Honda CB500X vs Africa Twin - should I upgrade? [QuickTest#1]
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- Comparing my 2019 Honda CB500X to the new 2020 Africa Twin. Is it worth 2.5 times the price, and should you upgrade to a premium adventure bike?
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I have a 2019 500x and agree with everything you say. There have been times when I would have liked a bit more power, heated grips and cruise control. But more often I have been grateful for it not weighing too much, using very little fuel and not costing too much when it fell over ( mud on road whilst travelling at 2mph). For 95% of the time I wobble around enjoying riding a bike.
My thoughts exactly: the 500X is a brilliant bike, but as you say, you can’t help yearning for a Plus or an R version with just a few more toys (and fewer vibrations🙄). But I also agree that it’s very liberating to be able to bimble around on a simple bike that you don’t have to worry about too much. Ride safe:)
I bet the fuel comment means even more now.
I don’t have a CB500X, but from what I know of them, your comparison is spot on! Thanks! Ride safe my friend...
11:11am!! Make a wish! Hey great review. I love my 2019 cb500x, it's made everything happen for me. Took it from the Yukon to Newfoundland and had no problems with it. My only issues with the bike are the knee position and the weak first gear. I'd trade in for a 650x if they ever make it.
Thanks for your words of encouragement 😊 Yep, the 500X is a great bike, but like you, I’d swap it for a 650X. Ride safe.
Hi Rocketman. Thanks for a great review. I have a test ride in a few days... So thanks to you I know what to look out for. Have fun and keep safe.
I just bought a CB500X and cant be happier. Was thinking of getting the Africa Twin as my next bike in a couple of years and you answered a lot of questions I had. Très bon accent français by the way!
Merci, Sylvain. The biggest problem for me is the price and unnecessary electronics on the AT, otherwise it's a great all-round bike :)
Brilliant honest video esp around 12.00mins! GREAT video!! Thank you, you have confirmed my personal thoughts. Keep up the GREAT work!!
Thanks for that, Steve, much appreciated. Ride safe :)
@@RocketMan_Moto Thanks to You, good Sir! There is nothing like somebody taking the time to do a great comparison of 2 bikes that you have been dying to try out before purchasing!! This is great homework, thank you my good man!! Big "Hello Waving" from the "Blair Family" currently living in Auckland, New Zealand (or Noo Zeelund for you beautiful Americans!! :-)
Very good review, RocketMan. Thank you!!! Happy New Year!
Thanks, Eduardo. Feliz novo ano to you, too😊
I love this video. Really informative and your video editing is very, very professional (to me at any rate). Brilliant choice of comparison and full of useful information. Nice one.
Nice review, thanks. You remind me of Peter Jones who voiced the book from Hitchhiker Guide to the galaxy. I can picture you riding along and saying "Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is....." :-)
Haha, lovely comment. Thanks. Several people have commented on my voice, one person even suggesting my day job must be as a narrator for the National Geographic channel😂 Ride safe😊
Quite frankly I wouldn’t bother. These days I just ride around town and day trips for which the 500X is much less bulky and more manageable. I’ve had a few large BMWs, HondaXLV750, Tiger 750 Trail.
My thoughts exactly. For the kind of riding I do, the AT is overkill... and my Rocket will be here soon, if I fancy more power. Ride safe :)
Your analysis is spot on!
Many thanks for your words of encouragement - much appreciated :)
Thank you for this review. Good exercise between the little one and the big sister. Congrats for your french accent ;) I'm getting my CBX very soon (2018 model), can't wait for it. Cheers.
Great appraisal of two great bikes. I've ridden a 500x around Thailand and had no complaints. Got my sights set on the Yamaha Ténéré 700 - ticks all the right boxes.
Thanks, Gareth. Yep, the CB500X is a great bike, but I think the Ténéré has trounced it. Ride safe😊
Thank you so much for your review. That's what I needed!
This is great comparison and great review. I'm loving the 500X and like the light weight - l never been one for heavy bikes. Many thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Love how you commented on Jocelin Snow! She's a friend of ours in our riding community. Very cool person and yes, she eliminates the big bikes for big boys argument straight away.
Very good assessment of the two bikes. I don't have your experience, but I got a good sense of the trade-offs. A big thumbs up.
Many thanks for your kind words. Both are good bikes, but if I had £16-17K to spend on an adventure bike, it would have to be the GS. Bit boring, because there are so many, but it is superior to the AT in just about every way, imo. Ride safe 😊
The difference is that a Honda or Suzuki are much more likely to be reliable. Back in the day I had a low mile BMW RT for 10 years. I loved that bike when it ran and it would run just long enough for me to think that I had finally fixed all the issues before it let me down again. (Sometimes I'm a slow learner) . The last straw came when a pushrod O ring let go when I was pulling into the driveway at work and it dumped a litre of oil on the back wheel. Never again. A couple of years ago I recall reading 50,000 km endurance tests of bikes in Motorrad International. They were complaining about the catastrophic failures they kept having with modern BMW's. When even the German's are complaining; you know there is a problem. And the expense of service and repair, yikes!
@@davephillips5868 Horror stories like yours are all too common with BMWs (bikes and cars), unfortunately. As you say, when they're working, they're wonderful machines, but reliability long term is an issue, especially when compared to Japanese bikes, and repair costs can be astronomical. Ride safe :)
Good review - I think the A/T makes more sense if you live in a place like Oz with its vast stretches of unsurfaced roads. It can devour these conditions with ease, for many hours at a time & with bulletproof reliability. The main issue with Honda introducing a super competent mid capacity dual sport tourer, is it would instantly kill the sales of so many other bikes overnight. There's almost certainly an unwritten agreement between manufacturers to ensure no one ever knocks it out of the park & nails the market like this. An example of this was the Varadero - Honda gave buyers the amazing choice of the popgun 125, or the lard ass 1000, and nothing else in between - why ?....they knew if they made a 650 Varadero with all day comfort, manageable weight, decent off-road & luggage carrying ability (maybe shaft drive too) everyone else would be screwed, AND it would've effected sales of their own larger capacity bikes in all classes as well : )
Thanks for your feedback :) You're right, I was focusing on my own needs in this review, namely how the two bikes are suited to the roads in and around Lisbon. I'm sure that, if I lived in a harsher environment, such as the Australian outback, I would want the bullet-proof Honda over the high-tech (and expensive-to-repair) GS. You're quite right about the marketing, too: a decent mid-range CB650X would steal sales from the more lucrative AT. Ride safe :)
Excelent review RocketMan.
