Awesome teaching moment for the operator, didn't keep trying to bury himself before stopping for help, and awesome job to the experienced operator for helping him without belittling the man and making him feel bad. Great job sir!!!
@godackgudalach1 It was still moving, but it was pretty close to not going anywhere. It was good he stopped when he did, he realized he was in trouble and asked for help. That is the correct decision in my mind.
@Jack201037 Actually it's an excellent example of how we give people the opportunity to LEARN and move up in the company without having to yell and scream and throw a fit every time there is a small mistake made. The operator displayed excellent judgement in knowing when to stop and ask for his supervisors help in removing the stuck machine. This video is a learning tool for other operators on how to save yourself from a bad situation. Or are you one of those guys who knows everything?
This isn't staged, it's something that presented a good learning opportunity for both the guy who got stuck and others who will watch the video. I've used this to train new dozer ops in the company and I've shared it with youtube for other people to benefit as well.
No back dragging, using the blade to pick up the machine to break the suction of the mud and allow dirt to fall into the ruts from the tracks to get the machine higher. This also helps pack the dirt under the blade where the front of the tracks will be climbing up onto. You are correct about wanting to minimize track spin!
Ah, removing final drives. I have fond memories of it. Not that it was hard. Just some kind of a hoist and a long pipe bolted to the final to balance it off and on. The Deeres I worked on never had a problem from dirt wear. J.D. told us since the Cat tracks have to make 6 rotations per revolution instead of 4, there was 1/3rd more pin and bushing wear and also made the unit more top-heavy. I worked for J.D. Industrial about 8 years. Never applied at Cat. Glad it's all over, though. Too old, now.
Theres not a person on the planet that hasn't made an error, slip up, goof up, or oops. Train your people , listen to thier concerns and questions, and improve the training.
'The work will teach you how to do it' - great call by the operator to contact a someone more experienced to help him rather than 'burying the machine deeper.
@tarheellax92 Was pushing out the mud pile to dry and didn't dig down deep enough. Got a bit high centred and since there was very little traction due to it being so wet he couldn't go forwards or back. He was smart to stop when he did, it only took me a couple minutes to get it out. If he kept spinning the tracks he would of just dig it down deeper.
Ok, after reading the other comments, I feel like a douche for busting on the dude now. Yup, the guy did the right thing - ask for help instead of burying the thing.
I actually work for a CAT service dealer. What i was told in CAT school was the higher sprockets keep the finals out of the dirt and in turn slows wear and can also keep the drive and tracks from becoming too packed with mud. It also changed the torque of the drive and makes final drive removal far easier.
They went to elevated sprockets to get the final drives to isolate them from the shock loads from the blade. If you look at the pre-elevated sprocket models, you will see the track frames are continuous and hold the finals. This puts the shock loads from the push arms straight into the finals, leading to wear and damage. Other manufacturers solved this problem by ending the track frames just before the finals. The elevated sprocket was also eased the removal of trans. & torque converter.
@race26 John Deere recognized the value of being part of this youtube channel, and took the time to talk to us and give us some merchandise. Caterpillar however couldn't be bothered to even talk to us.
@vantagetes you guys have the right attitude. Our industry doesn't need anymore screamers and yellers, that operator will probably never make that mistake again. And will probably have patience when he becomes seasons and has underlings
I was just citing Cat's argument for elevating the finals back in 1976 when the original D10 came out. My dad sold Cat and JD many of the machine tools used to make these machines, so I heard lots of inside stories from the engineers relayed to my dad. Even Cat has abandoned the elevated sprocket in their smaller machines....
Interesting, but why do the tracks jump sprocket teeth when reversing? Are the tracks/sprockets worn-out or do you have hydraulically extended front pulleys (track tensioners) that don't work well under high load, or what? If so, it's a bad design!
I work in Coal and not Dirt/Rock so maybe different in our application but usually when stuck, the track frames fill up with material and that material gets picked up into the sprocket segments on the final drive and causes the teeth to skip out of the sprocket. Not something you want to do but sometimes is unavoidable. Mal adjusted tracks will also cause the tracks to skip but that is usually not the case.
@t6868 I highly doubt you could do any better, this is an old frost pile that has a hard crust and a liquid bottom. The guy who got stuck stopped before he completely buried it and I got it out without having to tow it.
