Bei diesem Olympiafinale 1980 war für Marlies Göhr einiges komisch: Bahn 8 trotz zweitbester Halbfinal-Zeit, ein von den Kampfrichtern ignoriertes Problem mit ihrem Startblock und ein verschwundenes Zielfoto von einer Seite. Jahre später sagte Marlies, dass sie einfach einen Schritt schneller hätte sein müssen. Die wichtigen Hundertstel verlor sie schon beim Start. Ein Olympiasieg über 100m hat sie nicht - 1976 Achte, 1984 fiel durch Boykott das große Duell Ashford gegen Göhr aus, 1988 war im Halbfinale Endstation. Aber vor und nach Olympia 1980 lagen viele kleine und große Siege von Marlies Göhr...
Linda Haglund passed away ? No way ! Oh, golly Jeezers. Anyway, I'd have wanted her to win this. For an Olympic flag in the medal ceremony. The Soviet bourgeois Internationalists hated that.
Indeed, a sad news. I did not know this until today! Rest in Peace, Linda! The world and sprint lovers will never ever forget your contributions to the world athletics!
Göhr didnt run 200m in Helsinki but 100m and 4x100 m. relay winning 2 gold medals. Marita Koch was the winner in 200m and silver in 100m behind Görh. She also was first in 4x100m and 4x400m relay.
I met someone recently that had met Gohr at the Berlin world championships. They discussed this race. Gohr said her blocks were faulty, hence the poor start.She had complained to the judges without any luck. When you consider the Russian cheating at the games- the triple jump fiasco, opening the stadium doors to give the Russian throwers favourable winds it's wholly believable.
Allan Wells reckoned they were loading his 100m heats to and giving the Russian sprinters easier draws. Look at the lanes he and Leonard were given in the 100m final to. The triple jump was disgraceful but their have been similat tales of corruption in rome 87 in the mens long jump and Seville 1999 in the womens long jump.
The classic story: When you lose, always there is someone or something to blame - it is the blocks, it is the judges, it is the wind, and it is the stingy crowds... but not the athletes fault! You lost and live with it, and swallow bitterness.
@@bbatjargal1549 you are so welcome. Yes and I hate it so much, when you lose you should just accept it. Everybody talking about blocks faulty and all that crop, what about Lyudmila Kondratyeva who got injured from about half way the race and still managed to finish, and not just finish but win?? How come they not talking about that?? Or am I the only one who notice?
So who was the winner? It didn't seem clear cut on the final slo mo or from the commentator's comment near the end when he changed his mind and seemed to think it was actually Gohr who won.
M. Göhr only ran 200m in one official competition, the European Champs in Prague78, and was beaten by Kondratyeva for only 0.01 secs as in Moscow. Her personal best in 200m was 21.74 though.Anyway her short steps wanst ideal for the distance. 1981 wasnt a good year for her, she couldnt run 100m under 11 secs and was third in the world cup of Rome behind Asforhd and Smallwood. She won many gold medals in the indoor european champs as well. Until Nelly cooman emerged as an specialist in 60m.
at 90 meters gohr had caught kondratieva..but gohr seems abit out of balance the last few meters and she dips too early. if she had timed her final dip gorh would have won. even so it was very close.
So who actually won? It wasn't officially confirmed by the commentator. I so wish whoever posts these type of videos also show the full results when they come up or post them in the information.
People keep mentioning Evelyn Ashford. Even if she was fit to compete the U.S boycotted these games as a result of the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 so would not have attended.
Evelyn pulled up lame and torn her hamstring in the U.S. Olympic trials.. she was not perfectly heathly it ended her season !! What are you talking about RFSA88
Too bad that Evelyn Ashford was not in that race. I believe that she would have won. However, I can't take anything away from the Olympic champion. This was a great race.
@@adelef8280 she was not injured in 1980. She was very healthy. She even talked about how bad she felt because of the boycott and how she was well prepared.
even the photo finish is not very clear, will we ever know the truth about who won? The curiosity certainly remains for what it's worth since they were both doped, probably!
