Hey man, you need to tune the shock pistons, then shock oil if you're bottoming out. Shock springs aren't the problem. Without tuning those first, and if you're just swapping to heavier springs, the car will actually have traction issues and bounce more. You can tell right away that your XRT isn't loading up on the ramp but instead it's too stiff, therefore you're missing traction on the jumps. Same with the landings - it's bouncing bro.
I don't doubt that my shock tuning isn't perfect. I don't really get into it too much as I'm just not that picky. I am using the M2C pistons though and they seem to work pretty well. The problem really wasn't bottoming out as with really big jumps all vehicles are going to bottom out. My problem was that it was bottoming out easily on small jumps just because the stock springs were getting overwhelmed by how much heavier the car is I am also running shock fluid that is twice as thick as stock so that will help somewhat. Again though I'm certainly no expert on suspension tuning. I'm actually pretty happy with how this is set up and honestly probably won't mess with it :-)
AWESOME BASH and kILLER info!, I definitely learned something new today!!!! Thanks! You're absolutely right! Most parts can handle perfect landings, Top quality parts can handle almost anything!!! thanks for punishing the parts!!!
Great video 👍 love it when you show that flipping crashes. I’ve always known you do that for our benefit. You’ve got too much rc knowledge to crash that bad accidentally 👍
Well I do crash badly on accident often enough as well. I'm frequently trying to push the limit and when you do that it leads to crashes. That being said I can land on my wheels if I want to :-)
Great video,my xrt has most vitavon parts as well as m2c parts so its heavy and the vitavon springs work great.i run 46 spur snd 32 pinion by gds gears which ihave had great luck with these gears since last summer with no heat problems.keep up the good videos really enjoy them all.
I'm also happy with the vitavan Springs. I wasn't super sure about them when I first put them on as they didn't really feel any stiffer but the proofs in the pudding and this thing lands jumps like butter.
@@user-fy5by5xp7n it helps 👍 I do 4” x 1” strips that can hold 10lbs Just make sure you degrease the areas first and let it sit over night for a good bond
@@OGPAPERBOY77 thanks sir. I've gotta get new connectors for my boat. Last summer the batteries got too hot for some reason and they won't unplug. Just ran it normal. No idea why it Happened
It's always best to clean the mating surfaces if you use glue or tape. A quick wipe with isopropyl alcohol will allow the tape's adhesives to work to its maximum potential.
Massive recommendation for you: ORANGE threadlock. I believe permatex is the only brand that makes it, they may have a patent on it. According to their marketing it’s 3x the strength of blue but still hand tool removable. If you slather it on a pinion it does need some power tool assist but not much. I’ll hit mine with a jet style lighter and can usually get it right out.
I actually have some orange and it does work well though I have found that in most RC applications it's really not necessary. As long as the threads are clean and you give it enough time to cure blue threadlocker works really well. I might take another look at that orange though!
@@DoRC I really only ever use it for x truck pinions. Traxxas has actually switched to pre applying orange on their grub screws for the upgraded machined pinion gears.
@@dylanwhite6539 Nice though I'm not certain that the colors of the pre-applied threadlocks will match the colors of the permatex ones. The pre-applied stuff comes from different companies and isn't really any standard for the colors on them. Not saying the orange pre-applied stuff isn't stronger it's just not necessarily stronger just because it's orange.
I purchased the hobbywing Max 5 G2 with the 1100 G2.. fortunately you do not have to go through any of that to use that system. The downside is the can is the same size as the 800 KV.. so you really do need a rear brace on the motor and that takes up a lot of space. And you use the GMP ESC mount that goes in place of the radio box top... Other than that, I believe it was an easier setup than you had to go through. WFO 35/30 gearing mod 1.5
I know the Traxxas 6533 TSM receiver is rated for 6v but I have four 6533 receivers that are running 7.4v and 8.4 volt. I found out by ordering a 6533 from eBay for 10$ that still worked but had the antenna cut short. I slowly raised the voltage on it up to 8.4v and I was surprised when it didn’t pop. I tested my transmitter the same way and it too can handle 8.4v I have a 6cell Traxxas NiMH instead of double As.
