100% my fault. For the few real skiers boarders out there, you know how quickly decisions need to be made. A focus on the child only, loosing focus of the guy until it was too late, are all things I could have and should have done better. It’s easy to get too comfortable if you spend enough time on the slopes. Glad I posted this, even if I am getting roasted, because it has reminded me how quickly things can go from a great time to an absolutely terrible accident when the correct decisions aren’t made. A viewer from IG also pointed out a slow sign I pass right before the accident which I’ve never seen in my years of skiing/snowboarding there. Not the best place for a slow sign (off the trail to the left) if you ask me but it shuts down any argument I may have. For the record, I do like to go fast and always will but I believe it’s EVERYONES MOUNTAIN and we all need to do our part and keep it as safe as possible (MYSELF INCLUDED) while still having more fun than you could ever imagine of course! Hope I see some of you on slopes some day!
If you try to avoid someone, why do you choose the same direction as the person you’re trying to avoid is already going? And you’re right, that slow sign is positioned on a strange spot. Not sure why it’s there either, it seems to me, in the video, you can see far up ahead and the slop seems pretty flat.
Glad you can put your ego aside for self improvement. We all make mistakes and hopefully we can analyze them and get better from them. It's very hard to do and congratulations for being a rare human to be able to do it. Glad to see that everyone involved ended up okay. Stay safe out there my man!
@@ByondTheNormdon’t drive for the other guy. You never know what they’ll do, and as the uphill rider you have to be in control enough to be able to avoid them.
That’s like saying don’t run into the punch of your enemy when you’re caught by surprise. Do people not realize they are talking in 3rd person perspective meaning they aren’t in that situation but that also means your not in the heat of the moment so your opinion right now doesn’t make sense to say.
Try thinking calmly when an intruder with a knife runs at you in your house. You would run trying to find an exit. You wouldn’t think about how you will get to the exit. You just go.
@@mistermfmikebro when ur snowboarding you can literally just just do a quick look same as you would in a car (in my cars at least i believe I have a small blind spot and I always just preferring doing the that quick actual look before lane switching. Do you only use ur mirrors to lane change? If so what vehicle?
Agree, that was a protective move from her fatcher. That guy saw this jerry sending it and crossed the slope to back her up. You must be a skier father
Yup the dad look over at this idiot going full speed and put himself in the way before he ran his kid over, the father should have put some bright clothing for the young one mostly white probably not the best choide
yep. ive been a boarder in this position. this guy needs to toe right ASAP when he sees the skiier cross. he shouldve already had him and his track in his head on the approach of the crescent. not to mention the kid. this guy is blaming the crossing skiier? bless the skiier, the guy didnt see the kid or if he did he didnt toe right in time, or make the right bail choice.
@@Stings2pee no we like music, but 99% of dudes that blast music from a speaker on the hill are kooks, plus have horrible taste in music. Not everyone wants to be in line listening to some jerry bump Skrillex
Because as much as bro is at fault here you dont cross the entire slope with out looking. 😂😂 if it took 15 watches I question your problem solving, and common sense nor would I want you on any mountain I was riding for the day
@@keyd_tv count how long he was telegraphing it for. Over 5 seconds. Uphill rider needs to account for what the guy downhill is doing. He didn't. No way to blame the skiier.
@@EdNeaton again if youre the downhill guy and not looking out at all, this i dont want you on the same mountain as me ever.. because there is careless boarders like this situation all the time. be safe and keep your head on a swivel
@@keyd_tv mate we all find it annoying when somebody takes up the whole hill going slowly but it's a shared space. I look before I turn because I'd rather be cautious and uninjured than right and injured, but old mate didn't swerve erratically, he held a consistent line for bloody ages. My instincts (and probably everyone else's) were screaming 'toe edge' instantly on watching this. It seems like you agree with me that regardless of how annoying it is, there's no way fault lies with anyone other than the PoV, so not really sure why you'd want to die on this hill but go off.
@EdNeaton I didn't say the skier was at fault. But reckless. It's the entire mountains job to pay attention. I said boarder was reckless and at fault. There's no denying it. But again the skier has a duty to keep himself and the person he's clearly teaching or under experienced, safe. If you are just cutting across the entire slope with out looking I whole-heartedly want you no where near me boarding. It's common sense. It's a driver's job to make sure if my blinkers on he doesn't cross my lane until he's sure I am turning. What if I left the blinkers on by mistake and you pull out and get t boned into oblivion. It's the same concept. It requires common sense and an alertness. And that skier doesn't have it. Cause one look over the shoulder would have seen this boarder with no control of his speed or board and could have easily made a quick k turn to avoid a problem.
He’s probably just skiing behind his daughter to shield her from out of control snowboarders. Regardless of the adult skier you were going to almost hit the kid.
Then stay close by. Don't use the who mountain as your personal slopes. The boarder would of dodged the girl. If you take your kid skiing then buy her a bright coat so she can be easily seen.
Snowboarders fault, no question An object lesson in why injuries on the slopes have increased dramatically in recent years. Straightlining an easy slope with novice/intermediate skiers and children. You’re fortunate you didn’t kill the kid. If the adult hadn’t traversed to protect the child, you wouldn’t have known she was there, because she wasn’t visible below the roll in the slope. By the time you crossed the knoll, it would have been too late.
This 100%. I noticed that when teaching my kids when they were little a decade ago. Tricking and straightlining on the beginner slopes. you have to be an idiot to then go and blame the beginners.
Youve always got to keep an eye out for which way downhill skiers are going to be turning next. Usually a left, right, left, right thing. You should have turned to the right.
As a snowboard instructor and 20+ years riding I can comfortably say 1) you don’t have control over your snowboard you are just sliding fast, you are a danger at those speeds to everyone on the mountain 2) yes it is your fault you have no control and could not stop or go around the skier. 3) take a lesson and learn how to control your board correctly before reaching these speeds.
@@ByondTheNormif you had the right skills you would have bailed right into a wide open trail and kept going. Your board took control of you, that’s why you fell. not the other way around. You’re not expected to stop but you had ample time and opportunity to do something else. You were most definitely riding out of your skill level.
PLUS you were barreling right towards that kid, if the guy didn’t come in front of you, you would have taken that kid out. Also you had your toe edge and would have been able come out of it if you had carve control. I didn’t see you carve once in this video, just speed checks, which are great, on bunny hills.
@@ByondTheNormNobody said you were supposed to “stop”. You should have gone to the right, and also stayed farther away from that little girl in the pink coat. Your speed was also a huge factor in your accident. Your camera shows nobody else was going as fast as you.
I see a snowboarder bombing a hill at high speed & what looks like a father/child pair. The father/child pair were acting in a manner very common for instruction/new riders, this was very predictable. The snowboarder should have easily been able to predict this traffic pattern and avoide it.
@@FlopBrosHockeylike why? That doesn't make sense. After a little learning to ski, you can go to slopes like that the first or second day. Or even start learning in that kind of slope, I've seen that. There's no minimum speed limit in any slope and all slopes are and should stay accessable to everyone no matter how good they are
Not only that but he was headed strait for the kid. He should have seen her and moved way over already and slowed down. You’ve got to plan for the unpredictable especially when you’re the only one that sees everything from behind.
Listen . I was skiing at Lake Louise on a beautiful clear day, such as this. It was not busy, and I was doing my old gal cruising turns on an easy blue trail. Next thing I know, I see nothing but sky. I didn’t have enough time to tense up, so I didn’t suffer an injury. The poor kid who hit me,(an Aussie), was beyond apologetic. I gave my advice in my best New York accent. “Just slow the f*%#down, when you see people” .
@@digiblak997 beginners on every run that they don’t belong on. Dude just needed to not target fixate. Simple, easy move a little right and he avoids all drama.