@RFSA88 Once again talking about something you know nothing about, do you research please ?? take your own advise, as was already stated she pulled up in the trails with a hamstring injury, which might explain why did didn't win the trails or why she wasn't US national champ in the 100 or 200 meters in 1980, or why she didn't compete in the post Olympic season in 1980.If you had done your research you would know that. Maybe the others commenting saw the race like I did, you weren't even born !
Good afternoon everybody. I notice some people keep saying that Marlies Gohr got faulty blocks and all a that, so what about Lyudmila Kondratyeva who got injured from about half way the race and still managed to finish ??? How come no one talking about that ??? Or am I the only one who notice🤔🤔🤔??? It's way much harder to continue running while injured than to recover from a from a simple poor start (caused by faulty blocks), most people who get injured during races don't even get to finish, so she definately did something special, Lyudmila Kondratyeva is the winner for me don't care what nobody wanna say, remember it's the torso (chest/stomach) that counts at the finish people, not head, neck, arms, legs, hands nor feet. Just imagine what that time would have been if she didn't got injured !! Don't get me wrong Marlies Gohr was unquestionably a force to reckon with, besides she was the world record holder, but on this occasion it's very clear to me that Lyudmila Kondratyeva was in the best form.
It was strange how fast Gohr increased her performance since 1976. In the Montreal Final she was last and one year later she ran a sensational WR (10.88). I beg your pardon. I don't believe in miracles. :)
I understand your concern, but remember, Gohr was only 18 in 1976. Athletes often make big improvements as they mature from their teenage years to their young and mid-20s. Meanwhile Florence Griffith Joyner made huge improvements at the age of 27 and 28, which is much more suspect in my mind.
@@simonhindley65 At about 2:03 you can see the point where Gohr's upper torso first reaches the near side of the finish line (this is where the race actually finishes) at that time the front of Kondratyeva's torso is already halfway across the finish line. NB - I have worked on photo-finish up to international level.
Well, it sure looks like Ludmilla won this, she must have injured herself here, because she didn't seem to run in the post season. Angella Taylor dominated the post Olympic competition winning almost all the meets that summer, execpt for the final meeting in Zurich where she was second to Ghor in the 100 meters, and 3rd in the 200 meters behind Wockel and Ottey. She racked up 13 first place finishes.
Lyudmila Kondratyeva is the winner for me as well, but you watch the torso (chest/stomach) though, it's what counts. They don't care whose head, neck, arms, leg, hands or feet cross the line first. The torso is what they use to determine the winner.
I heard it said by someone, coming off talk back radio debate to do with the Moscow Olympics boycott, that the Soviets and East Germans [ he referred to those two specifically ], were going to win an absolute swag of medals, given the way things were going, and so they thoroughly did. This here is such an example. The East Germans dropped the baton in a men's track and field relay and got edged for bronze by Poland in team fencing, but it was otherwise those two squads and the rest.
Марлис Гёр (ГДР) была сильнее, просто засиделась на старте, а набежать на финиш буквально метра не хватило. Гёр - это имя в спринтерских дистанциях, наряду с Эвелин Эшфорд. А Кондратьева, несмотря на то, что в то время была мировой рекордсменкой, выглядела послабее. Повезло ей ...
@@user-yf5kk9zo4q Повезло выиграть и участвовать только на одной дистанции. Никаких шансов на 200 м у нее не было хоть с травмой, хоть без нее. Вряд ли она вошла бы в тройку. И поэтому, да ей повезло даже с травмой
Людмила в середине забега получила травму- "конец карьеры". А на 200метров она к тому моменту- действующая чемпионка Европы. Да и в самом деле, разве ослабило нашу эстафету отсутствие олимпийской чемпионки?))
Every time I watch this race I ask myself ''was the photographer a Russian?''. Goehr clearly wins the dip and should have the gold medal she deserves for being an amazing sprinter. In slow motion she has the leg speed the others back then had at normal pace. Drugs can't teach that - that's natural talent. But no matter - she was cleared of drug misuse anyway.
Not natural talent at all, manufactured talent and very much part of the GDR state sponsored drugs programme as was Marita Koch, and all of the others.
