I have both reels and I agree with you’re assessment on both. Biggest draw back on both is the finish on the zillion and the handle on the bantam (hg model). Biggest strengths Zillion is so easy to use even when you make a mistake and throw a stupid cast. Bantam casts a mile, smooth as silk and feels like it’ll last over a decade. I think the zillion is a little more fun to use and is more versatile and the bantam is the best reel for moving baits and covering water.
Really enjoyed your video...I was a Daiwa user for about 10 years when the tatula first came out and I absolutely loved the tatula(I find it the workhorse of the Daiwa line up, felt more durable). I tried the zillion and I loved how light it was(I am getting older and finding even an ounce lighter makes a difference). My first baitcaster ever was a Shimano coriolis, and the citica. I decided to go back to Shimano and purchased the new bantam, while quite a bit heavier I feel like I exert less effort to cast. I definitely agree that it's a lot easier to set up for the Daiwa..but once I got the Shimano dialed in I feel it is a lot easier to cast. I will use these two bantams I got for awhile to see how I like it..and then. maybe upgrade one of my bantams to a Metanium. Great video!!
The JDM Zillion is an excellent buy. For 230 dollars and the JDM is actually made in Japan, unlike the USDM that from Vietnam or Malaysia or somewhere.
My favorite reel, i just bought the jdm 21 zillion for $205 on amazon from japan. HD it in less than 2 weeks and it’s by far my favorite reel I’ve ever owned. Beautiful buttery smooth reel. Can throw anything from extremely light weight lures to heavy
Great vid! Thought I should add a couple points to each reel. T Wing on zillion is a pain if you fish braid to leader. One piece construction of Bantam makes it perfect for heavy baits that displace a lot of water (deeper cranks and larger swimbaits), however, it may be a little over kill for standard techniques. Love these reels because to me they don't necessarily compete as they excel in different roles. Draw all day long
I fish exclusively braid to leader. I'm an inshore fisherman on the Texas coast. We tie leader that are 2 to 4 feet in length. The knot never gets close to the reel. How long of a leader are you tying?
@@ETuss713 think the most i can get away with is like 5-6 feet. Which can definitely be enough leader depending on technique and water clarity. Other thing to consider with shorter leader is having to re-tie connection knots more often. I fish up north/ Great lakes. Water here can have 30+ feet of vis. sometimes. I just don't have confidence with shorter leaders in those situations.
@@PunchFishing yeah the famous straight flouro vs. Braid to leader debate lol. In my life, the main factor is a lack baitcasting reels which force me to run braid to leader, so i can swap line size without changing the reel.
@@Joelflowers513 …and you‘re right to do so. I noticed a huge difference regarding my pike bites (I fish in Germany, no SMB, no LMB) in correlation to leader length (some of my lakes are gin clear). I use leader length up to 12 feet in such clear water. Maybe consider to use thinner lines (open water, no cover) and the TWS will work. If the knot stays thin I do not have any problem at all.
I own both and use them for heavy reeling resistance baits such as spinnerbaits and deep cranks. The Bantam feels more superior for the task. The bantam is also a little easier to breakdown and clean.
I own both as well and I have to say I agree with you. For that style of fishing, the bantam just feels superior. Reeling under heavy load, the bantam is the absolute best. Its buttery smooth, it's a torque monster, and cast a country mile. I could never pay more than 300 dollars for any diawa. Shimano has dc brakes so it's worth the extra coin when you get into the metanium dc and tge antares dc. The 2021 antares dc will out cast any reel on the market and by a considerable margin. I know this cause ive got most every high-end reel and I've tested them all. But the bantam is even smoother than my antares
You absolutely can’t go wrong with either reel. There both AMAZING!! Really love all my Steez reels and Zillions but damn Shimano is a super tuff reel to beat on reliability and smoothness.
Both solid reels imo. Bantams a better reel for cranking or throwing heavier stuff and the zillion is better for lighter stuff and skipping. Daiwa reels ore over braked in my opinion that's why they're easy to use. Matanium over both of them tho.
I've never had casting issues with the Zillions?! I hear a lot of people say Daiwas are overbraked...but I never get what they mean? What setting do you run them on? I run them on setting 2 personally. Never over 4, because of course they'll be overbraked that way.
@Benjamin-S overbrake like at the end of ur cast it continues to brake while on a shimano the brakes pretty much shut off and extends the length of ur cast
Thanks for the Bantam info! I got one and it's awesome! I hate the spool adjustments. It took 20 minutes to figure it out, but it casts smooth and is a beast with chatterbaits!
Thanks for a good comparison . The 22 Bantam XG "JDM" is awesome, and has a great price too! I was concerned about the side plate dial adjustment and removing the side plate to adjust the brakes after watching this video. After using it, I found it to be very easy and a non-issue. It cast a country mile! Buttery smooth and rock solid feel. It balances my nrx+ 893c jwr, 877 crr, and 903c mbr nicely as well. For those who are concerned about the dial and brake adjustment, I wouldn't worry too much about that. I actually like how it locks up solid. Once it is set, I find the dial allows enough adjustment for different situations without having to remove the side plate. The reel performs better than what I hoped for, and more will be added soon!
JDM metanium is currently cheaper than the JDM Bantam. Makes it tough to not just get the metanium. I'd still buy the Zillion over both. I've gotten rid of my metaniums to get more zillions.
