These soldiers are fighting a military ban
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Trump’s ban on transgender Americans joining the military is now in effect. Logan Ireland is one of nearly 15,000 transgender people currently serving in the US Military. Logan served in Afghanistan and has been outspoken about transgender rights. His wife Laila, a transgender woman, also served in the Army. Their request? For transgender soldiers to be given the same rights afforded to anyone willing and capable to serve their country. We traveled to Colorado to met the couple, as well as other members of the trans military community who are committed to pushing back on this policy.
SOURCES & FURTHER READING:
Pentagon transgender ban goes into effect
www.cnn.com/20...
5 Things to Know About DOD's New Policy on Military Service by Transgender Persons and Persons With Gender Dysphoria
www.defense.go...
New Rule for Transgender Troops: Stick to Your Birth Sex, or Leave
www.nytimes.co...
‘Transgender, at War and in Love’
www.nytimes.co...
Check out the feature documentary TransMilitary here: www.transmilita...
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As a retired veteran of 20 years in the US Army I have no issues with anyone who wants to serve their country. This report seems to only scratch the surface of being a transgender American. It's my understanding that there are 3 basic experiences of becoming transgender, those being socially, legally and medically. Now the first two should not be any problem and seem pretty simple and easy for the individual to live as a transgender in society to include the military. In my opinion, the third option isn't so easy and that's to medically change while serving in the military. I not for sure if the Military medical system has the capabilities to provide such services and could put a burden on both the system and the individual. While serving I have come across soldiers that had unique situations such has tiny feet that required special foot wear to ordered and provided at a much higher cost, and that it was cost effective to not have the soldier serve, or the solider that is over 7 feet tall requiring special sized uniforms, sleeping bags and beds and again considered cost effective not to remain in the military. I know these are odd examples but something that has to be considered. Last but not least, there will always be the soldiers that don't understand nor will comprehend the lifestyle choices of people and will have a negative reaction to it. As for the current administration, we should be more concerned that we have a commander in chief that runs our country via twitter than those who wish to serve their country no matter how they identify themselves.
It's really interesting to hear about the military making those calls. I'm new to this whole subject so please excuse me if I come off as really stupid. Do you think it's possible for people to come to a middle ground when it comes to transition? Like, the military will pay 30-50% for the surgery or something?
@@MegaGraceiscool no, right now it would give our opposition more power to discriminate, now if we were in a higher op-tempo like 2001-2004 or worse than I would say hell yeah, that would swell our ranks because these days I rarely see anyone who would serve, especially if it means combat
Sorry but transgender soldiers have no place in the military. This is not Walmart it's the military and we don't need to worry about this we need to train soldiers how to fight and kill.
@@xternalpunk Do you have an argument, mate? Or are you just making the baseless assertion that transgenders have low fighting ability?
I'm not saying they have a low fighting ability. Everyone is different so I can't say that. What I am saying is that the mentally unstable have no place in the military. If they wanna play Soldier they can play airsoft. I don't have the time or patience to deal with anymore issues from kids in this generation while I am training them how to be a Soldier in combat.
As a 1Sgt I have no problem with trans people in my company, as long as they get the job done and don't depend on special treatment (like seperate rooms, I already have to seperate women and men and I will not hussle with a third or fourth kind of room category).
You must be Navy or Airforce...
John Wanczowski Why?
@G that's bullshit as hell
go away karen
Their 3 year anniversary will be on the 10 year anneversary of Minecraft.
This man is a man. He is a strong and capable human being. Same goes for every other transgender person who wants to serve the military. There is no reason to exclude them.
"There is no reason to exclude them." What about their mental disorder?
Answer: he doesn't have one
It was cool until they played perfect by Ed Sheeran
That dude passes like a champ
Anyone wanting to fight is better than no one wanting to fight.
Mentally stable people wanting to fight is better than mentally ill people wanting to fight. And we have plenty mentally stable Americans willing to fight.
You need to understand the reasons the Trump administration and military commanders are restricting transgender service members. It is due to costs and pitfalls of logistics. It's not just that simple to say,moh yeah just serve, do your job and retire.
@@wondliii9046 Okay, yeah. I thought about that after writing my comment, but I didn't feel like editing.
