Bad Ass! What an awesome helicopter! I have the 500 Align version of the G-Jive red and white 4 blade rotor head I'm building now! Watching your video has got my blood flowing again! Got to get back out there and finish her up! Thanks for the awesome video! Beautiful Bird!!!
I know how to balance the blades and get the tracking good but have no idea how to balance the rotor head that seems hard . Great idea to change out the ball links to a high quality type .
Hi adam your helicopter looked awseome the photo your wife took were very good she signs them Mama bear photography i love it . Hay thats a nice picture of you right next to your chopper nice photo show the real size how big it is . Im getting excited in buying mine i do like the blue yellow and red 500 they sell but the skids are yellow . I like the blue skids . So its the yellow and blue. Jim
Thank you. She really enjoys taking pictures of RC. Yes it's a very large model. I have a picture somewhere of my 800 Airwolf and the 800 MD-500E. The MD-500E makes the Airwolf look absolutely tiny. I found that most Roban Helicopters use 10in pilots but the MD-500E is better with a 12in.
Question are those the blades the helicopter came with from motion RC . They track nicley and you have the chopper running smooth no vibrations at all . I like the way you fly you go straight up then swing the tail around quiclky and let gravity swing the chopper down i like that style i will try that looks cool. Jim
ok looks like i may need to re balance the blades check the tracking and maybe make sure the swash plate does not have any looseness. Do you recommend changing out the swash plate with a different brand or will the one it comes with going to do the job. thanks you, for this help. Now i know what i must do when i get my helicopter from motion RC . look forward in seeing another flight video its one Beautiful helicopter. Jim
I used the stock swash as well. Balancing the 5 blade head was definitely a pain. I found vibration for a while. Balancing and tracking were key. Also checking all parts in the head for proper assembly. I do change out the ball links to SAB ball links because that are tighter and just better.
i appreciated your advice the Egodrift motor is it better for the 800-size helicopter. Did you use the Castle creations Phoenix edge 160A esc with cooling fan to go with your motor that's from motion RC. Question do different motor have different spooling up sound. This will be my first electric helicopter all my others have been gas motors or nitro. I'm trying to figure out if i should go with the bundle they offer did you use there bundle package or got different servos, motor, ESC , ect . Any help would be great. thanks Jim
The 160A ESC is over kill. I used a Castle 120A HV ESC. Both my MD-500E and Airwolf only pull 47amps max. I changed the settings in the ESC to have a long spool time since its a lot of rotor to get moving. I only bought the helicopter from MotionRC. I bought the components that I prefer from other sites. The bundled servos are good but I used Torq servos from Helidirect. I am a Futaba guy so I am using the CGY755 gyro because i prefer the way it flies.
I was thinking of getting the Spectrum NX 8 radio or the NX 10 ,i don't want to use my old futaba, for a new helicopter. How long is your flight do you use a timer in your radio, or is there a way to see how much power is in the lipo batteries in your helicopter, so i know how much longer i can fly with out damaging the lipo batteries. Monday im buying my helicopter from emotion RC same as yours its a real head turner the color arrangement really stands out in the sky thanks for your help! Jim .
I personally use a Futaba 16IZ on this helicopter. I have a Spektrum NX10 but I am not a big Spektrum fan and it's not compatible with the gyro I picked. I have my timer set to between 5:30 - 6 min. Depending on what ESC you use, you can get a telemetry module for it. I am using a Castle 120HV with a telemetry unit to warn me if the batteries get to low. You will love the colors. My wife took some amazing pictures. They are on the MotionRC Community Facebook page if your interested (search for Adam Hill)
@@pilot482 yes i will check out the photos , I was going to use a barvarian demonX3 flybarless gyro system is that a good one from Rc Emotion should work with my NX8 . What gyro do you use for your futaba radio
Hi Adam , need some help what is the best pitch gauge that you would use on these Roban blades since they are flat blades. I do know you used the Miniature Aircraft Koll Pro blade balancer which im going to buy. Jim Reply
I am not sure if it was the right thing to do but I used a magnetic digital angle gauge. I actually measured the angle of the blade grips. I placed the gauge on a grip to check the angle. I made sure to check the angle of each grip in the same location on the rotor head. It seemed to work well for me.
this is beautiful has a similar paint job like the G Jive but i like this paint job even more. Is this the ARF helicopter from Rodan sold at motion RC i saw one like this but it has red on its tail do they still sale this paint job design blue and yellow still or did you buy this from a different company. I really like this paint job more but i can't find it on the web can you help. you are a great pilot indeed.