Two year ago I bought a brand new CB500x MY18. It was my first bike, and I sign the order without ride it.
I enjoyed the little 500, the way it handles, son nimble and light, but I felt it small for my 6'2", and its suspension very uncomfortable.
I sold it after just 3500 km, aiming to a used 1200gs or Africa Twin. The Tenere 700 was not yet available.
Finally decided for a used 2016 standard Africa Twin, with 9000km, very well equipped for a fantastic price. Just put more 1000km on, and am very happy, but ... still miss the lightness feel of the good old 500x.
If the 500x had decent suspension and a little more wheelbase and height, probably it would cost more than my used Africa Twin.
Cost aside, probably my choice would be Tenere 700. Comparing it against the AT (old model, manual gearshift) just a little less comfortable in Motorways. Its 76 hp are more than enough, and is as nimble as the 500x, with proper suspension.
Have a nice 2020.
Agreed. I'm 6'3" and the CBX does feel a little small. Very easy bike to live with, though. Ride safe :)
Love this dude. Always makes sense. I am shortlisting bikes and cb500x after 20 years of not riding is on the podium.
Thanks, Luke. You can't go far wrong with the CB500X, excellent bike :)
Thanks for this vid I appreciate your way of speaking, clear with simple words so in spite of my poor english, I could understand everything you said and I agree with your philosophy. AT is truly a great bike but the 500X suits 95 % of our riding ... for half the price.
Merci, Rémy, c'est gentil. J'ai vécu 30 ans à Lille avant de descendre à Lisbonne, donc j'ai un peu l'habitude d'adapter mon anglais, pour que tout le monde arrive à suivre :) Ride safe :)
I have just made this exact change about three weeks ago. After putting just over 18,000klm on my 2017 CBX it was time to get something a bit more capable offroad and with a bit longer legs for traveling. The CBX was good fun but it didn't have the clearance or the power to handle anything even half serious offroad, believe me I tried it. The AT adventure sports I bought I have now put around 3500klm on is nearly every bit the better bike. Now I live in rural Australia and the conditions on and off road are very different to Europe and the US with a lot more open country between urban areas and urban areas being a hell of a lot smaller than other countries and offroad tracks being a lot less used and well defined (of what I have seen in various videos anyway). The CBX hands down is an easier bike to ride around town due to its lower seat height and lesser weight making it feel a bit more nimble but that's probably the only thing I miss about it. Not getting blown across the road by large trucks and the ride being several times smoother and more comfortable makes the AT great for my daily commute to work too. My final thoughts are that the CBX is a great learner or starter adventure bike for someone but if you want to get serious the Africa Twin is the next step up (in Hondas anyway) though I too wish there was a 750-800cc version.
Agree completely on the CBX: a great 'beginner's' bike, but you will always yearn for a bit more of everything. Ride safe :)
AGREED! COME ON HONDA!
Another EXCELLENT review comparison! 2016 CB500X owner here... considering the exact alternatives you've compared/reviewed!
Due to your reviews (only watched them all in the past 24 hours) I'm happily sticking with the CB500X!
Thanks, Edgar. Yes, the 500X is a great bike and I already regret selling my 2019. Ride safe :)
Wow! I can't imagine how you only have around 6000 Subscribers. I think you make one of the best motorcycle comparisons on CZcams and I love to watch your videos.
I really trust you the most when it comes to motorcycle reviews and the way you present an criticize the motorcycles is the perfect balance between the people which only point out the positive thing an those how do the opposite.
It is a shame that your popularity is "so low" ( compared to others).
Continue!
I which you the best!
Thanks for the encouragement. I don't push the channel that much and only started last September, so maybe that's why :)
Ok... That may be why. Let's hope the best!
Ive got a 2017 500X and my next bike will be the Tenere 700. I had considered my options with a new Africa Twin, but really I think it comes down to weight for me. the 50% bump in power for the Tenere but with the same weight and larger wheels seems to hit the sweet spot for me. Plus its hard to argue with the price. Great review!
Thanks for your kind words! The Tenere wasn't available when I bought my 500X, but it would definitely be on my shortlist today. I'll be doing a video comparing it to the 500 hopefully in the next week or so. I'm just waiting for it to stop raining here in 'sunny Portugal'! Ride safe :)
Very good review, for the Africa Twin and Tenere 700! I also own a 2019 CB500X, and it's a just perfect all-rounder; we ride duo but its limited power keeps us from traveling with luggage in plus of our 130kg.. We tried a Moto Guzzi V85TT, it's very comfortable, but I agree that a CB650X woul'd be a good compromise, around 70-75hp and 70nm. Price, comfort and fuel range is hard to beat on the 500X.
Merci pour votre commentaire :) I agree with everything you say. The Africa Twin left me a little cold, but I have perhaps found salvation in the Yamaha Ténéré: czcams.com/video/qqJC0FmNdxI/video.html
Bonne route :)
Excellent job comparing and contrasting these two bikes.It will be interesting to see how the “baby” Africa Twin (800 cc) measures up.Of the large adventure bikes,I would opt for the Super Tenere 1200, by virtue of its shaft drive and significantly lower cost over the GS.I haven’t ridden a CB500X yet, but by all accounts,I feel confident one will be in my garage in the not too distant future.It’s just that good in so many ways, reliable, and affordable.Thank you again, and be safe.Subscribed.👍
Thanks, Brian :)
Your conclusion was spot on! I totally agree.
Thanks for your positive feedback, much appreciated! Ride safe :)
Great vid thx. I'm literally vacillating over which of these to get, I've been making offers on CRF's this week, but you have turned me back to the 500 X.