@@bigphillyed The military is pretty retarded when it comes to who they let in. For awhile they were starting to kick out combat veterans, but since all they had was a green card they got booted. It isn't as cut and dry as you make it out to be.
I've seen men try and join the military who were in peak physical shape. They could run literally a 5 minute mile and lift 200 pounds easy. But oh since they had knee surgery as a kid, they're disqualified from military service. Or the kid who smoked pot one time but didn't wanna lie, oh your not suitable for military service.
The truth is the military is a bureaucratic shit show. If your not their idea of what a soldier, airmen, marine, etc should be, then your not making it in period.
Wondl iii
Read catch-22
See Mr. President, these are true/brave patriots who love this country and want to defend it rather than just rely on a fake doctor's report to get out of fighting for it.
Just because they are Patriots doesn't mean they should be allowed to serve. Who is responsible for their transition medical treatment? Them or the military? Why should tax payers be responsible for the extremely expensive cost of transition surgery and treatment? What about other soldiers, sailors, and marines who have to live and work in an environment they would feel uncomfortable with? Is it fair to offend others at the cost of not offending transgender people? There are a lot of pitfalls and hurdles that need to be addressed before transgender people can openly serve.
@@bigphillyed If the existence of trans people is offending to someone, that's their own problem.
@@Samarai-hf9si well that's the same as saying if trans people are offended by the way they are being treated then that's their problem. So which is it? Do we offend the few trans people, or do we offend the majority? There is no simple answer, and you simply cannot just force society to change overnight. So until we as a society can figure out a common middle ground to meet at, it's going to be tough for trans people in the military. It's sad, but that is just the world and reality we live in.
@@bigphillyed It's not trans people vs. the majority. Did you miss the statistic that 74% of Americans are okay with trans people serving?
@@MilesHacker wrong it was 70% SUPPORT transgender serving, and I never trust statistics coming from a source that has involvement in the topic. If that was a a statistic from some independent source I would be more open to giving it some power. Plus 70% of who? I can tell you from listening to debates, 70% of the entire country do not agree transgender should serve.
If you love the USA enough to fight for it I am for them. I'm straight but served with women and closet gays and they are great troops in my experience. They watched my back, I watched theirs. We serve our country, not a political agenda.
@USA#1 !! You will note I never said I approved of their lifestyle and wasn't afraid to let them know how I believed. I was taught many years ago that God hates sin but loves the sinner. While in the Corps and when I was a Cop I knew my fellow Marines and later Cops would watch my back. I trusted God to tell me who wouldn't. Those people I got rid of, legally.
I'm a bit iffy with this, I agree that transgender people should be able to serve in the war but at the same time if they currently have gender dysphoria then it could cause alot of stress for them in the military.
In the end I do think transgender people should be able to join, if they currently have gender dysphoria then maybe wait a few years before enrolling so the stress of that won't effect you when your in the military
You got me. You left out the word trans and I clicked on it thinking "ban on what?". I don't care about this, I'm a free man now. Whatever happens politically in the military doesn't matter. Combat always smooths out the unneeded politically correct kinks evenually. If it affects combat effectiveness, it'll be thrown out (or we'll throw out the lives of our troops instead). If it doesn't, then hooray for trans.
Couldn't this be evaluated in the normal assessment of combat/service readiness?
@@SirCutRy Yes it could be evaluated in training scenarios, but nothing is as cut and dry as real life.
So I don't get it. If the policy does not actually ban transgender from joining the military, only the ones that are not yet comfortable, why is it portrayed like a policy that does? I'm not from the US so please tell me if you have the time.
From what i understand at the time of the ban it was saying if you are transgender you have to join as your birth sex. So you technically could be trans and serve but cannot make any changes medically to your body for it. And think about it, logan looks like a man so it would be kind of absurd to expect him to shower with women right. But thats what would happen if u had medically transitioned and enlisted
No time to cure your problem at war zones.
Does transgender feel like the other sex?
Pretty much
I don't remember who said this, but I've heard that the best way to get on Americans' good side is to join the military. It's kinda taboo to hate on veterans. You can hate on the military itself, but nobody gives you sympathy if you attack veterans. Which is why putting such an emphasis on trans people in uniform is such a good play. "These people are putting their lives on the line for this country, and you refuse to allow them to have autonomy over their own bodies? Shame on you!"
