Was the Wuthering Waves Launch Bad? | A 2 Month Review
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- With SensorTower revenue data for July released, many are asking one question: Was Wuthering Waves' potential destroyed by its problems at launch?
Today we answer that question, breaking down the downstream implications of Kuro's compensation and what it means for the game's future.
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game is for entertainment, not for earn billion
I more prefer to support this kind of developer
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Hoyo and Kuro are companies, not philantropies. They must make money, people invested in them from their own pockets and expect a return.
But to make money they must create value...and currently, while Genshin is great and improving, I see no reason to spend in a company which needed the competition poking their asses to start showing a little bit of respect for its costumers.
It's fine for a game company to make money, but it's the game company's problem that players have to be fed poop for their money, at least when it comes to service Genshin Impact is completely substandard
@@游戏大侠 Indeed, which is why I barely give them any money.
It’s definitely made to make money,however they do give players a lot of resources,take feedback and DAMN do I love the quality of life things it has.
The idea of Skins is not talked about enough. Some players may not understand, but it's been seen time and time again across multiple games that stellar skins just sell. Nikke even has a gacha for skins and their revenue goes crazy on those months.
As someone who got Naked King Crown in the anniversary event, and the recent Viper skin, I am sad to say I have spent 100 bucks on those skin gachas alone-…
I mention skins on the last survey
Deadass, a good skin/costume/outfit will get me to play a character. You should see my receipts in Smite, Warframe, and Path of Exile.
Hell, here's a topical example: Kokomi is my absolute least favorite character in all of Genshin, one reason being her design. I've gained _nothing_ by having her on my account. But if she ever got her old "Mimi" design back as a skin, it'd be a Day 1 purchase and I'd pull her off the bench yesterday.
@@thebrush9506 it's the for Naked King, we understand
aside from skins we need a better whale sink in the game. its just healthy for the game. I can give some examples that probably cant be implemented now
1. make weapon banner guaranteed for the first copy of the weapon then 50/50 with pity
2. add more elements
3. Lock gear exchange in ToA
4. add more weapon types like two handed axes, hammers, spears, snipers, dagers etc. ppl will need more 5 star options that way.
5. add asterite sink. examples 60 asterites to rollback echo to lv 1.
the idea is to have something that whales are willing to pay more for while not ruinning but encriching low spenders /f2p experience
Hoyo doesn't actually listen to cn, they only take action when they are threatened with legal action which are only ever caused by the cn playerbase because they are rabid
yes. CN players are also saying the same feedback regarding the game. Things like "not enough rewards", "bad endgame" "gacha is too expensive" "weapon banner is a scam" and so on.
They just get afraid when there is an actual pushback.
not gonna lie, considering how nasty these companies are to their customers, those customers need to be nasty to them as well. (not including the assassination and cat incident cause wth was that)
I am not a complete whale, but I have spent just over 100 dollars on wuthering and a big reason for that was because I noticed so many players are not inclined to spend money, which worried me because I don't want this game to fall under.
Revenue ain't the only thing keeping a game up, if it is the case, Kuro would've given up on PGR a long time ago.
Lord Solon himself considers Wuthering Waves as a success with how many positive reception it got globally, and he never brings any money-talk in his speech.
@@a4arick106 The difference is PGR has a way lower development cost which leads it to be profitable. (Maybe 1 new event using old enemies and assets, a couple dozen static story panels for the path story, one or 2 new stages and a new boss.)
WuWa costs a lot more to produce content for and differences in revenue can be really bad, I would not be surprise if the money used to develop 1.1 content could produce 6 pgr patches
I also spent a similar amount and mostly on Yinlin weapon but also as a way to support the game. But I agree with the video that this games makes me pull for also the weapon more than others. My main concern now is that I want to play it on PlayStation and without knowing for sure if that will support cross save I am not too keen on spending more money on it till they provide more details
@@VirtualDarKness it would be a dumb move if they don't allow cross save, but we will have to see first once they are ready to provide more news about their PS5 release
WuWa players on average according to latest statistics spend an average 30$ per person.
For comparison, ZZZ players only spent 22$ per person on average the first month.
Thank God WuWa was made. It's basically everything we ever wanted in Genshin... But better. I am a Hardcore player and Genshin wasn't it for me so I hopped on to WuWa and never regretted it. I'm a Mobile player with a SnpDrgn 8+ Gen 1 and it was frickin atrocious and it still is. Lowering the Graphics doesn't work so I don't know what the problem is. If it really is my phone's problem then it is what it is 😅
Edit: I've heard people say the performance issues are because of WuWa using Unreal Engine which requires more updated hardware than others like Unity. But Guys let me just say this... Pubg Mobile is made with Unreal Engine and I can play it at Maxed Out settings with Minimal lag and heat 💀
Thank god WW gave hardcore players somewhere to go because I was getting sick of them complaining about how easy Genshin is.
It's the performance optimization issues. If Kuro manages to fix this, it will 100% boost this game's popularity because it is the only thing in my opinion that Genshin has over Wuwa.
I have a mid range phone, and after some tweaks, I'm able to play Wuwa somehow. I installed Genshin yesterday to check how it was and while I was able to run it at around 50-60 fps easily, it was lack luster, slow and didn't feel fun anymore (I'm Ar 45 in that btw, so you can't say I don't know my ropes around that game also played quite a lot during 2022-23)
Maybe your GPU was on the lower side .
I got a snapdragon 888 with adreno 660 as a gpu and i can run the game at max with 50+ fps .. and didn't have an issue on launch .. just that on lunch i got a medium setting on it however in 1.1 i can run it at max now .
Some people have fixed the optimisation problem by modifying the files so the problem isn't hardware related.
Note my phone is redmagic 6r silver (which has a higher ram)
If KURO will add the farmable free skins for F2P as well as giving whales the premium paid skins for the whales. Then WuWa will be even more profitable thanks to PGR skin lineup experience.
Im just waiting for maybe 1.5 or more since I love to give them a break, they deserve that since they have been overwoking a lot and I wish them in good health to make a fun game and I will happily be a dolphin user
If the rumors are true then we're getting a farmable 5 star unit, farmable or even login bonus skins aren't so farfetched
The fact i dont have to spend alot just to get one copy and a weapon is WHY im willing to spend. It means ill get my moneys worth. If its not a complete gamble im happy to spend. For example i spent 130 already on wuwa and deleted two other gachas cus its more cost effecient. Therefore kuro is getting my money that wouldve went to other games...