Thanks. I was going to buy a 2023 CB500X, but ended up getting the new Transalp - the sweet spot between the 500 and the AT :)
Thanks for this video! I had looked at the AT when I bought my CB500X in mid 2017. The only reason I went with the X was fuel economy. I've done over 60k km since and I'm taller than you. On a long journey I will discreetly stand on the footpegs on the ride, to stretch my legs when nobody is around. I bought and briefly rode a 25yo Diversion XJ900 last year, but it was a dog on the road, in terms of handling, compared to the X. The Diversion however left a legacy, when I sold it a month later, that had now knocked my 'dream bike', the AT, out of any future consideration - the shaft drive.
I've now been eyeballing the VFR 1200 X Crosstourer Highlander DCT. I've looked at the 1200GS, but am not happy about BMW having much shorter service intervals than the Hondas.
That, however, will be a plan in two years' time.
Right now, I'm planning a trip from Oxfordshire to Olhão for Christmas, on my Halfrican Twin, Covid and quarantine rules in France and Spain permitting. We've already been to Mönchengladbach for breakfast the one day, but I fear I'm the weak link for this longer trip.
An excellent and well thought out video. I have a 2016 CB500X which I love to bits and use both for my daily commute and for weekend trips away. I tried the old AT earlier in the year as I've long thought it might be my next bike. I enjoyed the experience but other than the extra power certainly didn't feel it was that much of an advance over the X. Nice bike though. In a way I'm disappointed that Honda have pushed the AT up market like this, the Adventure Sports is way too expensive but not in the GS league. I agree with what so many others have said, a 650 or 700 X would be great, a new Transalp really. At the moment it's looking more likely I'll go for a 650 V-Strom next time.
Thank you for your kind words, much appreciated :) You are echoing the thoughts of many on here: CB500X is nice, AT only a bit nicer, but way too expensive now, and not as premium feeling as the GS. Ride safe :)
Yes a new 650/700cc Transalp would sell well.
Agreed :)
I was also about to comment that I'm waiting for a Transalp revival.
Can I have a 680 Transalp with the Deauville shaft drive, pretty please.
I don't care if she's a little weighty.
@@MrBenHaynes Sounds like the perfect recipe :)
I went round the world on an old Honda XL600V - no problem!!
Excellent review RocketMan, I thought the same as you with the always on indicators at first however after chewing it over for a few weeks and being in several accidents at night one nearly costing me my life I was trying to work out why the cars are pulling out in front of me and why they couldn't see my bright white motorcycle headlight, and each time I had cars behind me. A few weeks later I was walking in rush hour in the dark and waiting to cross a multi lane road with one lane of stationary cars and other lane clear, as I looked down the road of queuing cars it was a sea of white headlights and if a motorbike was in the clear lane doing 30 mph it would of blended right in and been invisible. This is where the always on amber indicators score as you would see the amber lights moving against the back drop of car white headlights. Your point about someone thinking the bike is indicating, that someone is only going to think that if they can only see one of the amber lights and not both but even then most UK drivers have registered you are there and will usually use a little bit of care. In my accidents there was no care as they never saw me and I believe if my indicators where both lit it would of been unlikely "sorry mate I didn't see you" accidents would of happened, my body hitting a car at 40 mph is not fun. So I support Honda with their always glowing indicators, but I also accept it isn't a perfect solution.
Thanks for your real-life feedback, always useful. I am sure Honda did plenty of research before implementing the idea and your testimony would seem to validate their decision. I did actually come across a GS with them on a couple of days ago while I was in my car and did think that they gave the bike greater conspicuity. Time will tell whether other manufacturers adopt them. They may even become mandatory in a few years? Ride safe😊
Watching this in July 23 it was quite amusing at the end of the vid to hear you essentially describing the Transalp as the bike Honda should be building next. 😊
Lol, maybe Honda watched this video?? :)
I'm considering to buy the cb500x. It seems to be a really versatile bike. Thanks for your review! I agree that they are trying to put in all kinds of gadgets here and there, better with simple and straight forward stuff.
I sometimes regret selling mine. If only it had another 15-20hp :)
Hey Rocketman, Thanks for your review. One major point that is overlooked...The Africa Twin is also called CRF: it's a big dirt beast that will swallow gnarly dirt roads here in Australia for breakfast and ask for more. It will cruise happily at 120kmh on most dirt road and will also tackle technical dirt with a bit of practice. I own a 2019 non DCT, it is ultra stable due to low center of gravity, super smooth and confidence inspiring. On dirt, it is in a completely different league than the 500X. With the AT you pay for ultimate versatility, proven reliability, and I still can't fault it on the black stuff nor in town after 3 month. My previous bike was a cb500fa, and I rod a 500x in Thailand, sweet bikes, but the AT will do circles laughing around both.
Thanks for your input, Fabrice. I'm sure that in the right hands the AT is great off road. I don't have the necessary skills, however, and so am less interested in this side of the bike's abilities, however good they are. This was only a short review and, as you can see in the video, I only had time to compare the 2 bikes along the same strip of road along the Lisbon coast. That's the sort of riding I do, though, and so naturally the bike's mile-munching abilities were what I was most focusing on. Ride safe :)
@@RocketMan_Moto Agree, I have a friend with an Africa Twin...my DR650 can go places he can't dream of with the AT primarily due to weight. Capability all hinges on training of rider!
Saying that a 15.240 euros bike is doing circles laughing around a 7500 euros bike. Well, thanks for the valuable information.
Nice video, I stumbled upon it ! I have a 2021 CB500x. I really wanted the Africa Twin but could not justify the extra $10,000 USD higher price tag when the CB500x suited all of my needs . You are correct on the vibrations on the handlebars at higher speeds on the CB500x but overall it’s a great bike for the price .
The new 2022 CB500X is much better for vibrations
Yours is one of,if not the most outstanding reviews of these, or any other bikes I’ve ever seen.For true adventure riders,I feel the 500x has the advantage in being light weight, unlike the AT of GS.I look forward to throwing my 500x in the back of my truck and seeking out some trails.Thank you for comparing and contrasting these two very nice machines!👍
Thanks, Brian, for your kind words of encouragement. The CB500X is a fine bike and certainly easier to ride than the BMW. Ride safe :)
RocketMan
You’re most welcome,and ride safe as well!👍
ohhhh a CB650X could be a game changer. However, like you said earlier if they get to fancy it could ruin it. I'm all for a rock solid no frills comfortable medium sized adventure and that is why the 500x is such an attractive option. A touch more power and a spoke wheel option, oh and some optional colors in every market would make it perfectttttttt!