@nickbryant2318 yes and no, the snowboarder was still behind him and had 4-5 seconds of decision making time and had very little control other than bombing it
I was not as lucky as the skier (or in fact the child). In my case (Italian Kronplatz) the snowboarder probably also had alcohol and fled the scene before the helicopter arrived, after he broke my arm/ shoulder and hip and made my life difficult for many months, even after years the pain is still there. I have a clear opinion on whose fault it was, but I appreciate your honest contribution to this topic which may help people to think.
like most of the comments say its 100% your fault. But in my opinion its not a reaction issue or going to fast. Its a skill issue, your board control issue. Your attempt to turn rather then whip to your heal edge and dig in. If you had more board control you could easily avoid this. If you gonna go fast learn to stop fast, heal or toe side. Also stop flat boarding and get on an edge.
I'm a full-time board and ski instructor. Riding 20 years. In the industry for 15. Snowboarder is completely at fault, no question. Skier did absolutely nothing wrong at any point. Alpine responsibility code demands that the uphill rider always yields to the downhill rider, and that you ride in control at all times. Riding in control means being able to avoid the downhill rider at any time no matter what. The skier has absolutely zero obligation to look uphill for any reason. He didn't cut you off. There is no such thing as the downhill rider cutting off the uphill rider. The only way you can cut someone off is if they are turning across the slope and you encroach on their line while passing from above. There are no such thing as lanes on the hill. Riders are entitled to use all of the terrain and turn right across from edge to edge. If you are going faster and passing it's YOUR obligation to do so safely. This skier was riding extremely predictably (not that he is obliged to) and was doing what all skiers do. Turning both ways while skiing down a slope. The snowboarder is completely out of control, riding much beyond their skill level as clearly evidenced in the video. There's nothing wrong with going fast but there is a problem going fast if you are lacking the awareness and skillset to safely predict and navigate around slower riders. Snowboarder is a huge hazard to themself and other mountain users. It's good that you're taking some responsibility and admitting some fault here but if you're really being completely honest and accountable you'll admit the skier did absolutely nothing wrong, including "swerving across the run" and that you endangered this innocent person by riding so recklessly and having such poor awareness that you had to throw yourself off the side of the run to avoid a major collision. Ride to your ability level. If you're unsure about passing someone safely then slow down. You're lucky this was a near miss. You could've seriously injured this man or the child and it would've been 1000% your fault - your responsibility - your liability.
Lol you sound like section c-36 of the Colorado penal code or something. Skier doesn't have a responsibility to look back? Ridiculous. You live in a society you animal, just because you have the right away doesn't mean you ignore every other person on the road. So dumb. Maybe you should have spent less time as an instructor
Thank you! I live in Tahoe and see people riding far beyond their abilities and causing collisions all the time. This is exactly the type of situation that could easily be avoided by just turning … but they can’t because they are out of control.
I dont ski or board, though i am curious to, when 2 riders going abouts the same speed but 1 EVERY so slightly ahead(like maybe a few meters at most) if they(ahead) end up just going across the slope past the other individual but they had a reactive response to seeing a glimpse of said individual and cause them to like fall or injure themself; Even though the rider crossing is more downhill, they would be liable for their own injuries? Im assuming theres rules or practices to not be close to or near other riders constantly and maintaining distances but i was just curious
Even if you admitted it was your fault (which proves you're not a complete moron), as an experienced snowboarder you should have gone full right when he crossed you.
the only problem he was speeding flat base = no control + too little time for reaction, if he was carving I bet it would be possible to nicely avoid collision without landing in the forrest.
@@siewa26 He could've started turning right earlier, when the skier started turning left. But, like he said, he was focused on the kid and didn't see the skier until it was too late
still coulda passed on the left side on toe edge but he lost control. needs to get better to be straight bombing like that anyway. the better you are the better your muscle memory, still shoulda been able to pull it off. slow down and work on your fast twitch snappy carves. shredding moguls is a good way to get better and they can actually be fun when you’re good enough to ride em on a board
You should know not to turn the direction someone is going. Much easier to turn the opposite way. In fact it makes avoidance effortless. Obviously it's a more difficult decision in the heat of the moment, but it comes with experience.
When you prioritize going fast over antipicating other skiers and adjusting your speed to account for them, you are NOT a responsible boarder and you should be kicked off the slopes until you learn that lesson. I go fast as well but if there are others near me I slow down closer to their speeds so I can anticipate unpredictable moves. That's not optional, btw.
Yup, 100% on the boarder. Skier was taking up the whole run, yeah, but it wasn't crowded and he was moving predictably. Easily avoided, boarder was going at a speed beyond their control.
Not even close. It’s the uphill skier who is at fault. This guy wasn’t even trying to control their speed and plowed into someone below. Imagine advertising that and posting it as a question.
Because it is. Anyone saying otherwise is a complete moron. Ppl saying the skier can look up the hill clearly dont know what theyre talking about. Yes you can, but it will likely throw you off balance a little bit. If youre uphill, its your responsibility
@@obvioustrash7833If you aren’t looking uphill when you cross a trail you are putting yourself in danger. For your own safety you should check uphill when crossing a trail. If looking throws you off balance then you’re on a trail that is too difficult for your ability. Don’t always assume the person coming down is watching out for you.
100% snowboarders fault, and I snowboard. Very easy to anticipate that skiers turn and when he started cutting left you should have gone right, instead you went the same way he was going and ran yourself off the trail.
No he’s just not very good, there was enough room to get around the guy going left too. He just isn’t as comfortable on his toe side edge so he definitely should be going that fast.
that’s why i always ski or ride after my son since you won’t believe how reckless people can be. I almost cried out when i saw the little kid in the video was not involved. I wonder where her parents were? maybe the skier was the father and was trying to stay behind his sweetheart?
Snow boarder is 100% at fault.. He is out of control and should learn to slow down in high traffic situations. If you see a tiny kid, there's usually a parent around nearby. If you saw him when you said, you should have gone right. Besides, there was still plenty of room on the left or you could have just stopped. You are riding beyond your abilities.
It’s not always their fault, if someone is cutting across a whole slope that ain’t the beginner or something it’s usually the person cutting across without paying attention’s fault, has happened to me a couple of times were I cut across
@@sandraberglund6627 while that may be annoying…it is always the uphill persons fault in a collision. They should be going with the flow and in control of the speed so that they can avoid anything below them. Always. I don’t, and I understand how the cut acrossers can be annoying. But it’s still the uphill sliders fault. That’s why the skier responsibility code exists, to clarify the grey areas. Brush up in it every now and then
@sandraberglund6627 nah. always. In this video in any case undeniable. Wide af slope, plenty of room and opportunity to avoid. River was clearly at a speed he doesnt have experience to control the board. And in general when approaching someone from up hill you should always make sure you can avoid now matter what they do...otherwise you should slow dow until you are sure.
You were at fault. Even without the other skier, you were going to pass the little girl in pink WAY too closely, and too fast. Make some turns and slow TF down.
Yes always up hill persons fault, people below can’t see behind. With that there are things you shouldn’t do like cut in a direct across the hill suddenly without looking up. But the up hill skier has a wide view below them and can see where the other skiers are. Staying in control is key. You may have been in control going fast and straight by yourself but you don’t have enough control to be able to stop quickly and to be going that fast with others on the hill otherwise you would have speed checked yourself coming up on a child and given her huge room as kids are unpredictable. You would also have seen the dad trailing behind her following her and had already made a long turn in her direction. Many collisions are caused by lack of awareness and loss of control by people going to fast with not enough skill and consideration for others on the mountain. Going fast is fun but you have to look a mile ahead and constantly scan and then speed check to keep things safe when others are around.
I'm a snowboarder. Have been for a very long time. I'm now blessed to have two daughters who have taken up snowboarding. Countless times I have had to do the same thing that father did. It's called protecting your child from young ignorant riders who (likely) don't have kids yet. Good dads always play blocker. You could have killed that kid if you hit her. In which case you would have been praying for this result instead. Ride safe. Glad you did not get hurt.
That's getting a little hysterical. Clearly dozy boarder not reading the patterns and sashaying right over the crest but death was not on the cards here.