Also I'd totally spend for skins especially if we get new attack effects.
i also did spend because i wasn't getting scammed.
I did the terrible mistake in GI to "fall in love" with some characters and wanting to give them the best and rolled on that disgusting weapon banner.
I remember doiung this during the 3.2 or something when Yelan and Hu Tao was there. I wanted both weapon if possible but i had money for one. I wanted Yelan one.
Result .? I got frustrated when i got the homa staff and used real money to get the Yelan Weapon.
I got it but at what cost ? 2 Homa staff basically at hard pity. Which means : 450 € spend.
I was so ashamed of myself i didn't admit it to anyone for a while. It's also expensive in Wuwa tbh....but when i SPEND i know where its going.
I didn't spend much on the game so far but if the game stays good, i'll be a light spender in it and im sure that's enough. Just knowing i can reliably roll on the weapon banner is reassuring.
@@ThomasAndy-qu8dp Exactly how I feel. And sry to hear about your experience. I'm a recovering "gacha addict" (got hooked hard when I became a disabled teenager and have funneled most of my money in early twenties to these predatory companies) , so I understand the importance of being able to know where your money is going so you can stick to budget. Also don't feel ashamed these companies psychologically manipulate us to get us addicted. What's important is to learn the actual game THEY'RE playing(us) and realize we don't NEED anything in these games to be happy. They should be lower on the priority list than more important irl things, and other real games that wont force us to gamble to get the same experience as others.
4:03 I have to disagree with "outdated hardware". Respectfully I think you do not know what you are talking about in this area, and is quite misleading and blaming users outright.
Recommended settings are put as to much how they can get away with technical support. If your code is inefficient, it will run sluggish.
I run both a new ryzen7 + 4090 + ssd AND I5 8300H + 1050Ti + ssd, and both are stuttery, despite both running at 120+ fps.
Some optimization are released 3-4 weeks after launch and it improved the game a little bit.
Recently I found 2 reddit posts about optimization. The first one is disabling a usb suspend setting, and the other tweaking engine.ini.
I did both and the game now runs buttery smooth.
The stutters are caused by multiple factors, one of which the usb setting was being remote polled by tencent's ace anti cheat.
Wuthering waves is a huge blessing, as it brings competition and better service for both games.
Unless you know UE4, and test games with both low and high end for a living, please refrain from making such comments.
Can you link me those reddit posts please?
I feel like the only player in existence who didn't experience performance issues. I have a ryzen 9 5900hx and 120w 3060 mobile + ssd yet I have no issues running the game at all on the highest quality preset the game has (it was selected for me and I had no issues with it so I never changed it). The only visual setting I've changed is motion blur since it makes me sick. The game is beautiful
yeah i think this gentleman was paid to whitewash the problem which people face during the launch
Could you post the links to these two reddit posts?
My game runs pretty good, but I still feel like it’s not running as great as it should on my system so I wanna try these two modifications you mentioned and see if it changes things.
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/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1dumhs6/wuwas_performance_issues_are_caused_by_anticheat/
/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1d07cku/ue4_engine_tweaks_to_improve_visuals_and_reduce/
I'm not gonna lie. I'm puzzled every time someone points out that a MASSIVE player base has a large amount of undesirable people in it. We're acting as if it's a new thing. Yet we have so many other examples, like the WoW "community", or BTS Army, or BlackPink Blinks...you name it.
That being said, the launch was bad. I have an R7 5700X + RX 6800, and it was painful on launch. Also, the 3-4 year old game bit is weird. The recommended hardware specs indicate that this is simply not a demanding game. So, imo, you can't just relegate this to "poor hardware". As far as I'm concerned, the game had some optimization issues, and that's before we ever start talking about the mobile experience. I feel like they did drop the ball on that one and to be honest, they might still not quite be there for mobile players...if that's a platform they actually want to capitalize on.
In any case, whether it's doomed the game or not depends on how Kuro measures success. As long as they make enough to keep working on, and improving the game then I'm a happy camper and I'll keep supporting the game for as long as I have fun playing it.
I have a worse graphics card than you yet I have no issues with launch, so I genuinely don’t know what you are talking about.
Yes, my computer now runs much cooler and quieter due to the optimization they implemented, but it never had an issue
@@kenchen704 It is random really. I had a terrible launch experience but after the patches it is working well so it is clearly was on the game. I belive it was not just optimisation but some net-coding problem this is why we have very different experiences because net-coding problems are came up depending on how far you are from the servers and how mayn people useing the servers etc.
all my "optimization" issues went away after i installed the game in SSD, to be honest...
the optimization issues were not hardware related.
I was playing it just fine on my laptop who has an RTX3060. An RTX 3060 laptop is NOT as good as a desktop one.
Yet i was playing it on high at 60 fps.
I only had stuttering for 10 seconds.
It was mega random.
Wuwa is just cheaper than hoyogames to get both the resonator plus sig weapon. Even in zzz which i also play i spent almost double just to get a copy of zhu yuan and her sig weapon at the start compared to me getting s2 changli plus her sig weapon. So it is rather normal for zzz to outperform wuwa in revenue. Zzz is actually a very fun game too despite so many people shit on it online.
Did you just trying to downplay a huge weapon problem to just a minor mistranslation? your point literally just reverses because you downplay the big problem to a minor one.
Also blaming user hardware issue instead of bad optimization? the source of your clip is literally contradicting your point because that user optimized the game file himself to run on his old phone.
most of his points are sound like copium more than anything and it hurt because other people will see this vid and think all WUWA player think like him.
Im playing Wuwa and gonna continue playing it. But saying that Wuwa doesn't have optimization issues is simply ignorant. I have a decent PC and meet very frequent fps drops below 60 to this day. Even if i set all settings to lowest and limit fps to 45 - i still have those drops. Fps framerate graph is very bumpy, but using fps limiter from Afterburner suddenly makes it smooth as a butter. Turning on the DLSS makes the game literally laggy. I have a sompletely smooth gameplay (without any drops) in a way better looking Cyberpunk on high settings (even with RT, if i use FSR frame gen mod), but graphically unimpressive Wuwa still manages to stutter.
Its more like the launch was over exaggerated. I have a 7 year old phone and it performs incredibly well. But yeah the game needs optimisations
that's unfortunately random.