Wow! You are so off base with that comment. No one is hating on transgender service members. The problems the Trump administration and military commanders is the costs of transition and the life long medical treatment needed for an elective procedure and option. It's the same with say a woman getting cosmetic surgery, private insurance companies do not cover that, nor should the military and taxpayers be responsible for transition or other medical issues associated with transgender issues. Then there is the whole shower and rest room issue. There are a lot of pitfalls the military needs to address before transgender service members can serve without incident. Transgender people need to be patient.
@@bigphillyed What I was trying to explain was that people are more open to supporting minority groups after they learn about their service. In fact, I even noted that the focus on veterans was a good play on the part of trans people to gain supporters. I didn't say I supported transpeople, nor did I say I was against them. I wasn't even talking about the costs of surgery or anything like that. Read the comment before jumping to conclusions.
@@MegaGraceiscool I didn't jump to conclusions, you made comments based on a news video that doesn't even show the reasons why transgender in the military is debated. You stated that "which is why putting such an emphasis on trans people in uniform is such a good play"! The emphasis and spot light on transgender in the military is not a good light right now, that's what the whole story was about, so how was it a good play? You do realize as of right now transgender people cannot list in the military, and those not identified medically will not be able to stay in the military unless they serve in the same gender they enlisted under. So again I ask, how is that a good play? Just because a person enlisted and served their country doesn't mean they can simply do whatever they want while actively serving. Their is rules, laws and standards for military personnel and currently those standards do not allow for personnel to enlist as a female and then identify as a Male, or vice versa. I simply tried to explain to you why that is the way it is. It is not just a simple thing to fix, there is a lot of issues the military needs to figure out before they can change that new regulation. Talking about making assumptions, well maybe your response was just because you couldn't understand the apparently clear objective I was making.
@@bigphillyed 1. My comment was based off what I heard (not the video) and I was applying that line of thinking to why some people would be swayed to support transpeople. Their plight- wanting to enlist or just wanting to stay in as their preferred gender- could get people's sympathies, making it a good play.
2. I did not say that people were hating on trans personnel. If you got that impression from the quote in the original comment, that wasn't the intention. I was illustrating what someone might say if they felt that hating on veterans was a taboo, and if they were already on board with the idea of transpeople in the military to begin with.
3. Just because I mentioned that people can feel a hesitation to criticize military personnel does not mean that I believe that any veteran is above the law or criticism.
4. Of course there are a lot of issues and solutions take time to iron out. I never stated anything to the contrary. That was simply you accusing me of something I never said.
@@MegaGraceiscool yeah, why do liberals always try to trick people with emotional ploys
Love the scope of topics of Beme. Admire incredibly those that featured in this episode! This is a pathetic government driven agenda. It will pass with the change in government! Stay strong.
Bernie in sydney
More 👏 trans 👏 drone 👏 pilots.
character then comes your memories.
I DON'T CARE WHO A PERSON DESIRES TO BE- THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE IS GOING IN ONE GENDER, THEN SWITCHING UP HALF WAY IN. WE ALL KNOW THIS WILL CAUSE ISSUES, SO STOP ACTING LIKE IT WILL NOT.
@@PhilfreezeCH NOT SCREAMING- I WRITE IN CAPS BY CHOICE. AND CHANGING GENDERS IS NOT "LIKE HAVING AN INJURY". THE FACT YOU'RE COMPARING THE TWO IS A DISGRACE TO THE MILITARY AND ANYONE BEING "INJURED" ANYWHERE! THIS IS WHY SOME PEOPLE MAY DISAGREE WITH TRANS FOLKS BEING IN THERE-BLATANT DISREGARD FOR WHAT IS OBVIOUS.
How do u know are u trans
thanks for making and sharing
I'm confused by Sasha lol
Feel bad for these guys
I'm glad that this mini doc cleared up that the 'trans military ban' slogan for this is inaccurate.
it's ma'am!
Mental instability should not be rewarded
Rewarded? These people aren't looking to be rewarded, they're trying to protect ungrateful assholes like you even if you don't deserve it because they love their country...
@@andrewb7432 eh more like taking advantage of military benefits for their own trans problems.