I use 2 Genace 6s 5500mah for the 12s flight pack. I got them from Tower Hobbies. They are a little thick and 5000mah would be better but that's what i have for all my 6s and 12s aircraft. I use a 3s 2200mah battery (genace, pulse or glacier) for the radio with a Castle BEC Pro regulator set around 7.6-8.4 volts.
question about servos, should i get analog, or digital, the analog if I'm correct have more torque if I'm correct. what do you use for your swash plate control and what type for your tail. There so many servos out there for sale? I want the best for a scale.
That is not correct. Do not use analog servos on this helicopter. They lack the torque and precision of digital servos. I can't really think of any reason nowadays to use analog servos. Digital work better and work better with gyros. I use Torq BLS2208 servos on the Cyclic and Torq BLS0704T servo on the tail. The tail is a 760us pulse servo so your gyro has to be capable of using those. The MKS servos on MotionRC that are recommended for all 800 size roban helicopter are also a good choice.
hi i was getting all the individual electronic parts i will need . Now i wonder if i should change out the tail rotor from a 2 blade two a 4 blade what are your thoughts on this like your opinion thanks Jim
The 2 blade is more than enough. I tested the tail authority without main blades. I tried to yaw the helicopter by hand at flight RPM and I couldn't even move it an inch. The tail authority is super strong.
Hello - I have the same Heli except it's the sheriff paint job.. On my first lift off the swash was super sensitive and I was wondering if you could share some of your settings. I have the Bavarian Demon FC. Not sure if we dialed down gains in the FC or use expo?? Any advice will be appreciated for the second lift off.. Al in Las Vegas
@desertal102 hopefully I can help. I have not used thr Demon for Helicopters. Only the one for airplanes. I use a Futaba CGY755. It can be a very sensitive helicopter. The swash plate Cyclic does not need to move as far as 3D type helis. I use a collective pitch range of -2 to +9 degrees. My Cyclic would probably equal about 50-60% of normal travel. I also use about 20-25% expo on my Cyclic. Another thing I found was making sure everything is mechanically good. I am able to turn off the FBL on the Cyclic to see if the controls are not off centered. I adjust them as best I can mechanically and then turn the gyro back on.
Thank you for the reply - I will go back into the Demon programming and set the Aeil & Elev gains to 50% and test. If still sensitive, I'll try the expo route. I appreciate your advise. @@pilot482
Hi I'm wondering for your motor did you get the scorpion HKIV 4035-450Kv motor for your helicopter that's from motion rc which is part of the bundle they offer . I was curious I can't find any up close vidoes of the body does your body come with rivet detail on it . I saw a red dot circle that's on one of the side of helicopter was that part of the paint job . I really like this helicopter. Thanks Jim
I got the Egodrift 460kv Scale Collection motor. Got it from Heli Direct. Yes the helicopter comes with rivets, full cockpit/ cabin, lights and other details. The red dot is a decal for the fuel filler.
Hello do you know what rpm and amps your running? Do you only have one head speed? I just bought one of these. May i ask which motor esc and servos you chose
I can't remember the headspeed off hand. It's in the range of 1250-1400. I have a Egodrift Scale 4035HS 460kv motor. Using a Castle 120HV ESC and it pulls around 47 amps max. I use Torq servo, BLS2208 on the Cyclic and BLS0704T on the tail. Flybarless unit is a Futaba CGY755.