These reels are both so good that I think it comes down to your “gear philosophy” as an angler. If you want a reel that you can put to work for you, lighten the load of fishing and make life as easy as possible, you go with the Daiwa. Then there’s the other type of gear guy like me. Back in the 90s, I learned how to cast on a beat up abu ambassador that was missing its spool tension knob…I had no idea that “brakes” even existed when I was a kid. Consequently, I like a lively reel that lets me get the most out of my thumb…so I’m mostly on shimanos. It just depends on the type of gear your neurons got used to when you were learning.
It's interesting. I prefer lively and airy reels as well, but I gravitate the most toward's Daiwa's brakes. On the Zillion, I run it on setting 2 and use a lot of thumb to feather my cast and it definitely casts way better than my Bantam. I like the Bantam. and it casts nicely. The Zillion is just a bit more effortless. Same with my Daiwa Alphas CT SV compared to my buddy's Aldebaran. Maybe we're throwing really different baits for such a different result?
Love the Zillion, Zillion HD, and if you're lucky enough to have one, the SLP WORKS ZILLION is arguably one of the best baitcasters ever produced. Unreal
@@PunchFishing If you don't manage to source Zillion SLP I highly recommend the Gancraft/ Daiwa Mago 001 and 003 SLP Works models. Simply incredible Hot Rod versions of the Tatula. I can't even count how many Muskie hit my baits while I bass fish with the 003. I haven't even maintained it at all since 2019 and it still works flawlessly.
They're both amazing reels. But zillion is much lighter, supports a shitton of custom spools if you're into that and has smoother and way stronger gear set that ain't gonna be buzzy within a year of use.
@@jimmypage279 OK. And what does your infinite drive does for you? You sound like you're getting farmed by marketing terms, and you don't even know what it means.
@@Virtue_Signaling_Land_Whale I own both and the torque on the Bantam is amazing. Try throwing a 1/2-3/4 oz. Spinnerbait on the Zillion and you'll see the difference. I use my Zillion more for Jerkbaits, topwater. More finesse and the Bantam for more power baits. Both fantastic reels.
@@philipfalco7304 As a matter of fact, i do use a bunch of 3/4oz spinnerbaits on the zillion, and torque has always been a strong point of any zillions. If Shimano micro gears weren't going buzzy so quickly, i'd say that the Bantam is better for high resistance technics like deep cranking, but because their gears are complete trash, i honestly see no reason to ever use it over a Zillion or a Steez A. Shimano needs to leave that gimmick of micro gears and create large gear teeth like what the zillion has cuz at this point they don't even have the smoothness advantage Shimano used to have.
Went from Daiwa to Shimano and nevered look back, mine was Steez SV TWS to Antares 21 DC. Similiar to my fishing rod I switch from Dobyns Xtacy to Gloomis NRX made a great choice
I love my zillion. It’s my favorite reel and I’m a tackle junkie with high end gear. The paint finish is probably the worse I’ve ever experienced in a reel. You can chip it off with your nail. Performance wise I always say it’s the best all around reel available in its price range. Maybe in any price range
Thanks for this video. I love the level of detail you provide in your reviews. I’ve always been a Shimano guy. Never used any other brand of reel, until this year when I tried to learn how to skip with my Metanium DC’s. After a few blow ups, I decided my skill level (Or lack thereof) required me to have a braking system with more adjustability. Enter the Tatula SV TW 103 (2017 version, not the newer lighter one). I was blown away and skipping consistently in less than a half hour, gradually working the brakes down to around 10-11. Since then I’ve been eyeing the Zillion SV TW as my next reel. Don’t get me wrong, I still love my Shimano’s. I’m just more willing to broaden my horizons. At the end of the day, it’s about what gear is going to give me the most enjoyable fishing experience in a given situation or technique (and hopefully catch more fish).
I own 2 bantam, a zillion g, numerous steez A and SV tws, 16 metanium mgl a 19 anateres. In terms of refinement that bantam is super heavy duty I love it for jigs and throwing heavier jigs and flutter spoon. The Zillion I haven't spent too much time with it which I should. I love shimano but Daiwa are just soo much easier to use. And that is why I sold all my 2020 metanium those reels are alright.
You will love it❣️I have lots of Shimano & Daiwa reels. The Zillion is my favorite, tho I haven’t tried a Steez or any Shimano above the Chronarch. The finish on the Zillion is as mentioned in the video. No matter how careful you are, the finish will get scratches.
My experience between Metanium B and Zillion is that the Zillion feels and looks great but ultimately cannot handle long casting light baits as well as the Metanium. Anything below 1/4 oz and it starts getting iffy without a lot of brakes. The Zillion is good if you’re mostly casting jigs and lures over 5/16 oz but the Bantam is Good-er below that weight.
