Abandoned Stations Around Tower Hill
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2024
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"Let's not be pedantic"... Jago, my good sir, pedantry is the reason we love this channel!
Though isn't The Tim Traveler the one with a "Pedantry Corner"? 🙃
It becomes more and more amazing to me how we have ended up with a even a half way coherent rail network today, given the complete mess of competing railways which were built back in the 19th century and on which the current network is based.
I'd wager two things
(a) London was always going to be a hub so if you got there with yours you'd either do well or could sell up
(b) geography of the country - however chaotic, there's only so many ways you can go North < > South or East < > West & again, do well, you either get bigger or you sell up.
This video really made me think about how much of the familiar surroundings of normal, everyday life is simply forgotten about once the buildings and people have been gone for a few years.
That's the way London likes it. Tear it down, redevelop, forget all about the history of the site in favour of a quick profit, then repeat.
But we can read the memories in the present day environment!
It's amazing how quickly one forgets which business was located within a closed shop. As soon as the branding disappears, so it seems does the memory, and the place begins to look derelict
@@CarolineFord1 Not if it's demolished, and the bricks crushed into aggregate to build expensive trendy flats that displace entertainment venues that predate them!
Absolutely! Another case in point being the former GNR Holloway and Caledonian Road station - effectively beside the Holloway Road tube (this being the reason for the former's demise in 1915) and which lurked in plain sight for years....
The fact there is so little information on these stations further proves the importance of your videos, Jago. Your role as an archivist and presenter actually preserves this history. Well done!
I’m not a regular commuter, but I do go into Tower Hill quite often, finding it fascinating that many of these buildings and archeological history are still around, even with events (wars and rebuilding) over the years. Your videos do provide a curiosity to keep seeking these out. Thanks.
Hi Jago from Spain. Thanks for visiting my old patch again. There used to be an old station as one approached Tower Hill from the West, clearly visible on the left hand side of the train. It was most easily seen if one was on a terminator because the train would slow right down before going into the centre bay.
That’s the remains of Mark Lane. It’s still visible!
I think I watch too much of your videos. I went to London recently, got on a tourbus and while everybody was looking left admiring the Tower of London, I was looking right and happily pointed out to my wife: 'Look! Tower Gateway station!'...
It's good that someone has his priorities right.
My aunt Beryl as a police officer once rescued a yellow canary from a crime scene in Leman Street, took it home and called it Leman. Visitors typically thought it was called 'Lemon' because of its colour.
My late father was born and bred in the East End. He always pronounced it "lemon" street and would correct my saying 'Lee-man".
@@MrDavil43
In France/Switzerland there is a Lac Leman (we call it lake Geneva). The Francophones pronounce it Luhmah or some such. I expect that the Leman street takes its name from the lake.
Leman street was once called Lemon street.
Did it sing to the police?
Was it a stool pigeon? 😂
@@AndreiTupolev Oranges and Lemons. Supposedly Neil Gwynne by trade.
I like this occasional series about abandoned stations, having been into some of them during my time as a surveyor: Down Street, the old Aldgate East and the now disused parts of Charing Cross.
You never fail to inform us in an entertaining fashion. You are a class act.
I suggest we crowd-fund a hammer and chisel, so Mr. Hazard can go make a doorway in these bricked up station walls so we can see inside.... umm... obviously, everybody deny everything when it all goes to court!
I supposed the perpetrators will be dubbed "The Dukes of Hazzard"?
I thought it was just me that was desperate too see what remains behind all those bricked up doorways
😂😂😂
One benefit, if Mr Hazard would do it, is that nobody knows his face.
@@barneypaws4883Jago’s Fete
“Leman Street” should be pronounced like “Lemon”. Just worth mentioning because it feels like it’s dying out these days, Jack the Ripper related media getting it wrong hasn’t helped.
Anyway, great video again Jago. I find those old London and Blackwall stations very interesting. It’s incredible to think how the line and its Millwall extension were so out of favour and then would come in handy with the DLR.
I second that citrous pronunciation!
Minories will be forever Cyril Freezer's iconic model railway layout design. All the fun of a terminus station in very little space. It was a fictitious layout imagining the Great Northern actually got into the city from Moorgate, rather than being rebuffed by the railway companies in this video. Nice one, Cyril, as we used to say.