Does anyone know why Cat went with the elevated final drives? Is it to keep the finals out of the dirt? I would think that at the savings of keeping the final drives out of the dirt, you'd get 1/3rd more wear on the track pins and bushings. They would rotate 1/3 times more. At least that's what I was told when working for John Deere Industrial.
When you look at it move and it only just pulls traction and you watch him work the blade you can see invisible everything is in front of that huge blade.
Guys you'll have to forgive me since I've never operated a dozer, just watched everyone of your vids! Is Jason modulating the decelerator pedal to prevent the tracks from slipping while semi-back dragging and then pushing the pile out of the way? Seems like all these posts of guys "throttling out" would just dig you deeper. Thanks again for the great videos ... hope you are staying warm with your balmy -30 degree spring weather
@345MEdigger He's my packer operator, I'm training him to run dozer. He did the right thing by stopping when he knew he was in trouble and asking for help.
Not bad been in a deeper hole and walked one out after some one decided not too get help. As long as it will move without slipping the tracks there is hope.
ha ha good times. i have sat in one spot for two hours getting myself unstuck lol got out eventually but it involved alot of paddling and rocking haha either that or i get dug out by an Hitachi 8000...
The op just lacked a little confidence maybe (was he new to operating?) and got scared when he felt her startin to go down. He did the right thing tho by stopping when he did and letting a more 'experienced' hand get in the saddle..probably saved a recovery fee or a couple hours of a 360 machine's time.
The valuable lesson learned that day was that buying lunch & taking a little flak for asking for a little help is WAAAAAY CHEAPER than a recov fee & having to hear "Are you sure you want to run that today *insert name here*? There's about a foot of dirt out there & we don't want you to stick & sink it again" for the next 2 years! There's also the more common... "Hey, someone get the recov crew on the way because pencil dick is running the D10 again today"!
@Jack201037 You also have to remember in our area there is a huge boom in the construction and mining industry. We have to train new operators all the time because we have THAT much work. As Jason has pointed out this is a great example of a new operator showing good judgement in asking for help instead of getting in deeper. He'll remember this and next time he encounters this situation he will know what to do. I learned myself in the family company by making mistakes and learning from them.
Like I said from 80's onward. Odd, most D3-5's that I operated where stamp in inconspicuous places - Mitsubishi - Made in Japan. The high tracks may dominate the small time world of Eastern US mining but that maybe have something to do with the backward nature of the way things are done in that region. Serious production tends not to use dozers at all. CAT never had much of a name in mining, at least until now that they bought O&K/Bucyrus. The first generation high tracks, where seriously down on power due to the 15-20% power transfer loss due to the high track design. They turned up the fuel pumps on the Rs to make up for it. The BL and 300 series are Mitsubishi excavators, the backhoes are English, a lot of smaller wheeled loads are sourced from S America - Go USA. :D
Proof that you don't even have to have a clue about what you're talking about when posting stuff on the internet. "Cat never had much of a name in mining" - hilarious. "Backward nature of the way things are done in that region" - yeah, a hot bed of the largest names in the world in regards to metal/non-metal mining, and local/regional companies that outshine even those locations in terms of technology and tonnage. Engine tuning has been way more complicated than just turning fuel pumps up for nearly 30 friggin years. Please, do continue to enlighten us.
idk if you still see any of these comments but what exactly was the problem here, and how did you fix it? Looks like you just picked the blade out and more or less backed out of it. Im a new operator, don't have any seat time in a dozer yet but my company is training me to run pushcat after a few more hours in a scraper if we have time before the end of the season (Digging dirt in Alberta)
Of course I do. The pile was frost dumped in the winter and we are spreading it out to dry, so some is ok dirt and some is pretty muddy. Behind the dozer was all mud so he couldn’t back up onto the pile, and he took too big of a blade so he ran out of traction and couldn’t get over the pile in front of him. When I backed up I back bladed down some of the pile in front to spread the weight around and when I backed up I took a blade going forwards as even with low traction I had the advantage of the weight of the dozer coming down off the pile.
@@wills.5762 help shovel tracks every day without being asked, don’t bitch about shit, always be watching what people are doing and how they are doing it
Hats off to him to call for help before being actually stuck
Awesome teaching moment for the operator, didn't keep trying to bury himself before stopping for help, and awesome job to the experienced operator for helping him without belittling the man and making him feel bad. Great job sir!!!
@godackgudalach1 It was still moving, but it was pretty close to not going anywhere. It was good he stopped when he did, he realized he was in trouble and asked for help. That is the correct decision in my mind.