Whether or not a Traxxas receiver will survive at higher voltages is kind of a crap shoot. I think there's something inside that's right on the edge and it just depends on what batch that particular component came from. I've had receivers handle 7.4 volts, I've had them die immediately and I've had them handle it for a while and then die. It's just luck of the draw whether or not yours will
I still much prefer running 20M vs ear plugs. Though im not going for big air & back flips. I also run 1M in my erevo, I found the 20M to be far too wheelie happy.
Yeah it's all about preference. I would leave the stock fluid in if I was mostly doing flat ground running but since 90% of my bashing is just jumping then driving back around jumping again the ear plugs work well for me.
I’ve been wanting an XRT since they were announced and this video did not help at all. 😂 Now I REALLY want one. Awesome bashing! Have you ever landed a car in the neighbor’s yard? 😅
nice job as usual. I don't have a prob with my mod 1.5 gears as they came. I got the Apex set. I'm done with fans on my bashers. I have worked on my XRT way too much and have had to put too much money into and I am still a bit leery of it. Still not sure if its a keeper yet.
So thats a PC fan. Cool thanks for the tip. Do you think its worth it or just go with proper motor and gearing or even just replace motors about once a year. I have so many problems keeping these running as it is. Fans can add another headache. Especially with external bec. Oy!! Still worth it to you?@@DoRC
@@maplestreetrc yeah I have a whole video about it. I think no matter what you're doing a fan is a good idea. The 40 mm server fans are pretty durable and any air movement helps. Of course you can reduce gearing to reduce heat or go with bigger electronics it really just depends on what you want to do. It's kind of hard for me to give you a specific suggestion just because I'm not sure what your goals are.
Yep. If you properly prep the surface by cleaning them both with rubbing alcohol and use genuine VHB as well as give it 24 hours to set up after adhering it double side tape actually works very well. Most of the time when people have problems with double sided tape it's that they either don't prep the surface, use cheap tape or don't give it time to set up before using it.
Have you checked out GPMs mod 1.5 that eliminates the Cush drive? It’s basically the same setup vitavon used on theirs but MUCH cheaper. I just installed one on mine but ran into pinion gear issues as it’s listed a bit confusingly. Thought I bought a 8mm pinion but got a 5mm, so I might have to run my somewhat damaged 13t for the moment if my lhs doesn’t have a replacement.
I didn't know GPM had one but personally I don't like eliminating the Kush drive. It adds some compliance to the system which really helps save your gears and drivetrain from shock loads. The Kush drive rubber does need to be replaced from time to time but I don't really mind doing that.
@@DoRC I was in the same boat but after 2 exploded spurs, 2 destroyed Cush drive housings and 5 destroyed mod 1.5 pinions, it’s time to try something different. I won’t be using earplugs so I should be fine. Definitely wouldn’t recommend doing so with earplugs.
Thanks again for another great video ! Where did the motor fan mount come from ? Looks 3D printed. I just ordered a couple of 28,000 rpm 8.4v 30mm fans cause with the HW5690 and the M2C Motor Mount, 2 40mm fans were too big but I like that single that you have.
@DoRC oh yeah. I even bought stock replacements, thinking they were just abused after 2 years on 4S. I tried getting stronger ones when I did the replacement but they were out of stock. I'll have to add it to my list.
@@Macgyver46 Unfortunately there aren't a lot of options for stronger 6s springs. VG Racing says they're going to be making them but they seem to be kind of slacking off lately.
@DoRC arrma actually has 6lbs spring where these I think are 4.5lbs. They have to many measurements for spring strength 🤣 my local hobby store and track has them in stock a lot. When I was shopping it was during the shipping problems the hobby saw.
hey Do RC i was wondering if i should get the traxxas xrt ultimate or the traxxas xrt because the ultimate one is kind of expansive but i dont know if its worth it buying it like is it better to pick the xrt and modify it or its better to pick the xrt ultimate and now im just questionning myself. Its making me crazy and i also like the green version of the xrt ultimate. But yeah wich one are you recommanding me to pick. Thank you! Also between the traxxas X-MAXX And the Traxxas X-Maxx ultimate Thank you again!
KD i really appreciate how well you go into the tear downs and letting us know what to upgrade and what not to👊🏾
Thanks man Glad you enjoy!
Hey man, you need to tune the shock pistons, then shock oil if you're bottoming out. Shock springs aren't the problem. Without tuning those first, and if you're just swapping to heavier springs, the car will actually have traction issues and bounce more. You can tell right away that your XRT isn't loading up on the ramp but instead it's too stiff, therefore you're missing traction on the jumps. Same with the landings - it's bouncing bro.
