Putinism: the ideology

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  • Speakers: Professor Anne Applebaum
    Recorded on Monday 28 January 2013 in New Theatre, East Building.
    Containing elements of managed democracy and corporate capitalism -- and reflecting the culture and values of the 1980s KGB -- Putinism is now taught to Russian children and propagated in the media. It has an ostensible goal: along with protecting the power and wealth of Putin and his inner circle, it proposes to make Russia strong and feared again.
    Anne Applebaum is the Philippe Roman Chair in History and International Affairs for the 2012-13 academic year.

Komentáře • 246

  • @therealbettyswollocks
    @therealbettyswollocks Před 2 lety +6

    I would love to see her modern take on this.

  • @IgorSinitsky
    @IgorSinitsky Před 7 lety +21

    Shes brilliant

  • @lesiachernysh1755
    @lesiachernysh1755 Před 6 lety +17

    Brilliant mind! Very articulate! Thanks Mrs Applebaum!

  • @freeforall1394
    @freeforall1394 Před 8 lety +15

    Anne hits the target and the target yelps out personal attacks while never countering her points with scholarly rebuttal. Standard operational surrender.

  • @Beretta249
    @Beretta249 Před rokem +3

    So why do people keep asking if Applebaum "likes Putin?" Her description of Putin is pretty mild compared to his actual record of theft and murder.

    • @philthompson8574
      @philthompson8574 Před rokem

      Compare the death toll of American imperialism with that of the Putin you will see that he is a paragon of restraint

    • @Beretta249
      @Beretta249 Před rokem +1

      @@philthompson8574
      Only if you're a fascist simp and a bad liar. Try to just be one of those, buddy.
      Oh and do remember MAD is still a reality. If you detonate a nuclear weapon in Ukraine, or _anywhere,_ Russia's a radioactive parking lot never occupied by anyone. Killing a billion people on the way out won't stop Russia from being disavowed by the human race.

    • @sigikah3916
      @sigikah3916 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@Beretta249
      The only nation that used nukes on civilians were the Americans.

  • @iancmcintyre
    @iancmcintyre Před 11 lety +1

    "You pointing at me, old man?"

  • @patrickbass3542
    @patrickbass3542 Před 3 lety +2

    Are the Russian people tiring of being pissed on while being told that it's only a summer shower?

  • @gunnarMyTube
    @gunnarMyTube Před 9 lety

    Has it been checked if Mr. Putin agrees with the assessment ? It could be useful feedback.

    • @CaliforniaGirl-qk5kq
      @CaliforniaGirl-qk5kq Před 6 lety

      In western democracies we have practice called equal time. Are you telling me that it was violated?

  • @sanjd6882
    @sanjd6882 Před rokem

    I love listening to Anne Appelbaum, it's so informative. As for the gentleman who made a statement that Putinism was a valid "alternative" to liberal democracy, firstly it came across as incredibly rude and arrogant. Secondly, in what universe of the human experience would one want to risk imprisonment, destitution or death for saying something contrary to the permitted narrative, why would one want an absolute monarch in the 21st century, and why would anyone want the state's wealth to be plundered by the leader and his acolytes. An alternative certainly, and not unique, but desirable to anyone not indoctrinated and able to speak freely????

  • @MartinJames389
    @MartinJames389 Před 10 lety +6

    "Chelski.... Chelsea as soft power" Ha! Yes! You don't have to be an Arsenal supporter to see that.

  • @renee-mariekrugkrug3989
    @renee-mariekrugkrug3989 Před 8 lety +8

    Putin's strong suit is as a reformer his weakness stems from not believing in Plaurality. An engaged innovative workforce would scare him.

  • @HeyGuy4321
    @HeyGuy4321 Před 9 lety +10

    Great talk

  • @johnhenni2808
    @johnhenni2808 Před 2 lety

    Being articulate like Ribbentrop or Beria ( which I believe that herridan is) is not a highly prized point of honor.

  • @maff77
    @maff77 Před 8 lety +1

    Her bit on Syria may have some element of truth to but I hardly think that's the main reason for 'Russia's behaviour' there somehow...

    • @shashankkolhe4111
      @shashankkolhe4111 Před 6 lety +2

      northsearat89 Russia is fighting in Syria to not allow Wahabbi ISIS backed caliphate there.
      Syria will then become a perfect launching pad to start Jihadi aggression against Russia

  • @wegder
    @wegder Před 2 lety +4

    If only Anne had warned us.

