PD Simplified : Spoked Wheels vs Alloy Wheels
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- čas přidán 18. 07. 2021
- Spoked wheels or alloy wheels? Is one really better than the other? That depends on what you ask of them. Almost all modern sports bikes have alloys while the offroaders have spoked wheels. Here's Shumi simplifying the wheels.
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Hey #PDArmy, which wheels do you like - spoked or alloys? Tell us below. If you loved this and want to see more, give the video a thumbs up and subscribe to the channel if you haven't already.
Can you please make a video on headlight modification on RE motorcycles, coz nowadays we see a lot of RE Classics with aftermarket LED headlight units, is it legal on Indian roads?
What is imu
I once heard someone say that a spoked wheel can be sealed with some kind of sealant and tape such that tubeless tires can be used ... Is this true ?
@@nandusajeev3249 yes check way2speed tubeless kit. There is one more Japanese import i am missing the name.
@CZcams LOOK technically yes. But 99% no one will question you on this
When Shumi speaks I shut up and listen! Request for next video: How do different kinds of Chassis designs and materials used to make them affect the handling and overall strength of a motorcycle.
V difficult to directly connect frame types to handling feel in today’s bikes. Tech allows us to do wonderful things now
@@shu_mar ohhh I see. I keep hearing like: "this bike has trellis frame", "this bike has steel tubular fram" etc. But never really understood how these things affect the bike, hence I wondered if it could be covered by PD.
@@udayrajiitb that I can do! They’re design choices which I can help explain
@@shu_mar awesome! thanks a lot 🙂
He can't hear you anyway even if you speak, Einstein
Requested Topic: Common things to check before buying a second hand Vehicle (car/bike)
I think they already made a video on that
IMHO, spoked wheels are also better at absorbing shocks and impacts, as the spokes work under tension, and steel has a high tensile strength. Hence, spoked wheels would be more durable off-road. Tires being the big unsprung component on the bike, this should be a big consideration.
@@avipratapsingh1607 you’re right on both counts but they’re not related directly. Strength/brittleness and tyre unsprung mass don’t direct talk to each other.
Fortnine did a good video on that
Alloy! I spoke first here!
Can u make a video on radial tyre..
Alloy Mate!!! 😅 You missed out on the conversion kit scene that is gaining momentum in India....
@@prabhakarbharadwaj9006 Nope. Separate video for that. And the success rate seems to depend on who does the conversion 🤷🏽♂️
@@jeevangowda9000 can do!
Is PD going to make the best of 300-400 cc bikes??
Loving this series, this is only place to get such much needed stuff.😍
Lovely content and great delivery, as always 🙏🏻
There are automotive enthusiasts who love automobiles, but some of us are so crazy we love to understand the background, the way it all works and how the business is run.
I too am such a crazy enthusiast who started my job in an automotive company and still would love to be there!
absolutely Love this series!!
CZcams recommended one of the videos from this series and I'm Absolutely Loving this series. Kudos to everyone.
Another great topic 👍
Based on my learning, the Strength to weight ratio and the durability are the top reasons for manufacturers to use spoke wheels for offroad. spoked wheels can take a lot of beating before it fails completely.
Always nice to watch shumi da
Mind-blowing video. Understood the whole concept in under 5 minutes. Such brevity is amazing
Oh yeah! Thank you!
Expecting more regular content ....we love it
Thank you Hari!
We hear you. More coming up, soon. Stay tuned.
I love this series...
Hey Schumi, another byte sized content, can you touch upon, conversions from spoked to tubeless for adv bikes, this is also common in re bikes (the conversion).
PD now you are doing a commendable job by giving more info about different things about transportation in simple ways rather than just polished promotional videos, I was kinda tired of them.thanks
Facts.
I learned it the hard way when I had to replace an alloy wheel whìch breaks when I took my Apache 200 off road.