@@puhbrox I do the same for my wife, it's just how it is on the slopes. There are a--holes who like to go fast and think they can fly down the mountain with little concern for others who take wider turns. Downhill skier/rider has right of way. You can't see behind you so it's up to you to avoid a collision with some you can see.
Ski as fast as you can stop. If you back up the video to the beginning you can spot the skier on the left of the slope on a slowish semi-traverse across the slope to the right hand side then he does a left turn and starts on a slowish semi-traverse back to the left. One might assume he wasn't skiing the fall line before the video commenced but doing zig zag back and forth then as on this vision. Straightlineing meant you had tunnel vision down the fall line. The slopes, like the road network are a two dimensional surface so one must be scanning left and right even if straightlineing especially at speed. You might have noticed his pattern a couple of his turns back and anticipated.
That's why there are usually signs saying that straightlining is prohibited. There may be someone less experienced making wider turns. And they don't have eyes in the back of their head.
The worst part is @beyondthenorm is in the comments claiming this isn’t considered out of control bc he’s been on board over 30 yrs. Meanwhile the shadow shows his stance and the edge usage speaks for itself as well😂
Last Clear Chance rule applies to everything, the person behind another person has the responsibility to monitor what is in front him and has the responsibility to adjust their speed and track. Remember the person in front of you, do not see you, they don't have eyes on the back of their head.
I appreciate your posting this because we need this discussion. Also appreciated your humility at accepting fault. Everyone should read the skiers responsibility code before they ride and if it's been years since you read it and think you know it, then you should re read it. It's amazing how many people will say the skier was at fault and stick to it because they like going fast and think everyone needs to get out of their way. Near collisions and accidents happen, thank you for posting this so we can all learn.
Definitely your fault. Stop snowboarding at speeds far beyond your ability. If you can’t avoid a person downhill you are out of control. Work on your fundamentals.
He was in control, he just made a misjudgment and took his responsibility by crashing himself and not crashing into the skier. He also never blamed the skier. And yes, the person downhill has the right of way. That doesn’t mean you can’t pass them at high speed. He just had to have anticipated that the skier was going to cross the entire slope, just like he did in previous turn and stayed in the middle in order to pass him on the right instead of the left. One incident doesn’t mean you’re boarding beyond your abilities, everybody makes mistakes from time to time.
He crashed so clearly he wasn't in control. What if that guy hadn't cut across and instead the little girl had made a sudden left turn? there is no way he could have stopped in time passing so fast and so close. In traffic you need to be able to avoid people even if they make the worst possible turn at the worst possible moment.@@Toms_Channel
@@Toms_Channelyea right, I don't believe he even knows how to carve. It is why he picked a far side and blasted down the hill with his arms wailing, then gets butthurt after he runs into someone and ends up almost getting destroyed. Then he goes and posts it online, only looking for people who agree with him on not being able to stop in time.
Yes the rider in front has the right of way. However, it’s a common rule that most skiers can’t seem to follow. DO NOT TAKE UP THE WHOLE RUN WITH YOUR S PATTERN. the fast you go when skiing. The wider the pattern needed to advance down a run. This skier was going slower than Christmas taking up the whole lane. Making it difficult for anyone to pass. But undoubtedly the snowboarders more at fault, he was the one who could see the skier and the skier couldn’t see him. Glad the skier was nice about it, but I would be very frustrated as the snow boarder
It’s not about uphill/downhill situation, you are speeding way too fast where at obviously beginner/family friendly area. Beginners and little kids can easily fall if someone pass really fast close by. I don’t understand why they don’t understand that. I don’t know if he meant, but the guy in front did really good job to protect the little kid.
Little children can be on any part of the mountain a parent takes them on. Children ski on all expert and intermediate terrain depending on their ability.
People keep comparing this to driving and it’s really not the same thing, it’s the uphill boarder/skier’s responsibility to avoid downhill traffic. Period. This isn’t a city street with lane lines and car blinkers, it’s a ski resort. The downhill skier (despite how annoying it may be that he made such wide turns) has the right to make his turns with the comfort of knowing the uphill rider will go around. The boarder should have checked his speed way before coming up on the skier. Doesn’t matter how long you’ve been riding or skiing, or how good you are, check your speed and pass safely.
There will always be people doing large "S"s on the slopes, and there will always be beginners who are most welcomed, but there will never be someone with eyes on the back, thus it is up to us on the back to figure out what's happening in front of us. We should set universal ski/snowboarding rules like in driving - whenever you drive, you are obliged to always keep a minimal safety distance, defined as the distance needed to stop the car in whichever situation. If you hit on the back of another car because you failed to keep that distance, even if the other driver stopped because he or she is a bad driver, it is still your fault.
Any experienced skier who’s taken a learner up knows this trick. The experienced skier does wide turns behind the learner skier to keep people who want to bomb down the mountain away from the learner. I’ve never seen it so perfectly executed, good job to the experienced skier!
i strongly disagree, the "experienced skier" wasnt making consistent moves and thats always a bad thing if you want to reduce the risk of anything happening try to be as predictable as possible.
@@KindredBrujahyea it was, but every sweep is unpredictable, at the point the crash or nearly crash is happening is path was obvious but before taking the sweep it wasn't obv he would do that I just wanted to say if you try to protect someone stay behind him and don't drive on the other side to sweep behind him if you see someone coming that's just asking for problems in my opinion And that's not to defend the Snowboarder at the end of the day it's his responsibility But I don't like people praise sweeps on a ski run it's always a bad idea if there are others on the same run
@@finneich5105 I think the last sweep was specifically to protect the kid from the snowboarder. He arrived at the exact right time to achieve that, so it's a hell of a coincidence if it wasn't on purpose.
It's the snowboarder's fault in this case. He also could have avoided the crash by turning right instead of left. Also not waiting until the very last instant to realise the guy was on a crash course with himself. Always expect people to turn into you or keep going towards and use safe distances proportional to your speed. You also aimed at the only place where the kid was ... That is not the smartest decision when you see that the slope is nearly empty. I hope you don't intentionally try to create those situations to put it on CZcams.
Hit from back: Snowboarder's fault (I am a snowboarder). The speed was way too high approaching the hill. However, the skier could wear a more colorful coat instead of a camouflage one. Please wear bright colors on the slope.
I was going to add something sarcastic since I’m a skier. I also skied with my kids when they were young and was protective of others that could cause major injury. I appreciated getting my motorcycle license a number of years ago. It taught me that everyone’s responsible, and you do your part to be a defensive rider. Anticipate, adjust and respond. It has saved me many times on the road and mountain.
You are behind, you are out of control riding on your heels. Learn to snowboard before gaining speed. You could have clipped the kid too. Don’t be an idiot ride within your capacity.
Glad your pinned comment says it all. Question to you: why straightline?? Why the bombing? Where’s the fun in that? Practice your turn, carves, some little side butters, anything. Bombing runs are for 15yrs old who just discovered « wow speed fun ». Stop it
The way a see the skier (likely a father) saw a snowboarder going full speed in the direction of the kid and blocked the way to protect them from stupidity
@@outtamyhead3005wouldn’t be surprised if he peaked and saw the rider 50 yards straight lining it. I ‘covered’ my kids like that annnnnnd now they do it for me 😅
You can tell you’re a relatively new rider by how you’re bent over in your shadow- don’t go that fast and be ready for ANYTHING Plus you’re on your heelside edge almost the whole way down which makes you very unstable when hauling a$$
The one going faster, the passer, ALWAYS HAS TO BE RESPONSIBLE. You are looking straight down and have full control over the situation. Cannot blame someone who can't look at you.
Im a snowboarder who lovvvvvves to go fast but as soon as I saw the skier start cutting across like that i would put the brakes on....... i woulda bitched about it for a sec then continued down the trail without having to crawl outa the weeds......took the lift up and tried again no harm no foul........
