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- čas přidán 17. 11. 2023
- Project owner Malaysia Rail Link says its passenger trains will travel at a maximum speed of 160km per hour when operations begin in 2027.
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ECRL uses 1435mm standard guage, which means that High Speed Train can be used when commercially viable.
The issue isn't the gauge size but the quality of the track to handle at higher speed. Anyway, in to-day's environment, the KTM freight train hardly average 20 km per hour with the cement train averaging even below 15 kmph on over all basis. Better communication system may help to improve the basic speed!
Name me a country that their rail system are profitable and commercially viable? Is our LRT, Monorail, MRT profitable or commercially viable to have so many weird station stopping at location where kucing pun takda? Train is not a direct commercial business, it is commercial support services
@@kongming2005 , The concept of profitability depends on how you look at the issue, from just a private enterprise based on ROI or like China simply based on national gains.
Tipu😮bodoh bout😅
@@martinlai923 , you seem unable to put up any rational opinion on the issue and then criticize others. The WB has indeed shown that the national logistics cost in China had been reduced what 29.2% in 91 to 14.2% last year based on her GDP. If you know how to count........
Victor are right it can be upgrade to original plan car of 350 KM before Mahai change the spec on renego in 2018.
Not sure if that moron changed this but he surely tune down and cancelled HSR to Singapore and we paid millions in compensation
This project seems to be the same as the successful Laos train with 70% freight use and a top speed of 160 km/h for passenger service.
Was the high speed rail part of the original contract but taken out in the renegotiation? This would explain the confusion.
no.
It is never meant to be a HSR project.
It was initiated by Najib's administration to link East Coast to Part Klang.
Goods can be transported fast . It is a good project actually.
And secondly it serves as a rail line from Selangor direct to Kelantan.
Once started ,the infamous bottle neck that so common during festive season will likely be a page of histoey
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Cargo doesn't need to travel at 170kph or 350kph
I don't think we need HSR as the distance is not that far and not many people.
the need is not there because its not available, but imagine that if it is. You can stay with your family in the rural areas and work in klang. Lower cost of living plus it will encourage people to move out of KL, bringing more economic activities in Kelantan. But based on the video I guess it not possible because of the rail it self, probably too much curves. I assume the train can reach a max of 350km/hour but if its too much curve then it would be dangerous
Bro, you need to see in bigger picture. HSR has incomparable potential versus ECRL since HSR enable connection from Singapore to China. The longer the track is the bigger economic value it will bring in.
@@ifques30i think for now the original speed proposed is enough (160kmh for passenger & 80kmh for freight). We must remember that this project mainly for reducing shipping time for about 30 hours between china and europe in order to compete against SG as long as both of our ports in Kuantan & Klang has the capacity to do so. I understand that High speed rail is also important but considering the signalling tools and maintenance cost etc, it will be too risky for the gov to pull off.
Kl spore is busiest air route, hsr useful. But ecrl, if not urgent, why ship want to unload, put on train, then reload to another ship? Risk of damage n high costs
@@theauthor3259 as per original plan, the ecrl is built mainly to cut shipping hours up to 30hr between china-europe route , Thailand also plan to build a canal across their land for same purpose. And im sure they already done the risk assessment before executing the project. And as for now the Gemas JB double track project is ongoing and will complete by next year so ETS service can run full swing from JB to KL Sentral later. So i dont think HSR is needed at least for now
200kmh already a blessing
Give us proper roads in Sarawak first, please. In return for the oil and gas you take.
pan borneo highway already cantik what
Who's gonna take it? Your Abang Sarawak isn't? Just accept the fact that the one who steals Sarawak money is Sarawakian leader.
Why the fuss,?? more than 85% Malaysians know it's not a high speed rail since the early days of the construction. The other 15% probably don't care
Yes every body no it is semi hi speed raill only. Just kl singapore first pland to buil spd trains but cancel bcos the coz to hi.
A lot of stakeholders want to take a premium cut from HSR project.
I knew it wasn't high speed 🚅 and I don't care whether it's hi-speed or half-speed. That's 100%.
Not a fuss. If you follow the story, all the while we knows that ECRL is designed for 160kmh. But then, few days ago 1 guy told to the media that the train can go 300kmh++. Then MRL refutes the claim. MRL said that ECRL only designed for 160kmh.
Was the contract revised after 2018 to cut down cost after cancellation?
Short sight.
