Peter Pan and the Need for Individuality
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10 years ago, Peterson was just some professor in some department of some university. Imagine walking into just another college class and finding this genius.
I don't know if it's true, but I've heard that he was a known figure within Canada. I'm not sure how widely, but I'm glad that his teachings grew have a wider audience.
Speaks very poorly of the universities that they are unable to recognise, promote and reward talent, but instead choose to punish it. Students like us can intuitively identify talent, the problem is that when we see it being unrewarded and punished it makes us fearful to be ourselves, to try to excel or to risk coming up with anything original. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a major cause of the lack of meaning crisis and the resulting mental health crisis.
It’s like the reverse Good Will Hunting story.
A collective of students (both online and irl) who requested more of this genius.
I wish I was one of his students
Back then.
I would have been first in the classes waiting for him to arrive and last to leave his classes,
@Harvey yes mate. I feel like I have to write within certain constraints because the professors are ideologically tilted
This was Windy's last night in the Nursery. She was growing up ...
Excellent comment
I would love to hear JBP interpretation of Peter Pan's Shadow in the story, it seems to have a deep psychological meaning
I'll post a video that incorporates JBP answering a question that may pique your interest. The poster linked clips from the sci fi film Annihilation with a "character" similar to Pan's shadow (although pans shadow incorporates more good, one film being Disney and the other a horror film). Both of these character's mimic the main character which JBP touches on while describing Carl Jung's idea of the ego collapsing into the archetypal self. czcams.com/video/M8Mp9xEmH5U/video.html
I imagine that it may be the fact that Peter Pan is a boy that won’t grow up, so hasn’t fully integrated his shadow in the jungian sense.
@@tobymichael3878 yup, I think so too, it's so smart and beautifully represented
@@InsanitysApex I knew the clip but not the movie, for sure gonna give it a check. Thank you!
@@tobymichael3878 Ooh
I absolutely love these lectures and him talking about archetypes and all that. I learn so much from them
Peterson is a rare gem
Should be protected at all cost 😩
He's not a national treasure though, I mean really what an idiotic statement, he's CANADIAN.
I agree 👍💯☺️😊😌
@@WearyNomad
Your problem is assimilation
@@WearyNomad In many ways he's more American than he is Canadian.
"Protected at all costs"? Oh, my! From what, exactly? Lynch mobs? From critiques? From paranoia?
I witnessed the 'Peter Pan' delusion in full force over the weekend.
I had to drive through some newer suburbs along the edge of a major city, and it was alarming. Thousands of brand new homes, all punched out like a cookie cutter, in picture-perfect manicured suburbs devoid of vibracy or meaning. The 'green open spaces' which are normally required by law, empty and devoid of any kind of life or activity (people, birds, butterflies, dogs running around, etc.). These places are my idea of hell. Why is that? These master planned suburbs are driven solely by greed from government and developers, the home buyers there are driven by greed, when their lives fall apart because they have no meaning, they will turn to drugs because of greed, and the drug dealers will move in and happily sell them whatever drug they like, because they also are driven by greed. It's just a slow moving train wreck, right before my eyes. The sadness and misery that will come out of these places over the next 30 years will be horrible to watch.
EDIT: What am I trying to say? You can't go to the bank and borrow money to try and 'buy' your ideal life. These people are like toddlers playing dress ups with adult clothes. They just hope to one day fit into this 'dream lifestyle' that's been sold to them, and many won't. You have to somehow create your own life - don't buy it off the rack.
This is a great viewpoint.
The man is a poet. truly. bars every time
It’s interesting to re analyze Peter Pan as a young adult because I LOVED Peter Pan as a child and looking back it makes perfect sense
I would be interested to see how he would bring in the movie "Hook" with Robbin Williams, since Peter Pan does choose Wendy and does grow up, but forgets his youth.
He doesn’t choose Wendy in Robin Williams version. He marries Wendys grand daughter
He finally chooses to grow up and married Wendy’s grandaughter
He does bring up a very interest dichotomy about how once we grow up and find who we are we rediscover the child within which is Karl Jung (spelling?) anyways interesting stuff
Who else loves it when he talks about this subject? There’s a lot of us men who have been infantilized but I know there’s a chance for all of us.
So happy I got to see him live
I also thought Pan stayed young to not get corrupted by adults and therefore abandoning his true self becoming one too, he didn't want to loose his genuinity
We as a gen are extremely lucky to have him.