Great video thank you sir.
I whole heartedly agree that a Honda 650-700cc adv bike would be absolutely perfect. I would eagerly trade in my beloved 500x on one.
While the 2019 500x is certainly a huge step in the right direction over the 2013-2018(I have a ‘16), I think it needs that small bump in displacement to really come alive.
Love the videos! 🤘🏻
Thanks, Aaron. Spot-on comment, I agree completely. I couldn't wait, however, and ended up selling my 500X for a BMW F900XR. It addresses more or less all the issues I had with the Honda. I've done a comparison video, if you're interested: czcams.com/video/5zObQnc_w_M/video.html
Excellent review and comparison. And the mention of the GS was spot on. I think a 650 CB that puts out 72 HP and somehow keeps the weight at 430 would be a nice bike. (Opps, I just described the Vstrom...) One thing I've observed is that ALL AT owners love their bikes. Its the most loyal following of a bike I've ever seen. Not sure if they are just victims of the super-powered Honda marketing campaign or if the bikes are really that nice to ride.... Oh and I totally agree with the egregious electronic options. I guess the options are selling bikes, but I'd rather have a set and ride mode that responded autonimously to moister, temperature, barametric pressure, wheel slip, etc. I don't need 3 variations plus a custom setting for road surfaces...
Excellent comment and opinion! No, but seriously, thank you for posting your thoughts and for your words of encouragement - they are much appreciated. I, too, find that all riders in general love their bikes and rarely criticise the bad points. I try to highlight the things that disappoint me, irrespective of whether I own the bike or not. My Monkey 125, for example, is probably the worst bike I have ever owned and is only good for looking cute. But don't tell the Monkey community I said that! Ride safe :)
I had the 2016 AT with the permanent indicator lights on. In a sea of white lights on a dusky evening I thought they were a great aid to others to "pick me out". I have no way of really knowing of course but do feel the benefit outweigh the perceived (or real) negative. I think most people associated the blink of the light with an indication rather than a solid light.
Thanks for your feedback, Terry. I have no idea of knowing, either, of course and no doubt Honda looked into the idea thoroughly before implementing it. Personally, I would feel more comfortable with a pair of auxiliary lights mounted on, say, the engine crash bars and possibly tinted yellow to stand out a bit more from the crowd :)
@@RocketMan_Moto yes, modulated lights would be handy too.
Greetings from Oz and thanks for the review! I have a 2016 CB500X and am very pleased with its value. Still getting used to the change from a VStrom 650 though. 😁
Thanks for your kind words of encouragement😊 I have yet to try the V Strom, but I’ve heard plenty of good things about it. Ride safe.
sunsetrod hello I’m about to purchase a 2019 CB 500 X or a 2020 Suzuki V-Strom 650 and having a hard time on which way to go. I’m 5‘11“ tall and 195 pounds. The V-Strom would only be $700 more because of the large rebate but I had a 2013 500 X and loved it and the only thing I did not like was The lack of power passed 65 miles an hour on the expressways. Otherwise it was so comfortable, light, fun and great gas mileage and value
@@seanloehmann4607 Thanks for your feedback :)
@@seanloehmann4607 That's a tough one. You really have to ride both. The Strom is taller and heavier, probably better for touring. The 500x a bit easier to ride. Good luck!
Great review. I'm looking for the new bike and I have tested CRF1000L, Tenere 700 and V-Strom 650XT so far. Now I take into consideration CB500X as well. Every bike I tested could be the good choice, I like AT for the overall look, nice engine and suspension, V-Strom for very smooth v-twin and the handling. I felt great on Tenere because of the great engine and perfect maneuverability but I don't like the design and the seat. After watching your reviews I know I should try CB500X. Thanks for nice reviews of the bikes!
Thanks for your kind words of encouragement, Marcin. Ride safe :)
My eye still twitches a bit whenever I hear a complaint on power and hearing something like "I need 100hp to do everything". Dude.... My current bike barely does 15hp and I can still do hillclimbs and deep sand riding. Of course it is underpowered and begs to be shot whenever I do 100+ on the highway, but a 100hp??
I understand you are used to a whole different level of motorcycles and I wish I could do the same, but I honestly can't think of an argument that could justify a "minimum" of 100hp. I don't want to make this a "rich kid" argument because it's just stupid to do so, but I would still like to hear an argument for the minimum.
Still.... I'm looking forward to getting myself a cb500x clone and not having to reach the rev limiter to cruise 120. Your first impressions were also very accurate, and give me the impression that Honda is just throwing more stuff at the AT to make it a more complete package, but honestly I can't justify the upgrade (were I to have a 1000 AT, or even a 750).
I get what you're saying, but my reasoning is that if you have ever used full throttle on a bike (or in a car), then by definition you don't have enough power. I understand that this varies from one rider to the next, but use full throttle a little too often on the CB500X for my own personal comfort. I enjoy having lots of power in reserve, hence the forthcoming Triumph Rocket. It's just how I am, we're all different. Ride safe :)
I rode my GS 650 fully loaded from UK to the Balkans, never needed more than the 50 hp it has.
Mike Hurley Wow, not sure I’d fancy that, but good for you. I bet it was a great adventure. Ride safe😊
@@RocketMan_Moto I toured the Forest of Dean in Glos, then 8 days in North Wales. Went to Normandy for 1 week then down to Italy and ferry from Ancona to Durres, Albania then home to Kosovo. Great trip and bike was perfect, not even a puncture.
@@mikehurley5052 Sounds wonderful :)
I've been taking a really hard look at the CB500X as my next bike, so I have really appreciated your reviews and videos! I couldn't agree more about the desire to see a CB650X, but the cynic in me wonders if such a bike existed, would the premium (higher profit) Africa Twin suddenly become a much harder sell for Honda? I mean a CB650X perhaps with spoke wheels and switchable rear ABS... Honda would have a tough time convincing half of that market that they need the higher priced Africa Twin.