I'm transwolf, it's really hard because no one recognize me as a wolf and I get bullied. Some say it's mental health issue but I don't think so. It's the rest of the world who got an issue for not recognizing me as a wolf.
You do realize that the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Endocrine Society, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the World Health Organization, the National Association of Nurse Practitioners, the Mayo Clinc, and thousands of medical doctors, hospitals, and universities all recognize trans people as valid, right?
But thank you for your wisdom in this asinine comparison, Bill. Clearly all the experts are wrong and Some Internet Guy is correct. Wouldn't want to let facts hurt your feelings, now would we.
@@MythicalRedFox Just because the government says it, does not mean it's true. In the 1970s they used to lobotomies people who were mentally disabled to get them to calm down, in the name of medicine. Ask someone who gotten a lobotomy how great their doctor was, I doubt you'll get an answer though.
Bill wow you kinda suck dude
@@MythicalRedFox You should've joined communism during Mao reign, They killed almost all the sparrows in China because they supposedly stole food from the state, but what they didn't know was that the Sparrows was actually eating the crickets.
46 million humans starved to death because the Sparrows didn't keep the cricket population at bay, almost the same amount of people that died during WW2.
Mao was surely a great leader with his so called "experts".
What that "fact" should teach you is that it's better to think critical, rather than follow so called "experts" because they are just as fallible
as anyone else.
@@Bill-zp2mt literal 1 IQ take. Holy shit he's right guys. The medical experts were wrong a few times before so we can't trust them ever again at all. Why don't you be the first to act on that argument and just stop going to the doctor? I sure am excited to see how that turns out
Thank you so much for making a video like this! I hope the eventual bigotry that's going to pop up in these comments isn't too overwhelming.
Unfortunately it's already starting to be pretty toxic. Transphobes are pretty easily upset it seems. Other people simply existing is too much for their poor feelings to handle. 🤷♂️
Why is it people like you immediately revert to pointing the proverbial bigot and phobia this and that, finger at people. Just as transgender or LGBTQ people have the right to live there life the way they choice, other people have the right to feel strongly against transgender and LGBTQ people. Why should society offend the majority over not offending the really small minority? Why should taxpayers be financially responsible for transition health expenses of transgender people? Private health insurance companies do not cover elective cosmetic surgery for workers, why should the military be responsible for transition costs? They shouldn't! What about the restroom and shower issues of a transgender person who hasn't transitioned yet? What about the hate of other military members towards transgender people, that would lead to a whole different problem. It's not just an easy fix, this is something is going to take time, most likely 10 years or so. Transgender people are just going to have to accept the situation right now.
@@bigphillyed Gee, maybe I talk about transphobes because that's always the people that are attracted to these videos. Like you.
@@bigphillyed sometimes i wonder why people as hypocrite as you are, exist
I do not claim to have moral high ground here, or that i am in the military or that i am an Sjw , I'm just speaking through my mind and why i think your saying isn't valid
1. You need to concede that You are the definition of transphobic. Yes you have the right as an individual, but know that it ISN'T absolute since your rights as individual to feel strongly against can and will affect badly to others.
The same way you cannot do A just because it may harm others.
Therefore i don't think this is valid.
2. Covering any transition or this and that ISN'T the obligation of the army, it's from their own salary that they use to spend on hormone , this and that.
3. A Single Tax payer dollar SHOULD be payed to those who serve regardless of what gender they are in. As a human you should try to look past that.
4. Phobic members of the army can coexist with them, as seen in this video, throughout the army they will be enrolled with the trans to do a mission or put in a same place
This forces them to interact with the trans people thus therefore they will try to better understand the trans.
I think this is an effective way of accepting people, through interaction and communication.
Therefore i think a phobic military member ISN'T common, and Even if there is,
they have the right to not interact with the trans without essentially picking on fights and discriminating them AS YOU ARE.
5. Most of your questions can be answered with common sense , try to use them. You cannot use other gender restroom unless you have claimed to the state that you are trans, and bring the documents of said claim to the army. before using a different gender restroom than you used to.
@@Samarai-hf9si I am not transphobic or any other liberal phobic word you're going to use next. I am simply a prevailer of the truth and reality of life and society. You're just angry that the truth hurts.