Magic word in the field of Psychology: Projection; then there are the people who use you like a punching bag.
.. the answer is moral responsibility.
I would love to see some WW1/WW2 era war art applied to current conflicts.
You've got this.
Same with Alice in Wonderland, she was invited to the Ladies tea party ...
I don't get what you mean
(9:30:) germans are good at order and order is associated with disgust sensitivity." Most our whites are noted to be of German dissent in usa. This makes a lot of sense to me within my own judgemental German descended family. They are a family of individuals, not so much a unit, each seeking disgust in their other, maybe. These might be our American "whites."
I can't condemn any ppl; we are all extremes of each other -- extra helpful angled mirrors, to see the rest of ourselves, except we've become, perhaps, a tree that hates its own branches.
Captain Hook is also played by Mr Darling
I wanted to hear the whole thing
What is so interesting is Dr. Peterson talking about a animated Disney movie character. Though I have on a few occasions been involved in a conversation about what Disney movie or character is a favorite or one that is relatable. Kind of sounds silly for adults to talk about, but these childhood movies are part of our psyche. Yes? Women in the conversation talked about Cinderella, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty. In Peter Pan we have Peter, Wendy, Tinkerbell. I always said the Peter Pan movie was my favorite so it was interesting to hear Dr. Peterson speak of the characters, though I would have liked to hear more.
Do you reckon those students sensed there was something special about their professor? Watching the video now, we see the man before the events that came and changed everything soon after, and I don't think he realised how much his ideas would connect with people, even if he was already very sure of the overall philosophy. There is definately a little uncertainty in his voice; He wasn't at all certain about his ability to communicate his message. Watching this video is like bearing witness to [part of] the birth of a human phenomenon
To invoke "disgust" or disrespect toward other human beings is the goal of 'the tyrant'. Such a lowly goal.
True. But also a bit unavoidable. (For example your comment provokes at least mild disgust towards Peterson's point.)
@@tonygoodkind7858 I appreciate his point; I'm disgusted only that one might intend to invoke disgust in others (if that's what you mean).
Can you post the full video link
He’s part of daily wire now so that’s where you’ll find the rest of the video
Full video?
There is more to life than rolling your eyes back. To quote Ajahn Brahm, who as a Buddhist monk for 30+ years and has denominations of multiple faith in his monastary communicating from the heart. But that relies on the telescope being inverted.
The AI that autogenerated the random comment above needs work.
@@tonygoodkind7858 In terms of Grammer? Maybe I should buy your hero's new editing software. I use Grammarly. It is free.
@@geoffreydawson5430 In terms of a coherent thought where the sentences seem to relate to the vid you commented on. Also did Grammarly seriously not correct "Grammer" (capitalized and "e" instead of a) for you? Seems worth every penny!
@@tonygoodkind7858 Could not care less about a psychology lecture for undergrads. But thanks for your input. Seems your education was just as useless if all you can do is edit words. It is the between of words that matter. Think for yourself.
@@geoffreydawson5430 From my perspective, your poor communication is a blip: I have to suffer it for our brief conversation and that's it. For you, your poor communication means people will fail to understand you for the entire rest of your life. So you're the one with the strong motivation to improve here, not me. But you have to actually want to communicate well. You have to care about truth. (In my experience that's something Peterson's fans struggle with.)
Peter Pan is the GOAT man
I got a challenge for Jordan Peterson. Go in the Bible and study the word🔥 and all the places it brought up. Some for good other's to ever lasting shame and contempt.
❤️❤️
I have to admire the way that Jordan Peterson seeks out all viewpoints, ponders them carefully, then walks away with standard conservative dogma, every time. What a gem, what a genius, what a giant, what a prince of a man, what superb hyperbole!
Has he hit up on the prince of egypt? I'm not even a believer in christianity. But god damn something needs to be said about that movie and its soundtrack
If everyone teaches like him
Pan is the most perfect you can get, thats part of it too.
I don't know how we got from Peter Pan to Hitler so many times in this conversation.
The modern Disney remake of Peter Pan removed almost every single psychologically significant aspect that was mention in this analysis
Yell at the time when God called on Moses he really didn’t wanna go and do it he was older already
What am I supposed to do, I need some $ like yesterday.