@@kurtfrancis4621 Just stating what I believe to be a fact and a completely justifiable point. We Brits had much to complain about in this era along with others. May I ask where you are from my friend?
Well, what to say to these 1980 Olympics? It is pretty clear that Göhr was faster than the russian, who was even worse as Göhr at leaning forward when passing the finish line. Actually it doesn´t matter, because all those GDR / CCCP athletes had taken steroids. However this result underlines, what a bad host the USSR were. They cheated in many events. Talking about triple jump, jarvelin throw or even better and easier, gymnastics. Hope Russia will never get any Games again, unless they are reliable.
Looks like you're the great expert on watching tv shows or reading ads in Sports Illustrated. Just replace GDR/CCCP(USSR to be correct) to USA, Moscow to LA or Lake Placid etc in your own text and you will get an equal amount of opposite opinions. Cheating occured at many Olympics and other events and soviets were cheated far from less than others. Steroids in gymnastics? You deserve Nobel prize, dude! As for this particular video - everyone who has eyes can see who was first on the finish line.
@@худой_Бердыев 1.) great expert on watching tv shows or reading ads in Sports Illustrated Where did you get your expert infos about LA or Lake Placid? Ah...you have been there, right? Btw: I made a comment about these games and others about other games. 2.) "Steroids in gymnastics? You deserve Nobel prize, dude!" I guess you are talking about rhtyhm gymnastic. In that case it is true. In GDR everything had been documented, as everbody knows. Even there they said, there are only two kind of sport, where doping doesn´t make sense. Rhythm gymnastic and sailing. About the other gymnastic with apparatus: I did it myself for many years, and dude, you need some muscles to e.g. hold a cross on the rings. Ever tried? 3.) Watch 2:03. Göhr´s chest in front of Mrs. K´s. Btw: how comes, that Göhr had to run on lane 8, when she was second best in the semi finals? That at least is a fact, that every one who has eyes can see.
@@mrtorstai53361)even being there(Olympics) doesnt make you an expert on implementing steroids automatically, so you have no rights to state that. Most other athletes did that as well but GDR and USSR were the leading countries because there were a scientific providing on state level. And they became leaders before doping era begun. 2) natural abilities are way enough for any gymnastic element to perform, everyone can gain enough muscles for that by regular exercizes. The point is training a vestibular system. Detecting steroids in gymnastic is quite a few and using it is crazy and ill-advised. 3) even on this poor video you can not define germans chest ahead of russian one. But placing german on 8 line was one of the numerous violations on those games.
@@худой_Бердыев 😂🤣😂...yes but no, no but yes, nice arguments.From hero to zero, that is, how it went. Both countries, USSR and GDR, do not exist anymore. Many athletes were abused by their systems and paid for their glorious medals they won with physical and mental diseases. After the re-unification of Germany, ex GDR athletes had the chance to have a look at their Stasi-files to find out, what happened to them. It was a crime, that is why a lot of them went to court. The german state was forced to pay them a compensation. Still some former GDR citizens are dreaming of those good old times, when their country won hundreds of medals. They don't care about the victims and how they suffered and/or still suffer. What ignorance! I know one of those victims personally. She almost commited suicide because of what happened to her beginning from her childhood. She asked her parents, if they didnt notice, what happened to her and her body and why they didnt protect her? And what did they answer: they thought, when the system tells, what is good for her, it must be okay. Still her parents are proud of her medal and can't understand, that she threw it away.
@@mrtorstai5336 since you have no more arguments but poetry, there is nothing to talk about. Oh, thanks for witty hint about GDR and USSR, I thought they still exist.
There was a boycott lead by the U.S. of the Moscow, but even if there wasn't Evelyn tore her hamstring in the U.S. Trials - so she would have been in Moscow regardless.
Looked to me like Gohr won. But the Russians have a history of tipping the balance in favor of their athletes during the Olympics. No way were they going to allow their runner to lose that close of a race on Russian soil.
I really do not think so. In 1980, the Soviets and Legendary East Germans (German Democratic Republic) were in their primes. Ashford had no chance against them.