Good morning Jago. I can still remember the old Stepney East station and trains heading into Docklands and then the rebuilding for the Docklands Light Railway.
Closed railway stations above or below ground always fascinate me. Interesting as always Jago!
Wherever Jago goes in East London a ubiquitous flat/loft/apartment development is never far away. The Victorian gentlefolk wouldn’t recognise the place now!
This brings back memories. I worked in a building above Tower Hill station from 1988 to 1991. Just looked it up and it was demolished to be replaced by a CitizenM hotel.
Fascinating stuff.
Hope you're having a nice weekend Jago, thanks for the video! 😊
When you consider that the Southern railways had goods depots in the North,contrary then,how many Northern lines,had depots in the South?? With the passenger side,out of Clapham Junction,the Great Northern,Great Central,Midland,all ran excursion trains,and other through services,in connection with the LSWR, and LB&SC,so there were more than a few foreign trains operating out of South London! Oh,yes,I forgot the LNWR/LB&SC joint operation,"The Sunny South Special",which is now run by the C2C,to Rugby,from Clapham! Strange,that operation is overlooked,and has a bit of history too! Anyway,Jago,hopefully a tidbit,to ponder,and you'll work your magic,to make an interesting foray into some more obscure trivia of London's exotic transport! Thank you,for another superb video,as usual 👏 👌 😀! Thank you 😇 😊!
That could make sense of why SouthEastern’s customer service address was in Ashby-de-la-Zouch.
You left out the Tower Subway, which originally used a small 2 foot 6 inch (762mm) cable-hauled carriage in 1870, as it found to be uneconomic the carriage was discontinued a year later, and was converted to a toll foot tunnel, until 1894 when nearby Tower Bridge opened and took the traffic. It closed in 1898having been sold to the London Hydraulic Power Company.
A couple of URBEX people got in there and made a video. One of them exited at the Tower end to face a group of security forces operatives (Tower of London adjacent). The other remained on the stairs until the coast was clear.
Thanks for the memories. I worked in that building at Goodmans Yard which is now a hotel. I loved the sound of the train horns from the traffic in and out of Fenchurch Street Station.
Abandoned stations are fascinating especially when the platforms are still there.5 I can think of in the north east;Monkwearmouth, Eastgate ,Grangetown,Greatham and Brotton on the Boulby freight.I think that the reason why they retained the platforms at many of these was for crossing keepers and signalmen to get off/on.South Shields original Metro is one too,forgot about that!BSC Redcar and Teesside Airport are technically open although nothing stops.
You mean Redcar British Steel - not BSC Redcar
I actually have the honour of being the last passenger to be picked up from there before it was closed for the time being - annoyed the hell out of the site security who thought I was a trespasser until I pointed out it was still an open station and therefore with a ticket, was entitled to be there
these videos will in time become a huge resource for future historians. Magnificent work, JH.
Fascinating. The history of our railways and its infrastructure is the bedrock on which our industrial power and might was built.
I have fallen in love with this channel. Love it this classic England.
I find it amazing that there are pictures of Tower of London a temporary wooden station, but not several of the others there is nothing left not even pictures ...
Most of the others were closed long before ToL opened in the 1880s, before photography was a thing.
@3:24 thank goodness you found the location of London's number one axe throwing experience. That unknown has been bothering me quite some time.
@3:23 - Never mind about abandoned stations, I want to know more about "Axeperience Axe Throwing"🤯. Moreover, to be #1 rated in London means there must be more than one such establishment!
Latest fad amongst the “oh god, here he comes, he’s going to tell me about his new hobby” community of people we all work with.
Great video. A subject that cannot be Abandoned. But I know around me there's a few mainline Abandoned stations and replaced by newer stations of the same name.
Tanks Jago...interesting about the old depots and old Tower of London station. Your videos are increasingly a Tower of strength.
I'll be in London in a few weeks and Tower Hill tube station will be my exit and entry point for my week stay there as my hotel is there, i'm looking forward to the trip a ton. London is a nice city. I'll keep an eye out for these landmarks on my trip.
Interesting. My father was in the MET and worked throughout London. I recall Lemon Street as opposed to Leeman Street (Lemen Street
) :-)
There's another old hydraulic power station on Wapping Wall near Shadwell Basin. I noticed the inscription 'The London Hydraulic Power Company' when wandering around the area. I was intrigued to learn how many things used hydraulic power for machinery. Not just dockside warehouses but hotel lifts, theatre machinery and as a backup system for Tower Bridge apparently. Amazingly some of the pipe network was still in use up to 1977.