@matthewerker6368 there is no "around them." They're taking up the entire trail, you have to gain speed in order to pass them. They could also just cut back at any moment. Completely rude thing to do, if you aren't capable of looking up a trail before you cut, go on an easier trail. This trail has moguls skier has no right to be on that trail
@Jeff-uu9vo I agree with you but in the same breath why take the risk of confrontation or continue speeding past and getting clipped by him cutting across the run again? Just slow down and watch his movements and avoid the bullshit.
“No ‘going around them’”? 😂. That’s just inexperience. That guy’s pattern was completely predictable and easy to avoid. Passing would’ve been super easy.
Asking whose fault it is? Easy: read laws and regulations and learn just a bit of common sense. Skiers downhill do not look behind because they just cannot, not having eyes on their butts. I had to quarrel several times with idiots uphill shouting at me for rightfully skiing across the slope.
Well you DO have to look uphill before starting out. If you have stopped for any reason, you have to check to make sure your path is clear. Otherwise you are cutting off the other skier.
@@cvn6555 both of you are correct. People ahead of you have the right of way. And look uphill before starting out or entering an intersection. But, oh boy- my favorite thing to hear up slope when doing my turns, minding my own business : “LOOK OUT”!
Yeah, that sucks when someone isn't in complete control but I try to remember what it was like when I was trying to learn. Took a long time only going once or twice a year, no lessons, no skiers in the family, to learn how to turn and stop. It is difficult and unnatural but worth it.
Not gonna comment about who’s at fault, just gonna point out that you (POV cam boarder) were straightlining down a wide, moderate run directly toward a child. The skier inadvertently ran interference for the child skier. In fact, upon watching it again, I’m pretty sure that even if the adult skier hadn’t cut across, you still likely would have had to bail left simply because of how quickly you were coming up on the child. Slow down. Make turns.
You are correct this is entirely your own fault. If he wants to ski across the whole width of the piste he can and does it is up to you to avoid ALL obstacles down from you! Why are you even asking the question. Glad you are OK.
Totally the snowboarders fault. The dude is going too fast for his ability and can’t turn very good. I realize a lot of snowboards really suck at carving, especially on hard snow. As a skier, and ex-competitive racer, I could have turned out of the collision path literally 20 times in that space whereas the rider was a “prisoner” of gravity and the fall line and had only one prescribed path down.
There are rare occasions when those downhill are at fault. Sitting in bad places around corners, over knuckles and rollers, etc. However, if you're riding like a hooligan, it's most likely your fault. And I say that as someone who rides like a hooligan most days. Just be polite and offer a sincere apologize if you have a close call or come together with someone. It goes a long way most times.
2 errors : The snowboarder does not have control by letting his board float, because he has plenty of time to change his trajectory or even apply emergency braking. The skier changes his line without looking behind, it's like changing lanes without putting on his turn signal. If both lacked experience, fortunately they acquired some without damage.
As a kid my friend got smashed by an old skier as we were boarding with an instructor. Dude went crazy until my instructor reminded him he was responsible and also that he'd beat the shit out of him if he kept harassing a crying child. Accidents happen, try to prevent them and dont make them worse if they do, everyones out there to have fun.
Idk about always, I tried to pass a guy and I clearly and loudly yelled "ON YOUR LEFT", he cut in front of me to the left anyway, I cut right and went over the back of his skis then there was some cartwheeling and a broken thumb.
100% my fault. For the few real skiers boarders out there, you know how quickly decisions need to be made. A focus on the child only, loosing focus of the guy until it was too late, are all things I could have and should have done better. It’s easy to get too comfortable if you spend enough time on the slopes. Glad I posted this, even if I am getting roasted, because it has reminded me how quickly things can go from a great time to an absolutely terrible accident when the correct decisions aren’t made. A viewer from IG also pointed out a slow sign I pass right before the accident which I’ve never seen in my years of skiing/snowboarding there. Not the best place for a slow sign (off the trail to the left) if you ask me but it shuts down any argument I may have. For the record, I do like to go fast and always will but I believe it’s EVERYONES MOUNTAIN and we all need to do our part and keep it as safe as possible (MYSELF INCLUDED) while still having more fun than you could ever imagine of course! Hope I see some of you on slopes some day!
If you try to avoid someone, why do you choose the same direction as the person you’re trying to avoid is already going?
And you’re right, that slow sign is positioned on a strange spot. Not sure why it’s there either, it seems to me, in the video, you can see far up ahead and the slop seems pretty flat.
Very refreshing to see this level of self reflection. It's only with this attitude that each of us can improve!
Glad you can put your ego aside for self improvement. We all make mistakes and hopefully we can analyze them and get better from them. It's very hard to do and congratulations for being a rare human to be able to do it. Glad to see that everyone involved ended up okay. Stay safe out there my man!
"always will" means you did not learn shit. Take up video games and stay off the mountain before you kill someone.
Way to keep it real my guy. 💪🏾
100% snowboarders fault.
Don’t straightline if you don’t have quicker reactions than that.
Looked like an easy rider right turn to avoid it
Yeah for sure just bad quick decision making but you're lying if those skiers that carve across the entire slope don't piss you off 😂
@@ByondTheNormdon’t drive for the other guy. You never know what they’ll do, and as the uphill rider you have to be in control enough to be able to avoid them.
I think you missed homo sapiens evolution update no offence
Nah your wrong g.
You are right, but only douchebags zig zag over the whole slope
I showed it to my Mrs, who is a professional blamer, and she said it was my fault, so I apologise. I'm sorry.
XD
Lolll
😂😂😂 classic apology accepted
We forgive you Jonny
@@JoveRogers97 thanks. That means a lot
Good rule of thumb when trying to avoid an accident, don't turn into the same direction the person you're trying to avoid is already heading...
It’s just too difficult to not aim for daylight… even though that daylight is closing down.
Scary toeside for snowboarder, knuckledraggers love their heels
That's true but if you couldn't tell, heading left was less predictable. He was carving in shorter strides and none of the previous turns were so wide
That’s like saying don’t run into the punch of your enemy when you’re caught by surprise. Do people not realize they are talking in 3rd person perspective meaning they aren’t in that situation but that also means your not in the heat of the moment so your opinion right now doesn’t make sense to say.
Try thinking calmly when an intruder with a knife runs at you in your house. You would run trying to find an exit. You wouldn’t think about how you will get to the exit. You just go.
That must be the easiest person to avoid. 100% your fault.
How I think of it is the skier can’t see you and has no idea you’re behind him. Therefore it is your job to pass him safely.
Is that you change lanes while driving a car? Just blindly cut across multiple lanes without checking your surroundings?
@kw9139 i mean cars have mirrors and signals that can and should be used so thats not a super great comparison.
@@mistermfmikebro when ur snowboarding you can literally just just do a quick look same as you would in a car (in my cars at least i believe I have a small blind spot and I always just preferring doing the that quick actual look before lane switching. Do you only use ur mirrors to lane change? If so what vehicle?
If a skier is taking up the entire run its the skiers fault he went from one side right to the other for no reason
Rule of the mountain is that you NEVER cross a slope without checking uphill first
My dad always taught me “if you can’t stop in time, you were going to fast”
Yeah in a car on the road I would agree, but if there were no risks involved in sports, most of them would not be very interesting
@@Stewnat7299 If the risk is only for you, no problem. But if by not adapting your speed to your skills your hurt people, then it is your fault.
But he didn’t teach you how to spell “too” .
I was not going to fast, I like food, why would I fast?
I can tell… Your dad was a boring man! 😂
The skier did that protectively, like he was the Dad or something. Be careful going fast near kids, any impact is devastating!
Agree, that was a protective move from her fatcher. That guy saw this jerry sending it and crossed the slope to back her up. You must be a skier father
Yup the dad look over at this idiot going full speed and put himself in the way before he ran his kid over, the father should have put some bright clothing for the young one mostly white probably not the best choide
yep. ive been a boarder in this position. this guy needs to toe right ASAP when he sees the skiier cross. he shouldve already had him and his track in his head on the approach of the crescent. not to mention the kid. this guy is blaming the crossing skiier? bless the skiier, the guy didnt see the kid or if he did he didnt toe right in time, or make the right bail choice.