No
Trump is right.
Make america great again.
Lol that's why he lost
This is CNN for ya
Accurate reporting on trans patriots? Yes.
Please explain what you mean, Jacob.
It's a one sided video, only seen from the eyes of a transgender service member. Typical CNN stuff.
@@bigphillyed Trans rights are human rights, don't know what else to tell you.
@@bigphillyed There was a whole interview with a guy who was against letting trans people in. It's not one sided.
True Trans soul rebel -
cool, a break from Lou. dude annoys me. sorry Lou but im brutally honest.
holdmybeer dang rip lou
I tried. But they lost me at "with passing privilege" when introducing yourself.
Wow smh in the comments against transgender... i never thought it is such a deviding issue. I mean let people be wat they want to be, they’re harming no one
Its not that simple. If you want to pretend to be a boy or girl, that's your choice. When you force me to treat you as a boy or girl, it becomes an issue of freedom and control. No amount of surgery makes you a woman. If you commit a crime and leave blood at the crime scene, the blood says what you were born as, not what you want to become.
You don't look perfect.
If someones transitioning is stressfull i feel like they should just be allowed to take like sick leave till the dsyphoria goes away. The ban is just gunna leave closeted trans people in the millitary preform worse for the exact reasons they claim it aims to prevent.
Yeah lets give transgendered people special treatment in the military , and give them leave until they feel psychologically good and ready. Lets just waste taxpayer money on someone who wasn't mentally fit to serve in the first place, if you are not fit to be part of the US military war machine you have no business serving. Giving them an indefinite sick leave is unfair to other soldiers, there's protocol to be followed, the military doesn't work like the civilian world where you just willy nilly do what you want on the fly there's SOP's to be followed.
@@Bad_Temper your right, they shouldnt serve if theyre unfit to, but after they recover theyd probably be fit to serve.
Also i didnt mean indefinate you were right to correct me there
Beme should make a documentary about all the pollution in our food and drinking water.
It might be effecting fetuses and babies during development.
I mean, you have the face of someone who kidnaps and eats people in their spare time, so maybe you're a victim of whatever conspiracy bullshit you're spouting.
@@Samarai-hf9si That's Slavoj Zizek Slovenian philosopher and sociologist, he call himself an communist ^^ True, he does look like a crazy person
@@Samarai-hf9si He is not a communist though(only for the memes), more like a Bernie Sanders supporter in politics and atheistic Christian when it comes to religion.
It's simple. Your commander in chief says transgenders will not serve, then you as a soldier must support your president. There is no violation of the Constitution or a transgenders rights by limiting them to military service. There are so many possible issues of transgender military members serving, pitfalls that could open up a terrible Pandora's box. Only veterans and active military people understand what these pitfalls could be, a civilian looking in from the outside just won't see these pitfalls. The president and commanders have the right to pass regulations that could either preclude transgenders from joining the military or insure that transgender people serve only under their biological gender. Listen it has taken decades just to allow woman to serve in combat rolles, you cannot expect commanders to just reverse the rolls for transgender people. It is going to take time, and changes will need to be made in the service to insure those pitfalls can be avoided. One of the biggest concerns is who would be financially responsible for a transgender service members transition to their identified gender. I do not think taxpayers should burden the financial responsibilities of transitioning surgeries and medical issues for transgender service members. The expense is extremely high, between the surgeries, the psychological concerns and treatment, and then the life long medications needed. I believe transgenders will be allow to serve at some point but, transition surgery and related medical expenses will not be covered by military health plans.
You're sure writing a lot of essays, Edmund. I wonder if you're getting taxpayer money to sit on your ass all day.
Edmund Dobry You don’t want tax payers to pay for trans soldiers transitioning, but I’m pretty sure you have no problem with tax payers paying for the healthcare and college education of every cis male and female in the military. I’ve never met an 18 year old who actually wanted to be in the military because they actually give a damn about the country. Most of them just want the benefits.
And no, Donald Trump is not a king. Everyone has a right to openly disagree with a decision that the president makes. And the president does not have a right to pass a law that discriminates against a minority of people. That’s not how things work.