I believe the pipework system - which was extensive - was bought by a communications company who have blown fibre optic cables into much of it. It enable a rapid deployment of fibre to those buildings still connected to the network.
@@barrieshepherd7694The company was Mercury, who operated within London. They merged with the mobile operator One2One, which became the UK part of TMobile, which merged with Orange UK to form what is now EE. It's a bit like how small railway companies used to coalesce into big ones.
@@barrieshepherd7694Mercury, part of Cable & Wireless. Around the mid 1980’s. The rest of their network was laid alongside rail lines in, initially a figure of eight backbone, connecting to Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham? and Bristol? From there they served the surroundings via local fibre or microwave link.
@@MartinE63 I think Cable and Wireless (Mercury) took the LHC pipes over from a smaller carrier who saw the opportunity to 'make a mint'. Certainly I know about the Mercury Rail based network - I was in that industry at the time - while it was a revenue earner for BR overall it was in places a nightmare for the railway comms people where cable routes and equipment rooms had to be shared / separated. And power supplies messed around with. The other difficulty was when things went wrong on the railway and cables got damaged - Mercury KPI's were such that repair teams often had to address Mercury comms cables before railway cables!. After the initial rush to get the Mercury 8 up and running I think they moved onto trenching cables alongside the canals as the Waterway's Board offered better wayleave costs than BR did and H&S made track access a continuing difficulty.
Jago 1842 -1848 is 6 years not eight? However I find your enthusiasm for London's Underground (and all things trains) catching. I had no interest until finding your channel, but now look out for all your videos. Keep up the good work.
1842-1848 is six years, which is equivalent to a 15-storey building.
@@michaelocyoung Five and a couple of days, if you start on 31 December 1842 and end on 1 January 1848
@@michaelocyoungLOL
@@michaelocyoungI only work in London Buses and areas the size of Wales.
I often wonder what remains behind a bricked up entrance. Were they all filled in with demolition brick or left open with some sort of historic remains like a sign or a ticket booth, never to be seen again!
Well, the old Dewsbury Central was semi-bricked up for a few years - about 20 - then it was uncovered before the Dewsbury ring road works for a while, then bricked up again. The 11 to 12 year old me was very curious as to what it looked like.
Pigeons. I bet it contains pigeons
Thank you. I'm a big fan of the area living in St Katherine Docks and working on and off in the surroundings for years. I especially like the bad lands.
Would be interesting to see a video about the London Hydraulic network, pump houses, accumulators and cranes. I think there are still accumulators at tower bridge?
Yes! Closest thing I know of today is a facility which produces heated and chilled water for heating and cooling nearby buildings. It originally served the many temporary structures of a World's Fair. Much more efficient than lots of small, noisy units.
The allure of abandoned stations got me here; I stuck around to listen to Jago argue with himself. 😊
Very cool! I was just around that area a few months ago and walked around many of those same streets!
I heard Leman Street and instantly thought "Jack the Ripper" (the Leman Street police station being where inspector Reid was based). Did you ever do a video about those events and their connections with transport infrastructure?
Someone really needs to publish a map of all these gone stations, because it would make a great, if railway nerd tourist tour.
There is a book you can get of maps showing, what got bombed during WW2 and that could be used as the basis for another nerdish tourist tour.
The disused part of Charing Cross Station is actually now an emergency halt. I was once dumped there, when the lower half of the Jubilee Line was out of order.
For many years before it was demolished for being unsafe, a piece of bombed bridge leading up to the high level goods line, near Hammersmith on the Piccadilly Line.
There's still a bit of stranded, unconnected, high level trackway behind King's Mall in Hammersmith, leading towards the rear of Marquis House on Beadon Road. It's visible from Piccadilly Line trains.
There's always railmaponline. Just turn on the "stations" layer. But if you use a desktop computer you'll need a long extension cable.
How so, @@kgbgb3663? Are you suggesting that people might want to view RailaMpOnline in the loo or in the cupboard under the stairs?
The London railway atlas is extremely useful to find all the abandoned stations. I had my copy open as Jago was narrating this video.