I know some people still have issues.
I have a worse laptop that some of the desktop PC I've seen mentioned and only had stuttering when booting the game then everything was smooth.
Meanwhile, I've seen some people with setup like RX7900 + Ryzen 7 having truble. It was random and its less random now but i know it still happens.
Its sad but this isn't a "everyone is having trouble" situation.
@@ThomasAndy-qu8dp, no one was arguing that. But if your optimization is random depending on user setup with seemingly little correlation to specs, then perhaps, just perhaps your game isn't really coded correctly lmao
@@kiuhh1118 according to some itsa netcode issue, related to distance to servers. im not sure tho because i literally had zero issues on launch aside from servers being overloaded one time during the week of release
This game runs like shit on my S23 Ultra, it's not a tech released "more than half a decade ago", this thing is 1) barely a year old, 2) a flagship, and 3) is probably better than 90% of mobile devices used by people who play this game. I can only play this game half decently on my RTX3070. This isn't the average customer's device profile.
I love this game, but wow, you people are defending it like zealots.
You can feel the cope on this video. 😂
Never ever interact with kurobot, they are so high on delulu. Truly like a cultist.
then why is it fine on my s20 ultra? odd indeed
Then it's your phone. I have both S23&S24 Ultra and I play on max settings without a single issue whatsoever.
@@Kayfliings If anything, your comment PROVES it is an issue with the game.
@@azeemsiddiqui4764 How so? We have the same device and it works on mine perfectly? How is it the game's fault?
Not only the genshin community being salty and start doomposting but also the tof community as well as their biggest streamer Gateoo. They're just mad their game flopped horrendously and still doesn't improve after 3 YEARS. Instead of admitting their game short coming they just doompost to pull wuwa down with them. Such pathetic behavior, as expected from gacha gamers
Launch bad? Yes its bad. They were incompetent when handling UE4 and used tencent's anti cheat expert which fcked up a lot of pc's and laptop thinking that it was the players's fault for the game not running
Yeah fck tencent and solon should just end their relationship with then
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Here's a Ted-Talk about Solon planning to be independent in near future for their games.
I have spendt over 200 on Wuawa and tge main reason was because of how fast and interactive they are with the community. I hope they keep up the good communication because if they do i am for sure willing yo spend more especially if the release skins and more intresting new characters and diverse designs (if wuwa decides to go the cultural inspiration route)
dont try to white wash wuwa their launch was disaster....with opening issue,32% loading screen issue, lag,freezes and stuttering issue even with high end pc .....this problems still persist now even after 2 months ....i have ryzen 7 5800x and rtx 3070 this hardware is over the recommended ...now dont tell me that this hardware is outdated
even now??
@@chalips3870 yep after recent update i tried it still didnt fix anything.. so deleted the game 2 weeks ago...not gonna touch this game
@@cptninja7890 hmm that quite strange, i run it on laptop 3050, i7 gen 11 with dlss on, still 60 fps most of the time but ofc sometimes it drop, but just for 54~56 on combat
My setting is medium, i turn off most thing like details for distant enviroment etc, dlss on, super quality set to normal
@@cptninja7890 maybe ur driver not updated yet? I remember there is one time that i feel a bit laggy, after a bit update on geforce, restart my laptop, and back to 60 fps
@@chalips3870 mine isnt buggy or anything but the game freezes and lags a lot after every 4-5 secs ...moreover the gpu utilization in game is shit...for me its 20% gpu utilization ...i have rtx 3070 which is above par ....i played every other gacha games and those runs perfectly
This is what we're saying since Launch. Thank you for voicing this out ❤ Great Video!
Launch bad? yes, yes it was. Unoptimized, story on start is a snore, runs bad with good internet, the banner is a dude (seems like waifu is key) and other community doomposting
did it get good? Yes, very yes it did. Its optimized, still has bugs, story is picking up, banner waifus, and despite the doomposting, the devs cook cause they want to, as well community they have don't mind as they know they want to listen and be better, some things takes time to make, but other things that they can add, they add if asked.
So yeah, it has gotten better
Well said brother 🫡
For mobile yes, it was definitely a very rough launch experience, credit where credit is due kuro got to work on trying to patch out the issues very quickly.
As someone who never experienced any issues from the start, yes both mobile and laptop, with my mobile a 2 year old mid range phone back then that now can be considered a potato and a 5 year old under spec laptop.
I am inclined to believe that those who say they still experience issues isn't really the game's fault but most probably 9/10 chance a device/setting/end-user issue.
That said the compensation we got plus WuWa's complete generosity had a massive ripple effect on people's spending habits in game.
Without serious adjustments no computer and phone can handle the specs wuwa wants.
@@nobody-xh6ii huh crazy how my pc and phone run the game perfectly fine without any "adjustments". Heck i even manually set the fps to 120 and it sits at 120. Seems like youre spreading misinfo. wonder why hmmm....
Disagree on the "probably 9/10 chance a device/setting/end-user issue".
I think the game did have some actual optimization problems. Now, I no longer experience said issues, but I'm unconvinced that my "R7 5700X + RX 6800" combo would have been unable to handle this game when other more demanding titles run smoothly at various settings. I built my own machine, and I consider myself at least somewhat technologically informed and able. As far as I'm personally concerned, the game *had* issues.
I do agree that your argument may have been true for some users, maybe not most.
Same, an old s20 ultra, no problem, a PC with i5 with only 16GB and 2060 super, no problem
@@KuroiRyuuGaming If you're talking about micro-stuttering or stuttering in general, its UE4 expect it.
Other than that their weren't some big major problems as long as you have a required specs (PC), installed it in a sata ssd i7-6700 32gb ram with 6600 (hundreds of firefox tabs when playing) before but only got stuttering problems.
It might not be 90% but theirs definitely some end-user issue, but im betting 100% its the issue of OS not being reset for more than 4 yrs, which they might not know, they're might be some driver problems etc or just the windows OS in general especially WIn 11, then their was the HDD problem which Kuro might not have anticipated that some people still use HDD for some games they definitely didn't work optimizing or making it work on HDD, and given the minimum requirements of WuWa requires a 16GB Ram, some people who have less than that probably might be encountering some problems.
Hard disagree on the performance argument that it's old tech, you're essentially gaslighting IMO.
They launched with VRAM leaks and other performance bottleneck issues.