Yes
We have the same moron who loves to do something to be seen but not practical
@@namazlur78
So the ECRL is just medium speed rail, (MSR).
Like 5G, Malaysians get served with 3 star quality.
@@williemyapfc8905 ECRL is cheaper cost & subsequently cheaper tickets. Imagine a RM300-350 hsr tickets per person who can afford on daily or weekly basis? The ecrl was meant for eastern port cargo from china to be brought on west port in under 36 hours compared to 5 days to go around with ships. So it was not a passenger oriented service.
Ngl, when they said it's not to be more than 200kmph, I felt a slight relief. In the past, even in a well maintained high speed train in a modern country, a slight accident can transformed into a derailment disaster that can cause high number of casualties. Knowing my sister prefer public transport rather than driving on her own, she would likely opt for the train once it is fully complete.
Money doesn't grow on the tree. Higher speed means higher operating cost. High speed train that travel more than 250kmh also required a LONGER distance to brake safely. It is also INEFFICIENT and WASTE OF ENERGY when the train stop in a distance less than 30km. In fact, Malaysia already enact too many stop within ECRL.
You are so right, anyone that uses electricity and driving a car also waste energy and money best to cycle or walk to do whatever we need
Safe journey is matters..
Speed kills..!!
There is no "safe" speed for heavy train. No difference between 160km/h and 350km/h.
Hsr is expensive. Look at jakarta bandung. 150km = 9 to 10b usd.
Not 9 or 10b but 7.3b usd research first then comment 😂
Tbh their conventional train can be run 160km/h but due to safety limit 120km/h
@@killuagon2274in indonesia, locomotive diesel train can to be 120km/h
@@killuagon2274No it's more than that. While ECRL with 665 km length only cost less than 10 billion.
KTM in disguised.....😊😊
nak sama macam KTM ja.. yang ni laju lebih sikit ja
It will be game changing when we could achieve this , imagine you can work in kl while living johor ? how amazing is it , cut travel time , and boost local economic
Then we lost it to Indonesia already. Sad
Laju laju nak pergi mana. Santai aje.
Mamat tu nak keretapi laju konon malu kat luar negara.Nak cepat pergi meeting.Last last nak cepat ke alam barzakh 😅😂
ECRL more or less will disturb singapore economy
Agreed as long as Kuantan and Klang Ports has the capacity to do so
👍👍Say what u like, Malaysia 's progress and prosperity are in the hands of Malaysian. You have a choice of what you want and when u want it to full speed in order ....to better plan n serve the people in your country. Affordability or financial issues are always around whether u buy a kati of kailan or ikan billis vs kankong or grouper. Malaysia has no shortage of talents. Most countries will welcome Malaysian with open hearts. Hope to see high speed rail from Thailand to Malaysia and.... Singapore in my life time. Dont wait for the x colonials. They are more more profit and political centric.... eg how long more they can milk you. So seek out willing partners and opportunities and Go for it Malaysia 加油！
Travel slow so no deaths daily
Adakan laluan rel ke seluruh bandar2 utama seluruh negeri2 dalam malaysia...ia dapat meningkatkan ekonomi bandar setempat dan tumpuan pelancongan
Able to reach 250 kmh during testing
MRL can say all it want but a 160km tracks do need to be laid on concrete beams as base support the tracks, infact most of 1.4m gauge normal commercial passenger tracks can support up to 200kmh, similar to your car can go 200kmh in race tracks. Those that run on concrete beams are HSR tracks.
The real reason the speed of ETS is limited to 140km and not 200kmh is its tracks are too narrow at 1m instead of 1.4m standard tracks.
Narrow 1m tracks are suitable for slow freight trains but far too narrow for commercial passenger train. The real reason we have 1m tracks was they were originally built by the british to carry tin and rubber at a time when those 2 commodities were critical to them for processing into consumer products, to the ports where their ships can ship them to UK for processing, certainly not out of their generosity.
Guane is JUST one aspect of Design Speed. Curvature , Gradient and Load are MORE critical.
ECRL is 1,435mm
Our priorities are all messed up. Would have been better to build a high speed link between KL and Singapore.
Nope, its not viable
High speed rail shall have at least minimum 1000 km lenght to make it a economic vible...
@@zainuddinmdalip5243 ,no need la 300---1300 km is the ideal distance for HSR. Less 300km seems too near, more than 1300 km seems too far.