SIR YOU ARE BRILLIANT,GENIOUS,KIND AND PROFOUD KNOWLEDGEABLE EXPERT IN BIKES TECH..SALUTE YOUR PASSIO AND INFORMATIONS
Simply explained thanks 😊
Thank u pd I was waiting for this discussion
Really good video. kudos for choosing such subjects...
Thank you!
This has always been a point of argument in my group and we keep thrashing each other 😆.. shumi I have said this earlier and I am saying it now start a radio podcast. I'll be glad to hear you in my car stereo while in jam or on long drives.
Forged > Cast, Spoke rims are forged, see what Shumi did there with his closing comment!
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PD simplified suggestion: Throttle blipping - why it needs to be done. The science behind rev matching. Would be helpful for new riders.
Keep doing what you're doing guys!
Yes !
Awesome content! ❤️
Great video!!!
Requested topic : Clutchless Upshifts and Downshifts.
Good content as always. I’d love to see a Ryan F9 style review where cast and spoke wheels are actually tested to the limit. Right now, it looks like all of CZcams is just saying things that we all know 😄
For me, I’d be happy to pay the premium and get spoked tubeless wheels for my Himalaya.
How can a guy tell so much valid points in a rather short span of time, is he a professor ? Professor shumi !!!!
i stand for alloy wheels, they are of less hassle and less pain in the a*s. Spokes demand more maintenance such as time-to-time spoke tightening/reallingment and the biggest about alloys is that they are tubeless. So alloys are a better choice, less hassle,
Good one PD! let's go for the Cast Vs Forged wheels. Thanks
Great explanation..
As usual extremely well presented and well researched video. Congratulations.
What are the best brands for alloy wheels in India ?
Great video as always. Can you guys do a video on wheel mods for cars and the differences between cast, flow form, forged etc?
Nice explanation and a good video as always.
Cast Alloy wheels Vs Forged Alloy wheels please!!!
Do cast alloys Vs forged alloy wheels
Royal Enfield Classic 350 Chrome Red looks better with spoked wheels (IMO). However, for better practicality, do you recommend alloy wheels? (I do not intend to go hardcore off-roading)
Awesome informative video..... Goes without saying.... Especially when sensei Shoomi is presenting...... A small suggestion, just like you are doing these simplified for bikes, also start doing for cars...... I am sure lot of viewers would love to see and learn from those videos......
IMO, preference of spoked wheels for off-road is not only because of replacing individual part but the main reason is to avoid brittleness of Alloy wheels. Correct me if I am wrong.
I like the narrative " cheerful old ladies tightening hubs and spokes..." :) .
Requested topic: Right way of stopping the bike. I mean applying proper brakes, front or rear. it a can be a brief tutorial. Thanks
True! Spoke wheels have more give. So they’re easy to bend but mostly they can also bend back. Alloys are much stronger but once the threshold, they’re not elastic enough to bounce back.
Really you are doing great job!!! 👍👍👍
Thank you!
@@shu_mar ❤️
Please make a video on chain vs shaft on bikes.✌🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Very well put.
Some 15-20 yrs back why was this the other way around with alloy wheels options were at a premium over the wired wheels?
Manufacturing technology - alloys, metallurgy as well as casting & forging tech.
How does cruise control work
Alloy wheels are more good looking than spokes ...
But spokes are more tough and stronger which we can for offroading 👍
Nice content 👍👍❤️
Spokes come with tubes
Alloys are tubeless so it is easy to make punctures
Their are many brands like ducati , bmw , ktm , triumph which offer spokes wheels with tubeless tyre.
Spokes are tougher? Spokes aren't made for aggressive riding style but for long cruses. I've seen the problem of the spokes getting bent in the GT650 after a mix of too much of offroad and highway pulls
@@mohammadyaqoob746 throw away your Enfield.
@@Aryanthakur-yt9bc 😭🤣🤣
Good info here, requesting you to talk about different types of bike chassis
Thank you for the suggestion, Vaibhav!
Thanks for the video ❤️🙏🏻👍🏻💐🎉🎊
best automotive content in india
Thank you Ram!