This is absolutely not the community reaction's fault, it was bad software and communication on kuro's end.
FWIW it ran fine on my devices so it's not even like I'm salty
Yeah the game needs more optimization but its weird how my iphone 11 could handle the game so smoothly (Its 7years old)
The pc optimization take here is not correct. My machine more than meets the minimum requirements but it chugs super hard on the lowest settings.
i5 16GB pc with 2060 super and no issues, what's your specs?
i5 gtx 1650 ran at medium on launch , now at advanced
Ryzen 3 2200G, RX 580, 16GB RAM here. Zero problem since launch
sounds like it never was a hardware issue then, i havent seen a single frame bug or anything really on release
Im not gonna lie you lost me at the performance take that is an incredibly stupid take because I had friends try to play the game on brand new hardware watch it absolutely shit itseof.
Me for example WuWa is still the only game to consistently run garbage on my device despite games like Warframe where I can have enough constant explosions to mimic the sun run perfectly fine but wuwa open world tanks incredibly hard.
The game is badly optimised and the fact ppl had to modify ini files to modify moronic decisions they used in the engine to try havong the game functionally work.
Im really sad as a person who really loves the game, all my friends who tried it didn't get hooked so all my irl people i know aren't playing, just makes me a tiny bit depressed but it is what it is.
its okay, there alot of new friend to make, keep them, and keep find the others too
lol same
I quit WuWa after about 200hrs because echo farming takes too much time. It's fine if this is your only game you want to play for hours every day. I want to play other stuff too. So after 6 weeks of grinding 4+ hrs a day i quit.
You will be back soon enough
@@IndetJungfd nah, last login was 4 weeks ago. Got enough other games to play. Echo system is still the same and won't change. I did the math before quitting. It's like 30hrs grinding overworld to upgrade a single piece.
It probably also didn't help that it took about 300 pulls just to get Yinlin and Jinhsi. Lost 50/50 and went to pity on both. So all the free/extra pulls mattered little for me.
@@SM-tf3li u will be back when there's new content
@@IndetJungfd I think you misread. Let me spell it out. The echo system is trash and wastes your time compared to other gachas. I will never install again.
Good choice my friend 👏
Ignore that kurobot, he just realize nobody playing this mid anymore
Highly disagree with your point of majority of players having outdated hardware data.
Even some streamers like Mr Pokke had a decked out PC that can run Elden Ring and Sekiro had some troubles with wuwa on launch with the constant crashing. So it is definitely not a hardware issue.
Your points on saying how the players expected too much from KuroGames is a weak argument and point. Because that is the market they are trying to target. Being an overworld gacha game that is trying to scoop up unsatisfied Genshin players, if they fail to appease that market. That's on the company, cause that's the market they want to delve in.
I personally dislike how Hoyo handle Genshin, and I do have prior experience with KuroGames with Punishing Gray Raven. But there was an optimisation issue that both Global and CN players noticed and voiced out on.
As for your point on how someone's 6 year old's device can play wuwa while others can't? There is a Reddit post that managed to figure out what was causing the optimisation issues. The game's anti cheat. And after much investigation, the OP even found out that players with certain high spec PC or devices can face optimisation issues due to system memory. So high RAM can cause such issues.
Here is the Reddit post:
www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/s/mhfblcgL9r
short answer: yes, long answer: absolutely
this game is a very mixed bag for me, in terms of quality and optimization. i'm a day 1 player and calcharo main, and i played on mobile for about 2 months cause i didn't have a pc (i literally bought one just to play wuwa cause i couldn't stand mobile anymore) and this game is awful on mobile. it feels like this is a game meant for pc, with specs that demand a long term, higher end specs to run it smoothly. i have an s21 ultra (128gb storage) and my phone became a small sun after 45 minutes of playing and would experience issues to the point where i couldn't even log in at times cause i was just battling lag, stutter, awful controls and constant server drops. while i didn't get the mobile breaking bugs that were crculating, i came close to quitting cause of just how bad it was on mobile but i refused to miss out on currency and freebies that i forced myself to keep going in preparation for it to eventually come to console.
i'ma say, i'm not exactly a fan of a game releasing in such a poor state and offering enough compensation for people to turn their heads away and forgive them just enough while they patch themselves into something feasible. it's already an issue in the gaming industry, and i feel like people praising the compensation is just giving the message to companies that they can continue to do this. while i'll never say no to free rewards, it didn't impress me. the game should not have released in the state that it was, it needed more time in cbt to address and fix the issues that ended up making it into the launch version. also, coincidentally, their first livestream was not great, so the launch was just double whammied.
i like this game, i really do, and i really, really want it to succeed and provide healthy competition while also learning from the other gachas it's competing with, but everyone and their dog that's hoping and praying it's not going to end up like every other gacha game, where you just log in, do your dailies, maybe farm a little, and log out in 15, 20 minutes is very naive. it will become that eventually when you run out of content depending on how fast it takes you to get through it. it's combat is really good, but that's not enough, imo, to keep the game going, and i hope kuro branches out and experiments with this game because they are getting the revenue for that to be possible.
The system requirements debacle was so hilarious because it happened before with PGR global first event but for a very different reason but all the same cause, reading issue. For context, when a new patch is released there will be two debut banners for the new character. First one has a hard pity of 60 but lower drop rate for the debut character. Second one has a hard pity at 100 but soft pity starting at 80 and has a higher drop rate. Both banners guarantee the debut character at hard pity. Veterans will always tell you to always roll on the first banner for debut characters. Well guess what happened, those same people who never read rolled on the second banner. Essentially fucking up their entire saved rolls. Who they blamed? Kuro.
7800x3d with a 4070ti and the amount of hurdles with file editing and steam launch options I had to go through to make this playable was definitely a bit of a turn off. Good thing they made it playable for me after 3 weeks.
Unfortunately performance is pretty much a gacha for mobile players still.
Which is super weird considering it doesn’t even run on a large portion of mobile devices. All it takes is looking past the excellent combat for two seconds to realize Kuro had absolutely no idea what they were doing with wuwa.
@@Kota-sk8slyeah they definitely weren’t prepared for such a big launch. Felt like they rushed into it
What's funny is that there were lots of comments like yours that said it didn't run on high-end devices, but then people replied that it works on their lower-end devices.
So I think the problem is not really in the specs requirements, but the type of hardware or something. Or people just lied, considering the hate train for the game.