Thanks for your kind words of encouragement - much appreciated :) A 650X would be spot on - same basic bike, but with the 95hp engine from the 650R and with better front forks and twin-disc front brakes. Priced around £9000. But as you suggest, Honda probably realise that no-one would want the AT then. Ride safe :)
@@RocketMan_Moto I'm not so sure about that. KTM manage to sell a 390, a 790 and a 1290. BMW also have a comparable range and Yamaha with the Tenere and Super Tenere.
I think a "mini- AT", built around the 650 engine would be more likely to take sales from the CB500X than the Africa Twin.
Fair point! So, no excuses, Honda... Ride safe😊
@@RocketMan_Moto the 650r engine is great for a sports bike but not sure an in-line 4 with that powerband would work well on an adventure bike.
Isn't the 700 Tenere kind of the bike you are talking about?
Couple years ago, I've put brand new 2017 cb500x on the road for $6700 (US). This year, I could have put 2019 model for $6900. Couple extra 100's would justify changes and add on's. I've also seen unused earlier year models listed in $5k range (+fees and tax) which I think should be the appropriate price considering that it needs few mods for longer rides. Now, I did go cross country with my 500x (2240 miles in 7 days from Oregon to Texas.) My experience comparing with bigger size bikes is following (I also own 2019 Super Tenere.) For speeds up to 70mph (even 75mph) 500x is adequate. It is sensitive to wind conditions due to lower weight and power. You definitely feel the road and get more tired as you have to be engaged all the time. Cruising over 75mph for hours takes a toll both on machine and rider. Super Ten on the other hand just starts "stretching legs" at those speeds. You can cruise 80-90mph all day long and you just don't feel wind or anything on the road due to superior suspension. On 500x, I was covering 300-400 miles in a day and that was about limit for me. On Super Ten, 500-600 miles a day is quite reasonable in good conditions. As for city riding or slower curvy roads 500x is more than good enough. Probably better match than big bike like Super Ten. Afrika Twin is I think is in between those two. I wouldn't pay full price for Afrika but, I've seen left over models sold in US for $8k-9k which is about right. GS is in class or Super Ten and way more expensive than any mentioned here. The big advantage of GS and S10 is shaft drive vs chain, especially on long trips. Another viable options are NC750X and V-strom650. For more road oriented, Versys 650 or Tracer 900. Many also want Tenere 700 lately. Btw, I think 500x i little small for guys over 6'. I'm 5'10" and wouldn't mind an inch taller seat.
Thanks for your feedback. I think the 2019 CB500X definitely offers a number of advantages over the older model, and is a great all-round bike. Ride safe :)
A fully Stage3 Rally-Raid kitted CB500X I could _probably_ live with, as an every day and solo luggage adventure/tourer bike.
I hope Honda team up with RallyRaid and work out a price that suits most pockets to make the ultimate 500 all-rounder.
2 versions, Euro A2 compliant, and a full A version with a bit more power and grunt.
@@VaderWhoop Honda has no business interest in Rally Raid. It would put it in price range that would no longer make sense. As is, X is great bike for 90% of its worldwide users. Rally Raid is niche market with very few willing to sink the $'s. It is pretty much impossible to find anybody in the US who is even using it as a business opportunity. Parts alone is $3k which is insane. Stage 3 is no longer available I think.
I have a CB500X as a second bike for local hopping around, which includes rough lanes and all year round use. My other bike is a T120 which is great for two up. If I could only have one bike I’d have to get the best all round that I could afford.
I agree completely. It's just that I was slightly disappointed with the Africa Twin given its price point. The GS feels a lot more premium. Ride safe :)
I have a 2017 DCT Africa Twin, bought with 1500miles last year. It was good value compared to the new model. I've done a 420mile day and 1800 mile week on the bike and seat comfort has never been an issue (and it has been on other bikes). It's not 'soft' comfortable, but works over distance, maybe because there is room to move around and change your position and therefore, pressure points subtly. If you ride one, 'Drive' mode is best left for dawdling in traffic or sightseeing, as it changes up very early. In Sport modes (choice of 3) things are much more normal feeling. A dab on the manual shift buttons easily overrides the auto programs and I find the shifts rapid and incredibly smooth, even when on the gas. It's like an up and down quick shift, and you can always ride in manual mode too. The 'factory fit' Dunlop tyres are poor in the wet, but many bikes have this issue. Fuel consumption is good for 1000cc and range acceptable. My biggest gripe is that it comes with tubed type rims, which means you cannot simply plug a puncture roadside, as with tubless. There are ways to run tubless tyres without tubes, but the good options arent cheap. One good thing about the bike is there is a great choice of accessories from many manufacturers, so you can make it 'yours' without having to buy Honda's very expensive options. It's a great bike and much better value than the latest model.
Thanks for your input. I agree on the pricing; the old model was far more reasonably priced.
So perfecet review!!! So much info and all of it is necessary! Also i like your whole "simplicity " philosophy!!! Cars and motos have become PS consoles nowadays... Just make it good n' keep it simple!!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU COMPARISON VIDEOS , IT REALLY HELPS US WHEN LOOKING FOR OWN UNICORN MOTORCYCLE......CHEERS
Thank you :)
Thank You for an earnest review
we fully agree and went for an AffricaTwin 2019 DCT simple menus and with its throttle by wire it has actually become the perfecktion in motorcycles.
But a 750 XX 55kw with sprocket wheels up and down front forks and adjustable rear suspension, a 16 spocket front chainwheel would give a higher gearing and les vibration , 40 kg less than the 998cc AfricaTwin would defiantly be a challenge for the 700 Ténéré , but sadly i do not think Honda are interested because they make a lot of money on much smaller bikes.
A very, very good review. Thank you. I will subscribe.