  • @genXcripple
    @genXcripple Před 2 lety +3

    Oo! I just ordered her book Red Famine the other day. My algorithm and microphone make such a wonderful couple lol

  • @nupagadii5834
    @nupagadii5834 Před 10 lety +3

    The stuff what is said here is very coplex it is difficult to have specific order, like some people would wished. I edmire Mrs. Anne E. Applebaum and her oustanding work and knowlage. She is coplex critique of Putin and it mostlikely will help to overcome his metioned weaknesses. It is good to mention about Russian iteligance history "Oparation Putat/ПУТАТь" - to confuse - and gay named: OPERput - its come to me that they're some analogy to it...

  • @macurik
    @macurik Před 9 lety +12

    21:46 And what would happen to a US based TV station if it broadcast something critical of Israel?

    • @LattiMonstaaa
      @LattiMonstaaa Před 8 lety +4

      sarnecczaki Nothing, its US based.

    • @inick54
      @inick54 Před 8 lety +2

      +sarnecczaki
      It wouldn't happen because the media in the USA has be paid off beforehand.

    • @LattiMonstaaa
      @LattiMonstaaa Před 8 lety +7

      R. Ukiddingme oh grow up

    • @inick54
      @inick54 Před 8 lety +2

      Thats you response?
      Really?
      How is what you say in any way a cogent rational argument responding to my (truncated) assertion that the print and elctronic media in the west is held/owned by only a few moguls who themselves are licensed by the state to run public media outlets.
      You can see my point can you not?
      Or do I have to spell it all out for you because its just too hard for you to work it out on your own.
      Or do you want to argue that what I have said has no basis in fact?
      Try thinking and communicating rather than impulsively asserting that you are some how a fountain head of wisdom, which, given your responses, you clearly are not.

    • @Arbo3000
      @Arbo3000 Před 4 lety +2

      Nothing

  • @juliohuato9053
    @juliohuato9053 Před 10 lety +3

    Ideally, I agree. In the face of existing international inequality of wealth -- and, hence, political and military power -- the assertion of national rights to political sovereignty as set under current international law is a small (though often toothless) defense that poorer countries can wield against wealthier ones. If this is right, then the path to true internationalism (cooperation on an equal footing) goes through the nationalism of the oppressed, as flawed as that path may be.

  • @sigikah3916
    @sigikah3916 Před 4 měsíci

    1:01:40 that's the main point about Putinism!

  • @BERENCEV
    @BERENCEV Před 5 lety +5

    Замечательное знание современной путинской системы...

  • @ssbraga
    @ssbraga Před 10 lety +5

    Very good.

  • @chevexx1111
    @chevexx1111 Před 2 lety +9

    The US has a semblance of choice as well. And America is absolutely a corporate oligarchy under the guise of a republic.

    • @grahamfloyd3451
      @grahamfloyd3451 Před rokem

      It's very facile to throw around terms like that. If you look at the US in isolation, you can call it anything you want. But your argument falls apart when you try categorizing the US and other nations under your definition.

  • @danmann3182
    @danmann3182 Před 7 lety +7

    A very beautiful lecture, Anne.

  • @nicolassacoto8541
    @nicolassacoto8541 Před 2 lety +2

    The thing I can’t understand is, which face of Russia’s history would be more descriptive of Putin’s ideology the USSR or the Russian Empire. Because yes I know that he was born in the USSR and he was a KGB agent and he has implemented some aspects of the Communist Party dictatorship but he use that to promote himself and not the communist ideology (the strongest opposition party to Putin is the Communist Party) and the Soviet Premier he admires was the one that was most against the Soviet status quo; but he says that the fall of the Soviet Union was a catastrophe. By the other side he gave a lot of power to the Orthodox Church and Patriarch Kiril, he has promoted the mythological tales of Russia’s Czars even building church’s and statues in honor of the empire, even promoting Nicholas II canonization, he investigated the truth about the Romanovs rests, he allowed the Imperial Family to return to Russia and his oligarch circle literally financed and assisted to the Royal Wedding (he even gave a honor guard to lavish the wedding), many call him a estatist monarchist and the closest political party to United Russia (LDPR) is just that: Far-right, Conservative, Religious, Estatist and Monarchist. So how Vladimir Putin could be described in that cense.