I have a zillion TW hd 1000 XH Japan model and it’s amazing so far (6 months) 1/2 oz jackhammers and spinnerbaits with ease.I use it over my metanium all the time.I think I’m going to grab another one it’s so nice
I agree with you, Daiwa almost ready to go out of the box and Shimano tricky to dial but when it's tuned they are amazing. Since for my bottom contact techniques I use braid to fluoro leader I use Shimano 'cause all the Daiwa suck due to the T-Wing that traps the connection knot. So Daiwa Elite are my reels for squarebill, deep crank and SB where I use only fluoro. Best bang for the buck the SLX, amazing for $80, I still love all my Chronarch MGL and very satisfied and impressed with Aldebaran MGL, they are on my jerkbait and finesse bc rod
I'm gonna have to agree with you. The slx is the best bang for the buck. I would even say the slx xt is one of the best bang for the buck reels. I've got bantam, antares, and tatula elites and I still pick up my old trusty slx and slx xt.
Thanks for the comparison! Totally agree with the finish on the Zillion but then again my Metanium Mgl is brushed up but still smooth and going strong! Happy Holiday season! Great watching the 3hr+ hr live with Hellabass!
Brian Another master class in equipment review. The Metanium comparison is a nice touch. Great live with Rich the other night Hope you had fun at the Vikings game
Good review. I own both those reels, and they are great in their own ways. You are 100% correct on the daiwa paint. I don't baby my reels, but I do my best not to scratch them. The zillion picks up scratches like no other. While kayak fishing, the zillion barely brushed against a tree branch, and a portion of the paint is just gone. I own a chronarch that has been through hell and back, and the paint is still unscathed.
If you like the audible drag the Zillion has it and is the way to go. Better for lighter baits also. Power fishing I think the Bantam has an minor advantage.
Hmm, I own the Zillion SV JDM lighter gear version, I find more comfortable palming my Steez SV and A but love all of em. Dont' have a Bantam but about every other Shimano.
I only gravitate towards the zillion cause you can get it less than retail all year with the punch code 👊🏼…….and I’d consider myself more of a shimano fan boy
Zillion sv tw is good and has a lot of nice features. It is however not in the same league as Shimano when it comes to smoothness. And US videos are pretty locked in on the price point of these reels which are a bit off when compared to the rest of the world. More and more US fishermen are finding that shopping outside the US can save them a lot of money, and actually will get you a Metanium for the same price as the Zillion. And makes the Metanium fight in the same price category as both of the reels in this video. My Metanium is well-behaved, outcasts the Zillion and feels waaay smoother. Wish it had a drag clicker.. 😅
Really? I disagree with this. My Zillions are as smooth as the Daiwa Steez and the Shimano Antares. Like, I fished them side by side and di not feel a difference. The Metanium is really refined, sure, but it definitely felt "buzzier." It's like micro module changed the pitch of the gears, rather than make it smoother, if that makes sense. Then, the gears in both reels are good. But my experience is the other way around from yours.
I like both reels, but I have found one little annoying feature that effects my fishing day with the Metanium. On a cool, cold fishing day, after you have caught a few bass, my casting hand “thumb” becomes real sore by days end by rubbing the rubber surface thumb bar. That rubber surface almost rubs a thumb blister. I would prefer a solid smooth metal surface. If I was a multi day tournament angler, after a couple days, I wouldn’t want to fish the Metanium after the first day.
All the bad thing u said on bantam...i love it. the detachable cover is good for servicing of bearing..btw how many time do u remove cover during fishing. only bad thing is no drag sound
I have 4 Zillion SV's and 1 Metanium. I honestly thought the Metanium would be a Great reel, I picked it up even though all my reels are Daiwa because I figured ya can't go wrong with the Met. . I was so wrong, I do not enjoy fishing it at all. I have them each on the same model rod and I use them for spinnerbaits, one for me and one for my wife. When she isn't in the boat I always use her setup. Just cannot get it dialed in and it does not feel nearly as refined as the Zillion. I'm not a newbie and I do know what I'm doing... I'll be picking up another Zillion to replace it and maybe just stick it on a spare rod somewhere.
Looking Back to the early 1970's you were lucky if your reel had a 4:1 hear ratio. These reels came.with tiny reel handles. This was done so you could crank faster. Shimano may still think like this. As far as your reel assessments I agree on.all points. I also have both. In the last 5 years my reel purchases have been 3 to 1 Shimano to Daiwa. In general I think Shimano's are built stronger and Daiwa's are made lighter. I also think Daiwa uses more.parts in their reels. It's not a plus or minus just an observation. Thanks
I have the Zillion SV TW G and the HD. Personally the SV is my favorite reel of all time, but I don’t own the Bantum. Ugh might need to make another purchase lol
Hi there, I heard the Zillion was more fitted for 1/2oz lures and under… The Zillion had everything i want but most of my fishing will be with 1/2 to 1oz lures like spinnerbait, chatterbait, topwater, small/medium swimbaits… I was wondering how was your personnal experience throwing this range of lures with the Zillion SV? Is the Zillion SV HD more fitted in your opinion? Cheers!
Yo Brian, can you comment on the feel of the retrieve on the Bantam? Is it more in line with the Met or Curado 150? I'm not a fan of the disconnected feel of the Curado.
Hi i can cast 200 yards using spinning reel. I've heard bait caster cast further than spinning reel is it true? My specs is shimano stradic+12ftrod 18lb braid.