Thank you for your words of encouragement, Ronald. They make all the work worthwhile :) There will be lots more videos coming over the winter (which is mercifully short here in Portugal), and even if most will be on my Triumph Rocket, rather than the CB500X, they should be fun. Ride safe :)
I enjoyed your video. I don't disagree with your comments; however, I purchased a new 2018 AT Nov 1, 2019. I came from an HD Road King so I get what you mean about the power plant, but it is definitely faster than the Road King it doesn't pull at low rpm. I'm only 5'4" and I find the bike very manageable, even confidence inspiring. I thought about the 500X, and for the most part it would be fine for me. In Canada we have a lot of pavement and you find yourself doing a lot of km's getting to where you want to be. I really like my AT it is black with black aluminum luggage, crash bars, centre stand, and larger windscreen. I'm very happy with it.
Thanks for your feedback, Gerald. It sounds as though you got the right bike for your riding (and country). Portugal is a tiny country compared to Canada, so I have different priorities. Enjoy your AT and ride safe :)
Thank you. I like the video. I'm in the US and the prices here for entry AT are around 14k, last year's model 10k. The entry 1250GS is about 22k. The CB500X is about 7K. Anyway, unless I'm missing something it's seems like the are all sort of separated by roughly 7k here and the power, bells and whistles are also similarly different. I'd definitely be more hesitant to upgrade from the AT basic to premium...even more so to a BMW 1250GS. Good presentation. Would love to see some comparison to the tiger line and/or tracer 900gt or 9Gt.
Thanks for your comment. I am very much doing back to basics at the moment. I had a fancy BMW last year and didn't like it. The Tiger is on my list :)
I recently went on an ADV ride through Patagonia as a group. I was riding the CB500X and found it an excellent bike. Not exciting, but excellent in the way an appliance is excellent. It was a good choice. Nevertheless, it could not keep up with the other bigger bikes and I was always tail-end Charlie when riding it. I had to flog it mercilessly to keep up, and there were no multi-lane highways either. Your rule of needing enough power to avoid pinning the throttle open seems right to me.
Thanks. The lack of power was definitely its main shortfall for me. I think 100hp is about right for me.
Another great video. For me I'm comparing the 2020 CB500X vs 2020 Africa Twin Adventure Sport. 50 kilo difference. I like the fancy gadgets. I don't care about the price and I will be dropping whatever I get. I think you are really paying for the extra ground clearance and the highway capabilities.
I rarely get over 6k revs on my current CB500X.
Haha, that's the spirit! Unfortunately, I am a bit too meticulous with my vehicles and like them all to remain spotless at all times. Ride safe :)
YEP you are so right. I test rode both bikes today as I am looking for a commuter bike. I thought the CB500X would fit that need but to me it revved to high and the footrests where to far back for my liking and to high as well. I think if they did a CB650X set up more like the Africa Twin footrest placement it would be spot on and I would buy it for my commuter bike. I liked the Africa Twin but I do not need that big of a motorcycle for a commuter heck I have a Goldwing and a Super Cub that I use now for commuting. The Cub I have to take the streets and it takes about 15 more minutes to ride to work as on the Wing I can hope on the freeway and get to work a bit faster.
Thanks for your video and I believe from my point of view that it does not deserve to change the cb500x for an expensive and very beautiful Africa Twin but everyone has their opinion. The vibrations in the cb500x could perhaps be corrected by checking and lowering the pressure of the tires or poorly balanced the wheels. Take care.
If the 500X would have been available in 2010 - I would have never bought my F800GS. Comparing AFT and the 500X like comparing a Range Rover and a CRV (written before I saw your comparison). You don't "need " 100 HP. The AFT is half the price of a 1250 GS. You haven't heard of the 750x? You can get a new (not 2020) AFT in Canada for 9000 GBP. I just bought a new 2018 (wanted the 17" front) 500X for 3800 GBP. The new KTM 790 (8200 GBP in Canada) is the ultimate adventure bike regardless of size. BTW the 1250 GS "starts" at 13500 GBP and sells for 16500 in reality. Crazy expensive for what it is.
I agree, Jon. I tried the new 1250GS and loved it, but wow, the price once specced up with the 'obligatory' options..! Ride safe :)
My first bike was a CB500x , brilliant little machine , then i had a NC 700 dct now i have an Africa Twin i would never go back this bike has evreything i missed in my previous bikes
There's no denying the AT is a great bike, I just wish Honda hadn't decided to make it so expensive. Ride safe :)
I have a 2017 AT and what appealed to me was the simplicity of the machine and the price I think Honda have gone to far down the technical route
My sentiments exactly. Hang on to your 2017 and ride safe :)
Thank you for the review and your opinion from these two. Would you choose Suzuki VSTROM 650XT or Honda CB500X ? Do you have a review of the VSTROM 650XT ?
Thanks for a great review. The CRF1000 AT second hand in the 15000k range (Kilometers & A$ [Oz])would be a good bet with the less tec and simple screen. But for about 7000 euro (12000 A$) I get a both a CRF250rally and a CB500X in the 2017 model year with low kilometers, optioned up, redundancy and fun and I don't have to stress if I drop either of them.
But your Vlog style is great to listen to, nice modulation and good production.
Thanks, Darren :)
Great review. Exactly, I'm hoping the new trans alp 750 is the trick.
Me too. I have a Transalp on order😊
Great review Rocketman, I have subscribed to your channel! Your points are valid regarding the comparison, however if your end purpose was more towards off road you likely would have leaned more towards the features added by the AT. Cheers!
You're right, but I have moved away from off-road and now have a BMW F900XR :)
@@RocketMan_Moto Interesting, I have always been a BMW fan as well. Have you done a review on that one yet?
Yes: BMW F900XR 1000km OWNER'S REVIEW - the perfect all-rounder?
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Brilliant review!! Thank you for taking the time. I’m in the market for a new bike and I’m asking myself if the Africa Twin is worth the extra money over the CBX. I don’t think the Africa is selling well in the states so there only about a $3-4000 difference but still significant if I’m in just using for weekend day rides. Ride safe!
Thanks for your kind words. Bikes are very personal affairs, but while I am very happy with the ‘ordinary’ 500X, I wouldn’t spend the extra on the AT. It just doesn’t feel special enough to me, at least at that price point. Ride safe:)
RocketMan You’re getting a Rocket 111 and you think the Africa Twin is overkill??? Amazing. I was told by a salesman, who didn’t have a high opinion of an A/Twin with the lot - drop it and you might as well set fire to it.
