Expert AI vs Vanilla | HOI4 Double Timelapse
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In this double timelapse, we see the difference between EXPERT AI and Base Game Vanilla AI to see which will do better in their games. Both games are set to historical and I do not intervene in the game. Both timelapses have been synced up with each other and ends at the same time.
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Soviet AI in expert not only hold against the Germans really good but also have to deal with a Finland as well.
Only thing I'm surprised by is no communist germany given the Soviets took 90% of it
well they still got it and other half of the europe at the end anyway@@CafeLiquerstreams
Funny how some italian forces came to help the finnish forces in Finland, but not german forces came help at all.
Expert AI looking the best imo, closest to history. Although, Finland dying to naval invasion not the greatest, not sure if that would happen every game.
I could swear the Germans got further than that historically.
If the Soviets managed to keep Estonia, that would probably have given their pretty large fleet and naval air forces a decent harbor away from German attacks and thus prevent the Germans from even entering the Gulf of Finland.
And the Soviet Navy, although not on the scale of major powers and divided amongst two seas, was quite formidable and competitive.
Ahem Western Allies
@@MrDalek2150 they most definitely did. They thrusted towards Moscow very early on in the war, same with Leningrad and the siege there. Obviously the fight for Moscow was a Soviet victory, and so the Germans tried to lunge for Stalingrad and the Caucasus
How is Germans still having aa front in North Africa while Italy hasnt collapsed more historical ?
The USSR is such a Giga-Chad on expert AI that the Allies were afraid to carry out operation "Unthinkable".
Overpowered giga-chad.
Vanilla: allied victory. expert ai: comintern victory.
soviet union in expert ai mad crazy
closest to history
@@ahhlewis_timelapses
why is soviet AI competent only on expert difficulty? I never understood how a 'power with cheap infantry, no air force and no navy could be a real challenger to Germany.
@@JosipBrozTITO8489 because I believe there is basically a wall of infantry equipped with aa, anti tank and stuff and after awhile they are start mass producing aircrafts with the massive industry they built over 8 years
@@JosipBrozTITO8489 because for some reason paradox made it so that the Soviet AI is extremely agressive and attacks everytime, losing all entrenchment, org and equipment, making it really easy to push them.
expert ai makes it so that the AI attacks less in those situations, making it more realistic
The USSR in expert AI is amazing
Probably because the USSR made the most mistakes, purging generals, not adaquetly training military, etc. The expert AI just fixed the same percentage of mistakes equally, it's just the soviets made the most. I think not %100 so please do not quote me on that
@@bubbatools6701 парень, и без чисток Красная Армия была слабой. До вступления во Вторую Мировую войну СССР отправлял небольшие добровольческие силы Испании в её Гражданской войне 1936-1939, Китаю во Второй Сино-Японской войне 1937-1945, участвовал в пограничных конфликтах с соседями, в особенности, с Японией, прошёлся по Восточной Польше без особого сопротивления, ибо к 17 сентября польская государственность уже исчезла, вся власть и верхушка сбежали, то есть армия сражалась неорганизованно, участвовал в Зимней войне 1939-1940, исключительно наступая в ужасных для атаки условиях. У СССР, по сути, не было военного опыта абсолютно никакого. Ни один из его оппонентов не был схож на Рейх, обладающего самой сильной сухопутной армией в мире, третьей промышленностью мира и второй Европы, захватившей почти всю Европу
@@becalelbecalelew7262 In addition to experience, the Axis powers simply had more troops in the beginning than the Soviet Union. I believe they had around 1.5 times as many troops.
@@Nn-3 почти верно. Один лишь Рейх подготовил 3,5 миллионов солдат, а его союзники ещё 700-800 тысяч солдат. В свою очередь СССР на всех фронтах с ними имел менее 3 миллионов солдат, а во всех военных округах 3-4 миллиона
@@bubbatools6701the purges are a scripted event if you go historical so expert ai cant really do anything about them.
The most historical GPW version is usually Expert AI: Favor Germany + 2-3 levels buffed USSR or Expert AI: Favor USSR + 1-2 lvl buffed Germany and USA
@domenicopezzullo514 mostly rng, again, the only possible thing is to play around with buffs, you may also try expert ai
what do you mean favor ? and what are 2-3 level buffed? How do i do this?
@@gaming-gingerbreadman check the expert ai mod - there are preferences in it
@@gaming-gingerbreadman and you can buff certain nations in vanilla through game presets
the expert ai just done what churcill called "the unthinkable operation" thats what irl wouldve have happen
Yeah, allies got their shit pushed in immediately.
@TRWhyped 🤓☝
Both AI scenarios had an Allies-Comintern endgame: Vanilla Allies were already at war with Comintern by the end of the European conflict because of Turkey's stupid focus tree.