Kathy Smallwood (now Cook) - the most talented clean athlete of her time.
Sorry no, that was Evelyn Ashford.
I don’t believe the USA participated in the 1980 Olympics!
The only clean athlete you mean.
Amend no,
Ash Ford was a big dopper my friend.
Это было 40 лет назад, но до сих пор 11,00 - это круто.
И, конечно же, помню великолепных спортсменок - Людмила Кондратьева, Марлиз Гёр, Ингрид Ауэрсвальд. И других тоже помню и очень уважаю.
Looked to me like Gohr won.
That was ridiculously close but to me, looks like Gohr won.
The TV camera wasn't exactly on the finish line.
Тебе только так кажется
Gohr looks like she took this to my eyes.
To me it looked like Göhr was first...
Bei diesem Olympiafinale 1980 war für Marlies Göhr einiges komisch: Bahn 8 trotz zweitbester Halbfinal-Zeit, ein von den Kampfrichtern ignoriertes Problem mit ihrem Startblock und ein verschwundenes Zielfoto von einer Seite. Jahre später sagte Marlies, dass sie einfach einen Schritt schneller hätte sein müssen. Die wichtigen Hundertstel verlor sie schon beim Start.
Ein Olympiasieg über 100m hat sie nicht - 1976 Achte, 1984 fiel durch Boykott das große Duell Ashford gegen Göhr aus, 1988 war im Halbfinale Endstation. Aber vor und nach Olympia 1980 lagen viele kleine und große Siege von Marlies Göhr...
Marlies Göhr : Meine Göttin!!!!!!!
Nennen wir es doch einfach eine Art von Gerechtigkeit, daß Marlies Göhr ein Olympiasieg im Einzel verwehrt blieb ♎
@@joshlevicq6823 wo liegt da die Gerechtigkeit?
Sad that Linda Haglund passed away in Nov '15. She was a consistent athlete but always came up a little short.
Linda Haglund passed away ? No way ! Oh, golly Jeezers. Anyway, I'd have wanted her to win this. For an Olympic flag in the medal ceremony. The Soviet bourgeois Internationalists hated that.
Indeed, a sad news. I did not know this until today! Rest in Peace, Linda! The world and sprint lovers will never ever forget your contributions to the world athletics!
Her husband Houston McTear (qualifyed for 1976 olympics) passed only 3 weeks prior to her...
Göhr didnt run 200m in Helsinki but 100m and 4x100 m. relay winning 2 gold medals. Marita Koch was the winner in 200m and silver in 100m behind Görh. She also was first in 4x100m and 4x400m relay.
I met someone recently that had met Gohr at the Berlin world championships. They discussed this race. Gohr said her blocks were faulty, hence the poor start.She had complained to the judges without any luck. When you consider the Russian cheating at the games- the triple jump fiasco, opening the stadium doors to give the Russian throwers favourable winds it's wholly believable.
Allan Wells reckoned they were loading his 100m heats to and giving the Russian sprinters easier draws. Look at the lanes he and Leonard were given in the 100m final to. The triple jump was disgraceful but their have been similat tales of corruption in rome 87 in the mens long jump and Seville 1999 in the womens long jump.
The classic story: When you lose, always there is someone or something to blame - it is the blocks, it is the judges, it is the wind, and it is the stingy crowds... but not the athletes fault! You lost and live with it, and swallow bitterness.
@@bbatjargal1549 exactly I agree, I love how you talk
@@nigelforrester8071 Thanks. There seem to be always "objective" reasons for losers...
@@bbatjargal1549 you are so welcome. Yes and I hate it so much, when you lose you should just accept it. Everybody talking about blocks faulty and all that crop, what about Lyudmila Kondratyeva who got injured from about half way the race and still managed to finish, and not just finish but win?? How come they not talking about that?? Or am I the only one who notice?
Almost a dead heat like Wells and Leonard in the mens...
Люда Кондратьева! И травма после финиша....
Marlies Górh as also the world record holder in 100 yards with a time of 10.29 seconds.