If it had shaft drive like the XLV750 I’d go for the standard twin.
This is Claudio from Italy...why don't you take into consideration getting a used AT.....I own the 2017 DCT model and I am very satisfied...very high engine torque at low rpm, very confortable suspensions, relatively low fuel consumption.
@@MrAndrew1953 it may seem irrational on the face of it, but my Rocket will be a toy, rather than a means of transport, and as such needs to be as OTT as possible - and indeed, it is. The AT & GS are more 'workhorse' and so I don't need fancy gizmos.
@@NitroglicerinaBumBum Yes, I think the previous generation AT is, in many ways, more suited to my needs than the new model. Thanks for your feedback :)
If I should need a adventure bike, I'll go for a Honda Transalp- I've never owned anything but Hondas. But of those 2 I'll take the 500X, It's nimbler and looks like a lot of fun to drive. Also a big thanks for your always honest comments and opinion
Thanks, G Man. The AT is very nice, but for the money I'd rather have an R1250GS. The CB500X is a great little all-rounder :)
I took my 500x on probably one of the best biking roads in the UK; Masham to Richmond in Yorkshire. It was a beautiful day and the Bike just zipped along, agile and nimble the thing just flew along and was great fun. Uncomplicated bike that just lets you enjoy the journey. I will be on my third 500x when the new version comes out in 2022 and wouldn't want anything bigger.
I agree it's a great 'little' bike. I am sorely tempted by the 2022 model, too, especially if they have fixed the vibration issue. Ride safe :)
very good review ! Thanks !
Many thanks for your kind words - makes all the work worthwhile. Ride safe :)
Thanks for the video and I still own cb500x, 2019 model. 👍
Great bike, hang on to it :)
First time I encounter you in CZcams. Wasn’t expecting to see my home town 😂
Great place to live!
@@RocketMan_Moto Lisboa? Portugal?
I’ve been riding since I was 16 and I’m now 67 I got a cb 500x in November and I love it enough power for the real world riding and great build quality. Very comfortable for longer ride’s and economic too.
The 2022 model is a winner: czcams.com/video/hL7-dxbJLfo/video.html
Nice review.
I`ve rode CB500X 19 too. That`s my first bike and first season. It`s exactly what I need.
And question: why did you compare Africa with 1250, not with 850 ?
What do you think about GS 750 instead of CB500 ?
Great choice; the CB500X is the perfect first bike! I have this thing about big engines (hence the Triumph Rocket...), so I tried the 1250GS, rather than the 850. But I take your point - the 850GS is perhaps a closer competitor to the AT, at least in the engine department. Ride safe :)
Used to ride a variety of BMWs from 650GS through 5 K1200RS and GTs. Love my 2016 Honda 500X. No more $1000 annual service costs. Do it all myself. Yes could use a little more power 2 up. Helped by changing front sprocket. Lower revs on highway. Did not like the AT at all. Felt like I was driving a tractor. 500x needs to be a 650. Perfect. Added bash plate, hand warmers, crash bars (mostly for better tie downs) top case for wife to rest against and it is more fun than a barrel of monkeys. Dual sport that I can pick up by myself after bouncing off dead wood on back trails.
Owning a 2016 cb500x myself, I have often thought about replacing it for an AT which is some kind of my dream machine. But when going down to "rational", I share your thoughts and I am afraid my CB will stay with me for many years to come even if obviously an AT is a better machine overall. But simplicity and economy are great points and CB has no rival there, while being good at everything.
The AT is lovely, but not worth the extra cost over the CB :)
very good review and very good recommendation for cb 650x and fewer vibration..
Thanks. Maybe the new TransAlp will give us all what we want?
At 75 years old and having ridden motorcycles for. 60 years I currently have a 2015 Goldwing Anniversary edition. It’s gorgeous, everything I wanted after riding two ST1300s more than 150k miles. The STs had simply gotten too too heavy for this old man. The GW has been a great ride but it’s still a bit much. My long riding days are done. The CB500X looks like a great day rider for where I live in Northern Arkansas. I don’t want something as tall in the saddle as the AT. I’m looking forward to setting this minimal bike up with some of the accessories available in the aftermarket. Bags, GPS, heated grips, bigger windscreen, hand guards should keep me busy for a while and better set me up for year round riding.
Great choice. Enjoy
I totally agree with you. I'm enjoying my CB500X 2022, twin disk front but still suffering vibrations and a lack of power. Adding 10/15hp and this bike would be perfect for me. 👍
…which is why I recently ordered the new Transalp😊
The newest V-Strom 650 is wonderfully smooth and comfortable. It would do what you want without the excess expense. I'm getting old so I'll be keeping my 500F, but I really miss my Gen 2 V-Strom 1000.
Yes, many people have suggested the V-Strom 650. I haven't tried it, but on paper it would seem to offer what I'm looking for. However, as I have the ridiculous, but irresistible Triumph Rocket on order, I will be hanging on to the 500X for a while, lol. Ride safe :)
I suspect you are right. The 500X and the Africa Twin are very different motorcycles, the latter being a pure adventure bike (perhaps not as pure as the Tenere but that would be a better comparison) whereas the 500X is aimed mainly at road riders who perhaps want to do a little mild off-roading - it has cast wheels and not spokes. So I don't think you can say you are "upgrading" to an Africa Twin from a CB500X.
@@stevetaylor8698 Indeed, 99% of my riding is on-road, and when I do venture off piste it's more forest trail than proper enduro adventure. I don't have the skills to exploit a bike like the AT off road. Ride safe :)
Sadly, the vstrom have a face even a mother wouldn't like...
@@weekendwarriorT7 Unfortunately, I have to agree. Ride safe :)
Was interested in the new Africa twin but after watched a few reviews bit disappointing, it's still far from the big gs. Good job on the review, thank you.