Man, if you look hard enough you can find deep meaning in anything 😂
Vaguely true. I'm not sure "find" is the right word. You can _impose meaning_ onto most things just by drawing parallels. In fact if you cite enough outside ideas (like "pan means everything") people will often stop caring whether what you say makes any sense at all (because Peter Pan doesn't represent "everything"; not in the slightest; in fact Peterson's whole point here is that Pan is _just_ the "child" and never moves beyond that; that's explicitly NOT everything).
@@tonygoodkind7858 he just meant taht the Pan etimologically means ALL-everything, not the Peter Pan
@@VigilantGuardian6750 And do you agree that's irrelevant? If you watch a documentary about coffee mugs and they point out that mug is a term we use to describe someone's face, are there meaningful, real insights to be made from a point like that? Or would you agree it's irrelevant nonsense?
@@tonygoodkind7858 He's basically educating people on what Pan means, suggesting why Peter has such name in the first place, that hes a kid that has potential and potential is synonymous with Everything i.e. the meaning of PAN.
So he's also giving insight into why did author even choose to give Peter Pan name in the first place, which is relevant of course, cause it creates an archetype of it's own, an archetype of a young man who doesn't want to grow up and by growing up meaning sacrificing big part of it's potential to become something more narrow and limited i.e. not being PAN anymore.
etc etc
So yes, it's very relevant point he made
@@VigilantGuardian6750 How does that address my point? It's like you're not even reading. If someone is describing a story about coffee mugs, and another person analyzing the story mentions we also use the word "mug" to describe someone's face, _and that has absolutely no relevance to the story at hand,_ well that's what Peterson's doing.
Pan meaning everything is a total non sequitur. Pan's characterization as the eternal child simply has nothing to do with the concept "everything".
Potential isn't synonymous with everything. Potential is just what one might do, which is basically never "everything". Certainly the story of Pan doesn't involve any characters at all whose potential is everything/anything.
Consistently your points make it seem like you don't have the slightest info about the story of Peter Pan. Why blindly defend Peterson if you aren't familiar with the content he's covering (and therefore if he's wrong, which he is, you're in no position to defend him)?
"It's the right story for the modern age."
'Modern' Disney: "Hold my beer."
Look at me I'm Peter Pan
SHAMONE
I'm a little boy forever
HEEEEEEEE
-Michael Jackson
Pan is also the name of a Greek god
Peter pan means the listening bread.
Think was what gave Peter pan the ability to fly and was the original mother of His world.
Wendy only was needed for the embrace of effections towards the lost boys and the proper dispensation of medicine.
The love even passed on to Jane.
Our Heavenly Father Draws out courage. Like in Salvador Dalis painting of Christ over the world. Covered by His crucifixion.
HONOR TO His Father still stands.
He sent Come, per-born in an envelope and said to His Father Paid in Full.
God uses the slaps to the face and delivers the sound of its blow.
(Still watching) just Putting my notes under the professor's word! ❤❤❤
Thank you for your post is always greatly appreciated.
am a little boy forever
Peter Pan and the worship of the woodland goat god Pan via the veneer of children’s stories.
7:38 virgin mother?? So mary?
She's has about 15 different names, but yes, they all refer to Mother Mary.
This had very little to do with Peter Pan. Good message anyways
.. they are now saying that Moses May well have been loaded on DMT when he received the Ten Commandments at the burning bush. The DMT would have come from the local acacia trees.
“They” ….hahaha…yeah, I’m sure Bart Erhman’s next book will be all about how wasted Moses was. Sounds like some cutting edge textual criticism.
@@wickedlee664 .. oops... let me change the word, they, to the word, we. And please look up the definition of e n t h e o g e n i c substance. E n t h e o g e n s are, by far, the most efficacious way to get closer to the divine.
the problem with that is, not everyone was on DMT, even if one person was. Wouldn't really explain how he was actually able to force his will against the strongest monarchy of Egypt. Well, it doesn't really explain a lot of things, but that's one of the things it won't explain.
Why does he look so unbelievably pissed in every thumbnail?
It’s his internalized pain
God gave mankind free will he didn’t give our freedom to Justin Trudeau or Joe Biden or even Donald Trump if God doesn’t own our free world and neither does any mortal man
Powerful words
The analogy of the crocodile of time being chaos doesn't hold. Time is ordely, tick, tick, tick... That's the pressure cooker, ambition, drive, seize it all now for tomorrow may he gone... Hook is at the top of his dominance hierarchy.