Hello, is there a way to buy one of the old NRX 872S from you? Ore can you pls give me a tip we're I can find one to buy? There is only one problem, the rod would have to be sent to Germany. Best regards Stephan
I think the Zillion excels at applications like casting jigs and all the way down to finesse applications, but I do not think it is sturdy enough or has the torque/power to hold up to frogging or punching with long term. I think the Bantam excels at that heavy stuff, but is not something I want to throw jerkbaits or light shakeyheads on
tryino to find the part where you talk ab out bantam mgl.. XD had quite a mess of birdnest with it ... hmm nott sure if it becoz it a "thin" braid issue (thou) 25lb ..by ygk xbraid. Had 3 brake on ... and casting around 15-28g lures ........blow up is mad. lol
I mean, I like to keep my stuff that I spend a lot of money on nice. It helps with future resale value, and I like taking care of my gear. Obviously that doesn't mean you have to do the same.
@@PunchFishing thx, 1 thing I love about all my daiwa reels is the fact that you can engage the reel by flipping up on the thumb bar. I flip with an sv tw 103. I'm hoping the bantam can be engaged the same way.
Zillion, because how easy it is to service the worm gear and line guide. You can even do it on the water. Just remove the o-ring, pop the pin out and remove the gunk that's stuck in there.
Don't understand the hype behind the zillion. IMO, minus the steez line, all of Daiwa's reels feel cheap and plasticky (star drag, thumb bar in particular on the zillion). I haven't touched mine in over a year since I bought it. Not enjoyable or comfortable to fish in my experience.
@@PunchFishing Ha I'm aware, that's why I'm commenting that I don't understand the hype. I have a steez A that I love and will fish until it breaks. But don't care for the zillion at all
I have the black 22 zillion hd tw 1000XH I just don’t like that silver color Gun metal color or flat black not light silver maybe matte gray color not light gray 👎 where is made in Thailand or Malaysia I know it American reel
Clicking drag is something I absolutely love for fishing lighter line or other species that actually pull hard
Fair point!
I have both reels and I agree with you’re assessment on both. Biggest draw back on both is the finish on the zillion and the handle on the bantam (hg model). Biggest strengths Zillion is so easy to use even when you make a mistake and throw a stupid cast. Bantam casts a mile, smooth as silk and feels like it’ll last over a decade. I think the zillion is a little more fun to use and is more versatile and the bantam is the best reel for moving baits and covering water.
Really enjoyed your video...I was a Daiwa user for about 10 years when the tatula first came out and I absolutely loved the tatula(I find it the workhorse of the Daiwa line up, felt more durable). I tried the zillion and I loved how light it was(I am getting older and finding even an ounce lighter makes a difference). My first baitcaster ever was a Shimano coriolis, and the citica. I decided to go back to Shimano and purchased the new bantam, while quite a bit heavier I feel like I exert less effort to cast. I definitely agree that it's a lot easier to set up for the Daiwa..but once I got the Shimano dialed in I feel it is a lot easier to cast. I will use these two bantams I got for awhile to see how I like it..and then. maybe upgrade one of my bantams to a Metanium. Great video!!
The JDM Zillion is an excellent buy. For 230 dollars and the JDM is actually made in Japan, unlike the USDM that from Vietnam or Malaysia or somewhere.
My favorite reel, i just bought the jdm 21 zillion for $205 on amazon from japan. HD it in less than 2 weeks and it’s by far my favorite reel I’ve ever owned. Beautiful buttery smooth reel. Can throw anything from extremely light weight lures to heavy
Great vid! Thought I should add a couple points to each reel. T Wing on zillion is a pain if you fish braid to leader. One piece construction of Bantam makes it perfect for heavy baits that displace a lot of water (deeper cranks and larger swimbaits), however, it may be a little over kill for standard techniques.
Love these reels because to me they don't necessarily compete as they excel in different roles. Draw all day long
I'm personally not a fan of braid to leader on casting. Great points though.
I fish exclusively braid to leader. I'm an inshore fisherman on the Texas coast. We tie leader that are 2 to 4 feet in length. The knot never gets close to the reel. How long of a leader are you tying?
@@ETuss713 think the most i can get away with is like 5-6 feet. Which can definitely be enough leader depending on technique and water clarity. Other thing to consider with shorter leader is having to re-tie connection knots more often.
I fish up north/ Great lakes. Water here can have 30+ feet of vis. sometimes. I just don't have confidence with shorter leaders in those situations.
@@PunchFishing yeah the famous straight flouro vs. Braid to leader debate lol. In my life, the main factor is a lack baitcasting reels which force me to run braid to leader, so i can swap line size without changing the reel.
@@Joelflowers513 …and you‘re right to do so. I noticed a huge difference regarding my pike bites (I fish in Germany, no SMB, no LMB) in correlation to leader length (some of my lakes are gin clear). I use leader length up to 12 feet in such clear water. Maybe consider to use thinner lines (open water, no cover) and the TWS will work. If the knot stays thin I do not have any problem at all.
I own both and use them for heavy reeling resistance baits such as spinnerbaits and deep cranks. The Bantam feels more superior for the task. The bantam is also a little easier to breakdown and clean.
Bantam doesn't cast as well as zillion :)
I own both as well and I have to say I agree with you. For that style of fishing, the bantam just feels superior. Reeling under heavy load, the bantam is the absolute best. Its buttery smooth, it's a torque monster, and cast a country mile. I could never pay more than 300 dollars for any diawa. Shimano has dc brakes so it's worth the extra coin when you get into the metanium dc and tge antares dc. The 2021 antares dc will out cast any reel on the market and by a considerable margin. I know this cause ive got most every high-end reel and I've tested them all. But the bantam is even smoother than my antares
@@wirinharwirjawan6422 mine casts like a dream.