@Jack201037 Actually it's an excellent example of how we give people the opportunity to LEARN and move up in the company without having to yell and scream and throw a fit every time there is a small mistake made. The operator displayed excellent judgement in knowing when to stop and ask for his supervisors help in removing the stuck machine. This video is a learning tool for other operators on how to save yourself from a bad situation. Or are you one of those guys who knows everything?
This isn't staged, it's something that presented a good learning opportunity for both the guy who got stuck and others who will watch the video. I've used this to train new dozer ops in the company and I've shared it with youtube for other people to benefit as well.
It wasn't even stuck.
No back dragging, using the blade to pick up the machine to break the suction of the mud and allow dirt to fall into the ruts from the tracks to get the machine higher. This also helps pack the dirt under the blade where the front of the tracks will be climbing up onto. You are correct about wanting to minimize track spin!
Hi there vantagetes.
What are you doing after all theses years..
Still operating plant
Uk 🇬🇧 guy
@@Only-one-life-68 currently running electric shovel (4100XPC BOSS and 7/495HF + HR) at a mine
Ah, removing final drives. I have fond memories of it. Not that it was hard. Just some kind of a hoist and a long pipe bolted to the final to balance it off and on.
The Deeres I worked on never had a problem from dirt wear.
J.D. told us since the Cat tracks have to make 6 rotations per revolution instead of 4, there was 1/3rd more pin and bushing wear and also made the unit more top-heavy.
I worked for J.D. Industrial about 8 years. Never applied at Cat.
Glad it's all over, though. Too old, now.
I like your patient approach
Theres not a person on the planet that hasn't made an error, slip up, goof up, or oops.
Train your people , listen to thier concerns and questions, and improve the training.
'The work will teach you how to do it' - great call by the operator to contact a someone more experienced to help him rather than 'burying the machine deeper.
@tarheellax92 Was pushing out the mud pile to dry and didn't dig down deep enough. Got a bit high centred and since there was very little traction due to it being so wet he couldn't go forwards or back. He was smart to stop when he did, it only took me a couple minutes to get it out. If he kept spinning the tracks he would of just dig it down deeper.
how was he stuck to begin with. all he did was lift the blade and track backwards...
@redheadedduckhunter I'm sure before we even have the small pile moved (there is a much larger pile) I'll have a pile of more D10R stuck videos.
Ok, after reading the other comments, I feel like a douche for busting on the dude now. Yup, the guy did the right thing - ask for help instead of burying the thing.
I actually work for a CAT service dealer. What i was told in CAT school was the higher sprockets keep the finals out of the dirt and in turn slows wear and can also keep the drive and tracks from becoming too packed with mud. It also changed the torque of the drive and makes final drive removal far easier.
Very well done! Will we get an encore?
They went to elevated sprockets to get the final drives to isolate them from the shock loads from the blade. If you look at the pre-elevated sprocket models, you will see the track frames are continuous and hold the finals. This puts the shock loads from the push arms straight into the finals, leading to wear and damage. Other manufacturers solved this problem by ending the track frames just before the finals. The elevated sprocket was also eased the removal of trans. & torque converter.
@race26 John Deere recognized the value of being part of this youtube channel, and took the time to talk to us and give us some merchandise. Caterpillar however couldn't be bothered to even talk to us.
@vantagetes you guys have the right attitude. Our industry doesn't need anymore screamers and yellers, that operator will probably never make that mistake again. And will probably have patience when he becomes seasons and has underlings
My hero you saved the big CAT, you are the man.
Sounds blooming amazing..
I was just citing Cat's argument for elevating the finals back in 1976 when the original D10 came out. My dad sold Cat and JD many of the machine tools used to make these machines, so I heard lots of inside stories from the engineers relayed to my dad. Even Cat has abandoned the elevated sprocket in their smaller machines....
Interesting, but why do the tracks jump sprocket teeth when reversing? Are the tracks/sprockets worn-out or do you have hydraulically extended front pulleys (track tensioners) that don't work well under high load, or what?
If so, it's a bad design!
I work in Coal and not Dirt/Rock so maybe different in our application but usually when stuck, the track frames fill up with material and that material gets picked up into the sprocket segments on the final drive and causes the teeth to skip out of the sprocket. Not something you want to do but sometimes is unavoidable. Mal adjusted tracks will also cause the tracks to skip but that is usually not the case.