Shumi it's awesome part
Great video shumi 😍. Please make a video on cast alloy vs forged alloy.
Sir yes sir!
Of course we love Shumi speaking!!
One request, help us on Do's and Don'ts post car / bike submerged in water logging. My car and bike just went through this over this weekend. Have fixed my bike with the help of mechanic. Would like to hear it from you guys, so others can be benefited.
Can do!
@@shu_marThank you so much and look forward to see this soon Sir!
That's why my Xpulse has spoked wheels.....and already within last 6 months, once my tube has punctured and had to replace the complete tube with a new one as the leakage points were too much and patch work would have been costlier.
Hey PD ! Could you do a video on soft and hard suspensions ? Which type suits better for pillion rider, luggage or terrain ?
The reason why dirt riders use spoked wheels because when they jump from bigger heights, the load is distributed evenly to all the spokes, when it comes to alloys, the load would fall on 2-3 alloy spoked (don't know what do we call them ) which has more chances to bend.
Not 100% accurate. Spokes have flex so they can survive impacts slightly better than alloys. Alloys are far stronger but big impacts can break them.
Superb 👍
You should have mentioned that spoke wheels have the ability to flex a little as opposed to allow wheels which have zero flex. Therefore spoke wheels will always be more comfortable for offroad and bad roads
you are more likely to face punctures more often than rim bent or rim break
Cast alloy vs Forged alloy lesson from Shumi? Yes please... Any day..
Noted!
Master sumi
Yes we want cast alloy vs forged alloy videos.
Got it!
Hey shumi! Please make a comparison between dry battery and wet battery, and which one of these is good for our bikes 😀
What kind of locks for bikes would you suggest? Taking into account the practicality as well as the security. Loved the episode ❤️
And I am still confused which one to get because I want the Classic 350 but adding alloys make it costlier than Meteor 350. I rode both, loved both for the slightly different feel and will be happy with either.
Spoked wheels are preferred for offroad conditions not only because they're easy to fix, but their flexibility is much needed in those terrains
Yuss!
Video 💡: Comparing different kinds of motorcycles. Super sport, sports naked, adventure, cafe racer, scrambler, etc.
Good idea!
2:45 My father had an accident, a truck while reversing rammed in to his motorcycle, he was lucky to escape with just few scratches on the body, while the alloy-wheels just broke off, and he was stranded there until the bike was towed to the nearest repairing shop.
If a truck broke a wheel, it would break any wheel at all, so here neither would give you an advantage
Let's hear about Cast vs Forged in the next video😁😁😁
Requested Topic: Pros & Cons of Automatic cars over Manual transmission over 5 yrs and Top 5 automatic car under 10L in India.
Finally most awaited video shumi decode most confusing topics. Finally my myths busted I was living under rock. 🥺🥺🥺😭😭😭
Thank you!
Sir please do tell us about the puncture fixing fluids that are used in tube tyres which are available nowadays.They cost around 1000-2000Rs .While their actual performance is debatable, the use of such fluids will it damage the tyre or the rims?.
No damage. But at high speeds I can feel their presence and I don’t like it - I won’t use it.
Most of us cannot afford to take the racing track course due to various reasons. Can you guys teach us few basic tips and tricks to ride safe and go fast at the same time ?
1) How to come out of corner?
2) How to brake for Non-ABS disc brakes?
3) Tips on when to change bike tyres by looking at it physically
4) What should be the riding position with and without pillion rider
5) At what rpm do we need to change gears ?
6) Bike chain lubrication
7) How to properly clean bike without affecting the electrical components.
8) After how many kilometres should we overhaul the main engine?
Top Boxes and Panniers
Easy. Avoid top boxes like the plague if you like handling / cornering feel
in spoked rim forces are more distributed throughout spokes than alloys, so they are better for off roading
Thanks for this.
I've always wondered, what could be the difference between Steel Wheels and Alloy Wheels for cars! Could you please help out?