You absolutely can’t go wrong with either reel. There both AMAZING!! Really love all my Steez reels and Zillions but damn Shimano is a super tuff reel to beat on reliability and smoothness.
Both solid reels imo. Bantams a better reel for cranking or throwing heavier stuff and the zillion is better for lighter stuff and skipping. Daiwa reels ore over braked in my opinion that's why they're easy to use. Matanium over both of them tho.
Have to respectfully disagree with you on the Met. :)
@PunchFishing what abt the metanium do u not like above them? Jus wondering
I've never had casting issues with the Zillions?! I hear a lot of people say Daiwas are overbraked...but I never get what they mean? What setting do you run them on? I run them on setting 2 personally. Never over 4, because of course they'll be overbraked that way.
@Benjamin-S overbrake like at the end of ur cast it continues to brake while on a shimano the brakes pretty much shut off and extends the length of ur cast
@@supatreyfi9770 I never have a problem with that. I probably have a more fitting casting technique for them.
Thanks for the Bantam info! I got one and it's awesome! I hate the spool adjustments. It took 20 minutes to figure it out, but it casts smooth and is a beast with chatterbaits!
So excited- just ordered my first real setup being a St Croix Legend Xtreme 7’1 MH/VF and a Zillion SV TW G 7.1:1 ❤
Thanks for a good comparison . The 22 Bantam XG "JDM" is awesome, and has a great price too! I was concerned about the side plate dial adjustment and removing the side plate to adjust the brakes after watching this video. After using it, I found it to be very easy and a non-issue. It cast a country mile! Buttery smooth and rock solid feel. It balances my nrx+ 893c jwr, 877 crr, and 903c mbr nicely as well. For those who are concerned about the dial and brake adjustment, I wouldn't worry too much about that. I actually like how it locks up solid. Once it is set, I find the dial allows enough adjustment for different situations without having to remove the side plate. The reel performs better than what I hoped for, and more will be added soon!
JDM metanium is currently cheaper than the JDM Bantam. Makes it tough to not just get the metanium. I'd still buy the Zillion over both. I've gotten rid of my metaniums to get more zillions.
Wise choice.
JDM or US Zillion 21 if cost isn’t a factor?
@@tvm2209 I prefer jdm. If ordered from digitaka it arrive in just a few days.
@@tvm2209 U.S. for the brass gearing if cost isn't a factor.
Great video Brian. Really can’t go wrong. I’ve got 3 zillions and had an 18 bantam, sounds like shimano made the 22 even better. Competition is good!
Agree!
These reels are both so good that I think it comes down to your “gear philosophy” as an angler. If you want a reel that you can put to work for you, lighten the load of fishing and make life as easy as possible, you go with the Daiwa. Then there’s the other type of gear guy like me. Back in the 90s, I learned how to cast on a beat up abu ambassador that was missing its spool tension knob…I had no idea that “brakes” even existed when I was a kid. Consequently, I like a lively reel that lets me get the most out of my thumb…so I’m mostly on shimanos. It just depends on the type of gear your neurons got used to when you were learning.
It's interesting. I prefer lively and airy reels as well, but I gravitate the most toward's Daiwa's brakes. On the Zillion, I run it on setting 2 and use a lot of thumb to feather my cast and it definitely casts way better than my Bantam. I like the Bantam. and it casts nicely. The Zillion is just a bit more effortless. Same with my Daiwa Alphas CT SV compared to my buddy's Aldebaran. Maybe we're throwing really different baits for such a different result?
Love the Zillion, Zillion HD, and if you're lucky enough to have one, the SLP WORKS ZILLION is arguably one of the best baitcasters ever produced. Unreal
I've been tempted to pick that SLP works up on a few occasions.
@@PunchFishing If you don't manage to source Zillion SLP I highly recommend the Gancraft/ Daiwa Mago 001 and 003 SLP Works models. Simply incredible Hot Rod versions of the Tatula. I can't even count how many Muskie hit my baits while I bass fish with the 003. I haven't even maintained it at all since 2019 and it still works flawlessly.
They're both amazing reels. But zillion is much lighter, supports a shitton of custom spools if you're into that and has smoother and way stronger gear set that ain't gonna be buzzy within a year of use.
not with infinity drive
@@jimmypage279 OK. And what does your infinite drive does for you? You sound like you're getting farmed by marketing terms, and you don't even know what it means.
@@Virtue_Signaling_Land_Whale I own both and the torque on the Bantam is amazing. Try throwing a 1/2-3/4 oz. Spinnerbait on the Zillion and you'll see the difference. I use my Zillion more for Jerkbaits, topwater. More finesse and the Bantam for more power baits. Both fantastic reels.
@@philipfalco7304 As a matter of fact, i do use a bunch of 3/4oz spinnerbaits on the zillion, and torque has always been a strong point of any zillions. If Shimano micro gears weren't going buzzy so quickly, i'd say that the Bantam is better for high resistance technics like deep cranking, but because their gears are complete trash, i honestly see no reason to ever use it over a Zillion or a Steez A. Shimano needs to leave that gimmick of micro gears and create large gear teeth like what the zillion has cuz at this point they don't even have the smoothness advantage Shimano used to have.