Very good - thanks for sharing Jago 🙂🚂🚂🚂
@0:28, I've made the pilgrimage to Cannon Street Road on one of my many forays to find things that should exist, but in reality don't, and wished there was a DLR station.
Nice shot of the City of London boundary marker, the Griffin.
Though many references call these statues griffins, they are in fact dragons. A griffin has the head and wings of an eagle and the body of a lion, whereas a dragon is a dragon.
@@ianthomson9363 thank you. I've always known them as the Griffins. I'm 63 now so its years of ignorance.
@@user-xh3lz9xt4l I didn't find out until I was 60ish too.
It occurred to me that you could do walking tours around London showing us where all the old stations used to be. Or perhaps you do.
Seriously good suggestion for when Jago is ready to give up his day job.
Lovely video. Memories of time spent with my great aunt who lived in that very area centuries ago
Another fab video, love knowing about these abandoned stations! So many!
Mr Hazzard! Mr Hazzard! You still haven't answered the mystery of what the origins are of the grotty KFC that's underground right next to The Tower proper!! I live in NZ but every time I go to London I visit that KFC because I went there with my mum when I was a child. I go there and with a tear in my eye order a 3 piece quarter pack with chips and gravy. (sigh).
I'm absolutely certain that it used to be an Underground station, and I'd really really love to know.
Looks like one, Doesn't?
It seems that it's the basement of a printing works that was bombed in WW2 and later demolished.
It should be renamed Kiwi Fried Chicken.😊
The shelter you refer to which was known as the Tilbury , was popular though it later became ‘run’ by those who were part of the local communist party . There were complaints that it was sometimes full of fleas .
I normally have adblock on but I'll watch ads just for you, you deserve it
Wow! I knew Mark Lane and Tower but the others are all new to me. I used to work in Leman Street but never knew there was a station here.
Suggestion: The new poster gallery at the London Transport Museum? If they let you shoot video - if not just tell them you are Frank Pick.
As a non Londoner, may I ask why it's called "Cannon Street Road"? It seems redundant. Is it a road that leads towards a street?
There is a technical difference between a road and a street - a road is for transportation whereas a street is for human interaction - i think a road can be a street but a street can't be a road, or something. (Watling Street excepted)
@@michaelocyoung That's why there are no roads in the City of London.
Streets, Lanes, Courts, Mews, Circuses and even an Axe... @@andyalder7910
Athough there is now--part of Goswell Road is in the City, due to a boundary change!
I used to live there! And I often wondered about the bricked-up doorways under the DLR in Cannon Street Road. Now I know. Thank you!
A complicated history in that area of public transport - would love to see behind those bricked up doors!
Another well researched and entertaining video
The overhead wires that goes from Fenchurch Street towards West Ham and onwards is what Network Rail needs replacing. But I have been to those areas in East London that has such great history as well as The Docklands and Canary Wharf.
At this point i feel like if all these old abandoned stations and lines were rebuilt/reopened along with todays network they would pretty much all join up into one giant station that would cover the whole of London 😂
Always wondered about those but had abandoned the idea of investigating - thanks for the video
Back in the day, the District Railway ran to Windsor - giving a direct line from Palatial Castle to royal prison (the ultimate trick or treat)... 😮
My great-grandparents ran a pub in Cannon Street road towards the end of the Victorian era, they may have known the station! As far as we have been able to trace it, it would have been about where the balloon arch is at 0:48.
There's so many layers of history and industrial archaeology and so much is lost when you'd imagine that record keeping would suffice. At extreme living memory when the memories of last century's grandparents were passed on; so much had been happening so fast, that the only accurate records seem to be the memories of those that were there. They who maybe had no idea of the bigger picture beyond their daily lives: there would be no collation or corroboration.
Stories, anecdotes and incidentals down the pub.
Except
here's as good a source as any.
In fairness to the London and Blackwall, the houses around Cannon Street Road were intended as slightly genteel for the clerks of the city ( but see also the demolition and timing thereof of the houses "live/work" units that were at Liverpool Street for displaced persons having to move further out) - though again some were live/work (eg top floor weaving or other cloth work) requiring access to the Middlesex Street market area. However as upmarket housing it was soon overtaken by the tram connected Victoria Park area (though even that never caught on compared to Mayfair/Belgravia, or even for its time Kennington ( to be served by the City and South London ).
Great vid, but you missed 'East Smithfield Goods' - I've sent you a message via reddit with loads of links and a couple of suggestions.