She was a state sponsored cheat.
I am with you there ! But the exact same thing could be said for Griffith-Joyner 87 to 88.
les années 80 les années des conflits en tout
Ludmila Kondrateva!
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What have I just seen? Gohr clearly looks to have gone past Kondratieva before the line.
So who was the winner? It didn't seem clear cut on the final slo mo or from the commentator's comment near the end when he changed his mind and seemed to think it was actually Gohr who won.
Ludmila Kondratyeva ( Soviet Union) - 1 Place ( and Gold Olympic Medal) !!!!!!
Kondratyeva was awarded the gold, but Gohr won the race.
@@simonhindley65 As you can see on the replay, Kondratyevа won.
Kondrateva had a lovely running style, but Gohr's leg turnover was like a hamster
Yeah, amazingly effective those performance enhancing drugs, eh !
@@keithf_ yawn
soviet runner has same leg drive as borzov
If only we could run it again without growth hormone where would Cathy come then!
Grow up
M. Göhr only ran 200m in one official competition, the European Champs in Prague78, and was beaten by Kondratyeva for only 0.01 secs as in Moscow. Her personal best in 200m was 21.74 though.Anyway her short steps wanst ideal for the distance. 1981 wasnt a good year for her, she couldnt run 100m under 11 secs and was third in the world cup of Rome behind Asforhd and Smallwood. She won many gold medals in the indoor european champs as well. Until Nelly cooman emerged as an specialist in 60m.
Jean Nate. It's Jean Nate for a beautiful day! What a splash!
Just wondering, why haven't they win any medal lately from these other Olympics.
at 90 meters gohr had caught kondratieva..but gohr seems abit out of balance the last few meters and she dips too early. if she had timed her final dip gorh would have won. even so it was very close.
So who actually won? It wasn't officially confirmed by the commentator. I so wish whoever posts these type of videos also show the full results when they come up or post them in the information.
Paul 645 A very close finish and the video cuts off! It looks like Gohr won by the smallest margin.😷
Kondratyeva won, Göhr Silver, Auerswald Bronze.
She didn't run the 100 metres in these days there were faster team mates at the time, and her focus was on the 200 metres, she was a 200 speciallist.
MARLIES GÖHR IS MY IDOL
Why ! She's a 24 carat cheat
Великая победа!!!!!!!!
The best olymbics
Shame Linda didn’t have her 81 form here, she would’ve taken the gold. Rest Easy, Swedish babe.
Yes, Gohr beaten here!
People keep mentioning Evelyn Ashford. Even if she was fit to compete the U.S boycotted these games as a result of the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 so would not have attended.
Evelyn pulled up lame and torn her hamstring in the U.S. Olympic trials.. she was not perfectly heathly it ended her season !! What are you talking about RFSA88
Too bad that Evelyn Ashford was not in that race. I believe that she would have won. However, I can't take anything away from the Olympic champion. This was a great race.
Ashford was injured in 80, she wouldn’t of been there even without the boycott.
@@adelef8280 she was not injured in 1980. She was very healthy. She even talked about how bad she felt because of the boycott and how she was well prepared.
@@hassanabdur-rahman1559 Tore a quad muscle in may 80, she wouldn’t of made it.
@@adelef8280 dude, you must be living in an alternate universe or something. That was in 1983.
@@hassanabdur-rahman1559 your wrong, it was 80
even the photo finish is not very clear, will we ever know the truth about who won? The curiosity certainly remains for what it's worth since they were both doped, probably!
Did Gohr run many 200m? She was closing quickly but her start was terrible.
Long ago comments but I laughed when I read `...if you watch their feet closely....`. You need to look at the torso, you muppet!
Exactly so, most people don't understand that's why they talk the way they do.. let us forgive them please.
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@RFSA88 Once again talking about something you know nothing about, do you research please ?? take your own advise, as was already stated she pulled up in the trails with a hamstring injury, which might explain why did didn't win the trails or why she wasn't US national champ in the 100 or 200 meters in 1980, or why she didn't compete in the post Olympic season in 1980.If you had done your research you would know that. Maybe the others commenting saw the race like I did, you weren't even born !
thanks jimmy carter. that really made a difference not going.