Went from Daiwa to Shimano and nevered look back, mine was Steez SV TWS to Antares 21 DC. Similiar to my fishing rod I switch from Dobyns Xtacy to Gloomis NRX made a great choice
I love my zillion. It’s my favorite reel and I’m a tackle junkie with high end gear. The paint finish is probably the worse I’ve ever experienced in a reel. You can chip it off with your nail. Performance wise I always say it’s the best all around reel available in its price range. Maybe in any price range
Thanks for this video. I love the level of detail you provide in your reviews. I’ve always been a Shimano guy. Never used any other brand of reel, until this year when I tried to learn how to skip with my Metanium DC’s. After a few blow ups, I decided my skill level (Or lack thereof) required me to have a braking system with more adjustability. Enter the Tatula SV TW 103 (2017 version, not the newer lighter one). I was blown away and skipping consistently in less than a half hour, gradually working the brakes down to around 10-11. Since then I’ve been eyeing the Zillion SV TW as my next reel. Don’t get me wrong, I still love my Shimano’s. I’m just more willing to broaden my horizons. At the end of the day, it’s about what gear is going to give me the most enjoyable fishing experience in a given situation or technique (and hopefully catch more fish).
I own 2 bantam, a zillion g, numerous steez A and SV tws, 16 metanium mgl a 19 anateres. In terms of refinement that bantam is super heavy duty I love it for jigs and throwing heavier jigs and flutter spoon. The Zillion I haven't spent too much time with it which I should. I love shimano but Daiwa are just soo much easier to use. And that is why I sold all my 2020 metanium those reels are alright.
Great comparison. I was looking at both and have decided on the Zillion. Think I will be pleased.
You will love it❣️I have lots of Shimano & Daiwa reels. The Zillion is my favorite, tho I haven’t tried a Steez or any Shimano above the Chronarch. The finish on the Zillion is as mentioned in the video. No matter how careful you are, the finish will get scratches.
My experience between Metanium B and Zillion is that the Zillion feels and looks great but ultimately cannot handle long casting light baits as well as the Metanium. Anything below 1/4 oz and it starts getting iffy without a lot of brakes. The Zillion is good if you’re mostly casting jigs and lures over 5/16 oz but the Bantam is Good-er below that weight.
Which would you say is more versatile for a single reel pole setup for freshwater bass fishing ponds and lakes mostly ?
Jdm Daiwa zillion 21 is by far my favorite reel. Best reel you can get for $200 by far. If you’re patient you can pick them up for $200
I have a zillion TW hd 1000 XH Japan model and it’s amazing so far (6 months) 1/2 oz jackhammers and spinnerbaits with ease.I use it over my metanium all the time.I think I’m going to grab another one it’s so nice
What is the maximum weight of bait you have cast with this reel?
I agree with you, Daiwa almost ready to go out of the box and Shimano tricky to dial but when it's tuned they are amazing. Since for my bottom contact techniques I use braid to fluoro leader I use Shimano 'cause all the Daiwa suck due to the T-Wing that traps the connection knot. So Daiwa Elite are my reels for squarebill, deep crank and SB where I use only fluoro. Best bang for the buck the SLX, amazing for $80, I still love all my Chronarch MGL and very satisfied and impressed with Aldebaran MGL, they are on my jerkbait and finesse bc rod
I'm gonna have to agree with you. The slx is the best bang for the buck. I would even say the slx xt is one of the best bang for the buck reels. I've got bantam, antares, and tatula elites and I still pick up my old trusty slx and slx xt.
The Zillion doesn't impress me that much but I love the audible drag
Thanks for the comparison! Totally agree with the finish on the Zillion but then again my Metanium Mgl is brushed up but still smooth and going strong! Happy Holiday season! Great watching the 3hr+ hr live with Hellabass!
Thanks for the support!
Brian Another master class in equipment review. The Metanium comparison is a nice touch.
Great live with Rich the other night
Hope you had fun at the Vikings game
Good review. I own both those reels, and they are great in their own ways. You are 100% correct on the daiwa paint. I don't baby my reels, but I do my best not to scratch them. The zillion picks up scratches like no other. While kayak fishing, the zillion barely brushed against a tree branch, and a portion of the paint is just gone. I own a chronarch that has been through hell and back, and the paint is still unscathed.
Bantam is nice but you are correct about the side plate and backlash setting being hard to see and use. Sort of cheaper out in that area
If you like the audible drag the Zillion has it and is the way to go. Better for lighter baits also. Power fishing I think the Bantam has an minor advantage.
Great stream with Hellabass. Shimano is almost always my preference. Have about 50/50 diawa/shimano.
Thanks for watching the stream!!
First thing I do to all my reels is change the handles. Varial handles and Knobs are astonishing!! Just hate the price…. 😮
Not going to purchase a bass reel over $200 but I thoroughly enjoy your higher end baitcaster reviews. (I don’t use spinning reels) 🤷🏻♂️
You should! Spinning rules.
@@PunchFishing I started with baitcasters and spinning reels just look suspect 🤷🏻♂️🤣
Hmm, I own the Zillion SV JDM lighter gear version, I find more comfortable palming my Steez SV and A but love all of em. Dont' have a Bantam but about every other Shimano.