    • @gerteer3832
      @gerteer3832 Před 2 lety +1

      This is a symbiosis of ideologies-and this is correct -in our world, capitalism is already switching to elements of a planned economy

  • @sweetbird79
    @sweetbird79 Před 7 lety +21

    She is telling the truth.

  • @susannamarker2582
    @susannamarker2582 Před 2 lety +4

    The terms 'managed democracy' and 'corporate capitalism' could certainly be used to describe the institutions of the EU, notably how large companies tell the EU Commission how to shape laws for their markets, and how the EU Parliament just votes in copious loads of legislation from the Commission that member state parliaments have to adopt with no debate.

    • @JaKommenterar
      @JaKommenterar Před 2 lety +1

      Oh really, and did EU’s managed democracy start a full scale war?

    • @susannamarker2582
      @susannamarker2582 Před 2 lety +1

      @@JaKommenterar Yes it did. Germany's old foreign policy, forever pushing eastwards. It's old Drang nach Osten. Since 1871.

    • @JaKommenterar
      @JaKommenterar Před 2 lety

      @@susannamarker2582 That’s not a war, you can only back up your weak comparison by redefining what war means.

    • @JaKommenterar
      @JaKommenterar Před 2 lety +1

      @@susannamarker2582 And EU didn’t exist back then, genius

    • @susannamarker2582
      @susannamarker2582 Před 2 lety

      @@JaKommenterar The EU is the continuation of Germany by other means.

  • @nikolazuzic477
    @nikolazuzic477 Před 10 lety +6

    NOTHING BETTER TO DO?BUT TALK ABOUT RUSSIA?!!!WANNA HAVE SOME SIBIR FORTUNE?RESOURCES?GAS,OIL,WOOD,CLEAN WATER?DIAMONDS?GOLD?DON,T TELL ME THAT YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS?!!!EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS SCENARIO...LOL

    • @fridabulldog4190
      @fridabulldog4190 Před 8 lety +3

      +Nikola Žužić Kremlin's troll go home!

    • @CaliforniaGirl-qk5kq
      @CaliforniaGirl-qk5kq Před 6 lety

      You are right. With all its natural resources Russia is diamond in the rough. That is the reason why Applebaum was hired to assist in weakening and destroying Russia. Too many valuable mineral resources to let it go by. After all, Iraq war was about oil and not democracy in Iraq. 9/11 (which many believes was inside job) gave Bush opportunity to invade Baghdad. That it costed US over $3 Billion, it does not matter, after all Pentagon cannot account what many Billion of dollars were spent on anyway.

  • @sikorki-kanatestowy8771
    @sikorki-kanatestowy8771 Před 3 lety +4

    Słucham tego po 8 latach i jest 10 razy gorzej niż Ann Appelbaum mogła wtedy przewidywać.

  • @Ivan_Kozak
    @Ivan_Kozak Před 2 lety

    Well, now it`s very relevant

  • @yagganleeuw3205
    @yagganleeuw3205 Před 4 lety +2

    I find a lot of conjecture
    in Pof. A Applebaum's presentation and question answer section. For one, she has not visited the Russian Federation nor lived within the USSR; nor does she command Russian skills to have an objective view. I make my statement, as one who has all the above, that she has not. Very academic and nothing else.....

    • @jiriprochazka6366
      @jiriprochazka6366 Před 3 lety +2

      Yaggan Leeuw she has and she does!

    • @KalifornienWolfe
      @KalifornienWolfe Před 3 lety +3

      Jiri Prochazka is correct (and you are not): Anne Applebaum DOES speak Russian and HAS lived in the USSR. And has spent much time researching previous books on Ukraine, Russia, etc.

    • @robertos.7616
      @robertos.7616 Před rokem

      Transatlantic thinktank.
      Pushed from the beginning, would have never reached a degree in a mint study.
      Kind of people thinking to know everything better and tingle from show to show.
      Ufficially she is presented as a thinker. The birds in the trees do that too without getting money. 😅

  • @JaKommenterar
    @JaKommenterar Před 2 lety +1

    The Chelsea point became real life

  • @neuropsychdoc6341
    @neuropsychdoc6341 Před 5 lety +1

    How prescient given the Trump era!!!