1000km, ? This is OK but not the minimum
For Malaysia, ? If money is not a problem, then build HSR from JB to Padang besar
@@sc5252 and then depend how many potential user..... with malaysia population just only around 30 millions and minus peoples from east coast and east malaysia .... it will be just only around 20 miIllions potential users.. I dont think it will profitable......
@@zainuddinmdalip5243 , when I said money is not a problem means Malaysians should have much higher income than now la, or say Malaysian ringgit has much higher value than now, then foreigners will come to build HSR in Malaysia, Malaysia don't feel it's so expensive if ringgit is say twice its present value, example if RM 2.30---2.40 can buy USD 1. Just like around 1985
Imagine if Japan or China or Korea come to build HSR and work out the ticket price from JB or Penang to KL be about USD 25 , so if this is only RM 57---60. It's acceptable to Malaysian, but now USD 25; is MYR 115, too expensive la, unless all Malaysian have about double of present income, example minimum wages is RM 3000 per month instead of RM 1500
As usual, our mindset is “world class plan, third world implementation “, unable to comprehend the essential rationale of economic reality but POCKETING the difference into the vested politukus 😢😢😢
ok, as long as the tender is not bill as High speed rail.....
Najib razak brainchild. Thanks Najib
❤❤Aiyah My dear fellow, “high speed” is relative… in bolih land anything that exceeds the speed of a typical traffic jam in KL Federal “Highway” is high speed lah. So don’t lah quibble over a few km/h lah.🇲🇾
true
We DONT NEED a 300kmh train
Anyone ! How long is the journey from KL TO KB or back to KL ?.
Based on Google Maps says 6hr 27 minutes.
Sounds like a normal stuffy bus ride to me. Might as well drive. At least you can pull over any time to take a breather or a pee. But sounds great for cargo.
Please don't forget to pit stop in kemaman for the BEST NASI DAGANG IKAN TONGKOL.
@@suliwa670inside here can also pee, if traffic jam where you gonna pee? Peak season like raya, going back to pantai timur from KL will take roughly 15-20 hours 😅
@@suliwa670 Thats normal driving by car or bus through Gua Musang. The ECR will cut the time to 4 hours from typical 7 hours drive included stopping.
waste of money to make it HSR. HSR is not cheap. even US and UK having problem with HSR even after talking about it for decades. HSR in east coast is a road to nowhere. if government make HSR for east coast, the rakyat should be questioning why. even the HSR between KL and Singapore was questioned and put on and off and on again.
Kuda tua mungkin tak laju, tapi steady masih padu.
High speed rail (max speed up to 350km/j) like Indonesia compare to m'sia ecrl (max speed below 200km/j) is deferent spec n cost .
The limit 160kmh is not the ECRL tracks, but the trains exactly like the expert said. Even simple ktm ETS-type tracks can go 200kmh instead of 140kmh IF ONLY they were built with STANDARD 1.4m wide gauge instead of the NARROW 1m freight tracks for slow freight trains.
Those experts arent stupid they know what they are talking abt, but fast trains are expensive to run, similar to running your car at 350kmh instead of 140kmh.
@@mejust8392betui.. kalau nak ubah jadi HSR ada duit boleh jalan✌🏻✌🏻
Different speeds, different specifications needed, so different prices la, simple!
@@sc5252 yeah that's right
@@syamilfauzi3193 , ikan bawal or ikan kembong, all are fishes, but different prices la
Singapore -Kl is HSR but being cancel and being peanlty fine KL waste money just like that😅
isnt our spec 1m guage? hence the 160km/h limit
1,435mm. Same as Shinkansen. The speed are not only depend on gauge. They also limited by other factors like tracks, signalling, motive powers, curvature, etc.
No need 350km per hour.
Kereta api paling laju di asia tenggara. Speed 370km/H. Lagi laju dari Whoosh Indonesian yang hanya 350km/h
kereta laju indonesia bisa mencapai 450 km/h tpi untuk keselamatan hanya boleh di izinkan standar tertinggi 350 km/h
I wonder what cargo they plan to carry on those trains.
Cargo from China
You should learn about malaysian future transport and economy. Malaysian is well prepared if Kra channel developed in Thailand, Kuantan port and planned Tok Bali port wlll be our main ports to replace penang/Klang/JB. To reduce cargo transportation cost from east coast to west coast in , ECRL is the solution.