I guarantee this dudes got a speaker on his backpack.
HHHHH
But playing my music to everyone makes me feel so tough and cool
😂 Speaker bois are always at fault for something whether they be rollerblading, snowboarding, skateboarding or biking.
You guys hate music? Lol
@@Stings2pee no we like music, but 99% of dudes that blast music from a speaker on the hill are kooks, plus have horrible taste in music. Not everyone wants to be in line listening to some jerry bump Skrillex
I watched this like 15 times trying to figure out how you could possibly think there was blame on anyone but you.
Because as much as bro is at fault here you dont cross the entire slope with out looking. 😂😂 if it took 15 watches I question your problem solving, and common sense nor would I want you on any mountain I was riding for the day
@@keyd_tv count how long he was telegraphing it for. Over 5 seconds.
Uphill rider needs to account for what the guy downhill is doing. He didn't. No way to blame the skiier.
@@EdNeaton again if youre the downhill guy and not looking out at all, this i dont want you on the same mountain as me ever.. because there is careless boarders like this situation all the time. be safe and keep your head on a swivel
@@keyd_tv mate we all find it annoying when somebody takes up the whole hill going slowly but it's a shared space.
I look before I turn because I'd rather be cautious and uninjured than right and injured, but old mate didn't swerve erratically, he held a consistent line for bloody ages. My instincts (and probably everyone else's) were screaming 'toe edge' instantly on watching this.
It seems like you agree with me that regardless of how annoying it is, there's no way fault lies with anyone other than the PoV, so not really sure why you'd want to die on this hill but go off.
@EdNeaton I didn't say the skier was at fault. But reckless. It's the entire mountains job to pay attention. I said boarder was reckless and at fault. There's no denying it. But again the skier has a duty to keep himself and the person he's clearly teaching or under experienced, safe. If you are just cutting across the entire slope with out looking I whole-heartedly want you no where near me boarding. It's common sense. It's a driver's job to make sure if my blinkers on he doesn't cross my lane until he's sure I am turning. What if I left the blinkers on by mistake and you pull out and get t boned into oblivion. It's the same concept. It requires common sense and an alertness. And that skier doesn't have it. Cause one look over the shoulder would have seen this boarder with no control of his speed or board and could have easily made a quick k turn to avoid a problem.
He’s probably just skiing behind his daughter to shield her from out of control snowboarders. Regardless of the adult skier you were going to almost hit the kid.
Then stay close by. Don't use the who mountain as your personal slopes. The boarder would of dodged the girl. If you take your kid skiing then buy her a bright coat so she can be easily seen.
@@sethwiley7839 🤦🏼♂️….No words.
@@sethwiley7839 I agree on the bright coat comment. At least a shiny helmet.
Snowboarders fault, no question
An object lesson in why injuries on the slopes have increased dramatically in recent years. Straightlining an easy slope with novice/intermediate skiers and children. You’re fortunate you didn’t kill the kid. If the adult hadn’t traversed to protect the child, you wouldn’t have known she was there, because she wasn’t visible below the roll in the slope. By the time you crossed the knoll, it would have been too late.
This 100%. I noticed that when teaching my kids when they were little a decade ago. Tricking and straightlining on the beginner slopes. you have to be an idiot to then go and blame the beginners.
Youve always got to keep an eye out for which way downhill skiers are going to be turning next. Usually a left, right, left, right thing. You should have turned to the right.
As a snowboard instructor and 20+ years riding I can comfortably say 1) you don’t have control over your snowboard you are just sliding fast, you are a danger at those speeds to everyone on the mountain 2) yes it is your fault you have no control and could not stop or go around the skier. 3) take a lesson and learn how to control your board correctly before reaching these speeds.
If you were in control, you would not have fallen on your ass off piste.
I wouldn’t define control blindly running off into the dirt 😅
@@ByondTheNormif you had the right skills you would have bailed right into a wide open trail and kept going. Your board took control of you, that’s why you fell. not the other way around. You’re not expected to stop but you had ample time and opportunity to do something else. You were most definitely riding out of your skill level.
PLUS you were barreling right towards that kid, if the guy didn’t come in front of you, you would have taken that kid out. Also you had your toe edge and would have been able come out of it if you had carve control. I didn’t see you carve once in this video, just speed checks, which are great, on bunny hills.
@@ByondTheNormNobody said you were supposed to “stop”. You should have gone to the right, and also stayed farther away from that little girl in the pink coat. Your speed was also a huge factor in your accident. Your camera shows nobody else was going as fast as you.
I see a snowboarder bombing a hill at high speed & what looks like a father/child pair. The father/child pair were acting in a manner very common for instruction/new riders, this was very predictable.
The snowboarder should have easily been able to predict this traffic pattern and avoide it.
New riders probably shouldn't be there.
@@FlopBrosHockeythe slope doesn’t look steep I think he’s just bombing
Agree looks green or light blue run
@@FlopBrosHockeylike why? That doesn't make sense. After a little learning to ski, you can go to slopes like that the first or second day. Or even start learning in that kind of slope, I've seen that. There's no minimum speed limit in any slope and all slopes are and should stay accessable to everyone no matter how good they are
Not only that but he was headed strait for the kid. He should have seen her and moved way over already and slowed down. You’ve got to plan for the unpredictable especially when you’re the only one that sees everything from behind.
Listen . I was skiing at Lake Louise on a beautiful clear day, such as this. It was not busy, and I was doing my old gal cruising turns on an easy blue trail. Next thing I know, I see nothing but sky. I didn’t have enough time to tense up, so I didn’t suffer an injury. The poor kid who hit me,(an Aussie), was beyond apologetic. I gave my advice in my best New York accent. “Just slow the f*%#down, when you see people” .
Snowboarder’s fault, absolutely
Biggest mistake was attempting to dodge on the same direction as the skier tbh
No the biggest mistake was not riding at a safe speed for his ability.
You get it
there was a kid on the right tho
Biggest mistakes was bombing a hill with beginners on it. 100 % the snowboarders fault
@@digiblak997 beginners on every run that they don’t belong on. Dude just needed to not target fixate. Simple, easy move a little right and he avoids all drama.
Snowboard is at fault, period.
Every ski resort I've ever been to says that you yield to uphill traffic. You never cut across a run without checking uphill first
@nickbryant2318 so with a helmet, a hood and goggles, the downhill skier is supposed to watch uphill. You have been fed some impossible bull.
Anyone downhill of you has the right of way
@nickbryant2318 yes and no, the snowboarder was still behind him and had 4-5 seconds of decision making time and had very little control other than bombing it
@@nickbryant2318literally the opposite of every ski resort in existence. Downhill rider has the right of way 100% of the time.
I was not as lucky as the skier (or in fact the child). In my case (Italian Kronplatz) the snowboarder probably also had alcohol and fled the scene before the helicopter arrived, after he broke my arm/ shoulder and hip and made my life difficult for many months, even after years the pain is still there. I have a clear opinion on whose fault it was, but I appreciate your honest contribution to this topic which may help people to think.
like most of the comments say its 100% your fault. But in my opinion its not a reaction issue or going to fast. Its a skill issue, your board control issue. Your attempt to turn rather then whip to your heal edge and dig in. If you had more board control you could easily avoid this. If you gonna go fast learn to stop fast, heal or toe side.
Also stop flat boarding and get on an edge.
I'm a full-time board and ski instructor. Riding 20 years. In the industry for 15. Snowboarder is completely at fault, no question. Skier did absolutely nothing wrong at any point.
Alpine responsibility code demands that the uphill rider always yields to the downhill rider, and that you ride in control at all times. Riding in control means being able to avoid the downhill rider at any time no matter what.
The skier has absolutely zero obligation to look uphill for any reason. He didn't cut you off. There is no such thing as the downhill rider cutting off the uphill rider. The only way you can cut someone off is if they are turning across the slope and you encroach on their line while passing from above.