@7012r my old computer couldn't handle it which I got brand new in 2018. Makes sense. New one can handle it hut I still can't run it on max settings without issue. I have to adjust it heavily.
Bfs laptop is 1 year old. It's gaming too. It can't handle wuwa without stuttering still
@@7012r The complaints were all over the place really some were probably outright lying.
I installed the game in a 30% health life SATA SSD in a i7-6700 with RX6600 (before i got my Ryzen 5600).
It worked fine while playing in high settings with hundreds of firefox tabs open, yes it was stuttery but didn't have any problems other than that.
As for the mobile, if WuWa would have just outright don't allow it to be installed in a phone that's pretty low end (just like ZZZ who just did it to save face in reviews), we probably won't see this constant whining when it comes to performance issues adding its a UE4 expect some stutters.
3:48 Players have shown that you can do HSR daily while waiting for WuWa to load. If that isn't an optimization issue, I don't know what is. I know I have an old PC, but the fact that I can play Ghost of Tsushima (on the lowest setting of course) without any issue beside a minute of loading when I first open the game while WuWa is a stuttering mess (also on the lowest setting) show you how a buggy mess WuWa is at launch.
And you know why Genshin memebers attack WuWa? Its because Genshin haters have been attacking Genshin way before WuWa even came out by saying things like Genshin will die when WuWa came out. Considering the game came out the way it is, Genshin's players now have a bullet to attack WuWa back. As much as I hate tribalism, WuWa got what it deserves.
6:52 If I understand your point correctly, a game that doesn't let its player play with with an outdated hardware is bad while its good if it in reverse? Huh???
And the weapon translation is an even worse take as it is a big issue. You're basically telling people that it is okay to sell an item that works differently than what you advertised. Considering that an email leak happen afterword, yes it is a big issue. And considering some people got baited by Jihnsi S2 (it is a poor translation rather than a misleading thing), Kuro really need to have a better localisation team.
basically move on and get a good device, it definitely will fix your issue kekw 💀
i can run hsr, genshin, wuwa and zzz at the same time on my pc and only issue would be not having enough monitors to see all 4
As someone who not only playing WuWa but also PGR. Kuro Games really knows how to make a system were you don't need to spend money to play, but the player might end up spending anyway. So glad I drop genshin and never looked back after a week of playing and spending a few money on it. Just started playing PGR a week ago and don't really need to spend money but I could throw a few dollars and not feel pressure to do so.
So for those that don't know or is not part of the Genshin community (Like me. WuWa is my first gacha game. I started when Kuro handed out that ridiculously big compensation that my friend told me about), out of curiosity, I asked around on why the Chinese community in Genshin is like that. Apparently it was over a nerf that the CN community complained about. So that community went ahead and got the Chinese Government involved to investigate it. What concluded was 10 free pulls and an unnerf.
As an outsider looking in, that's pretty crazy.
As a PGR player. I actually had high hopes for Wuthering Waves and was happy that people gave it a chance. Kuro is pretty good when it comes to it's playerbase and rewards.
From the information you provided, it seems like Kuro is the only one who knows how to do business. Yeah, launch performance was terrible even for my laptop that surpass recommend spec, but they compensate (in other word, stating that they care about player) very well, so no one hates it. And the Gacha that doesn't aim toward milking as much money as possible. Sure, they won't grow as fast as Mihoyo (and the likes) but Kuro will surpass them eventually because a company aiming for short-term success will experience a short-term succeed, but a company aiming for the long-term success will succeed in the long-term. That's good business, it's been like this for thousands of year. It's like the only reason why they make a Gacha game is because the government doesn't allow a proper paid game (a better business model that's good for the company, and the consumer), not because it makes more money.
Jiyans mistranslated weapon description was not a big deal O-o
People spent thousands becase they thought the weapon is better than it actuall is. XD Kuro almost lost the faith of the JApanese players, because this whole situation came out like a scam. XD
Skins are exactly what I was thinking of too. Specifically, I really want Kuro to bring in skin gachas like they have in PGR
im so impressed by this channel. Probably the best gacha CC rn. Most of them are just covering drama or react content which i find very lazy.
Maybe PC players didn't feel it that much, but man, for mobile players, it was absolutely atrocious. Hell, I just recently went back and it still feels like crap. But I don't hate the game. It's pretty cool all things considered.
I didn't think the launch was that rough. I'm playing on an iPhone 15 Plus, and after the first week, there were no more crashes or bugs. The game runs fine on that phone now and has since June. But for any rough patches at launch we were compensated so well in-game for putting up with it. It was like every day we got 1000 astrite, or 10 convenes, or 100,000 shell credits as an apology for something that was fixed.
I'm not going to be F2P because I want to support Kuro and incentivize bringing this game to PS5 or them implementing controller support for mobile (like a Backbone). Come on, Kuro! You can do it! :)
I hope this game gets supported on steam deck I wanna play it on it so bad
Coop is still a joke. Not too much to do for end game. Less to do if you're not a pay to win player. Plenty of bugs at a launch including a fuck of a memory leak.
tbf, co op is the one thing id say genshin handles objectively better and i think co op is basically useless in genshin beyond the few things that you can also do in wuwa. as for end game theres still more than genshin and there is some stuff to do just not a ton, starting a second account and doing a challenge run will always be the true endgame for games like wuwa and genshin
I wonder if revenue is the best metric to avaliate a gatcha Game's success 🤔
Well, what can I say? I play Genshin religiously for 2 years now...have 4 banner weapons + 1 signature, but the WRONG one (Got Liney's bow wishing for Yelan's).
I started Wuwewing Wawes in 1.1, its been what? 3 weeks? I already got Jinhsi + signature, Changli, Calcharo, Verina, Jianxin, and soon enough I'll hit lvl 45 and get ALL standard 5* weapons.
I recon I've been quite lucky with my weapon pulls but FFS, which so much generosity I feel oblied to show some gratitude to Kuro for the fun they've been providing the same way I did with Genshin for the beauty they provided in Genshin (scenary, music, etc).
So idk how "bad" the launch was, but the game is incredible for being this new, and I expect it to improve once the money rolls in, IF they're not fools.