    • @kenbowser5622
      @kenbowser5622 Před 3 lety

      Even more so since the new occupant. I'm sure his some deserved that $3.5 million from the wealthiest woman in Russia.

  • @tvwatcher1883
    @tvwatcher1883 Před 7 lety +11

    God Bless Her!!! and to see all the russian troll's vile comments below she's hitting them hard with the truth :)

    • @MidnightRambler
      @MidnightRambler Před 7 lety +3

      if i dont agree..they are trolls, if i agree they bringing the truth..

    • @shashankkolhe4111
      @shashankkolhe4111 Před 6 lety +1

      tv watcher Perfect example of a person living in bubble that is you.

    • @zamanium7517
      @zamanium7517 Před 6 lety +1

      I'm russian and it's clear that putinism is fascism as it is

  • @davideldred.campingwilder6481

    I think that Americans should learn how to pronounce Moscow correctly...It's Mosco(w) with the (w) being silenced. If you are an American reading this, try it...

  • @kenbowser5622
    @kenbowser5622 Před 3 lety

    Elections, ya say? Hmmmmm.

  • @JaKommenterar
    @JaKommenterar Před 2 lety +10

    The guy with the pro Putin propaganda would be embarrassed in 2022, if he had any shame

    • @johnhenni2808
      @johnhenni2808 Před 2 lety

      If you had any kind of intelligence you'd consult some brain power and some persons whose wisdom could calm the circumstances that may get us a nuclear exchange Churchill, Patton and Mc Arthur could only win one battle at a time. A nuclear armed missile may only take 20 mins tops to take out Moscow but enough time to wipe Los Angeles off the planet.😊

    • @JaKommenterar
      @JaKommenterar Před 2 lety +1

      @@johnhenni2808 That has nothing to do with what I said so you are clearly brain dead. Sit down before you hurt yourself.

    • @jasongray4517
      @jasongray4517 Před rokem

      Sad to say he'll no doubt be holding NATO responsible and absolving Putin from blame. Applebaum has been vindicated by recent events; her interlocutor rather less so.

    • @JaKommenterar
      @JaKommenterar Před rokem

      @@jasongray4517 Very true

  • @Russian86
    @Russian86 Před 7 lety +2

    Not sure if she's speaking or reading...

    • @Mega14556
      @Mega14556 Před 7 lety +4

      It's clear that she was doing both. I don't understand the question.

    • @StuartTheunissen
      @StuartTheunissen Před 2 lety +2

      This is a lecture not a TED Talk. Obviously you've never seen the inside of the university.

  • @skronked
    @skronked Před 2 lety

    Andropov at the next Ukraine

  • @Robert44607
    @Robert44607 Před 5 měsíci

    Russia is a one trick pony!!! Such a level of dismissiveness and mockery!!!

  • @deroconnor4621
    @deroconnor4621 Před 3 lety +8

    Putin has done a great job and is very popular in Russia, it is very hard to say the same for the West. The East has given a priority to social stability, the West appears to prioritize malice and self hatred at the expense of social stability.
    Every society needs a belief system to function. Belief systems that a grounded in the stories and historical experience of a people generally work better than those invented by bitter intellectuals, which is arguably the direction being pursued in the West.

    • @patrickbass3542
      @patrickbass3542 Před 3 lety

      What is the basis of Russia's belief system?

    • @deroconnor4621
      @deroconnor4621 Před 3 lety +1

      @@patrickbass3542 Orthodoxy. it gives a long view that never leaves a people. The opposite of the Germanic world view.

    • @oishikhasan8500
      @oishikhasan8500 Před 2 lety +2

      @@deroconnor4621 social stability comes from economic prosperity, mobility and welfare for the disadvantaged not from believing in phoney baloney religions and folklore

    • @deroconnor4621
      @deroconnor4621 Před 2 lety

      @@oishikhasan8500 The term "belief system" has greater utility.

    • @oishikhasan8500
      @oishikhasan8500 Před 2 lety +1

      @@deroconnor4621 knowing is better than believing

  • @stanleywhiteman6450
    @stanleywhiteman6450 Před 4 lety +2

    I think this Professor needs to learn another old Russian proverb: Elbow is very close but you cannot bite this elbow..(Близок локоть, да не укусишь..) Then, may be this person's view of Russia will not be only influenced by Polish mother in law.. ;) Peace...