What do you mean?
The British girls stood no chance against the drug cheats
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My favourite Kathy Smallwood got a terrible start.
The Brits shouldn't have been there in the first place if they had any self respect.
@@couch.patati-patata Why!?!
@@converse91970 the Western boycott.
Не совсем честно Кондратьевой дали золото. Да полно чего подобного было на той. олимпиаде.
Обоснуй!
Good afternoon everybody. I notice some people keep saying that Marlies Gohr got faulty blocks and all a that, so what about Lyudmila Kondratyeva who got injured from about half way the race and still managed to finish ??? How come no one talking about that ??? Or am I the only one who notice🤔🤔🤔??? It's way much harder to continue running while injured than to recover from a from a simple poor start (caused by faulty blocks), most people who get injured during races don't even get to finish, so she definately did something special, Lyudmila Kondratyeva is the winner for me don't care what nobody wanna say, remember it's the torso (chest/stomach) that counts at the finish people, not head, neck, arms, legs, hands nor feet. Just imagine what that time would have been if she didn't got injured !! Don't get me wrong Marlies Gohr was unquestionably a force to reckon with, besides she was the world record holder, but on this occasion it's very clear to me that Lyudmila Kondratyeva was in the best form.
It was strange how fast Gohr increased her performance since 1976. In the Montreal Final she was last and one year later she ran a sensational WR (10.88). I beg your pardon. I don't believe in miracles. :)
but its be final my dear
I understand your concern, but remember, Gohr was only 18 in 1976. Athletes often make big improvements as they mature from their teenage years to their young and mid-20s. Meanwhile Florence Griffith Joyner made huge improvements at the age of 27 and 28, which is much more suspect in my mind.
Marlies Gohr won that race ! No question about it 😡
Gohr really badly loses her form in the last 10m which is probably why she lost the race.
The evidence of my eyes tells me she didn't lose the race.
@@simonhindley65 At about 2:03 you can see the point where Gohr's upper torso first reaches the near side of the finish line (this is where the race actually finishes) at that time the front of Kondratyeva's torso is already halfway across the finish line. NB - I have worked on photo-finish up to international level.
DOnt forget that Gohr became the first world champion in Helsinki in 83 with 2 golden medals in 100 and 200
Koch won the 200. Gohr didn't run it!!!!
Mayby. like all the other US and UK - Athlets too.
Well, it sure looks like Ludmilla won this, she must have injured herself here, because she didn't seem to run in the post season. Angella Taylor dominated the post Olympic competition winning almost all the meets that summer, execpt for the final meeting in Zurich where she was second to Ghor in the 100 meters, and 3rd in the 200 meters behind Wockel and Ottey. She racked up 13 first place finishes.
it looked to me that she got tight at about 70m and wouldve been going away..she was nursing an injury over the last 30m..
Gohr won
Look closely at the replay. Kondratyev won.
I did. Gohr won.
Where’s Ashford?
She stayed at home.
It looks that way only because she is closer to our angle... if you watch their feet closley you can see she was behind ... she lost the race !
Lyudmila Kondratyeva is the winner for me as well, but you watch the torso (chest/stomach) though, it's what counts. They don't care whose head, neck, arms, leg, hands or feet cross the line first. The torso is what they use to determine the winner.
I heard it said by someone, coming off talk back radio debate to do with the Moscow Olympics boycott, that the Soviets and East Germans [ he referred to those two specifically ], were going to win an absolute swag of medals, given the way things were going, and so they thoroughly did. This here is such an example. The East Germans dropped the baton in a men's track and field relay and got edged for bronze by Poland in team fencing, but it was otherwise those two squads and the rest.
Marlies is the real winner!!
Yes indeed. That was a "miracle" too. :)
Hey Athelete5399 you must be soooo happy watching Marlies Gohr in second place...hehe!
There were "miracles" of the kind in those Olympics.
The East German girl had a surer style than the others, a deadheat at least I’d say.