I wished they stop making aerial dancing combat though, both Jinhsi and Changli drunk attack in the sky is getting a bit annoying.
with respect, the performance issues are a real thing. it's not excusable to say that these people have outdated hardware since the game doesn't really look that much better than the 4 year-old genshin impact. even with modern hardware the game still stutters too much. I love Wuwa more than every other gacha game rn but the performance is really shitty that's just a fact
I've spent at least 6k USD on Genshin and played since it's launch but uninstalled it a month ago. I've been treating wuwa as my main gacha game simply because I found it more respectful to both my time and money. Although wuwa's launch wasn't perfect, there has been so much improvement in such a short amount of time. And not to mention the dev team also listens to it's GLOBAL audience and not just their CN audience alone. Genshin's devs only make changes for their CN players and don't give a shit about anyone else. It feels nice to finally be heard.
Yo you should be careful of your spending habits. I mean 6k for a game? I'll be worried if I were you.
@Rantinggrounds Thanks for your concern, but you dont need to worry. I can afford it, and treated it as my main hobby. I have changed spending to a dolphin now since I've picked up other hobbies if that puts you more at ease.
Facts it's like dr disrespect came out most of them talk about it, but when zzz the performance is bad only in tiktok talks about how bad it is even now zzz is 3.7 rating in my region.
ZZZ performance is better than genshin and WuWa bc its not an open world, its just that there’s less compatible devices if i remember good, thats why i got an iphone tbh to not get dumb issues, WuWa even when the performance left a lot tk he desired it ran pretty well, genshin and ZZZ also ran perfectly
Just play zzz for 6 decades and get level/dps checked by the sponge endgame it becomes not button mash!!11!!
@NFYT ratings say it all how bad was the performance in ZZZ with no compensation 🫡. For me they are just the same when it's comes to performance issue when it release it's just those haters doompost in every social site when comes to wuwa. They even removed low end device to control the rating in zzz it's incompatible after a day😅.
i was completely f2p on genshin from 1.6 to i’d say around 2.4? and i dropped that game SO fast. when it comes to wuwa, i actually havent had any performance issues despite playing on mobile and ive spent $80 on it since i started. i felt comfortable spending my money because i knew that yes, i technically didn’t need it, but the reward that wuthering waves gives on stuff like the weapon banner compared to genshin is just SO MUCH MORE.
Remember that Kuro game change the entire game and using Unreal Engine. Devs constantly listen to player feedbacks. But still not able to impress everyone. There is still a lot of things to improved. Perhaps that is why wuwa get the current state. It is just the beginning. Hope kuro game can do better. Just keep support wuwa.
Bad is understatement, it was horrendously bad launch and the game is still filled with bugs
Mf what bugs?
@@IndetJungfd mf what bugs? The game is filled with bugs on top of bugs, u get bug fixes astritee every other day when came out . Don't try playing smart with me , I been playing since day 1 hour 1
@@user-og9nl5mt1b Clown is still stuck on the first month loop lmao
@@user-og9nl5mt1b meanwhile ive been enjoying all of these "bugs" because i havent seen a single one yet and i keep getting pulls for problems i dont have
i'm glad people don't think the game had a bad launch but i don't think many Wuwa players really cared. Wuwa feels like a breath of fresh air when it comes to gacha even though it still has some big issues.
The multiplayer for example is the same or in some cases worse than Genshin, pulls are still as expensive as any other gacha game, rewards have slowed down considerably from launch, if the weapon banner can be guaranteed then why not the character banner, etc.
I'm not saying these points make Wuwa a bad game, in contrary I genuinely love Wuwa in general, bit it does still have some of the pain points that give gacha games a bad rep
i really do hope this game succeeds in the long run
to the optimization claims, there were some valid complaints
i mean i use a fricken rx6700xt and even i struggled to hit 60fps at launch, not to mention the choppy gameplay and the fact that, even tho i set res to 1080p, IT QUITE LITERALLY LOOKED LIKE I WAS RUNNING IT AT 720P
this was really annoying
not to say that a lot of people were making most of the noise coz their devices were just outdated, but not all the complaints were invalid
I love Wuthering waves
I could never get into anything Mihoyo simply because I never got lucky in their Gacha. My Wuwa journey started off rough, but my luck came back and for that, I'm happy.
Kinda taking the opportunity to jump on "hoyo shills" as well here tbh, I've encountered multiple cases of people with good pc's struggling with the same performance issues on wuthering waves launch. It was not a baby mode outcry and even then shouldn't be considered as such. Gatekeeping 4 year old devices is pretty wild in the first place.
@@foxiki387 guy doesnt even know what gatekeeping means.
What u referring to is barrier to entry and even zzz did it to older phones. The point made is that wuwa didnt do that so people complained more
@@Fiberpills I'm not referring to Kuro, if their scope outpaced a device it is what it is. I'm referring to the video arguing that peoples voices are invalid because they didn't upgrade a device before its expected lifetime should even be over just so they can play one specific title.
no problem with my s20 ultra phone and old i5 16GB pc with only a 2060 super
5:30 that's a huge problem because it not a free weapon and customer spend real money on it and don't get what it said to do even if it better or worse than it advertises.
And it happened TWICE! and some cons I don't know if they got fixed or not like aalto's c6 where it's crit rate but if you translate to CN it says atk%.
The weapons were jiyan and Yinlin's
After playing wuwa, its just really hard to go back to GI, the QL that I experienced in wuwa was enough for me to drop the other game permanently. I just feel like im in slow motion mode... I dont even think of checking the 5.0 since its kinda useless for me to install just to peek since im 100% sure that ill end up dropping it again. And when it regards with spending to support wuwa, 100% sure. For me they just deserve it.
The apologism for the technical state of the launch is ridiculous. I am running the current flagship Android SoC and it was a stuttering mess at launch. Unless you're getting paid by Kuro, don't defend poor technical performance.
That being said, it runs properly for me now. So yeah, it was definitely on the back end of the game somewhere.
its a mixed bag for me tbh, my pc handled WuWa launch terribly lots of issues and huge drops in performance but surprisingly my 3yr old mobile phone despite being stuck in low-medium settings it played fine with minimal performance drops the main issue was battery drain and it was to be expected a SD870 is pushed hard with WuWa
So the compensation rewards was a real treat for me especially the plenty of astrites, additional pulls and the free 5* selector (FREE VERINA!!)