I don't doubt that my shock tuning isn't perfect. I don't really get into it too much as I'm just not that picky. I am using the M2C pistons though and they seem to work pretty well.
The problem really wasn't bottoming out as with really big jumps all vehicles are going to bottom out. My problem was that it was bottoming out easily on small jumps just because the stock springs were getting overwhelmed by how much heavier the car is
I am also running shock fluid that is twice as thick as stock so that will help somewhat.
Again though I'm certainly no expert on suspension tuning. I'm actually pretty happy with how this is set up and honestly probably won't mess with it :-)
AWESOME BASH and kILLER info!, I definitely learned something new today!!!! Thanks! You're absolutely right! Most parts can handle perfect landings, Top quality parts can handle almost anything!!! thanks for punishing the parts!!!
You're welcome glad you enjoyed!
I'd like to see you test the cheap diff cups. Just grind the vitavon CVD pins down a little bit to fit. Good vid.
I'd like to do a full video on nothing but cheap upgrades. Could be something coming in the future!
Great video 👍 love it when you show that flipping crashes. I’ve always known you do that for our benefit. You’ve got too much rc knowledge to crash that bad accidentally 👍
Well I do crash badly on accident often enough as well. I'm frequently trying to push the limit and when you do that it leads to crashes. That being said I can land on my wheels if I want to :-)
Great video,my xrt has most vitavon parts as well as m2c parts so its heavy and the vitavon springs work great.i run 46 spur snd 32 pinion by gds gears which ihave had great luck with these gears since last summer with no heat problems.keep up the good videos really enjoy them all.
I'm also happy with the vitavan Springs. I wasn't super sure about them when I first put them on as they didn't really feel any stiffer but the proofs in the pudding and this thing lands jumps like butter.
I added a strip of velcro on the bottom of my batteries and they have moved since, got the idea from my proboat sonicwake 🤙
I've tried that in the past unfortunately just Velcro into the chassis doesn't hold the batteries in for me.
@@DoRC how bout one of those battery strap hold down kits they make? Have you tried those?
Im new here so I appologize if you already did
Need to do that on my sonic wake
@@user-fy5by5xp7n it helps 👍 I do 4” x 1” strips that can hold 10lbs Just make sure you degrease the areas first and let it sit over night for a good bond
@@OGPAPERBOY77 thanks sir. I've gotta get new connectors for my boat. Last summer the batteries got too hot for some reason and they won't unplug. Just ran it normal. No idea why it
Happened
Man ..... my XRT has been sitting for awhile I think its time to purchase some goodies while its winter time.
Go for it. Upgrading is fun :-)
It's always best to clean the mating surfaces if you use glue or tape. A quick wipe with isopropyl alcohol will allow the tape's adhesives to work to its maximum potential.
Absolutely. I always do that. I didn't explain it in this video but I have in previous ones. Thanks for watching!
Great vid 👍👌👍
Glad you enjoyed and thanks for watching :-)
I love that build
It's definitely a lot of fun!
Massive recommendation for you: ORANGE threadlock. I believe permatex is the only brand that makes it, they may have a patent on it. According to their marketing it’s 3x the strength of blue but still hand tool removable. If you slather it on a pinion it does need some power tool assist but not much. I’ll hit mine with a jet style lighter and can usually get it right out.
I actually have some orange and it does work well though I have found that in most RC applications it's really not necessary. As long as the threads are clean and you give it enough time to cure blue threadlocker works really well.
I might take another look at that orange though!
@@DoRC I really only ever use it for x truck pinions. Traxxas has actually switched to pre applying orange on their grub screws for the upgraded machined pinion gears.
@@dylanwhite6539 Nice though I'm not certain that the colors of the pre-applied threadlocks will match the colors of the permatex ones. The pre-applied stuff comes from different companies and isn't really any standard for the colors on them. Not saying the orange pre-applied stuff isn't stronger it's just not necessarily stronger just because it's orange.