@t6868 I highly doubt you could do any better, this is an old frost pile that has a hard crust and a liquid bottom. The guy who got stuck stopped before he completely buried it and I got it out without having to tow it.
Nicely done!
Does anyone know why Cat went with the elevated final drives? Is it to keep the finals out of the dirt?
I would think that at the savings of keeping the final drives out of the dirt, you'd get 1/3rd more wear on the track pins and bushings. They would rotate 1/3 times more.
At least that's what I was told when working for John Deere Industrial.
Always show up in tennis shoes.
@2:06 why did you stop the push and back back into the soft spot. Seems like you were out and could have continued that push onto solid ground?
Excellent operating skills! I did notice however you are operating a CAT Dozer wearing a Deere hat. lol.
you guys stage videos great, and on the company dime to boot .lol grt vid
A man wearing a John Deere cap driving a Cat bulldozer what's this world comming to
You don't "drive" a dozer you "operate" it
Excuse this ole farmboy
A dozer operator is no cat skinner.
true
Lol. Now that's funny.......😃
from packer to dozer that is a pretty nice leap
When you look at it move and it only just pulls traction and you watch him work the blade you can see invisible everything is in front of that huge blade.
Nice work dude.
If the operator call that stuck he is in the wrong profession
Guys you'll have to forgive me since I've never operated a dozer, just watched everyone of your vids! Is Jason modulating the decelerator pedal to prevent the tracks from slipping while semi-back dragging and then pushing the pile out of the way? Seems like all these posts of guys "throttling out" would just dig you deeper. Thanks again for the great videos ... hope you are staying warm with your balmy -30 degree spring weather
@chfar072281 That with a good operator you don't always need a cable to get a machine out of a stick situation.
yeah they tend to do that sometimes
So what exactly happened? did he get stuck underneath on top of a pile?
Looks like he was having fun and never forget that's not what matters lol
Jason.....I am actally HIGHLY impressed! Very well done! I thought I was pretty good at getting equipment out of boggs but this was excellent! A++
Lol that was simple
That young man had a great master
@345MEdigger He's my packer operator, I'm training him to run dozer. He did the right thing by stopping when he knew he was in trouble and asking for help.
Well done!
I’ve seen a dozer buried up to it’s cab in muskeg,, had to get a D11 to pull it out
Good stuff here always something to be learn't !
Simple and short! Worst case blade down work material in with tracks...
Not bad been in a deeper hole and walked one out after some one decided not too get help. As long as it will move without slipping the tracks there is hope.
nice work mate you are really good operator and you understend the power of this beast CAT D10 cheers thanks a hug for cameramen!!
If you don't get stuck from time to time, your not working one.Everyone gets stuck, especially in the heavy tractors.
I think I just found my mode of transportation. Rush hour no sweat.
nice operating! my dad has a d10n.
Those larger dozers seem to have tracks that are too narrow.
The D11 is a marvel of engineering and technology. Too bad that some operators are not equally as qualified in those areas. 🔧
Erika Krausmann thats a d10... and you gotta learn somewhere.
That D10 wasnt even stuck. could have idled out of that one
49ers do it best
To each their own! Lets watch our companys grow and not b-tch about it.
Excellent .All Aboard
ha ha good times. i have sat in one spot for two hours getting myself unstuck lol got out eventually but it involved alot of paddling and rocking haha either that or i get dug out by an Hitachi 8000...
And you were born a professional operator?
Like a BOSS
what kind of job site is this
Whats that little beauty weigh out at? I figure about 100 tons with that size blade on it?
Smart to stop before the machine was sunk up to the cab.
Exactly
like a boss!
same i probably owe my boss a couple
The op just lacked a little confidence maybe (was he new to operating?) and got scared when he felt her startin to go down. He did the right thing tho by stopping when he did and letting a more 'experienced' hand get in the saddle..probably saved a recovery fee or a couple hours of a 360 machine's time.
Yes he made the right call in stopping and asking for help. Especially since the only other machine on site was an 815!
Yes, no joke when one of those goes down..he prob learned a valuable lesson that day
The valuable lesson learned that day was that buying lunch & taking a little flak for asking for a little help is WAAAAAY CHEAPER than a recov fee & having to hear "Are you sure you want to run that today *insert name here*? There's about a foot of dirt out there & we don't want you to stick & sink it again" for the next 2 years! There's also the more common... "Hey, someone get the recov crew on the way because pencil dick is running the D10 again today"!