Question im building one of these. I see you have the main blades spin counter clockwise and tail spins in-ward toward the fuselage. When you give positive pitch I assume your swash plate moves upward? I believe I need to need to flip my L linkages around that come off the rotor head otherwise swash plate up would give negative pitch.
Yes. The manual showed trailing edge control of the main rotor blades. I flipped mine as well to make it so they are leading edge controlled. From what I have read it doesn't really make a difference with LE vs TE control except making it easier/logical to setup.
@@pilot482 Thanks for reply ive only built one heli prior to this so much of this is fairly new but I was comparing to my kraken 700 and its on the leading edge as well. I ordered same motor you have. Thank you 👍🏼
@@pilot482 much appreciated. Wow these instructions it came with are horrible lol 😂 anyway you could take some pictures of the mechanics around the rotor? Where did u mount your esc? Did you orientate your motor so the leads are facing back towards the tail? It seems it has to be that way but then the motor leads hit the carbon next to the rotor gear ⚙️ did u notch the carbon out?
It would be easier to send pictures if I had your email. I might do a video soon about the helicopter since I have to open it up to look at something. My motor wires face forward and wrap around the front under the mechanics into the channel in the headliner. My ESC, Rx, BEC and light controller is mounted to the back wall of the cabin and it covered by the cabin wall peice.
Hi adam I am still placing togther my helicopter I noticed my seats are black so I want to paint them like your seats which are tan just like the full size helicopter, but I did not get any seats belts in my kit were did you get yours from I like them very much. . I will show picture on a you tube video of my self putting together some custom add on for everyone to see . Before the flight videos. Take care. Jim
Mine came with back seats. Sounds like you are missing them. You might be able to find them in the replacement parts section of any one of the MD-500E. They are the same part on all color schemes.
Sorry but I am not familiar with any self leveling on any gyro. I don't use that type of stuff. I would say most new gyros out there would be able to handle 760up servos. Even an older Beastx (which I don't like) has that capability. I use Futaba gyros on all my Helicopters expect 1 which has the Beastx. I prefer the way Futaba helicopter gyro setup and fly. But that is my personal preference. The other gyro that I would be willing to try is the Demon gyro for helicopters.....I believe it's called the Axon.
Right on. Based on the video, that’s a rock solid setup - don’t change. I have the Magnum PI, the Blue Jive and MH-6 all in 800 size. I’m running Ikon’s and Spektrum external receivers in mine. I transformed my tails to 4 blade instead of the two blade due to the TR length. You couldn’t land anywhere off hardstand without tearing up blades. I need to do more scale mods and pilots have to be 15” instead of the 12” in the 700 size. Nice flying. Very scale maneuvering and I like the added detail of the engine compartment scoop that you added.
Alot of electric motors of that style have the same sound. I don't think it's rubbing because others that I know that have that same scale helicopter sound the same. But I think its a good thing to point out just in case but I think its ok.
Bad Ass! What an awesome helicopter! I have the 500 Align version of the G-Jive red and white 4 blade rotor head I'm building now! Watching your video has got my blood flowing again! Got to get back out there and finish her up! Thanks for the awesome video! Beautiful Bird!!!
Beautiful chopper, beautiful flight.
Thank you for all your help ps your flying skills are great really enjoy your videos 😊 jim
Thank you. Glad I could help. That's why I do this.
Cool color scheme!
I had to say this is one of the best helicopter flights I've seen to date
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Nice camera work. Flying's good too😊
Thank you. My wife is my photographer. She prefers taking picture but I make her take videos of my aircraft every once in a while.
beauty!
Thank you
I know how to balance the blades and get the tracking good but have no idea how to balance the rotor head that seems hard . Great idea to change out the ball links to a high quality type .
Hi adam your helicopter looked awseome the photo your wife took were very good she signs them Mama bear photography i love it . Hay thats a nice picture of you right next to your chopper nice photo show the real size how big it is . Im getting excited in buying mine i do like the blue yellow and red 500 they sell but the skids are yellow . I like the blue skids . So its the yellow and blue. Jim
Thank you. She really enjoys taking pictures of RC. Yes it's a very large model. I have a picture somewhere of my 800 Airwolf and the 800 MD-500E. The MD-500E makes the Airwolf look absolutely tiny. I found that most Roban Helicopters use 10in pilots but the MD-500E is better with a 12in.