The way Kuro handled it solidified my position that I will support them the way I supported PGR they know how to treat the playerbase well
PC has become better with 1.1, I do find myself playing on mobile a bit more due to schedule/work and surprisingly it plays better as well
I was expecting to completely dial it down to very low and 24-30fps but can still keep it in medium at 45fps still plenty playable
I tried to reinstall genshin on my phone after 1 years not playing it and the graphics optimization is still strong in 60fps high settings. While Wuthering I put on medium 60fps, it's still can't maintain that juicy 60s. I hope they can fix this.
I've used a low-end Android phone itel and doesn't have any issues at all except from some stutters. Also my Samsung and iphone has no problems playing it during launch.
To be honest, they made Wuthering Waves better than Genshin in terms of way better Gacha Rates and Gameplay that i literally uninstalled Genshin of how mid it looks like now after playing WuWa.
It's literally cheaper by 50% Price to S6 WuWa than in Genshin and S6 my Jinhsi and Changli ❤ I just need to pull up to S4 and 2 copies are already provided in the shop Free to S6 them❤
WuWa is overall a fantastic game and I'm hooked, but the devs delaying the controller support for mobile they promised they'd deliver drives me absolutely nuts. Seriously why?
If there is some kind of pvp in this game, it could change everything.
As much as i enjoy wuwa but the game had way bad optimization at launch, I don't think just having outdated specs was the main reason
atm im just hoping wuwa can do fine until it can last, yes I won't deny the game won't be as popular as genshin(yea im just taking grain of salt atm), but do I play the game? yes I do, do i enjoy it? yes I do, and if I find the game enojyable, i will stick with it til the end. The game may not be perfect but its something I can enjoy, and hope for the best that Wuwa can last, and guys, as a community in Wuwa, let's not get provoke by other communities talking trash bout wuwa or us as part of the community/players trash talking about other games(prob mostly Mihoyo games), its better for us to just stick with whatever and whichever games we're playing. Cause in the end, we play the games to enjoy them, not to wage war, especially when these are GACHA games.
I played genshin since month 1 of release and to be honest I was blown away by the "generosity" of genshin when it comes to 5 star why you ask? I came from Fate/Grand Order (context when I started no pity but had Pity next month after I started F/GO at 330th pull so many 5 star weapon & character that range from useful to dirt poor level) then when I played Star rail on month 3rd-4th of release I was given a waking call cause of how much better the banner system in that game and see first hand the pitiful state of genshin's quality of life, then when waiting for WuWa I played Nikke and saw first hand what a decent developer's anniversary gifts are (it didn't help that I still remember the 3rd year anniversary when 1.5 anni of nikke is happening), then I played WuWa the game keeps giving me 5 star first 5 star Verina in 10 draws for beginners, then Calcharo, then Jiyan, then Encore for free, then Lingyang and another Encore from losing in character banner for Yinlin but they do give me Jinshi her signiture, and Changli with signiture, without spending anything (I also got Zhizi yesterday) and I immediately know Wuwa isn't gonna be making money anything close to Genshin I still remember the Staff of Homeless and how terrible that is and how scary the weapon banner in Genshin is WuWa Will not overthrow Genshin(atleast for the time being) but it won't die easily a good developer is usually awarded by loyal playerbase And for these reasons I will play wuwa till the game dies it move to my top 3 games I will not uninstall (F/GO is 1st cause I have a Stockholm syndrome with it they abuse me too but I never spent any money on the game and I still have almost all the best supports except waver and summer skadi and have decent DPS with my np5 Muramasa send HELP and probably send some dragon claws too while you're at it preferably the Dragon Claws)
that's what i'm thinking, their gacha system is literally save a hundreds of dollars for whale player just to get 2 copies from gacha.... to flex tape that issue they simply selling a characters skin just like what they did in PGR, it's a win win but idk why they took too long to release a paid skin
There is one more issue that I have personally faced. I am genuinely impressed by the game so far and wanted to support based on the current content we have. I tried to do a payment but the payment channel is too scuffed. I kept getting my payment decline. I had to go through the extra struggle of opening a valid paypal account just to get my payment working.
I think the worse thing i had from the game on launch was the game refusing to download and being stuck at 99% with every time i restarted it started downloading again from 70ish. Outside of that, its better than genshin for sure.
This gacha system that hoyo popularized tho. Sucks that even kuro adopted it now. Both hoyo and kuro have way better gacha systems in HI3rd and PGR. And the story is pretty meh so far. I dont like how the MC is constantly put on a pedestal by everyone around em. But iirc, thats specifically what the CN side asked for. And some of the charas, particularly 4 star ones dont seem to play amy significant role even when introduced. Hopefully they develop them more like HI3rd and PGar do
My old AF PC with a 4770k and a Vega 56 ran it just fine and thank god the spending is so comfy since I end up spending on PGR anyways lol
I knew damn well my i5-2500 will not bear well 😂, BUT damn i still could enjoy the game, after a few hours the game runs 60fps stable, and now in 1.2 i have no performance issues, and the loading screens are even way shorter when it started
I5-2500, OLD AS HELL
The issues were either fucked GPU driver installs (which ddu fixed) or just bad hardware.
Wuwa gameplay doesn’t feel repetitive, there’s always something I can do to play better: like doing a swap cancel more optimally, doing a rotation more optimally, many things I can do to play better and the combat is so satisfying.
KURO SHILL MAD THAT THEIR GAME AIN'T MAKING HOYO BUCKS. SORRY BUT YOUR FAVORITE GAME JUST SUCKS 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Two bad things :
1. Performance optimization it will help so we can play game longer
2. Texture distance rendering issue, it have lower than genshin but genshin latest patch have this issue too
Dunno how the mobile experience is but i havent experienced a single big issue that comes to mind, i have a 5 year old msi laptop. So many of these genshin drones just decide to completely ignore how outragiously bad the 1.0 was in genshin, complete snorefest story, tragic banners and and no way to skip the story. I gave genshin 3 years of hope and it delivered on nothing. Stop coping and accept that someone else has done the genre better
i only heard of wuthering waves bcuz of dicktone and im loving the game
Wuwa focused video + ZZZ theme on endscreen
4:40 wrong! my X4 pro and Neo7 have more than enough of the minimum requirements and still cant run Wuwa smoothly on lowest settings. whereas my moms A13 manages to run it decently on mid settings which is far worse than neo7. Dont just assume things.