  • @stellaadler1977
    @stellaadler1977 Před 7 lety +2

    The US wanted to isolate Russia and
    they isolate themselves. WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND!

    • @awuma
      @awuma Před 7 lety +1

      Paranoid nonsense. The opposite is true, e.g. consider ISS, which was conceived as a means for keeping the Russian space program going and its engineers and scientists staying in Russia.

  • @CalifornianOnEEurope
    @CalifornianOnEEurope Před 10 lety +7

    since WHEN she is a PROFESSOR? I think it is a mistake. Plus the lecture is as dull as reading from a paper can be. READING from paper... a basic NON NO for a good lecture.

    • @MartinJames389
      @MartinJames389 Před 10 lety +3

      Depends on the forum. Academics often refer to "reading a paper".

    • @CalifornianOnEEurope
      @CalifornianOnEEurope Před 10 lety +2

      both forms are correct both 'reading a paper' as well as 'reading from a paper'. plus some academics happen to have PhDs in computer sciences or law not English literature :-)
      What can be said for sure she is no Professor and using the term is abusive for all the scholars that have provided tangible and substantial contribution to literature rather than ripping off Zolzenicyn's Gulag.

    • @pawelpap9
      @pawelpap9 Před 9 lety +2

      In anglo-saxon world "professor" is a job, not a state-given title. You can easily verify on LSE IDEAS website that Anne Applebaum is listed as a professor.

    • @MartinJames389
      @MartinJames389 Před 9 lety +1

      pawelpap9
      And in the UK that means more than it does in the USA where, as I understand things, any university teacher with a doctorate is called a "professor".
      In the UK, a professorship is a SENIOR academic appointment, often the head of a university department and most university teachers and researchers are called "readers" or "lecturers" -until or unless they are awarded a professorship, which many never are.

    • @CalifornianOnEEurope
      @CalifornianOnEEurope Před 9 lety +1

      In the US a professorship is also SENIOR academic appointment as well. Using the term for her in ANY VENUE is a depreciating for the term and its usual esteem. She is a professor much the same like a high school teacher with no BsC can be called a professor by hugh school students. In Poland where she LIVES a professor is ANY teacher in high school. Even one that has no bachelor's degree would be called a professor. This does not change the fact that CALLING any such "professor" professor by ANYONE outside of high school would be laughed at. She holds no job as ANY professor at any US institution. Calling her a professor is abuse and nonsense. She knows less about communism and soviet union than any of use to have lived in it. Her "lectures" are great for clueless beaurocrats. Please stop peddling her reading and pathetic lecture style as anything valuable or engaging. She is pathetic at speaking. This is easy to see for anyone to have seen a good lecture on ANYTHING else, can even be on how to build electric motors. in my view she has nothing valuable to say unfortunately and even given this she cannot deliver any speeches in an engaging way. It shows that even good universities produce questionable level of education for some liberal arts graduates. I oppose Putin but with such FRIENDS like beurocrats educated by her(her husband being a cabinet minister in PL gov and a total bull) who needs ANY ENEMIES. LSE IDEAS is like a night school moonlighting project sucking the air out of LSE name.

  • @malina28202
    @malina28202 Před 2 lety

    I will never listen to Anne Applebaum again after what she said about Crimea. Dear Anne, Crimea is Ukraine and if you don’t see it, stop talking about Ukraine. Your interview with Zygar falls into sweet ears of Russian propaganda.

  • @ututura
    @ututura Před 8 lety +5

    putin and israel's state are the only ones who do know what time is it. period.

  • @shrappnells
    @shrappnells Před 4 lety +3

    1:01:33 This guy killed these clown with a dose of cold served truth.

    • @romeomatei5692
      @romeomatei5692 Před 2 lety +1

      Your guy is a douchebag. Right now Putin invaded Ukraine.

    • @a.m.armstrong8354
      @a.m.armstrong8354 Před 2 lety

      @@romeomatei5692 It was necessary.

    • @a.m.armstrong8354
      @a.m.armstrong8354 Před 2 lety

      Shrappnells. John Berriman. I agree with the guy! Independence terrifies the West.

    • @romeomatei5692
      @romeomatei5692 Před 2 lety +2

      @@a.m.armstrong8354 Hello, Krembot, how do you do?