Yikes on the Price LOL! Full lit interior would be nice with a FPV module!
The blade track is not good yet. You can see it at 2:47 on the right. It will be even quieter when floating if you improve it. You can hear it too.
Question are those the blades the helicopter came with from motion RC . They track nicley and you have the chopper running smooth no vibrations at all . I like the way you fly you go straight up then swing the tail around quiclky and let gravity swing the chopper down i like that style i will try that looks cool. Jim
Yes they are the stock blades the kit came with. I used the Miniature Aircraft Koll Pro blade balancer to balance the main blades.
ok looks like i may need to re balance the blades check the tracking and maybe make sure the swash plate does not have any looseness. Do you recommend changing out the swash plate with a different brand or will the one it comes with going to do the job. thanks you, for this help. Now i know what i must do when i get my helicopter from motion RC . look forward in seeing another flight video its one Beautiful helicopter.
Jim
I used the stock swash as well. Balancing the 5 blade head was definitely a pain. I found vibration for a while. Balancing and tracking were key. Also checking all parts in the head for proper assembly. I do change out the ball links to SAB ball links because that are tighter and just better.
i appreciated your advice the Egodrift motor is it better for the 800-size helicopter. Did you use the Castle creations Phoenix edge 160A esc with cooling fan to go with your motor that's from motion RC. Question do different motor have different spooling up sound. This will be my first electric helicopter all my others have been gas motors or nitro. I'm trying to figure out if i should go with the bundle they offer did you use there bundle package or got different servos, motor, ESC , ect . Any help would be great. thanks Jim
The 160A ESC is over kill. I used a Castle 120A HV ESC. Both my MD-500E and Airwolf only pull 47amps max. I changed the settings in the ESC to have a long spool time since its a lot of rotor to get moving. I only bought the helicopter from MotionRC. I bought the components that I prefer from other sites. The bundled servos are good but I used Torq servos from Helidirect. I am a Futaba guy so I am using the CGY755 gyro because i prefer the way it flies.
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I was thinking of getting the Spectrum NX 8 radio or the NX 10 ,i don't want to use my old futaba, for a new helicopter. How long is your flight do you use a timer in your radio, or is there a way to see how much power is in the lipo batteries in your helicopter, so i know how much longer i can fly with out damaging the lipo batteries. Monday im buying my helicopter from emotion RC same as yours its a real head turner the color arrangement really stands out in the sky thanks for your help! Jim .
I personally use a Futaba 16IZ on this helicopter. I have a Spektrum NX10 but I am not a big Spektrum fan and it's not compatible with the gyro I picked. I have my timer set to between 5:30 - 6 min. Depending on what ESC you use, you can get a telemetry module for it. I am using a Castle 120HV with a telemetry unit to warn me if the batteries get to low. You will love the colors. My wife took some amazing pictures. They are on the MotionRC Community Facebook page if your interested (search for Adam Hill)
@@pilot482 yes i will check out the photos , I was going to use a barvarian demonX3 flybarless gyro system is that a good one from Rc Emotion should work with my NX8 . What gyro do you use for your futaba radio
Simply Amazing,can it carry Human passangers
No😅
Nice flying! I sold mine a few months ago and regret it.. What headspeed were you running?
About 1250. Definitely love this helicopter.
Hi Adam ,
need some help what is the best pitch gauge that you would use on these Roban blades since they are flat blades. I do know you used the Miniature Aircraft Koll Pro blade balancer which im going to buy. Jim
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I am not sure if it was the right thing to do but I used a magnetic digital angle gauge. I actually measured the angle of the blade grips. I placed the gauge on a grip to check the angle. I made sure to check the angle of each grip in the same location on the rotor head. It seemed to work well for me.
this is beautiful has a similar paint job like the G Jive but i like this paint job even more. Is this the ARF helicopter from Rodan sold at motion RC i saw one like this but it has red on its tail do they still sale this paint job design blue and yellow still or did you buy this from a different company. I really like this paint job more but i can't find it on the web can you help. you are a great pilot indeed.