@@brojack1378 what happens if kra canal never gets built? Current thai PM tryin to rejuvenate the plan but you only save max 4 days sailing if ships can go through kra canal. Dont forget, ships need to queue up like at suez and panama before getting through. So one day wasted at anchor, plus you need to pay hefty charges. Which is free currently through straits of malacca.
@@syedputra5955 with ecrl cargo from south china sea will only take 36 hours to reach west port in klang straits of malacca. But if you around by ships it will take 6-7 days. So ecrl is built to tackle that problem too
@@namazlur78 also cargo from all other countries. it will disturb singapore economy
Xsmpai 500km pun jarak
So klau 160kmh shud shorten the distance to
No need highspeed. We work Jangan Kerja Rajin
We kerja rajin but not rushing.
Look at the number of stops. And look at the distances that need to be covered. Only ignorant people insist on 350 kph. 350 kph is to replace flying. Anyone flying to Mersing?
The other thing. Is this channel saying Malaysia is free, or someone needs to free Malaysia? Who? Singapore? Kiahsu?
Speed matters for safety.
In the post of GE15 2022, Msia is encumbered with an inherited debts goosebumps at RM1.5 trillion.
Govt's fiscal policy commingled with DDI and FDI must be able to hassock the opex throughout the project's life span via the cost benefit analysis.
Well one contributing factor is a blunder in reverting to SST.
Whatever said about Najib, he managed economy much better. GST brought in much needed revenue.
Debts is one issue, having the ability to think deeper is another. Hope that our current government can make things right again from those morons that run the country. Japan, Indonesia, Korea and many countries are in debts. Greece was bankrupted especially their main port, the China tookover the management and now the port is profitable, Greece is back to their feet
@@shamshulanuar7718 Lol, the extra "revenue" that will be brought in by Najib will go to cover the hole of 1MDB, instead of helping the rakyat
So many youth from Kelantan are running away from Kelantan every year to enjoy a better life in developed state like Selangor. The train no need to set so fast lah, Kelantanese's salary cannot afford also
True. But later vote pas in selangor. The danger you see in election.
This will help improve income disparity and socioeconomy. Don’t be so brain dead
One of gune lutut when comment.... did you know... Kota Bharu Airport is 4th busiest airport in Malaysia?? If they can paid for flight... celah lubang hidung ko jee die nk bayar tiket train tuu.... easy...
Lol, seems you so ignorance and don't know much about Kelantanese...and look down to them. Most of top management in private sectors are Kelantanese and most Kelanatanese are running businesses all over the country, not just in Kuala Lumpur. I think you should travel more and get out more from your own bubble. Even Chinese, Indian and Siamese Kelantanese are proud being Kelantanese more than being Malaysians! Typical China man.
ECRL = existing KTM line.
Nope, it’s a newly built line from kelantan.
@@namazlur78 , i' address for the speed.
@@adrianwang2724not really. KTMB ETS max operating speed is 140kmh. But ECRL max operating speed is 160kmh. So still slightly faster.
@@adrianwang2724everyone should have fucking know it. ITS NOT A HIGH SPEED TRAIN.
Absolutely wrong. They built 1435mm gauge track for this project. Existing ktmb lines use meter gauge originated from British colonial era
Cut bajet lepas tu nk laju...elok najib buat depa p cut...
Pay Formula 1 price for a 2.0 litre car.
I'm sure Formula 1 engines can be less than 2L!
Please google/wiki.
SMH.
Langgar rimau 😂😂😂😂
Yahudi & nasaro tidak pernah redho kepada Islam...Assalamua'laikum.
High speed rail require much much higher cost. For our small country i think 160km/h are fast enough and cost effective.
😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂
komang spanar. jado low class. Pelik jer Malaysia
We.are not idiot la...........
ticket very expensive if its high speed train
😂
It’s company monopolised by Malay, they can’t handle high speed trains, they are too slow and lazy
Is it possible to make ECRL to become high speed train because China has the expertise with the high speed train....
Yes, but more importantly, economic sense. Is Ringgit ready?
laaa...bukan high-speed train... okay..bye
High speed train KL Singapore.. Tapi cancel sebab Malaysia xde duit x nak nanti berhutang mcm indon seratus tahun pun bayar x habis dgn China. Malaysia ambil keputusan xjadi buat. ECRL train kelajuan biasa2 jer.
Err. The benefit outweighs the cost.
Exm.MRT
It improves transportation system .
