only pointers. This eliminates the need for templates. This is the most beautiful thing ...
Integers that are only limited by RAM, no roll over into negative numbers. That keeps me in love.
This has been my take on the Borg since I was in high school. I'm glad to finally hear this from someone else now that I'm almost 25
After, I think, five listens to this I'm going around again as there is still stuff to unpack. Thanks, both, for your three hours shared with us common folk.
This makes me want to switch to Python as my main language.
One of the best Lex's podcasts hands down. GG Peter Wang
Great interview
great guest! already wiating for a second chat!
This was an incredibly nice Christmas present to us. Thank you.
(or Newtonmas)
One of my favourite recent episodes!
"Sugar free social network" is something! How beautifuly put!
*So glad* I found Peter through Lex. Phenomenal thinker!
Thanks for sharing another great conversation.
You talking about Fermi paradoxes with Isaac Arthur would be amazing 👍🏼
This is a must. Please!
Your pods set my mind on fire 🔥. Thank yoooou!
This was great. Thank you!
I keep pausing to let things sink in before losing thoughts. stellar discussion
Another high quality interview
yes
thank you so much for the grind