@@uploadingroblox1993he’s not a nerd, you’re just stupid
There was somewhere around 12million men in the soviet army by the time they reached Berlin. I don't think the allies could handle such numbers had they fought immediately after the war.
I play as british malaya and manage to revive majapahit but the japanese ai is so hard to beat in this mod lol and playing germany against the soviet is truly hard ..im stuck in the near oil region which is mountainous with my heavy tank and i cant event push the soviet lol😅
The German problem, as predicted by Paulus and other staff officers who did some war games to test how the invasion of the soviet union would go, with barbarossa and fall blau was they got up to several hundred miles in, right past the range of their supply vehicles (with barbarossa it was right past the point where they had to change gauge on their rail cars at minsk), and then the offensive would stall out due to lack of supplies and they would have to dig in, giving the red army plenty of time to recover and figure out how to counter their tactics. The axis were banking on a rapid victory so they didn't have to fight a war of attrition, which they would lose in long term.
@@spaffyjimble2317 the problem was trifactoral: 1 Soviet lend-lease receiving
2 Germany's insufficient motorization and production shift war oriented earlier
3 Japanese No Aggression treaty
Three more to consider:
Italy's Greek blunder
Failure to capture Malta, Gibraltar, Cyprus and Suez (Failed NA Campaign)
Spain and possibly Turkiye's Neutrality not violated through more underhanded and aggressive diplo/power play.
Normal AI = buff allies. Expert AI = buff soviets
The Soviet Union is better with the Expert Ai that's clear and overpowered as well . I think that's the only explanation to see the Soviets lose everytime agaisnt the Allies , they have a chance to compete agaisnt the Allies .
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This has to be one of best hoi4 double time lapse!!!🔥
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Bruh what happened to allies in expert AI
the ai gets better at handling naval invasions, a lot of their divisions died that way, ussr did a lot more defending, and from my experience makes insane tank divisions on expert
Way less divisions going west-east in expert ai! Love it
Its weird how in almost all my matches, axis completely stomps the african front yet the USSR basically halts the entire axis with minimal effort. I would've thought it would be the opposite. Yet it sure is incredibly satisfying declaring war on the axis and cutting them in half through Ethiopia. The encirclements are heavenly.
In my Games is the opposite. Germany just throw millions of manpower and overtake ussr. In vanilla what is impressive
I noticed that since NSB the Soviet AI always seems to have the problem of being broken in the centre of the front, and then overextending themselves as they hold large number of troops in the baltics and Caucasus while the Germans penetrate even deeper. I think it is a problem with the Soviet AI not understanding where it's railways are and how to hold them.
I find it something how no matter which version of AI used, and whatever historical mode chosen, there is some sort of mandatory requirement that the Axis loses.
We need more!
One sample doesn't do everyone justice
The USSR got buffed up in the expert ai one
I think it doesn't make good decisions until Germany pushes to a certain point
Turkish defense was amazing ngl
You should do Vanilla vs Total War mod timelapse, as that one aims for a lot of historical accuracy compared to Vanilla, and makes things interesting.
I feel like Expert AI has more of an FPS problem though
Expexted something realistic and historic from expert AI
Once you get used to playing on impossible expert ai you just cant go back to vanilla, feels like god mode. I wish pdx incorporated some of the tweeks to improve the ai's behaiviour
They will do that in HOI5 and call it a day.
@ Don't forget, they'll find mod ideas and incorporate them into the game and charge you money for it. Preferably, they'll do it while making the textures worse than the mod and banning the original at the same time.
Gotta love good ole pdx.
Expert AI is looking best because from the beginning to the end of the history it is normal that the ai choosed that way to replay the real history.
but the Vanilla ai is called the dreamland ai because this ai is not bound to the real history it is set to write his own story but this is important too so it shows us a different way the "what happend if" way.
is no one gonna talk about how Norway lasted for years against germany
Expert AI sucks at invading Norway for some reason
So, accurate IA only stop in 1945, but the 2 others are a bit more aggressive. Vanilla started another big one the earliest of the 2, expert had a short break before it happened.
Only accurate wouldn't do that.
Really like how Expert AI tends to play out. Eastern Front tends to hold a bit too well and Axis does stupidly well in Africa, possibly why D-Days etc come late because they can't invade through Mediterranean - Generally though it's a lot more satisfying not just seeing the AI throw its troops away in Stupid attacks...
Lack of Comintern-Allies War is always nice too. It really annoys me to see that war especially whilst the Axis still exists. Afterwards I'd never play because late game lag but it's fun conceptually.