Slight build so not too sure any muscle building drugs used. V fast though. East Germans on the other hand...
実況の声が
ルパン三世の声の
山田康雄氏に似てる
Марлис Гёр (ГДР) была сильнее, просто засиделась на старте, а набежать на финиш буквально метра не хватило. Гёр - это имя в спринтерских дистанциях, наряду с Эвелин Эшфорд. А Кондратьева, несмотря на то, что в то время была мировой рекордсменкой, выглядела послабее. Повезло ей ...
Так" повезло" что на середине дистанции получила травму и пропустила 200 метров и эстафету
@@user-yf5kk9zo4q Повезло выиграть и участвовать только на одной дистанции. Никаких шансов на 200 м у нее не было хоть с травмой, хоть без нее. Вряд ли она вошла бы в тройку. И поэтому, да ей повезло даже с травмой
@@user-yf5kk9zo4q А если брать эстафету так там вообще кисло. У спортсменок из ГДР не было достойного соперника.
Людмила в середине забега получила травму- "конец карьеры". А на 200метров она к тому моменту- действующая чемпионка Европы. Да и в самом деле, разве ослабило нашу эстафету отсутствие олимпийской чемпионки?))
They should chuck all the medals in the bin ......disgrace .
Pre-steroids - the athetes look completely different.Like natural women
Evelyn ashford would won
Women?
Women!
Every time I watch this race I ask myself ''was the photographer a Russian?''. Goehr clearly wins the dip and should have the gold medal she deserves for being an amazing sprinter. In slow motion she has the leg speed the others back then had at normal pace. Drugs can't teach that - that's natural talent. But no matter - she was cleared of drug misuse anyway.
Not natural talent at all, manufactured talent and very much part of the GDR state sponsored drugs programme as was Marita Koch, and all of the others.
+Hoagey yes like marion jones and flo-jo
Gosh they looked drugged kind of terrible what we would eventually discover. And they would do it again in 2014. It’s unfortunate
Кондратьева победила. На стопкадре рассмотрел. Выиграла сантиметров 5.
Linda Haglund from Sweden was on steroids, just FYI.
(Swede here, she was banned and it was a huge scandal...)
+Reeka Lilja If so then Kathy Smallwood was the rightful Olympic champion for GB... how many times has this been the case or similar?!
SIMON WOODS
I don't know, but I bet you a diamond ring that FloJo was running like she did because of her, let's say "special breakfast"...
@@simonwoods8809 Oh, please, another Brit who feels wronged by the world...always complaining.
@@kurtfrancis4621 Just stating what I believe to be a fact and a completely justifiable point. We Brits had much to complain about in this era along with others. May I ask where you are from my friend?
@@simonwoods8809
Since when do Brits need a specific era to complain about everything? 💂💂
Yes, I must admit, I liked seeing Gohr beaten here!
Since this was in Russia, they gave it to the Russian!
sorry, I meant to say wouldn't have been in Moscow....
Marlies should have got the gold
She should have got the gold...in cheating...
Not very happy at the end.
Dopping
Da haben sie Marlies beschummelt, da bleibe ich bei.
Well, what to say to these 1980 Olympics? It is pretty clear that Göhr was faster than the russian, who was even worse as Göhr at leaning forward when passing the finish line. Actually it doesn´t matter, because all those GDR / CCCP athletes had taken steroids.
However this result underlines, what a bad host the USSR were. They cheated in many events. Talking about triple jump, jarvelin throw or even better and easier, gymnastics. Hope Russia will never get any Games again, unless they are reliable.
Looks like you're the great expert on watching tv shows or reading ads in Sports Illustrated. Just replace GDR/CCCP(USSR to be correct) to USA, Moscow to LA or Lake Placid etc in your own text and you will get an equal amount of opposite opinions. Cheating occured at many Olympics and other events and soviets were cheated far from less than others.
Steroids in gymnastics? You deserve Nobel prize, dude!
As for this particular video - everyone who has eyes can see who was first on the finish line.
@@худой_Бердыев 1.) great expert on watching tv shows or reading ads in Sports Illustrated
Where did you get your expert infos about LA or Lake Placid? Ah...you have been there, right?