Why would there be flak for asking for help?
Haven't you ever had a friend or coworker hassle/joke around with you, esp if it's about something that you are just learning?
i yea wooo .. what a stuck dozer that was
danm that thing sounds good.
@chfar072281 Fair enough. We have 230 pieces so we try to train in company when people show initiative. You should grab some videos of what you do!
No, but I learned to crawl before I walked.
what!! not even stuck!
Motor má super zvuk. Já pracuji s D9R , a to není takové.
looks like fun I want a turn lol
Only if there's something hard to push on.
You do not run dozer, you operate it. Maybe that is why it was stuck
WHEN IN DOUGHT THROTTLE OUT!!
amen bro
@Jack201037 You also have to remember in our area there is a huge boom in the construction and mining industry. We have to train new operators all the time because we have THAT much work. As Jason has pointed out this is a great example of a new operator showing good judgement in asking for help instead of getting in deeper. He'll remember this and next time he encounters this situation he will know what to do. I learned myself in the family company by making mistakes and learning from them.
Like I said from 80's onward. Odd, most D3-5's that I operated where stamp in inconspicuous places - Mitsubishi - Made in Japan.
The high tracks may dominate the small time world of Eastern US mining but that maybe have something to do with the backward nature of the way things are done in that region. Serious production tends not to use dozers at all. CAT never had much of a name in mining, at least until now that they bought O&K/Bucyrus.
The first generation high tracks, where seriously down on power due to the 15-20% power transfer loss due to the high track design. They turned up the fuel pumps on the Rs to make up for it.
The BL and 300 series are Mitsubishi excavators, the backhoes are English, a lot of smaller wheeled loads are sourced from S America - Go USA. :D
Proof that you don't even have to have a clue about what you're talking about when posting stuff on the internet. "Cat never had much of a name in mining" - hilarious.
"Backward nature of the way things are done in that region" - yeah, a hot bed of the largest names in the world in regards to metal/non-metal mining, and local/regional companies that outshine even those locations in terms of technology and tonnage.
Engine tuning has been way more complicated than just turning fuel pumps up for nearly 30 friggin years.
Please, do continue to enlighten us.
Practice makes perfect
idk if you still see any of these comments but what exactly was the problem here, and how did you fix it? Looks like you just picked the blade out and more or less backed out of it. Im a new operator, don't have any seat time in a dozer yet but my company is training me to run pushcat after a few more hours in a scraper if we have time before the end of the season (Digging dirt in Alberta)
Of course I do. The pile was frost dumped in the winter and we are spreading it out to dry, so some is ok dirt and some is pretty muddy. Behind the dozer was all mud so he couldn’t back up onto the pile, and he took too big of a blade so he ran out of traction and couldn’t get over the pile in front of him. When I backed up I back bladed down some of the pile in front to spread the weight around and when I backed up I took a blade going forwards as even with low traction I had the advantage of the weight of the dozer coming down off the pile.
@@vantagetes Ahh makes perfect sense, thanks. Any general advice for a new op in this province?
@@wills.5762 help shovel tracks every day without being asked, don’t bitch about shit, always be watching what people are doing and how they are doing it
Another wonderful OH SHIT moment.
not bad getting it out for a rookie.....lol.....nice job
ターボの音が好きです、
I would think another disadvantage would be a high center of gravity.
Yamaha SR650 ... We were told decades ago that the CG was actually lower on the tritrack. Doesn't look like it. But...
he knew hed get it out but i could put it in a spot that three 120 rh120 couldnd get it out
Operator matters alot! Thats all i can say
how much diesel fuel does a site like this consume in a day?
Im guessing 100 gallons..lol
Are you kidding me? It was never stuck!
amen
@JPLIKES2SK8 A wet one!
We all know u had it after u backed up u just rocked a couple more times so dude wouldnt feel so bad
thats a carton,on my job every bog is a carton of beer
did i hurt your feelings?
im just saying why did you watch it if yu knew it was boring?
Your a awesome operator and love your vids, not gay or anything just saying
Guy behind camera was like fucking ass hole. I could have done that lol. Awesome driving
just need to let a little air out of its tires is all
Personally I blame squirrels
That wasn’t even stuck. That guy ain’t nothing but a seat warmer 😂 find someone who can operate