Having recently coached my kids through this, I can say that this is true if you don't take advantage of opportunities to earn college credits in high school and don't qualify for scholarships don't work during college don't obtain internship opportunities and don't choose a marketable major. But if you do do those things, college can work out better. However, if your an entrepreneur, then a trade may take you way further than college.
This is it right here. It’s all about getting grants, scholarships, and doing things smartly. I.e. pay rent + utilities + food ~1000/person/month over dorms ($6000 for 3 months) and a meal plan(2-3k) that is overpriced by 100x
Not all universities will accept all of the high school or community College credits. I can tell you in engineering colleges usually want you to take the core classes with them. If you manage to get out of community college with an associates degree then they will accept more of the classes but that usually only translates to 1 year off a full bachelor degree. This may not be worth it if you are out of your community College district and are just going to transfer to a state college. If someone plans on going to a private university then it gets much worse since they don't have to accept and transfer credits at all. Scholarships and grants are good but not always available for various reasosns (small universities tend to have limited connections and funding). To add insult to injury for scholarship some universities require to have a GPA with them before they can offer you a scholarship. You can say well apply to all of those scholarships that are offered out in the wild and open to anyone. You can do that but they tend to be small and very difficult to obtain, especially if you are just starting out since nobody wants to risk their money getting wasted. I almost suspect that most of the scholarships that get advertised as open to anyone are fake and only exist on paper as some sort of tax scam.
@RandomUser_360 it depends on the field of engineering and school you go into. For example if you take a circuits class in high school that's supposed to transfer to a university it may help fill in the requirement for a circuits class in mechanical engineering but it usually won't fill in for a circuits class in electrical engineering. If the high school or community college has worked out an agreement with other universities then the classes will usually transfer fully but most of those agreements are within public state universities and sometimes a local private uni. It's still a good idea to take the classes in high school to try and get a feel for the field. You really don't want to change degrees halfway through college and and up starting over in a new field.
Less people are getting in the trades which means our pays payscale has been steadily going up. I'm 18 years into commercial HVAC, refrigeration, and food service equipment. I'm still usually the youngest guy at the supply house at 35 years old. Less supply with more demand equals higher pay...
Trades bro! What keeps America going. And around the world. Building and fixing, finding solutions. Making lives more comfortable for the ones sitting behind the desk.
Currently a second year dental student (DMD), have already completed a 4-year bachelors degree and have zero debt as of today. Will that change? Probably but these numbers are either averages or assumptions. We all come from different backgrounds/experience.
I did college through byu Idaho, only cost me 2200$ per semester for 8 semesters. I also focused on school and didn’t work, so I got full scholarships for 6 semesters. So tuition only cost me 4400$ for bachelors
Yep, let the masses go to school and support hope and dreams. Been to both, more opportunity in tradework. Yes, I finished my degree, and went back into the field to speak down to all the "educated folk" that think a degree =authority. However, we do need managers to focus on timeliness and make positive relationships to make it all work.
College isnt for everyone. But some people really excel in their fields after college. Same goes for the trades. Trades aren't for everyone. But some people really excel in their chosen trades.
I disagree, I'm a 6mth apprentice and have spent over 600$ in tools only. My Forman trucks has 10k plus in tools. Too top it off we drive to job sites for the first two yrs to job sites that are 60miles radius from our shop. So add maintenance on vechiles. I make 25$ right now but due to raise next month and will be making 28.50. I do detailing to pay for my tools as needed to keep my paycheck money
@@marksatterfield yup, I am currently. It’s annoying to see people slander getting an education because they don’t understand it, but it is a complicated thing at first I guess.
@@kennyhuber293College just isn’t worth it unless you have a select job that requires a degree (law, medicine, some engineering). He may be over exaggerating the average loans students take but for some this is indeed a realistic number.
@@chrisw8049 I can confirm in fact that they are not, as I am in college and am aware of my own finances. Most students are between 40-100k all said and done
Having recently coached my kids through this, I can say that this is true if you don't take advantage of opportunities to earn college credits in high school and don't qualify for scholarships don't work during college don't obtain internship opportunities and don't choose a marketable major. But if you do do those things, college can work out better. However, if your an entrepreneur, then a trade may take you way further than college.