Thank you. Yes. It's available on MotionRC. That is where I bought this one.
Was curoius what two batteries did you decide to get . Did you buy yours from heli direct
I use 2 Genace 6s 5500mah for the 12s flight pack. I got them from Tower Hobbies. They are a little thick and 5000mah would be better but that's what i have for all my 6s and 12s aircraft. I use a 3s 2200mah battery (genace, pulse or glacier) for the radio with a Castle BEC Pro regulator set around 7.6-8.4 volts.
question about servos, should i get analog, or digital, the analog if I'm correct have more torque if I'm correct. what do you use for your swash plate control and what type for your tail. There so many servos out there for sale? I want the best for a scale.
That is not correct. Do not use analog servos on this helicopter. They lack the torque and precision of digital servos. I can't really think of any reason nowadays to use analog servos. Digital work better and work better with gyros. I use Torq BLS2208 servos on the Cyclic and Torq BLS0704T servo on the tail. The tail is a 760us pulse servo so your gyro has to be capable of using those. The MKS servos on MotionRC that are recommended for all 800 size roban helicopter are also a good choice.
hi i was getting all the individual electronic parts i will need . Now i wonder if i should change out the tail rotor from a 2 blade two a 4 blade what are your thoughts on this like your opinion thanks Jim
The 2 blade is more than enough. I tested the tail authority without main blades. I tried to yaw the helicopter by hand at flight RPM and I couldn't even move it an inch. The tail authority is super strong.
Hello - I have the same Heli except it's the sheriff paint job.. On my first lift off the swash was super sensitive and I was wondering if you could share some of your settings. I have the Bavarian Demon FC. Not sure if we dialed down gains in the FC or use expo?? Any advice will be appreciated for the second lift off.. Al in Las Vegas
@desertal102 hopefully I can help. I have not used thr Demon for Helicopters. Only the one for airplanes. I use a Futaba CGY755. It can be a very sensitive helicopter. The swash plate Cyclic does not need to move as far as 3D type helis. I use a collective pitch range of -2 to +9 degrees. My Cyclic would probably equal about 50-60% of normal travel. I also use about 20-25% expo on my Cyclic. Another thing I found was making sure everything is mechanically good. I am able to turn off the FBL on the Cyclic to see if the controls are not off centered. I adjust them as best I can mechanically and then turn the gyro back on.
Thank you for the reply - I will go back into the Demon programming and set the Aeil & Elev gains to 50% and test. If still sensitive, I'll try the expo route. I appreciate your advise. @@pilot482
Hi I'm wondering for your motor did you get the scorpion HKIV 4035-450Kv motor for your helicopter that's from motion rc which is part of the bundle they offer . I was curious I can't find any up close vidoes of the body does your body come with rivet detail on it . I saw a red dot circle that's on one of the side of helicopter was that part of the paint job . I really like this helicopter. Thanks Jim
I got the Egodrift 460kv Scale Collection motor. Got it from Heli Direct. Yes the helicopter comes with rivets, full cockpit/ cabin, lights and other details. The red dot is a decal for the fuel filler.
@@pilot482 how do you bolt on the motor? the holes are 25mm x 30mm on motor and heli is 25mm or 30mm not both. thanks for any help
I like so much the MD500 or H500...D MODEL 5 BLADES... What is the manufacturer?... roban?
Yes. It is the Roban 800 size MD-500E
I think i will be ok with out that self level stuff was curoius about it. I do myself like futaba my radio is fataba.
Hello do you know what rpm and amps your running? Do you only have one head speed? I just bought one of these. May i ask which motor esc and servos you chose
I can't remember the headspeed off hand. It's in the range of 1250-1400. I have a Egodrift Scale 4035HS 460kv motor. Using a Castle 120HV ESC and it pulls around 47 amps max. I use Torq servo, BLS2208 on the Cyclic and BLS0704T on the tail. Flybarless unit is a Futaba CGY755.