What benefit?🥱
Otak berfungsi dgn baik kau ni
@@shamshulanuar7718you can't use a metro system like MRT and LRT and compare for this. The only comparable system to ECRL & HSR in M'sia is KTMB ETS. And, in terms of HSR, not just any ETS service, but the Platinum/Business Class services.
Tbh their conventional train can be run 160km/h but due to safety limit 120km/h then they can pay loan their gdp nominal 4x times than malaysia 😂
Jakarta alredy done malaysia still thinking.gd gd perfect example of Malas.
No need such comparison. Jakarta a much denser island. This make rail transportation is viable. Look at its ridership.
Malaysia still lose to Indonesia.. what a jokes..! 😂😂😂
Malaysia is always above Indonesia.
aku rase projek ni mmg membazir kalau stakat 150kmph nyer speed 😅,sape la luluskan projek ni dulu,xpikir ke,najib ke?
It is shame due to some short sightedness of our politicians. Remember that moron which said "rakyat Malaysia lebih suka internet lambat" and also another moron that cancel the HSR KL-Singapore and paid millions in compensation. Bayangkan bertapa memalukan apabila travelers datang dari Vietnam, Laos, Thailand atau flyover dari Jakarta/Bandung selepas naik high speed train kat sana.
Imagine the mentality kat government office boleh sampai dan siap kerja balam 2 jam tak nak, mau guna 4 jam atau lebih utk satu journey. If it can travel at 350km/h I would probably take this rail to east coast for meeting and leisure (the moment we reach there can use Grab to reach final destination) but if they train is so slow, I wouldn't want to waste my time on such train, I rather drive there myself.
Victor Gao is right and smart to propose the potential to upgrade. Think deeper if it can carries 10million passengers and x amount of freight goods and NOW we need to spend 2-3 hours more on these line such decision FORCED rakyat and waste 20-30 millions on a unproductive train. Is such mentality positive to attract investors to invest in Malaysia? The list of pro and con goes on and on for higher speed.
China is testing their new train that can travel around 1000km/h and one can travel from Shanghai - Hangzhou in 9 minutes (almost 180-200km journey, like traveling from Rawang to Melaka in 9 minutes)
waste of money. you want to get there so fast for what?? you reach there also everything else is slow pace of life. you think it's cheap? who can afford or who wants to pay so much just to save one hour. if build the HSR and then nobody takes the rail then are you going turn around and accuse the government of building a white elephant?
Some may not know that Morocco and Uzbekistan, these two countries are not so rich nor have too big population, but they have a hsr.
Morocco, Al Boraq railway between Casablanca to Tangier. 323 km
Uzbekistan, Afroyisob railway from Tashkent to Bukhara. 599km
While Saudi which has slightly more population than Malaysia, but much higher income, also have a hsr called the Haramain railway, Mecca to Medina 453 km
HSR KL-Sg only benefits Sg more than Malaysia. Better connection for rural implementation first cuz we have enough of over unsustainable urbanisation. Malaysia need to develop its own strength without any foreign interdependency. We are not like Sg, which is not really a country but just a mere big multinational city.
@juiccybaze majority of SG professional workers are Malaysians. They always come back. Expertise transfer require a set period of time which involves in relocation and/or migration. You dont need daily high-speed train which are normally used daily by local domestice users.
@@sc5252 but morocco has to pay a lot of debt that cause them getting poorer
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No
need high speed,from120 up to160 utmost
malaysia cocok ECRL...daripada HSR..😂😂
Malaysia ECRL 665 km cost only 7 billion USD is way better than HSR Jakarta 100 km that cost 10 billion. Bodo Jokowi! 😂
Pingin HSR je...tapi Malaysia banyak masalah...tak jadi jadi....sampai sekarang ribut terus 😂..
@@danialmuqsith2433 Mestilah, sbb di Malaysia dah byk train. Konoha byk ojek aja 😝
@@shukriramlee memang Malaysia saja banyak train...rel biasa semua negara ada 😅...sistem persinyalan HSR yang belum tentu ada selain biaya mahal lama...karena biaya per km tiap negara belum mampu...tuh Sultan Johor sampe netes air liur..banyak drama di Malaysia bangunnya dak jadi2 sampe bayar denda ke Singapore kwkwkw
@@danialmuqsith2433 Lol, Malaysia dah punya train elektrik modern, railway panjang lebih 1000 km sejak berdekad. Indonesia masih lagi pakai train bekas Belanda duduk atas bumbung train. 🤣