Peterpan is the story of the failed masculine, there's no heroin that film. Pan is destined to become Hook, Hook was once Pan. They are both pirates in some sense. Pan is the representation of chaos, never having any direction, playing fantasy games, Hook has purpose and direction, but lack the elan vital of Pan, and isnt the Puer Aerternus, the eternal child that Pan is, so he's the antithesis, the Saturnal Father looking to devour Zues out of fear of his own demise, and of course Saturn is the Lord of Time, and of temptations, you could say he always has a hook by which to snare you, and a lesson to teach.
Hook is the definition of the dark side of ambition, and a manifestation of the Jungian Shadow, whereas Pan hasn't integrated his anima and so is ignorant of Tinkerbell often ignoring what she warns him of, and this lack of integeation of the Shadow on Hooks part is what keeps him fearful of the unknown and lacking the magical vitality of youth. Pan's lack of integration of the anima is what prevents his lack of care for others, and his incapacity to see thathis fantasy lifestyle isn't ulitimately what Wendy or his lost boys (the eternal children) are seeking... Neither Hook nor Pan have reach individuation and neither will. The true polar opposite of the Puer Aerternus is the Senex, the wisened old sage, still lacking in youth, yet still fascinated by life with a complete wisdom to see the perils and pitfalls that the paths of Hook and Pan entail.
Hook is controlled by time, is orderly, is fearful of his own shadow, and seeks eternal youth by unnatural force, not seeing that his transendence resides in the path of the Senex were he to fully integrate his shadow and let go if his grasping.
the problem with National Socialism is not Nationalism, it's the Socialism bit. When Great Britain fought against National Socialism, it did so out of Nationalism. If the Europe wants do destroy the nations its made up from to become One monolithic State, willing and able to crush the individuals therein, then what's so troubling about the EU nations standing up against that? Why refuse to stand up against totalitarianism out of misplaced fear of nationalism?
Literally every conceptual idea you have put forward is so fundamentally flawed/ simplistic I don’t even know how one could possibly go about correcting you. Don’t be afraid of reading books. If you are interested in the emergence of fascism read Hanna Arendt’s The Origins of Totalitarianism.
Cartoons ...
I didnt understand shit when he explained peterpan syndrome
Do you know back then God spoke directly to his people. Did you know that God do not perform any miracles 400 years before Jesus birth??
I think Megan Markel stole your word archetype because this is older right? And she doesn’t have one original thing ever in her life
Sorry, are you saying you think Jordan "Jungian archetype fanboy" Peterson _himself invented archetypes?!_
@@tonygoodkind7858 no I’m saying she watches him and got the word from him.. she did mention him in her podcast recently and not in a good way..
@@hollywiley5668 Well I'm unfamiliar with her criticism, but certainly Peterson advocates many bad ideas that deserve our criticism. I hope her criticisms were valid ones, and helped spread the awareness that Jordan _"fiction isn't false"_ Peterson is someone we should be very careful when we listen to, because any of his points are bad.
(source: JBP Podcast S4:E69)
@@tonygoodkind7858 I like Dr Jordan.. He has good intentions.. Meghan Markle is a nobody you don’t even need to worry about her.. like I said nothing she does is original she’s physically somebody like her cover of vogue that was stolen she doesn’t have an original thought in her head all of Dr. Peterson thoughts are he is original thought..
@@hollywiley5668 Sure, but the problem is many of his original thought are _bad,_ and genuinely deserving of criticism.
Jordan that looks Gross man.....
bruh he looks so tired why dont he do some coke?
Ah so this is one of the lectures, I’ve seen some absolute maniac who has 4 years of videos cutting up your lectures to just be the notsee parts implying your support. Dreadful the depth another soul would spend constructing a strawman.
Dr Jordan that painting is horrible, it belongs in absolutely nobody’s house
I would rather be Peter Pan then a good little capitalist
at least a good little capitalist actualizes, moves stuff around and creates. Pan doesn't. He stays the same forever.
@@jeremiahnoar7504 doesnt matter if he's true to himself
If I had no merit I would hate a system that rewards merit.
@@WeighedWilson Exactly right. I'm gunna have to steal that sometime.
@@Daneiladams555 I know a few active shooters who were true to themselves. I'd hardly call it a moral aim.