@@pilot482 thanks for reply thats low amps i ordered torque servos as well and 120 hobbywing esc
I was definitely surprised by the low amps as well. But my 800 size Airwolf running a Scorpion 520kv motor pulls about the same.
@@pilot482 awesome thanks for the info 👍🏻
Question im building one of these.
I see you have the main blades spin counter clockwise and tail spins in-ward toward the fuselage. When you give positive pitch I assume your swash plate moves upward?
I believe I need to need to flip my L linkages around that come off the rotor head otherwise swash plate up would give negative pitch.
Yes. The manual showed trailing edge control of the main rotor blades. I flipped mine as well to make it so they are leading edge controlled. From what I have read it doesn't really make a difference with LE vs TE control except making it easier/logical to setup.
@@pilot482 Thanks for reply ive only built one heli prior to this so much of this is fairly new but I was comparing to my kraken 700 and its on the leading edge as well. I ordered same motor you have. Thank you 👍🏼
Happy to help. Let me know if you have more questions.
@@pilot482 much appreciated. Wow these instructions it came with are horrible lol 😂 anyway you could take some pictures of the mechanics around the rotor? Where did u mount your esc? Did you orientate your motor so the leads are facing back towards the tail? It seems it has to be that way but then the motor leads hit the carbon next to the rotor gear ⚙️ did u notch the carbon out?
It would be easier to send pictures if I had your email. I might do a video soon about the helicopter since I have to open it up to look at something. My motor wires face forward and wrap around the front under the mechanics into the channel in the headliner. My ESC, Rx, BEC and light controller is mounted to the back wall of the cabin and it covered by the cabin wall peice.
Thanks on those tips i was suspicious, on what i was told was wrong thank you . Anolog is out the door.
Hi adam I am still placing togther my helicopter I noticed my seats are black so I want to paint them like your seats which are tan just like the full size helicopter, but I did not get any seats belts in my kit were did you get yours from I like them very much. . I will show picture on a you tube video of my self putting together some custom add on for everyone to see . Before the flight videos. Take care. Jim
Mine came with back seats. Sounds like you are missing them. You might be able to find them in the replacement parts section of any one of the MD-500E. They are the same part on all color schemes.
I will look better in my kit I might have them . They maybe all folded up inside of a plastic bag that I have over looked .
I realized these self level do fly like a robotic apereance I'm staying away from that I will get the demon x3 like I had planed .
Sorry but I am not familiar with any self leveling on any gyro. I don't use that type of stuff. I would say most new gyros out there would be able to handle 760up servos. Even an older Beastx (which I don't like) has that capability. I use Futaba gyros on all my Helicopters expect 1 which has the Beastx. I prefer the way Futaba helicopter gyro setup and fly. But that is my personal preference. The other gyro that I would be willing to try is the Demon gyro for helicopters.....I believe it's called the Axon.
What flybarless controller is installed?
Both my MD-500E and my Airwolf use the Futaba CGY755 with a R7008SB rx. I am building a AH-1 Super Cobra that will use the same setup.
Right on. Based on the video, that’s a rock solid setup - don’t change. I have the Magnum PI, the Blue Jive and MH-6 all in 800 size. I’m running Ikon’s and Spektrum external receivers in mine. I transformed my tails to 4 blade instead of the two blade due to the TR length. You couldn’t land anywhere off hardstand without tearing up blades. I need to do more scale mods and pilots have to be 15” instead of the 12” in the 700 size.
Nice flying. Very scale maneuvering and I like the added detail of the engine compartment scoop that you added.
Something is rubbing in the head or drivetrain.
Alot of electric motors of that style have the same sound. I don't think it's rubbing because others that I know that have that same scale helicopter sound the same. But I think its a good thing to point out just in case but I think its ok.
Scale?
It's an 800 class scale. Compared to the spec I can find for the full size, it appears to be roughly a 1/5 scale.