The soviets especially once Germany declared war on them were severely lacking in all resources and were dependent on the US until late 43 to late 44 even sending over engineers, plant managers, and other types of construction managers to assist with building their infrastructure. If we look at how much money in total we gave to them it was around $12 billion with all resources, money, and equipment that would equate to roughly $185 billion dollars in todays money. Which was about 75% of its total GDP in 1941. So realistically with how the lend leases work in the game we can't fully reenact the scenario, and I believe that people look to in-depth on how OP the soviet Union should be instead of looking at the realistic side of having zero support from the allies would have immediately shown how bad of a place they were really in.
@@Thebaconmurderer Lend lease accounted for about 4% of total Soviet defence expenditure in 1941-45, don't flatter yourself.
The amount of unit shuffling...
vanilla Greece: hold my beer
you know its bad when the axis color turns blue
The expert ai just looks like historical germany
Пов- советский блицкриг в конце
Мод опять починил что-то (ИИ СССР) что не смогли починить разработчики на протяжении нескольких лет? Я не удивлён
Tbf I don’t think I’ve ever seen a German ai win a scenario ever
the vanilla ussr capital moved to talinn, estonia??
You guys made a coalition but don’t like each others channels directly in the description?
because we have a discord for that
@@ahhlewis_timelapses what if I don’t use discord
@@Link9058 then you can search the names of the coalition members on yt since the names are at the beginning of the video
Expert AI declaring war on USSR in November winter 🤣🤣🤣
Vanilla looks like Good Ending but right.. oh
it kinda shows not that much) would be cool too see a double timelapse of for example expert ai axis vs vanilla allies and vanilla axis vs vanilla allies to see the difference
im afraid its not possible to to do that since its either both sides are expert ai or none at all, i could redo this but with stats so you can see the army size and industry of both sides if you want?
@@ahhlewis_timelapses yeah, i understand it's not possible without some special tools requiring modder help maybe idk, sad=( it's not really about army sizes only, would be interesting if it really can use them to gain enough advantage to win ww2 coz vanilla is always losing=)
@@Divannyi.Critic i can also show stuff like, casualties, airforce, navy, equipment deficit %
The Vanilla AI was just Churchill playing. Dude wanted all that smoke from the USSR.
I guess This is historical way what happening if we take video like this but non historical
*Germany and ussr fighting*
Turkey: 🗿☕
Greece holding out like a champion
Italy in the modded version:🗿
So Vichy France isn’t apart of the axis?
nope, its usually a neutral state until its attacked by the allies later on.
Better timeline, glorious communist victory in expert.
Kinda disappointed that the casualties weren't showed at the end for both vanilla and expert.
sorry, its hard to do because when a war ends, the casualties disappear and its not really possible to get them back.
Don't you have autosaves?@@ahhlewis_timelapses
@@nicowarsblank1592 i do but only at the end of the game, every new auto save overlaps the old one
damn@@ahhlewis_timelapses
Is there a reason for the Allies being monsters in vanilla and USSR being dominate in expert? Both kicked off operation unthinkable with very different results.
I think its because the USSR in expert ai is alot stronger then vanilla just because of what strategy it uses
@@ahhlewis_timelapses are the allies using a worse strategy or is the axis just better at repelling naval invasions?
the allies will be using a better one then their vanilla counterpart but german ai would be better prepared to fend off naval invasions probably because more garrisons
Vanilla was quite an interesting war.
British Empire was definitely interested in world domination.
Expert AI attacking the soviets in November -_-
What mods do you use for the timelapse videos?
Timelapse Overhaul 1.12
Why did jit end the video there 😭😭😭😭😭
I'm evil
If you want the most realistic WW2 simulation in general it's Darkest Hour a HOI Game, based on HOI2. The Germans will invade Russia but actually take a lot of ground. However, they usually don't win, and russia slowly pushes them out. Whereas in Hoi4 it doesn't seem to work like this usually.
Il try it out
it doesn't matter how expert you make the AI, italy will always end up being a dead weight.
actually i have a timelapse coming up where italy joins the allies and it shows germany being crushed
@@ahhlewis_timelapses damn, guess i got caught lacking
I love how expert ai is nearly "biblically accurate."
Turkey and Switzerland:🍿
Turkiye caught between two alliances: Holy shit.
Ссср в эксперт аи просто уничтожает
hahaha, from about 1944, on the left you can see how European countries saw the Second World War, and on the right how it was
Double Hoi4 for my double autism.
expert ai italy is actually competent lmao
I though it's an individual country, which would've been more interesting, not all of them.