I purchased the hobbywing Max 5 G2 with the 1100 G2.. fortunately you do not have to go through any of that to use that system. The downside is the can is the same size as the 800 KV.. so you really do need a rear brace on the motor and that takes up a lot of space. And you use the GMP ESC mount that goes in place of the radio box top... Other than that, I believe it was an easier setup than you had to go through. WFO 35/30 gearing mod 1.5
Yeah the Max 5G 2 has a pretty strong internal BEC which doesn't seem to be phased by the reefs 900. The MMX 8S BEC is a little lacking
Man that's a tough car.
Great job with the pinion gear.
Yes it is and thanks!
Truck
I know the Traxxas 6533 TSM receiver is rated for 6v but I have four 6533 receivers that are running 7.4v and 8.4 volt. I found out by ordering a 6533 from eBay for 10$ that still worked but had the antenna cut short. I slowly raised the voltage on it up to 8.4v and I was surprised when it didn’t pop. I tested my transmitter the same way and it too can handle 8.4v I have a 6cell Traxxas NiMH instead of double As.
Whether or not a Traxxas receiver will survive at higher voltages is kind of a crap shoot. I think there's something inside that's right on the edge and it just depends on what batch that particular component came from. I've had receivers handle 7.4 volts, I've had them die immediately and I've had them handle it for a while and then die. It's just luck of the draw whether or not yours will
Saga gears a dope asf thats all i use robinson racing are nice too
You need m2c hub extensions, i see your front rims are digging into your a arms
Yeah they are my go-to for mod 1.5 for sure! Thanks for watching :-)
This is the first xrt I’ve seen do a standing backflip I think the mod 2 years are a better choice in this truck seems to eliminate the cog
Yeah the tires have a lot to do with that. They are big and balloon easily so it helps rotate the car.
I still much prefer running 20M vs ear plugs. Though im not going for big air & back flips. I also run 1M in my erevo, I found the 20M to be far too wheelie happy.
Yeah it's all about preference. I would leave the stock fluid in if I was mostly doing flat ground running but since 90% of my bashing is just jumping then driving back around jumping again the ear plugs work well for me.
Nice build 👍 pinion mod worked well
Yeah definitely. If you've got the tools to do it it's not a bad thing. Gearing is a little aggressive for the 1100 KV motor though
I’ve been wanting an XRT since they were announced and this video did not help at all. 😂 Now I REALLY want one. Awesome bashing! Have you ever landed a car in the neighbor’s yard? 😅
I have a few times. I've got it on video in one of my sledge videos
@@DoRC HAHA Awesome! I really like the sledge too. I’ll have to check out your Sledge videos!
It's a truck sir
@@user-fy5by5xp7n ehh. It's a truggy. I think you could easily call it either one
@@DoRC lol just being old for fun
Great video
Glad you enjoyed Thanks for watching!
nice job as usual. I don't have a prob with my mod 1.5 gears as they came. I got the Apex set. I'm done with fans on my bashers. I have worked on my XRT way too much and have had to put too much money into and I am still a bit leery of it. Still not sure if its a keeper yet.
Have you tried 40 mm server fans? They're really durable and you can get them cheap on eBay used
So thats a PC fan. Cool thanks for the tip. Do you think its worth it or just go with proper motor and gearing or even just replace motors about once a year. I have so many problems keeping these running as it is. Fans can add another headache. Especially with external bec. Oy!! Still worth it to you?@@DoRC
@@maplestreetrc yeah I have a whole video about it. I think no matter what you're doing a fan is a good idea. The 40 mm server fans are pretty durable and any air movement helps. Of course you can reduce gearing to reduce heat or go with bigger electronics it really just depends on what you want to do. It's kind of hard for me to give you a specific suggestion just because I'm not sure what your goals are.
Love your videos man do you have any old x maxx or xrt parts that you would sell i want to build one because i cant afford to buy one
I usually sell those parts off pretty quickly to offset the cost of the upgrades.
Hey bro did you just double side tape your MMX 8s in there. I have a brand new one I was thinking putting in my son's Xmaxx. Great video thanx.
Yep. If you properly prep the surface by cleaning them both with rubbing alcohol and use genuine VHB as well as give it 24 hours to set up after adhering it double side tape actually works very well. Most of the time when people have problems with double sided tape it's that they either don't prep the surface, use cheap tape or don't give it time to set up before using it.
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Thanks for watching :-)
🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠 that a WILED BEAST
Yeah she definitely took some abuse!
That's why I don't buy hot racing pinoin gears, bcuz they have 2 grub screws r it didn't stay on my outcast 6s. I prefer Robinson racing pinoin gears.