There are no such thing as lanes on the hill. Riders are entitled to use all of the terrain and turn right across from edge to edge. If you are going faster and passing it's YOUR obligation to do so safely.
This skier was riding extremely predictably (not that he is obliged to) and was doing what all skiers do. Turning both ways while skiing down a slope.
The snowboarder is completely out of control, riding much beyond their skill level as clearly evidenced in the video. There's nothing wrong with going fast but there is a problem going fast if you are lacking the awareness and skillset to safely predict and navigate around slower riders.
Snowboarder is a huge hazard to themself and other mountain users. It's good that you're taking some responsibility and admitting some fault here but if you're really being completely honest and accountable you'll admit the skier did absolutely nothing wrong, including "swerving across the run" and that you endangered this innocent person by riding so recklessly and having such poor awareness that you had to throw yourself off the side of the run to avoid a major collision.
Ride to your ability level. If you're unsure about passing someone safely then slow down.
You're lucky this was a near miss. You could've seriously injured this man or the child and it would've been 1000% your fault - your responsibility - your liability.
Holy yap
Lol you sound like section c-36 of the Colorado penal code or something. Skier doesn't have a responsibility to look back? Ridiculous. You live in a society you animal, just because you have the right away doesn't mean you ignore every other person on the road. So dumb. Maybe you should have spent less time as an instructor
Thank you! I live in Tahoe and see people riding far beyond their abilities and causing collisions all the time. This is exactly the type of situation that could easily be avoided by just turning … but they can’t because they are out of control.
I dont ski or board, though i am curious to, when 2 riders going abouts the same speed but 1 EVERY so slightly ahead(like maybe a few meters at most) if they(ahead) end up just going across the slope past the other individual but they had a reactive response to seeing a glimpse of said individual and cause them to like fall or injure themself; Even though the rider crossing is more downhill, they would be liable for their own injuries? Im assuming theres rules or practices to not be close to or near other riders constantly and maintaining distances but i was just curious
Good post!
Even if you admitted it was your fault (which proves you're not a complete moron), as an experienced snowboarder you should have gone full right when he crossed you.
the only problem he was speeding flat base = no control + too little time for reaction, if he was carving I bet it would be possible to nicely avoid collision without landing in the forrest.
Exactly... Cutting hard right would've avoided the collision. It wasn't a crowded slope.
@@siewa26 He could've started turning right earlier, when the skier started turning left. But, like he said, he was focused on the kid and didn't see the skier until it was too late
He couldn't because he was boarding beyond his skill set to safely avoid the skier.
still coulda passed on the left side on toe edge but he lost control. needs to get better to be straight bombing like that anyway. the better you are the better your muscle memory, still shoulda been able to pull it off. slow down and work on your fast twitch snappy carves. shredding moguls is a good way to get better and they can actually be fun when you’re good enough to ride em on a board
You should know not to turn the direction someone is going. Much easier to turn the opposite way. In fact it makes avoidance effortless. Obviously it's a more difficult decision in the heat of the moment, but it comes with experience.
When you prioritize going fast over antipicating other skiers and adjusting your speed to account for them, you are NOT a responsible boarder and you should be kicked off the slopes until you learn that lesson. I go fast as well but if there are others near me I slow down closer to their speeds so I can anticipate unpredictable moves. That's not optional, btw.
It’s the guy going straight down the hill as fast as they can who is at fault.
Yup, 100% on the boarder. Skier was taking up the whole run, yeah, but it wasn't crowded and he was moving predictably. Easily avoided, boarder was going at a speed beyond their control.
Not even close. It’s the uphill skier who is at fault. This guy wasn’t even trying to control their speed and plowed into someone below. Imagine advertising that and posting it as a question.
It's like the autobahn if you're driving 200 miles an hour. EVERYTHING happening in front of you is your responsibility. 😂❤
I have always been under the impression that the person below you was the right of way.
Uh. It’s only posted on the board at every ski resort as a hard and fast rule.
Because it is. Anyone saying otherwise is a complete moron. Ppl saying the skier can look up the hill clearly dont know what theyre talking about. Yes you can, but it will likely throw you off balance a little bit. If youre uphill, its your responsibility
I just assume the thing that's moving the fastest should be the more responsible party, in most cases
throw off balance by looking up hill? man, you are just bad. get better. @@obvioustrash7833
@@obvioustrash7833If you aren’t looking uphill when you cross a trail you are putting yourself in danger. For your own safety you should check uphill when crossing a trail. If looking throws you off balance then you’re on a trail that is too difficult for your ability. Don’t always assume the person coming down is watching out for you.
100% snowboarders fault, and I snowboard. Very easy to anticipate that skiers turn and when he started cutting left you should have gone right, instead you went the same way he was going and ran yourself off the trail.
No he’s just not very good, there was enough room to get around the guy going left too. He just isn’t as comfortable on his toe side edge so he definitely should be going that fast.
Snowboarder didn't cut right because he thought skier was going to start cutting right very soon.
@@JS-fb6ww Yeah, but then skier had to go around the kid. Looks like a beginner slope, so expect people to go slow.
that’s why i always ski or ride after my son since you won’t believe how reckless people can be. I almost cried out when i saw the little kid in the video was not involved. I wonder where her parents were? maybe the skier was the father and was trying to stay behind his sweetheart?
Snow boarder is 100% at fault.. He is out of control and should learn to slow down in high traffic situations. If you see a tiny kid, there's usually a parent around nearby. If you saw him when you said, you should have gone right. Besides, there was still plenty of room on the left or you could have just stopped. You are riding beyond your abilities.
Yes, the person uphill is always at fault. Don’t go straight lining in the beginners area.
in any area with anyone else if he cannot control his board...
It’s not always their fault, if someone is cutting across a whole slope that ain’t the beginner or something it’s usually the person cutting across without paying attention’s fault, has happened to me a couple of times were I cut across
@@sandraberglund6627 while that may be annoying…it is always the uphill persons fault in a collision. They should be going with the flow and in control of the speed so that they can avoid anything below them. Always. I don’t, and I understand how the cut acrossers can be annoying. But it’s still the uphill sliders fault. That’s why the skier responsibility code exists, to clarify the grey areas. Brush up in it every now and then
@sandraberglund6627 nah. always. In this video in any case undeniable. Wide af slope, plenty of room and opportunity to avoid. River was clearly at a speed he doesnt have experience to control the board. And in general when approaching someone from up hill you should always make sure you can avoid now matter what they do...otherwise you should slow dow until you are sure.
@@robertgomez-reino1297 yup. Exactly. 🤜🤙
You were at fault. Even without the other skier, you were going to pass the little girl in pink WAY too closely, and too fast. Make some turns and slow TF down.
I don't think he knows how, that's the whole problem 😂
I don't think he saw the kid at first
A good indication of being reckless is the inability to avoid accidents. Speed exacerbates the problem here.
Yes always up hill persons fault, people below can’t see behind. With that there are things you shouldn’t do like cut in a direct across the hill suddenly without looking up. But the up hill skier has a wide view below them and can see where the other skiers are. Staying in control is key. You may have been in control going fast and straight by yourself but you don’t have enough control to be able to stop quickly and to be going that fast with others on the hill otherwise you would have speed checked yourself coming up on a child and given her huge room as kids are unpredictable. You would also have seen the dad trailing behind her following her and had already made a long turn in her direction. Many collisions are caused by lack of awareness and loss of control by people going to fast with not enough skill and consideration for others on the mountain. Going fast is fun but you have to look a mile ahead and constantly scan and then speed check to keep things safe when others are around.
I'm a snowboarder. Have been for a very long time. I'm now blessed to have two daughters who have taken up snowboarding. Countless times I have had to do the same thing that father did. It's called protecting your child from young ignorant riders who (likely) don't have kids yet. Good dads always play blocker. You could have killed that kid if you hit her. In which case you would have been praying for this result instead. Ride safe. Glad you did not get hurt.