This is it right here. It’s all about getting grants, scholarships, and doing things smartly. I.e. pay rent + utilities + food ~1000/person/month over dorms ($6000 for 3 months) and a meal plan(2-3k) that is overpriced by 100x
Not all universities will accept all of the high school or community College credits. I can tell you in engineering colleges usually want you to take the core classes with them. If you manage to get out of community college with an associates degree then they will accept more of the classes but that usually only translates to 1 year off a full bachelor degree. This may not be worth it if you are out of your community College district and are just going to transfer to a state college. If someone plans on going to a private university then it gets much worse since they don't have to accept and transfer credits at all. Scholarships and grants are good but not always available for various reasosns (small universities tend to have limited connections and funding). To add insult to injury for scholarship some universities require to have a GPA with them before they can offer you a scholarship. You can say well apply to all of those scholarships that are offered out in the wild and open to anyone. You can do that but they tend to be small and very difficult to obtain, especially if you are just starting out since nobody wants to risk their money getting wasted. I almost suspect that most of the scholarships that get advertised as open to anyone are fake and only exist on paper as some sort of tax scam.
@RandomUser_360 it depends on the field of engineering and school you go into. For example if you take a circuits class in high school that's supposed to transfer to a university it may help fill in the requirement for a circuits class in mechanical engineering but it usually won't fill in for a circuits class in electrical engineering. If the high school or community college has worked out an agreement with other universities then the classes will usually transfer fully but most of those agreements are within public state universities and sometimes a local private uni. It's still a good idea to take the classes in high school to try and get a feel for the field. You really don't want to change degrees halfway through college and and up starting over in a new field.
My school pays me $3500 per semester to attend and I work in trades… just don’t be lazy and do good in both😂
Prove it.
Less people are getting in the trades which means our pays payscale has been steadily going up. I'm 18 years into commercial HVAC, refrigeration, and food service equipment. I'm still usually the youngest guy at the supply house at 35 years old. Less supply with more demand equals higher pay...
Trades bro! What keeps America going. And around the world. Building and fixing, finding solutions. Making lives more comfortable for the ones sitting behind the desk.
Currently a second year dental student (DMD), have already completed a 4-year bachelors degree and have zero debt as of today. Will that change? Probably but these numbers are either averages or assumptions. We all come from different backgrounds/experience.
I’d say trades are best for people who are good with their hands.
I wish real life was a factor in these numbers.
Stay in school. The pay is shit
I did college through byu Idaho, only cost me 2200$ per semester for 8 semesters. I also focused on school and didn’t work, so I got full scholarships for 6 semesters. So tuition only cost me 4400$ for bachelors
Yep, let the masses go to school and support hope and dreams. Been to both, more opportunity in tradework. Yes, I finished my degree, and went back into the field to speak down to all the "educated folk" that think a degree =authority. However, we do need managers to focus on timeliness and make positive relationships to make it all work.
And it's only up from there, if you strive to be the best then you'll be paid more than the rest
College isnt for everyone. But some people really excel in their fields after college. Same goes for the trades. Trades aren't for everyone. But some people really excel in their chosen trades.
5 years of college is the normal now. And you end up serving coffee for 12 dollars an hour, no medical, so pension.
I disagree, I'm a 6mth apprentice and have spent over 600$ in tools only. My Forman trucks has 10k plus in tools. Too top it off we drive to job sites for the first two yrs to job sites that are 60miles radius from our shop. So add maintenance on vechiles. I make 25$ right now but due to raise next month and will be making 28.50. I do detailing to pay for my tools as needed to keep my paycheck money
At that point it comes down to the company. Not all companies treat you like that. Find the company that advertises to the highest bidder.
Find a better company. There's tons out there trust me...
Plumbing is not the only job that will keep america running.
Advice from someone who didn't go to school.
Literally, I saw 100-200k and I nearly did a backflip. It’s bad but not that bad 😂 (assuming you go to a regular state colllege)
@@kennyhuber293 yeah I agree, and most of us work through university anyway.
@@marksatterfield yup, I am currently. It’s annoying to see people slander getting an education because they don’t understand it, but it is a complicated thing at first I guess.
@@kennyhuber293College just isn’t worth it unless you have a select job that requires a degree (law, medicine, some engineering).
He may be over exaggerating the average loans students take but for some this is indeed a realistic number.
@@chrisw8049 I can confirm in fact that they are not, as I am in college and am aware of my own finances. Most students are between 40-100k all said and done