BTW I saw the block of flats in Mansell Street where I live when you talked about Haydon Street Goods Depot.
Thanks for all the work you do on the vids
What was the entrance to the northern end of the Tower Subway, the world's first deep level tube line that ran under the Thames to where City Hall is now, is right by the current Tower Hill Station.
Another great video. Thank you Mr Hazard
Thank you, I worked for about a year around there something like five years ago and knew pretty much none of this
Its quite shocking how much of London's industrial history has been erased...but money talks....
Brilliant video sir, how about for a future one, the stations of Shoreditch?
Mark Lane station is still there, or at least the platforms are. If you look carefully, just west if Tower Hill, you'll see it. (You need to cup your hands round your eyes and press your face against the window to cut out the reflections of the inside of the carriage, so probably best done at a quieter time of day!)
This would be easier if we had opening windows.
Given the previous melee regarding the pronunciation of “Minories”, I snorted when Jago said it somewhat forcefully in the narration.
There's a building clearly surviving from the old goods depot in Hooper St E1....it also looks like a pump-house.
As a commuter around that area, we need Leman street station back again, if Tower Gateway becomes the next abandoned station...
If Seal O Green gives you a Seal of Approval, you can make a series out of abandoned stations.
Because of the squabbling between the two railway companies completing the building of and operation of the Inner Circle, as it was called years ago, was required by law. However that law has now been repealed, as otherwise the present-day non-circular service would be illegal!
I love abandoned stations!
Series in the offering woukd be great Jago....great content
I used to live next to Leman St and always wondered if that archway was an old station or maintenance door.
And at some point in the future Towet Gateway might also become an abandoned station.
Shepherd's Bush is calling to be in episode two of this new series.
you could almost mistake that opening shot for a Montreal Metro station
So much to miss living in London
So the Metropolitan Line completed their northern part of the proposed Circle Line, but they were left waiting for the Metropolitan and District Line to get with it and finish their southern half. In that case, I winder if the Met. could have just called their bit the Semi Circle Line?
More of these abandoned Station videos please. I live right on the location where Victoria Park station used to be …. Plenty of disused lines around East London for you film ….
Stay warm in that railway arch.
Have a look at the snugs and backrooms at the Minories pub. Nice original fabric.
Happy Sunday from Norwich ☀️
So, are the number of abandoned stations here a result of the dock traffic and the number of competing railway companies in a confined, or are there other parts of London with a greater number of abandoned stations in such a small area? 🤔
Minories is a decent pub, been there a couple times and they have good grub there too.
1848 and we were ALREADY closing down stations, its quite incredible when you think about it, 1848..... That's likely about the same time when Beeching and Marple's grandparents were *born*
How wonderful it would be to prepare a tube map of all the closed tube stations. Wonderful but quite useless!
There is a line diagram ( geographic ) showing all lines , date of building and all stations open dates / closed dates / built dates if never opened.
Thankyou. Just goes to show that everything old is new again@@highpath4776
Thanks again John in Chicago
I've stayed in that Travelodge when working in London.
Unusual to see Cannon Street Road - Cannon Street or Cannon Road - but not the two together!
And there's also the really old thing that ran under the river.
It is sad to see and know about all these abandoned stations, buildings demolished and not valorised, a piece of history is destroyed very easily, some stations have been lucky enough to become points of historical tourist attraction, others monuments such as Bethnal Green, for I once lived in Roman Rd near Balham station, historical monuments to remember, Chamber St, Royal Mint St, will it be a historical monument? Mansell St billboards tell its story, The Vison, A Rich History 1812/2022. Thank you very much.
It would be nice to have some photos, some historical references.
I loved seeing Stuart Broad take a wicket! 5:13
Always wondered what the old platforms were just as you leave / enter Liverpool street?
If you mean on the right just after you leave Liverpool Street, it's the former Shoreditch station on the original East London line.
@@peterdean8009 If you look to your left aswell there are old platforms etc, also on the right going up the gradient there are some bridges that look like they held tracks at one point?
Not what others have said. It's the former Bishopsgate station: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishopsgate_railway_station. Former goods depot above, awaiting redevelopment.
Thank you for your videos sir. You are the strange hyper fixation to my ADHD
Very interesting thankyou!
An occasional series that isn't a series .👍