I had both of these, kept the Zillion
Had the Metanium too, kept the Zillion
I only gravitate towards the zillion cause you can get it less than retail all year with the punch code 👊🏼…….and I’d consider myself more of a shimano fan boy
It is harder to snag a deal on the Bantam
You should do a review on the 19 antares A 70mgl
how far can you cast baby yoda?
With or without the force?
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He's not that test guy that walks a lot with a wheel. 😄
I miss your videos!!!
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Clicking drag is also good if you wanna do any bait fishing in addition
Happy thanksgivings everyone
They also are a heck of a lot cheaper if you order them from Japan!
Zillion sv tw is good and has a lot of nice features. It is however not in the same league as Shimano when it comes to smoothness. And US videos are pretty locked in on the price point of these reels which are a bit off when compared to the rest of the world. More and more US fishermen are finding that shopping outside the US can save them a lot of money, and actually will get you a Metanium for the same price as the Zillion. And makes the Metanium fight in the same price category as both of the reels in this video. My Metanium is well-behaved, outcasts the Zillion and feels waaay smoother. Wish it had a drag clicker.. 😅
I have multiple Zillions and Mets, and I disagree 100% that the Zillion isn't as smooth as the Mets.
@@TheWaymont to be clear, are you saying the zillion is as smooth as the metanium, or not as smooth? Think Lars is saying the Met is smoother.
Really? I disagree with this. My Zillions are as smooth as the Daiwa Steez and the Shimano Antares. Like, I fished them side by side and di not feel a difference. The Metanium is really refined, sure, but it definitely felt "buzzier." It's like micro module changed the pitch of the gears, rather than make it smoother, if that makes sense. Then, the gears in both reels are good. But my experience is the other way around from yours.
I went with the zillion when it was my choice!
I think I’m going to try one of these zillions this season.
And I really wish shimano would come out with an updated core.
Before I watch, I’ll say neither is better and both are reels you should have in your collection.
Wise man
…aaaand we came to the same conclusion
I like both reels, but I have found one little annoying feature that effects my fishing day with the Metanium. On a cool, cold fishing day, after you have caught a few bass, my casting hand “thumb” becomes real sore by days end by rubbing the rubber surface thumb bar. That rubber surface almost rubs a thumb blister. I would prefer a solid smooth metal surface. If I was a multi day tournament angler, after a couple days, I wouldn’t want to fish the Metanium after the first day.
JDM is the best deal hands down, i bought two Metanium of the price one, sorry i love high-end gear, but my pocket ain't deep
In your opinion, which one is better in terms of casting distances for weights 1/2 Oz. and up?
Excellent review really appreciate it thanks 👍
Thanks for watching!
All the bad thing u said on bantam...i love it. the detachable cover is good for servicing of bearing..btw how many time do u remove cover during fishing. only bad thing is no drag sound
Hey Brian, I just purchased the Bantam 151HG. Does the HG and the XG have the longer handle?
A had them both but after one week I sold shimano .zillion all day everyday
You can get that Shimano for $279 on tackle warehouse with the sale! The Shimano is the bomb!!!
TW showing full price for me. Am I missing something?
Pretty sure it’s the old model. Still a great reel but not the 2022 version
@@jnorman975 Tackle warehouse will not show the sale Until after you make the purchase. I'm pretty sure their black Friday sale is 20% off
@@bruceksdwilson 20% off all Shimano? Rods too?
Tw does have a few exceptions to the sale.
Are all your Bantams JDM? I thought the US models came with the bigger handle for the 6 and 7 gear. Thought the US model 8 gear got a 96mm.
the new bantams are 250-210 usd on jdm shops
I have 4 Zillion SV's and 1 Metanium. I honestly thought the Metanium would be a Great reel, I picked it up even though all my reels are Daiwa because I figured ya can't go wrong with the Met. . I was so wrong, I do not enjoy fishing it at all. I have them each on the same model rod and I use them for spinnerbaits, one for me and one for my wife. When she isn't in the boat I always use her setup. Just cannot get it dialed in and it does not feel nearly as refined as the Zillion. I'm not a newbie and I do know what I'm doing... I'll be picking up another Zillion to replace it and maybe just stick it on a spare rod somewhere.
I have both, they are both amazing reels, but the shimano is still a Lil better, but Daiwa is getting alot closer.
Looking Back to the early 1970's you were lucky if your reel had a 4:1 hear ratio. These reels came.with tiny reel handles. This was done so you could crank faster. Shimano may still think like this.
As far as your reel assessments I agree on.all points. I also have both. In the last 5 years my reel purchases have been 3 to 1 Shimano to Daiwa. In general I think Shimano's are built stronger and Daiwa's are made lighter. I also think Daiwa uses more.parts in their reels. It's not a plus or minus just an observation. Thanks
Shimano for the win, history repeats itself often between these two heavyweights
I have the Zillion SV TW G and the HD. Personally the SV is my favorite reel of all time, but I don’t own the Bantum. Ugh might need to make another purchase lol
What are your favorite reel covers?
Awesome infos and thanks so much.
Thanks for watching!