Exactly: if I had £16-18K to spend on that type of bike, I would definitely be looking at the GS. It's a bit boring, because everybody seems to be riding them, but it really is streets ahead of the AT, IMHO. Ride safe :)
I have owned my Honda CB500x for literally 3 days, so far it's been okay, agree with you on the vibrations but overall a decent model without a crazy price tag. The Africa Twin is far too pricey and as you put it, with a higher profit margin, says it all. I will stick with the CB500x for a good while until there's a gap filler 650/700cc model introduced in the future with a sensible price tag
I eventually went with the BMW F900XR and am really pleased with it :)
I agree! I'm sticking with mine for a good few years until a decent gap filler 650/700 turns up
Excellent objective review.
I totally agree with your comments, but now in 21 you can get some cracking deals on the Africa twin. It will cost you a lot more money to get a GS.
Hi great video, a comparison with the manual version would be appreciated cheers thanks.
Thanks for your kind words, much appreciated. My dealer has promised to try and get me a manual AT next month, but the weather is pretty poor here in Portugal at the moment, so I’m not sure when I’ll be able to get the filming done. Ride safe:)
A CB650X (100bhp) with stainless spoked anodized alloy wheel rims, a gel padded seat, decent adjustable screen, Renthal bars, barkbuster handguards, grippy footpegs, a decent sump guard, a centre stand, a rear too box mounting plate/frame as standard, and the 2014 CB600F white red and blue livery; that'd be near perfect for me.😊
Factory extras....
fork gaiters/bellows, a rear hugger to protect rear shock, engine guard bars, aux led lighting, rear side pannier frame and panniers.
Heated grips and usb aux power point.
I 100% agree with your closing comment. A CB650X would be a perfect mid size machine
Good review/comparison. For every day riding, my CB500X is exceptional. It is incredibly user friendly. Should I want a real touring bike, I'm in agreement, the BMW is the better choice. When I climbed on a Twin, I was put off by the bulk. Yes, it would be nice to have more power and less vibration, but the 500x excels in it's class.
Thanks for your kind words, much appreciated. And I agree 100% with your assessment - the 500X is a great all-rounder, pity Honda can't give us an R version with a couple of subtle tweaks. Ride safe :)
Thanks for a great video, I am riding an old F800GS and you got me thinking about the comparison of a new CB500X verse a second hand bigger big at the same value.
Glad you enjoyed it. I sometimes regret selling the CB500X - it was a great bike, very comfortable, but those vibrations... :( I believe the 2021 model has been improved a bit.
I have just realised i am a few bikes in the past :)
Yes😂
Wonderful review. Thank you. Thumbs up & sub. Missing offroad related stuff, but as I see you're not the guy for that and that's fine.
Thanks! You're right, I prefer tarmac :) Just bought myself a Triumph Trident if you're interested - there's a video on my channel :)
I rode the old Africa Twin for a long time. It was not really much cheaper than the 2018 model. I opted for an 2018 Africa Twin (in a special offers bundle with paniers). It was worth the price for me. I am happy with the handling and performance of the bike. I actually like the firmer seat and find it comfortable. I probably would not have opted for 2020 Africa Twin either. There are too many menues and buttons for my taste.
I think you made the right decision: the 2020 AT is too 'gadgety' and too expensive. Your 2018 is perfect for the price. Ride safe :)
I own a 2017 CB500X & i still love it. But i really want a little bigger engine. The new Africa Twin 2020 seem awesome, but its way to much expensive! Its why i am dreaming about a future smaller or cheaper Africa Twin between 600-750 cc or a CB650X.
I completely understand: if you have 18-20K, then the GS still rules the roost, what we really need is a 10K mid-range Honda. Ride safe :)
I agree, I don't think any manufacturer has topped the sweet spot that is the Suzuki DL650 V-Strom. (plenty of revs, power and little in the way of vibration compared with the CB500X)
@@MrBenHaynes Yes, I neglected to try the V-Strom and now wish I had. Many people have commented on how competent it is.
My problem too: finance. The CB500X is a dream in my case moving up from the CB190.
@@tdgdbs1 I hear you: motorcycling is no longer the affordable pastime it used to be. The 500X is a great first big bike. Ride safe :)
I have a 2017 CB500X. I get the feeling there already *is* a CB650X/mini Africa Twin, although it's not made by Honda. It's the Yamaha Tenere 700.
Indeed. The Tenere wasn't available when I was looking 6 months ago, unfortunately, but it would definitely be on my shortlist now. Ride safe :)
what i want to suggest for update on cb500x is,kindly put a 2 disc caliper on the front brakes,and change the front fork shock to inverted fork to make it more agressive looking adventure touring bikes.
Yes! Twin disc front brakes would be awesome and would probably only cost another €50?? The thing I notice most when I go from the 500X to my 125hp Street Triple isn't so much the power difference but the reassuring feeling I get when squeezing the huge Brembo M50 brakes. Ride safe :)
Hope you'll be able to give a try to newest Suzuki V-Strom 1050XT and Triumph TIGER 900 Rally PRO soon...as I really like your way of reviewing the bikes versus the CB500X ;-)
I would also consider 2020 Moto Guzzi V85TT Travel as a "sweet spot" bike...
Cheers!
My thoughts exactly. I really like the look of the new Tiger, but it's a lot more expensive. I'm hoping to try it soon. Ride safe :)
Nice review I agree and well done 👍
Thanks, Jon :)
Thank you for another top quality video. It's rare to see such an objective comparison too. Very interesting and informative, and for what it's worth I fully agree with your comments on overcomplex instrument displays. Very distracting.
Cheers! 👍
Thanks. Ride safe😊
First of all thx for all great videos and thoughts,also your approach. A good question is do we change or choose our motocycle to quickly, change to change ?Try first to ''amortize'' the cost is important for me (if you didn't mentionned it yet..., maybe...;-) And yes, vibration is so...disturbing. Ride safe... first ;-)
i tested both bikes and came to the same conclusion, an 80 HP twin CB650X without electronic and modes, that s what i m looking for ! Can you understand that Mr HONDA ? not an expensive , full loaded Africa twin 850, just a light weight, easy, comfy CB650X !! The CBB500X is a fantastic bike, it only need more power. Thank you Rocketman for your great videos