A video on Bike frame types please😁
Next video request: Countersteering! I want it to be explained by shumi because I don't understand the other videos on the internet
Haha! Idea noted!
clearly simplified 👌
You could have included the concept of Forged alloy wheels too.. Anyway.. Lovely video as usual..!! 🤝🏻
Simplified: one thing at a time 😊
Hey PD, can you do a vid on different engine types next
Nice comparison, is there a substantial cost diff between alloy and spoked wheels ?
Yes, I want the difference between cast wheels and forged wheels
Dr.Shumi
Seems like Shumi had his Uber waiting and PD told him to Shoot the video..
Uber? No no. My bike! 😝
I would love to see the options we have for punctured tubeless and tubed wheels.
Infinite options. Just take a sharp object along 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is it safe to make the spoke wheel tubeless by using the 3m option?
Why there is no mods for Bike instrumental cluster??
As they grow more electronic, they become harder to mess with.
Can you explain about the use and feasibility of Outex tape for spoke wheels, for bikes like continental GT..?
Which is better alloys wheel or steel wheels for cars? There's no such video to explain clearly.
Any suggestions as to any possibility of turning xpulse 200 to tubeless type or change to Alloy wheels. Which manufacturer can be relied upon if change to alloy wheels. Thanks.
Can someone please explain how good are those tubeless spoked wheels in BMWs , Triumphs compared to conventional Tubed spoke wheels - Considering both are used for hardcore offroading ?
After suffering through few punctures and one tube valve break, I was long thinking of putting on tubeless Tyres for my Himalayan. Silly me! Thanks to this video, now I know it's not possible..
Do tutorial on breaking
Which one offer better ride comfort, spoke or alloy wheels
Pls make a video on chasis of the bikes
But spoked wheels look good
Tubeless conversion of spoked wheels using Outtex or way2? Pls discuss or shed some light on it.
Success rate varies widely - needs a good chap doing the application.
I broke the rear wheel hub on my TB-500 3 years back, apparently, an air bubble caused the rear brakes to completely lock up, and just pushing it to the repair shop was enough to destroy the hub, thankfully got it replaced under warranty...
Phew! As long as you came out of that unscathed, it's okay.
Warranties are awesome!
Single channel vs dual channel abs...also explaining why there is diificulty in applying front abs brake in case of passing over a speed breaker or pothole
The “difficulty” isn’t ABS. it’s the impact pushing the pads off the pistons in the calliper. Unfortunately it’s more common than it should be.
@@shu_mar got it. Thanks.
What I have noticed is that when I try to brake the front wheel of my single channel abs Apache 160 4v as soon as I cross the speed breaker, I feel the brake lever vibrating which should be the abs kicking in. But the thing is is there is no play in the lever and also the bike doesn't seem to slow down. Is it also because that while I do this the front wheel would be off contact with ground and thus messing up the abs?
@@nishantdhonde7487 that’s not ABS. ABS won’t “lock” the lever. Knocking pads off pistons will.
Naked and dirt bike have handle bar and sports bike have clip ons?
Can you do a video on taper roller bearing and ball bearings on the handle bar stem ?
Thanks
Talk about motorcycle seat comfort. Do they really affect the lower back & spine due to minute vibrations over a prolonged period of time? Do bum gets affect due to seating over a prolonged period of time, especially in pressure points? I know going over bad roads, patched roads, humps will affect our back.
A topic which hardly anyone talks about. Unless someone has affected from it & stopped riding. Since I took the bike 3 years ago, I'm starting to have bubble in particular spots in bum, which comes regularly for 4 or 5 months. Untill that bubble pops, man it's painfull to sit. I even changed seat form, cover, shape, but it didn't work.
Sir, Can you discuss about pros and cons of spoke wheel with tubeless tyre which offered by some tyre shop. Thanks in advance.
When done well, and it’s rare, conversions work well. But my feedback channel says success rate is poor because of bad technique in application
@@shu_mar Thanks again
Types of Brake callipers. For next topic.
Content, as always, is crazy informative and useful! 10/10!
But the thumbnail could have been better. Looked a bit messy.