That's getting a little hysterical. Clearly dozy boarder not reading the patterns and sashaying right over the crest but death was not on the cards here.
It’s rare but child deaths due to skiing accidents do happen. Even if it doesn’t kill, there’s potential for a TBI or other major injury.
Boo hoo dont take your kids skiing if you are so scared about it
@puhbrox scared about you and your ruthless bunch of...
@@puhbrox I do the same for my wife, it's just how it is on the slopes. There are a--holes who like to go fast and think they can fly down the mountain with little concern for others who take wider turns. Downhill skier/rider has right of way. You can't see behind you so it's up to you to avoid a collision with some you can see.
That "rusty metal box thing" gonna end someones life they gotta cover that!
It is the box of self reflection.
Ski as fast as you can stop. If you back up the video to the beginning you can spot the skier on the left of the slope on a slowish semi-traverse across the slope to the right hand side then he does a left turn and starts on a slowish semi-traverse back to the left. One might assume he wasn't skiing the fall line before the video commenced but doing zig zag back and forth then as on this vision. Straightlineing meant you had tunnel vision down the fall line. The slopes, like the road network are a two dimensional surface so one must be scanning left and right even if straightlineing especially at speed. You might have noticed his pattern a couple of his turns back and anticipated.
Bless that skier, he even stopped to check if you're alright after you nearly crashed into him
Nope he was angry, he is that childs father. This jerry made him cross the slope to protect her back
That's why there are usually signs saying that straightlining is prohibited. There may be someone less experienced making wider turns. And they don't have eyes in the back of their head.
Yeah flying down in a straight line isn’t bright either
The worst part is @beyondthenorm is in the comments claiming this isn’t considered out of control bc he’s been on board over 30 yrs. Meanwhile the shadow shows his stance and the edge usage speaks for itself as well😂
@@deebee5878 well clearly he's not out of control he just really wanted to scratch an itch he had on his ass with some nice twigs he saw.
100% snowboarders fault. He should have seen that guy way before they collided.
Last Clear Chance rule applies to everything, the person behind another person has the responsibility to monitor what is in front him and has the responsibility to adjust their speed and track. Remember the person in front of you, do not see you, they don't have eyes on the back of their head.
I appreciate your posting this because we need this discussion. Also appreciated your humility at accepting fault. Everyone should read the skiers responsibility code before they ride and if it's been years since you read it and think you know it, then you should re read it.
It's amazing how many people will say the skier was at fault and stick to it because they like going fast and think everyone needs to get out of their way. Near collisions and accidents happen, thank you for posting this so we can all learn.
I have not read one post that said the skier was at fault.
Boarder has slower reactions than my pet sloth
Does your sloth snowboard?
I bet he'd be considerate on the slopes ❤
Im a snowboarder myself, but you cant blame the other guy. He doesnt have eyes in his neck.
Your fault! Too fast for conditions, straight lining, and aiming straight for a little kid. Shame on you!
Definitely your fault. Stop snowboarding at speeds far beyond your ability. If you can’t avoid a person downhill you are out of control. Work on your fundamentals.
Its a typical rule that anyone in front of you has the right of way.
He was in control, he just made a misjudgment and took his responsibility by crashing himself and not crashing into the skier. He also never blamed the skier.
And yes, the person downhill has the right of way. That doesn’t mean you can’t pass them at high speed. He just had to have anticipated that the skier was going to cross the entire slope, just like he did in previous turn and stayed in the middle in order to pass him on the right instead of the left.
One incident doesn’t mean you’re boarding beyond your abilities, everybody makes mistakes from time to time.
He crashed so clearly he wasn't in control. What if that guy hadn't cut across and instead the little girl had made a sudden left turn? there is no way he could have stopped in time passing so fast and so close.
In traffic you need to be able to avoid people even if they make the worst possible turn at the worst possible moment.@@Toms_Channel
@@Toms_Channelyea right, I don't believe he even knows how to carve. It is why he picked a far side and blasted down the hill with his arms wailing, then gets butthurt after he runs into someone and ends up almost getting destroyed. Then he goes and posts it online, only looking for people who agree with him on not being able to stop in time.
Yes the rider in front has the right of way. However, it’s a common rule that most skiers can’t seem to follow. DO NOT TAKE UP THE WHOLE RUN WITH YOUR S PATTERN. the fast you go when skiing. The wider the pattern needed to advance down a run. This skier was going slower than Christmas taking up the whole lane. Making it difficult for anyone to pass. But undoubtedly the snowboarders more at fault, he was the one who could see the skier and the skier couldn’t see him. Glad the skier was nice about it, but I would be very frustrated as the snow boarder
"Watch me be an a-hole and then click bait you like im not trying" should be the title.
Why is there even a question about who is at fault? The snowboarder is obviously at fault.
The dude is making long, slow, and deliberate turns… 100% boarder’s fault
It’s not about uphill/downhill situation, you are speeding way too fast where at obviously beginner/family friendly area. Beginners and little kids can easily fall if someone pass really fast close by. I don’t understand why they don’t understand that. I don’t know if he meant, but the guy in front did really good job to protect the little kid.
I bet your the cause of a lot of accidents on the mountain the way it sounds....
The trail is an intermediate trail. It is not part of the beginner/family area.
Little children can be on any part of the mountain a parent takes them on. Children ski on all expert and intermediate terrain depending on their ability.
That's Dad acting like a guard to protect his kid for certain. That kid is too small to be alone.
@@cvn6555 Then stick behind her as you ski. That’s what I did with my children.
People keep comparing this to driving and it’s really not the same thing, it’s the uphill boarder/skier’s responsibility to avoid downhill traffic. Period. This isn’t a city street with lane lines and car blinkers, it’s a ski resort. The downhill skier (despite how annoying it may be that he made such wide turns) has the right to make his turns with the comfort of knowing the uphill rider will go around. The boarder should have checked his speed way before coming up on the skier. Doesn’t matter how long you’ve been riding or skiing, or how good you are, check your speed and pass safely.
So it's actually the same in traffic law. In a rear end collision, the car behind is liable.
So literally the same as driving
@@Nameenteredno cuz you’re expected to actually use your mirrors. Apparently you’re not expected to look at other people on the ski hill.
There will always be people doing large "S"s on the slopes, and there will always be beginners who are most welcomed, but there will never be someone with eyes on the back, thus it is up to us on the back to figure out what's happening in front of us. We should set universal ski/snowboarding rules like in driving - whenever you drive, you are obliged to always keep a minimal safety distance, defined as the distance needed to stop the car in whichever situation. If you hit on the back of another car because you failed to keep that distance, even if the other driver stopped because he or she is a bad driver, it is still your fault.
There is the universal code for skiers/boarders. Downhill person has the right of way.
Of course, nobody actually maintains those safe distances, but I respect the principle you're going for.
No matter what,
Snowboarders are always in the wrong.
Any experienced skier who’s taken a learner up knows this trick. The experienced skier does wide turns behind the learner skier to keep people who want to bomb down the mountain away from the learner. I’ve never seen it so perfectly executed, good job to the experienced skier!
Such bullshit. If you need to play defense of the entire run, maybe you picked the wrong run. Shits for beginners
i strongly disagree, the "experienced skier" wasnt making consistent moves and thats always a bad thing if you want to reduce the risk of anything happening try to be as predictable as possible.
@@finneich5105 His was the most predictable sweep across the run I've ever seen, what are you talking about?
@@KindredBrujahyea it was, but every sweep is unpredictable, at the point the crash or nearly crash is happening is path was obvious but before taking the sweep it wasn't obv he would do that
I just wanted to say if you try to protect someone stay behind him and don't drive on the other side to sweep behind him if you see someone coming that's just asking for problems in my opinion
And that's not to defend the Snowboarder at the end of the day it's his responsibility
But I don't like people praise sweeps on a ski run it's always a bad idea if there are others on the same run
@@finneich5105 I think the last sweep was specifically to protect the kid from the snowboarder. He arrived at the exact right time to achieve that, so it's a hell of a coincidence if it wasn't on purpose.