Well,I think in this game Axis doesn’t have any chance to win because the Uk always block the way for Axis to victory
Expert AI it will be more historical
Duc's mistake was to attack the Soviet Union. If he stood still without being greedy, no one would dare to attack you, because you were too stupid to imagine your strength and receive a bitter end 😂
Basicly Expert Ai= Super Soviet Union
I don't get why so many people here assume that Expert AI is better because it follows history better; that is totally irrelevant lol
Which side is which??!
It says it
Allies dream vs soviet unions dream
还原历史的ai最好，德国能打到莫斯科和斯大林格勒，列宁格勒，一定几率击败苏联，苏联也应该加强，原版苏联根本不是德国人的对手
It's pretty definitive, Vanilla AI was doing a heck of a lot better than the "Expert" AI
depends how you look at it
Expert AI consumes way too much resources from your PC
Thats just because the AI has alot more ships, planes, divisions and factories and stuff
expert ia is more historically
EAI builds Soviet Union much better. In vanilla it has a lot less factories and less effective industry.
How to play this mod
Search Expert AI on the workshop
@@ahhlewis_timelapses ok,thanks you
what is it expert ai
Hearts of Iron IV which improves the AI in certain ways
ESTONIA STRONK!!!
Expert AI timelapse stopped at the most interesting point
The only thing that occurred after was France fell then a lasting stalemate, I stopped it there because I wanted to keep both exactly in sync
Vanilla AI: 🤡
Expert AI: 💪
Bruh, what’s wrong with vanilla AI?
Everything
@@ahhlewis_timelapses 💀
I fell like germany is just set up to lose. They go up against the allies and soviets at the same time which means a lot of troops are forced to stay in reserve or guarding borders/coasts. If they could get the japaneese to join axis maybe theyd have a chance as they could tie up the soviets on the easy long enough to rush moscow and the major cities and knock them out of the war. But as we all know the japaneese always make their own faction (co prosperity sphere) and leave the soviets while having to fight off the allies and Chinese. Now see if japan ignored china and focuses on the soviets with germany for a quick knockout they could than focus on their own targets. Germany going after europe and japan after china and the resources in siam/indonesia.
Expert AI is actually historical. The German Reich attacks Denmark first - The Phoney War. After the collapse of Denmark Germany goes around the maginot and attacks benelux
Until it comes to Barbarossa where it shits the bed in accuracy.
@@fen3311 then it decideds that tanks are not required in Barbarossa so the AI just moves the armor :)))
Finland never became an axis member but did side with Germany to take the land back that The USSR took from them
They join the AXIS in game just because it allows Germany to aid them easier but they don't join the allied war and peace out when Soviet Union pushes them back
It's a fcking game 😂😂
@@ahhlewis_timelapses oh ok
И тем не менее союзником Германии была и Лененград морила голодом с немцами.
@@soberman1520what are u on?
vanilla is better😌
Почему?
Vanilla boost allise
so you are comparing expert ai agaisnt expert ai
Expert AI is stronger then vanilla
🇹🇷🍿🍿☕
Vanilla: the good ending
Expert ai is way too expert
In fact that mod exactly not improve ai in any way. It is the same dumb ai, but with better “tools”. Just read mod description on steam
Paradox really hate russia
fr, they are so weak in the game, in every normal timelapse, they are always crushed by the axis or by the allies.
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wtf vanilla ai is better
both are sad
USSR prob should be nerfed in Expert AI.
Irl it was kinda like that: USA wasn't very good at fighting but ok, but had insane economy, prob more powerful than both USSR and Germany combined and militarized it right away in late 1941-early 1942. Germany was very good at fighting, but militarized economy only in the second half of 1942-early1943. USSR had the same economy as Germany, but militarized it in 1941; was very bad at fighting, lost insane amount of forces, but was able to push due to US and UK help(lend lease, bombings, southern and western fronts)
They don't receive any buffs in this timelpase, they are just given proper instructions to maximize their country
Bro tried to say the USSR was bad at fighting 💀 as if the years 1943 to 1945 just don't exist
@@datdude119 in 1943 Soviet losses were mostly higher than German ones, despite Soviet union having more tanks, fighters and troops. Even in 1945 in some operations its losses were higher, even though Germany had to use green volksturm troops, and barely had any operational fighters or tanks
@@jimmcneal5292 Entirely missed the point. They still beat the Germans on the eastern front, didn't they? Wouldn't call that "very bad" at "fighting".
@@datdude119 beating someone by having huge numerical and equipment advantage while having more losses is literally included in definition of "fighting bad". If it wasn't for late German industrialization, help of allies and higher population Soviet union would have never won.
It's like defeating in a street fight someone who is smaller, has a damaged hand and at the same time is being attacked by two other guys, all while receiving more fractures during the fight.
Both poor and unbalanced ;(
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