It doesnt run on most xiaomi and other chinese mid ranged devices smoothly
Yeah it is. I was excited fo nothing. The performance was really horrible. I really don't care about free stuff. I just want to play.
it's really good now
It's fine now tho
The fact that he blame people hardware when the optimization on this game are sht truly comical 🤣
Kurobot really living in the echo chamber. Explain why there is so many hotfix when the game got release. 😂
@@harfi212 is*
"now"
I think I'm about done with Genshin because of Wuwa. Wuwa feels like the game where the devs played Genshin and said let's get rid of all the boring crap. I tried to ignore the forced co op minigames, tower defense and windtrace but all I was left with was pull new characters and farm artifacts. When I lost my 5th 50/50 to a C5 Jean during Arlecchino's banner, I basically said screw this I'm not forcing myself to play for peanut pulls. Luckily I look forward to story, Illusive Realm updates, and even managed to get two limited 5 stars (Yinlin & S1 Changli) and their weapons so Kuro has grabbed me already.
Now when I think about returning to Genshin for Natlan, my mind thinks nah I can play Wuwa instead lol. I'm sticking to Star Rail though since I'm big on turn based games already.
played on pc no issues since day 1, i agree mobile has issues my phone poco f3 quite old using snapdragon 870. PC superior
As a gamer and Genshin player since first Kokomi's banner (currently in WuWa) I diagnosed Genshin with 2006 Sonic The Hedgehog syndrome, a game that is tiring, raging, broken and boring at some point, but hey the OST is really good XD
To be fair, Hoyo community who hates on WuWa probably are just a minority since you can even recall their names as they are the same person hating over and over lol.
But it's even worse vice versa. Ever since beta people were bashing genshin nonstop and praising wuwa as "the genshin killer" and even to this day comments kept rolling in as such. The only reason people pushed back is because the launch for wuwa was a disaster and the story is still absolute garbage.
It is, genshin community is over 60 Million players monthly, they’re too busy playing the game or doing their lives since its a casual game until they add their simulated universe or whatever, these videos have like 10-40K views each, its literally impossible for most genshin community to hate on it, its just vocal minority, just like when ppl said that wuwa was going to destroy ZZZ and then ZZZ literally doubled wuwa’s first patch, and then they moved the goalpost saying that it’ll die eventually it was actually hilarious tho 😭
@@nobody-xh6ii it's those CC's who farm dramas fault. They are the one initiating the bandwagon.
I'm not aware of this toxicity in gacha community prior to WuWa because since launch WuWa is regularly been hated. Probably around that time, there are more haters. Now, it subsides I think but still regularly hated.
I want WuWa players to be nice on Hoyo players as well. But it's not within my control so I won't stress over it lol.
How about you? Will you continue hating on WuWa just for that reason? I think it's shallow and will only add stress into your life instead of enjoying and playing your Genshin.
Think of those Genshin players who don't hate WuWa or any other games and just play their game at peace. See how fun is that.
I mean I kept reading hate comments on WuWa even though I'm on the official page of WuWa (just what a WuWa hater even doing in that page lol), but I just ignore them and like I said it's just the same person who does that, they are few lol.
PS: If you're saying that story was garbage or you don't like its gameplay. I'm not saying you're a hater. It's just not your preference and I understand that. You probably know what I mean on the hater part as you can see it in their message.
I don't like neither community. Wuwa community came from salty ex genshin players who disrespect player's criticism towards the game.
I have an S23 Ultra and this game runs like garbage for me. Just using Inferno Rider is jittery and stuttery.
According to my point of view his launch is very disaster for genshin ❤ but they should focus on map parts more and exploration . As a open world game ❤❤
Wuwa Run smoothly on my INFINIX GT20pro (Mediatek 8200)~ combined it with GameSir G8, Not much problem on my PC with 3060ti too on High setting 1440p
Does it even make sense to look at revenue for WuWa if those numbers are mobile only? I'd never play it without controller support
I had the same problem playing zzz and wuwa when I first came out with poor performance. Now I can't install zzz due to device issues but I can install wuwa on my phone and can play it on very low settings.
Yes the game was a disaster on launch. And if you think its peoples fault that their game had issues because of hardware. You have the worst take in the whole community. A game that is poorly optimized is unacceptable and they fked up by not letting the game cook longer. If wuwa had released with no performance issues it wouldve been WAY more acclaimed and wouldve hit hoyo games way more.
Story has gotten better this patch but man its not a high bar considering how bad the first chapter is.
The only saving grace IS the combat and characters. They cooked with Changlis design. But now wuwa is just another flavor of open world combat game.
1.1 was also short asf for 7 weeks long. Heres hoping i get to do something for 1.2
Great video as usual. Playing WuWa giving players the care and attention we needed. Kuro really takes care of their players and even improving patch by patch starting from their echo farming QoL. Kudos to this
It's a good (r)ole (p)laying (g)ame game
My honest wish is that they go the FGO route for Anni and New Year banners GSSR, gimme those and my wallet is yours, Kuro!
More Wuwa content plsss love your vids
thanks a bunch for this, twas just a whole buncha load of fax 🔥🔥
More like copium hard after that changli flop banner 🤭
@harfi212 Then why are you here commenting? Do you have anything better to do?
Of course not, you're engaging in gacha tribalism so congratulations for that.
@@ImproperStandby sometimes the best that they can do is get your attention, dont mind lol
@TheButterGolemMC That's true, I keep forgetting that. They only exist to just amplify things.
in-depth content with clear presentation, good job
Just like they're said "Please spend responbility"
But it's not a first time,HI3 did it first doing "Please spend responbility" but they took the word and no more motto "Otaku save the world" because the chaos of genshin treatment make mihoyo looks like a bad company and greed and yet otaku for now just a machine for printing money and profit to them.
Maybe kuro games would make something different,but for now i enjoyed the game so far.Monthly and battle pass kinda worth to spend,f2p friendly gacha and "skill" based gacha games.
Again it's business gacha games,bad launch without good respond/compesation will not save them even died at launch.
You didn't mention that Wuthering Waves lost the 2 top days of the Changli banner.
...he did...
he did
@@tetraavalon3664 @ayaya_uwuwuwuyourhead2698 my attention span sucks, thanks guys
I might be too late
3:55 LOL, so it''s players' fault that Kuro launched poorly narrated nd badly optimised beta version as a final product - we, players are stupid, can't read istructions and are too poor to buy top class gaming PCs to be able to play WuWa :D Saintonas, cut the copium.