Snowboarder’s fault. 100 percent
Been snowboarding a long time and I say, If you see a guy going to the left… don’t also go to the left 😅
It's the snowboarder's fault in this case. He also could have avoided the crash by turning right instead of left. Also not waiting until the very last instant to realise the guy was on a crash course with himself. Always expect people to turn into you or keep going towards and use safe distances proportional to your speed. You also aimed at the only place where the kid was ... That is not the smartest decision when you see that the slope is nearly empty. I hope you don't intentionally try to create those situations to put it on CZcams.
You clearly lack the skills to be riding like that and almost hurt yourself and someone else 🤦♂️
Hit from back: Snowboarder's fault (I am a snowboarder). The speed was way too high approaching the hill. However, the skier could wear a more colorful coat instead of a camouflage one. Please wear bright colors on the slope.
Bond villains. Why wear white on a snowy mountain?! What is wrong with you?!
I was going to add something sarcastic since I’m a skier. I also skied with my kids when they were young and was protective of others that could cause major injury. I appreciated getting my motorcycle license a number of years ago. It taught me that everyone’s responsible, and you do your part to be a defensive rider. Anticipate, adjust and respond. It has saved me many times on the road and mountain.
You are behind, you are out of control riding on your heels. Learn to snowboard before gaining speed. You could have clipped the kid too. Don’t be an idiot ride within your capacity.
considering you would have hit his daughter I think it’s your fault
Bro what
@@HommeMoutardeYT you heard me, mustard man.
Going full speed means you are exponentially increasing your stopping distance that’s the risky take if you don’t know physics
Glad your pinned comment says it all. Question to you: why straightline?? Why the bombing? Where’s the fun in that? Practice your turn, carves, some little side butters, anything. Bombing runs are for 15yrs old who just discovered « wow speed fun ». Stop it
The way a see the skier (likely a father) saw a snowboarder going full speed in the direction of the kid and blocked the way to protect them from stupidity
👌👌👌
Not unless he’s got eyes in the back of his head
@@outtamyhead3005wouldn’t be surprised if he peaked and saw the rider 50 yards straight lining it. I ‘covered’ my kids like that annnnnnd now they do it for me 😅
Exactly what happened. Every Dad on the slopes takes up the rear to protect their kids from crapweasels doing this sort of thing.
“cuts across entire run” .. the way 75% of riders do ..
And they have every right to.
@@tomvandijkman2358 my point exactly , like how can you be mad
He’s protecting his daughter he saw this guy flying towards her
@@momitch62 he was literally flying straight at that little girl!?!?!
You can tell you’re a relatively new rider by how you’re bent over in your shadow- don’t go that fast and be ready for ANYTHING
Plus you’re on your heelside edge almost the whole way down which makes you very unstable when hauling a$$
The one going faster, the passer, ALWAYS HAS TO BE RESPONSIBLE. You are looking straight down and have full control over the situation. Cannot blame someone who can't look at you.
Im a snowboarder who lovvvvvves to go fast but as soon as I saw the skier start cutting across like that i would put the brakes on....... i woulda bitched about it for a sec then continued down the trail without having to crawl outa the weeds......took the lift up and tried again no harm no foul........
There's nothing to bitch about lmaooo. Everyone that has at least a little bit of riding experience would have seen that right when he made the cut
Just go around him smh
@matthewerker6368 there is no "around them." They're taking up the entire trail, you have to gain speed in order to pass them. They could also just cut back at any moment. Completely rude thing to do, if you aren't capable of looking up a trail before you cut, go on an easier trail. This trail has moguls skier has no right to be on that trail
@Jeff-uu9vo I agree with you but in the same breath why take the risk of confrontation or continue speeding past and getting clipped by him cutting across the run again? Just slow down and watch his movements and avoid the bullshit.
“No ‘going around them’”? 😂. That’s just inexperience. That guy’s pattern was completely predictable and easy to avoid. Passing would’ve been super easy.
Asking whose fault it is?
Easy: read laws and regulations and learn just a bit of common sense.
Skiers downhill do not look behind because they just cannot, not having eyes on their butts.
I had to quarrel several times with idiots uphill shouting at me for rightfully skiing across the slope.
Well you DO have to look uphill before starting out. If you have stopped for any reason, you have to check to make sure your path is clear. Otherwise you are cutting off the other skier.
@@cvn6555 both of you are correct. People ahead of you have the right of way. And look uphill before starting out or entering an intersection. But, oh boy- my favorite thing to hear up slope when doing my turns, minding my own business : “LOOK OUT”!
Yeah, that sucks when someone isn't in complete control but I try to remember what it was like when I was trying to learn. Took a long time only going once or twice a year, no lessons, no skiers in the family, to learn how to turn and stop. It is difficult and unnatural but worth it.
That man saved that kiddo.
Not gonna comment about who’s at fault, just gonna point out that you (POV cam boarder) were straightlining down a wide, moderate run directly toward a child. The skier inadvertently ran interference for the child skier.
In fact, upon watching it again, I’m pretty sure that even if the adult skier hadn’t cut across, you still likely would have had to bail left simply because of how quickly you were coming up on the child.
Slow down. Make turns.
You are correct this is entirely your own fault. If he wants to ski across the whole width of the piste he can and does it is up to you to avoid ALL obstacles down from you! Why are you even asking the question. Glad you are OK.
Look like the skier saved that child!
Boarder’s fault. Period.
Totally the snowboarders fault. The dude is going too fast for his ability and can’t turn very good. I realize a lot of snowboards really suck at carving, especially on hard snow. As a skier, and ex-competitive racer, I could have turned out of the collision path literally 20 times in that space whereas the rider was a “prisoner” of gravity and the fall line and had only one prescribed path down.
Always the snowboarder's fault.
Snowboarder 100% responsible for his speed and approach
The snowboarder is always at fault
So you broke at least two codes from the Alpine Responsibility Code.
YES!! Rules #’s 1 & 2.
If you can’t control your position on the mountain, you aren’t skilled or strong enough to be going that fast.
There are rare occasions when those downhill are at fault. Sitting in bad places around corners, over knuckles and rollers, etc. However, if you're riding like a hooligan, it's most likely your fault. And I say that as someone who rides like a hooligan most days. Just be polite and offer a sincere apologize if you have a close call or come together with someone. It goes a long way most times.
Normally it's snow boarders doing that to me 😂
Don’t straightline on a run with other people anywhere near you.
The snowboarder. It's ALWAYS the snowboarder. Unless they're both snowboarders. Then it's both of their fault.
Wild guess ,you snowboard
2 errors : The snowboarder does not have control by letting his board float, because he has plenty of time to change his trajectory or even apply emergency braking. The skier changes his line without looking behind, it's like changing lanes without putting on his turn signal. If both lacked experience, fortunately they acquired some without damage.
As a kid my friend got smashed by an old skier as we were boarding with an instructor. Dude went crazy until my instructor reminded him he was responsible and also that he'd beat the shit out of him if he kept harassing a crying child.
Accidents happen, try to prevent them and dont make them worse if they do, everyones out there to have fun.
As soon as I saw the wild straight-line I knew where this was going....
Bikers fault 🗣️🗣️
100% boarders fault as usual
I’m not sure it’s literally ever been a skiers fault..
Good lesson learned and I think you’re a great guy for posting this and taking responsibility.
I’ve been there too - going too fast around slower movers. some close calls, but i did not have a camera rolling. thanks for posting this!
No accident, no one is at fault. Should have gone the other way, probably avoid the nail.
Idk about always, I tried to pass a guy and I clearly and loudly yelled "ON YOUR LEFT", he cut in front of me to the left anyway, I cut right and went over the back of his skis then there was some cartwheeling and a broken thumb.
Snowboarder obviously at fault. Rusty metal box should not be there though.
Pov dude totally chose the wrong edge... But it happens!