@@atlissgrey318 oh look the liberal SJW's are coming out of the wood work now. First of all trans people in the military get the same medical treatment and same college tuition benefits as all service members. What I said if you would have taken a second to actually read it,miss that taxpayers should be responsible for transition surgeries or transition related medical expenses such as psychiatric assistance or hormone replacement therapy. Which is equally fair across the board. Why should trans people be allowed to use military healthcare for en elective, unnecessary surgical procedure. If that's the case then all service members should be allowed to use military health care for elective cosmetic surgery, right? I mean that's what you are saying. You are absolutely correct, no 18 year old goes in the service to protect their country. They enlist for the pay and benefits, and a few articles and videos I have read and watched, show a few years ago when trans people were completely in the closet, they hoped that in an effort of allowing transgender people to openly serve, was that they could get their transistion treatment and hormone therapy treatment covered by DoD medical healthcare. Even private healthcare insurance in the civilian world do not cover transition surgery because it is an elective cosmetic surgery, they cover hormone replacement therapy and that is it. Who ever said you didn't have the right to disagree with President Trump? This is America, that is what this country is about! Where you are wrong is Trump absolutely has the right and legal means to enforce a transgender enlistment ban. The Constitution and federal law do not cover transgender people, which means they have no kind of protection against discrimination, and never will until Congress passes a new set of laws protecting them. Which most likely never happen until such time the majority of the country demands it, which I never see it happening. Let's remember that transgender people make up an average of .4% of each states population and that's under surveys done without a legal or medical definition of transgender. Doctors agree that those numbers are most likely extremely elevated because people who are not truly trans are identifying as trans, just like the woman in the video who identified as a gay man, until she truly figured out she was trans. So you want the country to make all these drastic changes for .4% of the population over what the majority of America wants? It is clear through surveys and religious people that the majority of America opposes anything trans, which makes it difficult for law makers to protect their status. So now you can take your SJW outfit and throw it away, this battle is lost for at least the next 10 years.
Edmund Dobry Anti Discrimination laws are created to protect minorities no matter how small and under represented they are dumb ass. And yes, trans people deserve protection. Call me an SJW all you want. That’s simply my belief.
Certain people shouldn’t be oppressed because some two thousand year old book says that some bearded man in the sky doesn’t like them.
And no, Trump is not right in his decision. Just because you’re president doesn’t mean you should have the power to automatically do whatever you want. Ugh, people like you are the reason kings had so much power during the dark ages.
"Well they sit on the fancy chair and they have noice hat, they have to know more than me!"
There is not one well articulated argument against having transgenders in the military in this video. This channel is becoming extraordinarily, clearly biased. Every concern that I had when Beme was purchased by CNN is now coming to fruition and it's genuinely disappointing. I'm unsubscribing now, not because I have any issue with transgender people. Quite the opposite, I work with multiple transgender people and genuinely get along with them better than any other people in my office, but this doesn't even scratch the surface of the obvious financial burden that gender The fact that you didn't mention that 40% of transgender people attempt suicide is genuinely concerning. Giving high-powered rifles to people that are extremely likely to use those rifles to end their own lives almost suggests that you don't care about their lives. This is clearly a politically motivated video with very little concern for the facts.
Yet there are a large number of trans people currently in service showing that in practice people with mental issues don't sign up there or in very low numbers and that there is no trending problem. You seem like the person with the agenda
Well the 40% statistic is true, for pre-transition trans people. Once we transition however the suicide rate drops. The reason many of us are suicidal is because of the discrimination we deal with.
@@ScififanP Show me one example of a study that shows more than a 2% drop and maybe I'll believe you. There have been many studies on this subject, I have seen zero that prove more than a 2% drop and many even show increases in suicide attempt rate. From a statistical perspective, many of the differences that studies show can be disregarded as essentially statistical noise produced by low sample sizes and inconsistencies between pre- and post-op transgenders.
*40%*
What that Thomas Spoehr guy said seems pretty logical, but I'm not educated enough to say that's what is actually going on.
Either way, the type of character that Sasha Buchert is grinds my gears with that "live authentically" thing, and their assumption of personal attacks. It's perfectly reasonable that some people are uncomfortable with who they are, and we should be more accepting of people doing things that are out of "the norm" (without discrediting reality, anyways), but acting like that does not support your cause.
flackenstien nah