Btw: I made a comment about these games and others about other games.
2.) "Steroids in gymnastics? You deserve Nobel prize, dude!"
I guess you are talking about rhtyhm gymnastic. In that case it is true. In GDR everything had been documented, as everbody knows. Even there they said, there are only two kind of sport, where doping doesn´t make sense. Rhythm gymnastic and sailing. About the other gymnastic with apparatus: I did it myself for many years, and dude, you need some muscles to e.g. hold a cross on the rings. Ever tried?
3.) Watch 2:03. Göhr´s chest in front of Mrs. K´s. Btw: how comes, that Göhr had to run on lane 8, when she was second best in the semi finals? That at least is a fact, that every one who has eyes can see.
@@mrtorstai53361)even being there(Olympics) doesnt make you an expert on implementing steroids automatically, so you have no rights to state that. Most other athletes did that as well but
GDR and USSR were the leading countries because there were a scientific providing on state level. And they became leaders before doping era begun.
2) natural abilities are way enough for any gymnastic element to perform, everyone can gain enough muscles for that by regular exercizes. The point is training a vestibular system. Detecting steroids in gymnastic is quite a few and using it is crazy and ill-advised.
3) even on this poor video you can not define germans chest ahead of russian one. But placing german on 8 line was one of the numerous violations on those games.
@@худой_Бердыев 😂🤣😂...yes but no, no but yes, nice arguments.From hero to zero, that is, how it went. Both countries, USSR and GDR, do not exist anymore.
Many athletes were abused by their systems and paid for their glorious medals they won with physical and mental diseases. After the re-unification of Germany, ex GDR athletes had the chance to have a look at their Stasi-files to find out, what happened to them. It was a crime, that is why a lot of them went to court. The german state was forced to pay them a compensation.
Still some former GDR citizens are dreaming of those good old times, when their country won hundreds of medals. They don't care about the victims and how they suffered and/or still suffer. What ignorance!
I know one of those victims personally. She almost commited suicide because of what happened to her beginning from her childhood. She asked her parents, if they didnt notice, what happened to her and her body and why they didnt protect her? And what did they answer: they thought, when the system tells, what is good for her, it must be okay.
Still her parents are proud of her medal and can't understand, that she threw it away.
@@mrtorstai5336 since you have no more arguments but poetry, there is nothing to talk about. Oh, thanks for witty hint about GDR and USSR, I thought they still exist.
Marlies Gohr was always terrible at leaning at the finish.
Russian won it. But the other chick was close.
There was a boycott lead by the U.S. of the Moscow, but even if there wasn't Evelyn tore her hamstring in the U.S. Trials - so she would have been in Moscow regardless.
Looked to me like Gohr won. But the Russians have a history of tipping the balance in favor of their athletes during the Olympics. No way were they going to allow their runner to lose that close of a race on Russian soil.
The winner was the one with the first breast on the ribbon.
They should test all the frozen samples from the past! Testing is now way more advanced! Be a hell of a lot of gold medals handed back! Lol
Does that go for the Americans too? Lol
Кондратьева - вторая.
Evelyn ashford
Would have won this race
Easily
Probably not easily but I think she would have won too
I really do not think so. In 1980, the Soviets and Legendary East Germans (German Democratic Republic) were in their primes. Ashford had no chance against them.
Ok
Great job...
Miss Evelyn Ashford
Like I said would have
Told those girls to take a
Seat 💺
@@bernardallen6775
Not really
@@bbatjargal1549 A healthy Ashford would have won this. Hands down. Faulty blocks and loaded heats included.
Κοντράτιεβα!
State funded drugs all round
Gohr won.
Not this time.
Moscow 100m final....for men!
💉💉💉
Gohr 1st.
No sir remember it's the torso (chest/stomach) that counts, not head, neck, arms, legs, hands, nor feet.
DDR's "drug free athletes". Who believes?
The two est German girls look like .... men.
Does anyone see these males racing against women? I mean was it east Germany? They were clearly juiced up, and Russia
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