Robinson Racing makes good ones. I also really like techno for mod 1 gears as they use an oversized grub screw which holds really well.
Have you checked out GPMs mod 1.5 that eliminates the Cush drive? It’s basically the same setup vitavon used on theirs but MUCH cheaper. I just installed one on mine but ran into pinion gear issues as it’s listed a bit confusingly. Thought I bought a 8mm pinion but got a 5mm, so I might have to run my somewhat damaged 13t for the moment if my lhs doesn’t have a replacement.
I didn't know GPM had one but personally I don't like eliminating the Kush drive. It adds some compliance to the system which really helps save your gears and drivetrain from shock loads. The Kush drive rubber does need to be replaced from time to time but I don't really mind doing that.
@@DoRC I was in the same boat but after 2 exploded spurs, 2 destroyed Cush drive housings and 5 destroyed mod 1.5 pinions, it’s time to try something different. I won’t be using earplugs so I should be fine. Definitely wouldn’t recommend doing so with earplugs.
Thanks again for another great video ! Where did the motor fan mount come from ? Looks 3D printed. I just ordered a couple of 28,000 rpm 8.4v 30mm fans cause with the HW5690 and the M2C Motor Mount, 2 40mm fans were too big but I like that single that you have.
Yes it's 3D printed.
Printed yourself right ? Didn't buy it online ? @@DoRC
@@ImAcoastpedder correct. I do all of my own 3D printing. If you need a specific adapter shoot me an email and I'll hook you up.
You should maybe try a hobby max 5 g2 motor with the castle esc and the adapter wire just to see how they interact.
Not a bad idea. I think it'll work just fine though.
I’m just curious if it will still make the castle sensored whine noise.
@@IsaacSchultz-lz8jc I bought the adapters. I'll check it out
Did you get standard to hobbywing motor or hobbywing esc to standard motor plug?
I got both.
Is there a name brand heat shrink with the adhesive in it?
Probably but I usually just buy the no name assortments on Amazon. They all seem to work pretty well
Ok I looked on Amazon but wasn’t sure if that was what I was supposed to get
@@RcSpeedFreak-kk8wjharbor freight marine shrink has it inside
Would a stronger spring help support the weight of a larger 6S battery in my TLR typhon? Still stock shocks and the rear sags when I run my 6S.
Yes but have you cranked the preload collars down on it yet?
@DoRC oh yeah. I even bought stock replacements, thinking they were just abused after 2 years on 4S. I tried getting stronger ones when I did the replacement but they were out of stock. I'll have to add it to my list.
@@Macgyver46 Unfortunately there aren't a lot of options for stronger 6s springs. VG Racing says they're going to be making them but they seem to be kind of slacking off lately.
@DoRC arrma actually has 6lbs spring where these I think are 4.5lbs. They have to many measurements for spring strength 🤣 my local hobby store and track has them in stock a lot. When I was shopping it was during the shipping problems the hobby saw.
@@Macgyver46 ah ok. I'm usually looking for upgrades for the Outcast or similar and I think they already use the strongest springs
hey Do RC i was wondering if i should get the traxxas xrt ultimate or the traxxas xrt because the ultimate one is kind of expansive but i dont know if its worth it buying it like is it better to pick the xrt and modify it or its better to pick the xrt ultimate and now im just questionning myself. Its making me crazy and i also like the green version of the xrt ultimate. But yeah wich one are you recommanding me to pick. Thank you! Also between the traxxas X-MAXX And the Traxxas X-Maxx ultimate Thank you again!
Personally I'd recommend buying the regular XRT and upgrading it yourself. Check out my buy or build video on this exact subject for my full opinion
@@DoRC so will it come cheaper and stronger upgrading the regular one then buying the ultimate one?
@@xxdrxzzyrl2054 Well cheap and strong are kind of mutually exclusive but for a very similar price you can have what I consider a better truck
@@DoRC and how about the x-maxx’s is it better the xrt or xmaxx for bashing and speed
@@xxdrxzzyrl2054 XRT is better for handling but the X-Max is better for stunts
Futaba 4pm plus
Futaba makes great radios but they ware way off on value these days.
Does external BEC work fine?
Yes. It fixed the problem on this model and I've used them plenty of times before. They work great
Have you ever shown your face in a video
Yes