Anyone have any experience with the zillion for salmon fishing? Very interested
I use the zillion HD for coho drift fishing. Handles them extremely well. Love the reel.
ive got 3 Diawa reels with a bubbling finish. drives me nuts
Hi there,
I heard the Zillion was more fitted for 1/2oz lures and under… The Zillion had everything i want but most of my fishing will be with 1/2 to 1oz lures like spinnerbait, chatterbait, topwater, small/medium swimbaits… I was wondering how was your personnal experience throwing this range of lures with the Zillion SV? Is the Zillion SV HD more fitted in your opinion?
Cheers!
Zillion. All day every day 💪
Yo Brian, can you comment on the feel of the retrieve on the Bantam? Is it more in line with the Met or Curado 150? I'm not a fan of the disconnected feel of the Curado.
Cant go wrong with Daiwa or Shimano
What about Zillion HD? Thinking about the HD for my jig rod?
Can anybody tell me why the Zillion whistles when you make long casts? I started to notice it today.
Hi i can cast 200 yards using spinning reel. I've heard bait caster cast further than spinning reel is it true? My specs is shimano stradic+12ftrod 18lb braid.
Hello,
is there a way to buy one of the old NRX 872S from you? Ore can you pls give me a tip we're I can find one to buy? There is only one problem, the rod would have to be sent to Germany.
Best regards
Stephan
I think the Zillion excels at applications like casting jigs and all the way down to finesse applications, but I do not think it is sturdy enough or has the torque/power to hold up to frogging or punching with long term.
I think the Bantam excels at that heavy stuff, but is not something I want to throw jerkbaits or light shakeyheads on
With the brass gears I'm not sure why the Zillion wouldn't hold up to abuse. That's the main wear part.
@@PunchFishing something about the frame just doesn’t feel as solid to me. I think that’s why they were compelled to put out the HD version
“Pretty good deal” on JDM version: How about $100 less?! That’s pretty dang good. Just got mine. Haven’t fished it yet.
Would the casting distance be the same on the old and new bantam?
Honestly don't think there's a great answer on that. There's no real data. Maybe? Maybe not? Who knows.
czcams.com/video/XFav9v32tvo/video.html old bantam 38 meter. 2022 bantam 45 meter.
The new Bantam definitely cast's further than the old version. (MGL 3 spool).
tryino to find the part where you talk ab out bantam mgl.. XD had quite a mess of birdnest with it ... hmm nott sure if it becoz it a "thin" braid issue (thou) 25lb ..by ygk xbraid.
Had 3 brake on ... and casting around 15-28g lures ........blow up is mad. lol
Are you serious? Boat rash? Are you a fisherman or a collector? Function is what matters.
I mean, I like to keep my stuff that I spend a lot of money on nice. It helps with future resale value, and I like taking care of my gear. Obviously that doesn't mean you have to do the same.
JDM or US Zillion 21 if cost isn’t a factor and actually keeping the reel?
US, so you can get warranty coverage
Order JDM and save $100. They're both 200 and some change reels.
Just get both people you know you want to.
Which one for a dedicated frog rod
can't go wrong with either
@@PunchFishing thx, 1 thing I love about all my daiwa reels is the fact that you can engage the reel by flipping up on the thumb bar. I flip with an sv tw 103. I'm hoping the bantam can be engaged the same way.
Zillion, because how easy it is to service the worm gear and line guide. You can even do it on the water. Just remove the o-ring, pop the pin out and remove the gunk that's stuck in there.
Is the drag on the bantam equally as smooth as the met b?
yes
Ty
Jdm zillion made in Japan usdm zillion is made in Korea or something like that .
Hola guapa
U.S. version is made in Malasia; JDM version is made in Japan.
What real do you have on your NRX+873?
I was running the new Bantam on it this year in a 7 speed.
Cant you get a jdm zillion for about $250 on ebay brand new?
Maybe? Most people buy from Digitaka or Japan lure shop.
ebay is where I got mine from japan.
The JDM is a great deal but the U.S. version comes with stronger brass gearing and larger handles.
Those lost and founds 👀
good eye!! :)
Don't understand the hype behind the zillion. IMO, minus the steez line, all of Daiwa's reels feel cheap and plasticky (star drag, thumb bar in particular on the zillion). I haven't touched mine in over a year since I bought it. Not enjoyable or comfortable to fish in my experience.
You're definitely in the minority there.
@@PunchFishing Ha I'm aware, that's why I'm commenting that I don't understand the hype. I have a steez A that I love and will fish until it breaks. But don't care for the zillion at all
Where can someone find these Daiwa discount codes????
My Omnia codes work on Daiwa, the current one is OMPUNCH22DEC
I agree…that side plate is a mfr!
It is a huge PITA to put back on.
Better I watch this I'm going to say Zillion, ok let's see what you say 😊
I have the black 22 zillion hd tw 1000XH I just don’t like that silver color Gun metal color or flat black not light silver maybe matte gray color not light gray 👎 where is made in Thailand or Malaysia I know it American reel
Shimano anything you have to take apart to adjust is a joke Dawia all the way no contest in my book 👍👍👍
Daiwa principiantes novatos , shimanos profesionales 😎💪
Shimano Bantam A is def better it’s no competition
And why is that? What's your reasoning for it to be a no competition win?
@@Virtue_Signaling_Land_Whale He can't afford Daiwa?
Sorry about calling you a clown lastnight in the live I thought you were a bot they like to do that type of stuff