  • @Robert44607
    @Robert44607 Před 5 měsíci

    Such a Russophobe!!! Not suppressing considering her ethnicity and Nationality too!!! 😂😂😂

  • @a.m.armstrong8354
    @a.m.armstrong8354 Před 2 lety +1

    'Liberal Democracy' from my perspective equates with Liberalism and Neoliberalism. The goal of Neoliberalism is wholesale exploitation. In 1993 its mantra for Africa was 'Recolonialsation'. Recolonialisation amounted to the insertion of Nelson Mandela as a puppet leader in South Africa, conflict in Rwanda/Congo, and destabilisation of Soviet/China-influenced leaders such as Mugabe in Zimbabwe. The objective was furthering the exploitation of that continent. Neoliberalism is not above collapsing an economy if it is non-amenable to Neoliberal (US) control. Hence the Wall-Street orchestrated collapse of the Asian Tiger economies in the nineties, coincided with the Japanese 'lost decade'..
    As for 'carefully focused acts of violence', no example betters the US example. African Americans continually subjected to strategies of support by the Neoliberal establishment for African American cultural mainstream, while concentrating media attack upon elements seen as disruptive. Beyond America, CIA specialising in exploding cigars and poisonings of iconic figures such as Malcolm X and Marley, if they threaten geopolitical objectives.
    To my mind then, Anne Appelbaum's opposition to what she identifies as 'Putinism' characterises her body language and delivery. Putin she presents as a Bond-villain baddie who has got hold of the planet's largest nation, as opposed to the remote Pacific island. From his territorial fastness Appelbaum's frustration is that Putin has made his nation far harder to manipulate, while gradually returning it to being an international force to be reckoned with. If it was '17th in terms of geopolitical importance behind China, North Korea and India, etc', in 2016; it is second behind China now. That's progress in my book, but irrespective of Anne Appelbaum's rhetoric, Neoliberalism doesn't do alternatives, so Russia must be dismantled, now or never, in case real pluralism presents itself to those non-aligned of this world.

  • @a.m.armstrong8354
    @a.m.armstrong8354 Před 2 lety

    "15.00: The semblance of opposition.." We do that in the West too! Putin is right to ensure his nation is impenetrable to external subversion. It's what sovereignty is about..

  • @kathyroppel5350
    @kathyroppel5350 Před 8 lety +5

    she cant be serious

  • @CaliforniaGirl-qk5kq
    @CaliforniaGirl-qk5kq Před 6 lety

    Russia had been robbed by Oligarchs, most of them were Russian Jews, who after stealing billions of dollars from Russian people moved to West where they are purchasing basketball and soccer teams and live very comfortably. Putin wanted to become part of NATO, and NATO responded no. We needed boogey man who could justify $620 Billion + a year in military spending by United States. However, while we are concerned about Russia, China takes over US position in the world.

  • @freeforall1394
    @freeforall1394 Před 10 lety +6

    "terrible speech and shame on LSE"....Nashist.

  • @epastas1
    @epastas1 Před 2 lety

    sorry but this is only words,not actions but only words this is not enough ,rusian fashism is terrible

  • @capitosinora
    @capitosinora Před 6 lety +4

    This woman is just another CIA quasi analyst.

    • @CaliforniaGirl-qk5kq
      @CaliforniaGirl-qk5kq Před 6 lety +1

      John Smith - you are right. She is paid to spew anti Putin propaganda to destroy Russia. That is CIA goal. And she acts accordingly to what she is paid for.

    • @crimony3054
      @crimony3054 Před 6 lety

      CIA analysis shows there is a continuing appetite in English-speaking audiences for this type of fare.

  • @valgehiir
    @valgehiir Před 9 lety +3

    I can not listen to her voice.. at all

  • @joececcacci4879
    @joececcacci4879 Před 5 lety +1

    The Russian people seem to be comfortable having Putin as the leader.

    • @StuartTheunissen
      @StuartTheunissen Před 2 lety +3

      Yes, you might also 'seem' conformable if a contrary posture means a dose of polonium-210 in your morning cuppa.

  • @andreyrussian2480
    @andreyrussian2480 Před 5 lety

    Just US spy with a legend

  • @enrytime
    @enrytime Před 10 lety

    She talks too fast. Why? not a good speaker at all