Bloody Buron D+1 - The Battle of Normandy 1944 - With Marc Milner
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Join us for a live show from the area of Buron and Authie 77 years on to the day of an advance by the Canadian 9th Brigade and supporting armour towards Carpiquet airport.
Historian Marc Milner is our guest today and will explain how for 4 days beginning on June 7th, the Canadians of the 3rd Division fought to a literal standstill the 1st SS Panzer Corps - which included the Wehrmacht's 21st Panzer Division; its vaunted Panzer Lehr Division; and the rabidly zealous 12th SS Hitler Youth Panzer Division. Often seen as a German victory the battle for Buron, Authie and Gruchy was actually the beginning of the end for Kurt Meyer and the 12th SS.
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My father Hugh was in a Stuart tank overlooking Carpiquet airport on June 7 from the ridge. Their radios had failed, their Squadron Commander had been brewed up and they were unsupported. Having seen the airport, they decided to retreat northward, driving out of the fields and onto the road at Franqueville. Your note about the SS counteroffensive, helps to clarify that. Once they were on the road they came upon a German 88 at Franqueville. Fortunately, the Germans had their gun pointing northward as the Stuarts came out of the wheat from behind. The 88mm crew were taken out by the 37mm on the Stuart and that allowed them to get back to Buron. However, it seems amazing they survived at all. Perhaps the height of the wheat in 1944 was a contributing factor. The book Green Fields Beyond, is the authoritative book, and recently written by Daniel M. Braun, about the Sherbrooke Fusilier Regiment, if that helps your own research.
After touring Normandy in 2013, I learned that my Aunt's Uncle was in A Company, North Shore New Brunswick Regiment and had been killed on Juno Beach. I was able to visit his grave, Cpl. Albert J. Savoy, in Normandy in 2019 and pay respects on behalf of the family. Very moving. Please keep up this great work you are doing.
I thought I saw this name before, so I popped by my local library. In the book Juno Beach by Mark Zuehlke, he writes: "Lieutenant M.M. Keith (of 'A' Company North Shore Regiment) was one of the first men ashore, rushing ahead of his men towards the cover of the seawall. Somebody stepped on a mine that exploded with terrible fury, killing Sergeant Hugh McCormick, Lance Sergeant Pat Walsh, and Corporal Albert Savoy instantly."
I was in front of the Buron monument in June, 1977 with my grandfather Midge Cathcart, who was the RSM of the Sherbrooke Fusiliers under Radley Walters. The reception the Canadiens received on that trip was something I'll never forget.
Awesome, my company is called Buron Company to honour that battle which my unit took part in
Many years ago I wrote an article on the 17 Pounder for Airfix Magazine. A few weeks later a veteran gunner from the 62nd Anti-Tank Regiment RA, I Corps, at Buron wrote me. It included a newspaper article dated from 1944 claiming their Achilles MkIIC had taken out 15 German tanks from 12th SS Panzer. One of the vehicle commanders was getting a meddle for his part of the battle. Its great after all these years to see a full account of the battle. Thank You.
I am fairly certain the gunner is referring to the July 7th fighting and not the June 7th as in the film. The conflation is mentioned at 40:22 to 40:46
@@michaelkenny8540 Could well be, it was a long time ago and the copy of the article was lost.
Apparently the official historian for the Canadian army in Europe was a Colonel Stacey and he _never once_ even set foot on the mainland and wrote his entire history only from regimental reports while safely ensconced in Britain. It is surprising that no one has dismantled his accounting long before Marc Milner did!
Thanks for this episode Paul! 😉
BTW folks, Marc also reveals in "Stopping the Panzers" that it was the Canadian army that the German high command was paying special attention to. They apparently did not enjoy having to face the Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders in WW1, as they were known as the "Shock Troops of the Empire" for valid reasons. Many soldiers from frontier countries like the aforementioned, and South Africa and Rhodesia, too, were the toughest of the lot for obvious reasons. Thus the Germans paid close attention to where the Canadian army was stationed and were convinced that if you could accurately place them in England, then you knew where the spearhead of the Allied attack would land. Therefore the Allied leadership deliberately played mind games with Nazi high command and let the Canadian army handle much of the radio traffic for Patton's "Ghost Army" on the east coast of England in order to make sure they were convinced the main blow would arrive at Pas de Calais. (Even Juan Pujol, the Allies' best double agent used to mislead the Germans about where the main Allied attack on Europe would land, included a testimony from Canadian "deserters" in his reports to Hitler & Co. just prior to D Day.) If you haven't read Marc's book yet, then what are you waiting for? You simply don't yet have a complete idea of what was being done to mislead the Nazis until you have read "Stopping the Panzers"!
Thank you all. Excellent.
A great presentation by Marc. This is the second time I've watched it, now I have some more knowledge of the Canadians in Normandy (Thanks to @WW2TV). Marc has obviously spent quite some time there judging by his local geographical knowledge. Mags did a great job with the video, again.
I bought Marc's book "Stopping the Panzers' today - and hope I can visit the actual spots again this year. Thanks for the show.
The Conadians are tuff as nails, no better friends, no worse enimie. Great video, now I have go buy another book. Thank you for focusing on this historic event in the detail rendered.
You are so welcome!
Any show / publication de-bunking the narrative of the "elite" SS such as this and Philip Blood's show should be on everyone's must watch / read list!
Another fascinating show. Thank you!
Thank you for this presentation on the Canadian Army in Normandy, great work, much respect to those who sacrificed for our freedoms.
Another educational show.
keep it up!
Wow, that family story of yours was chilling, thankyou for sharing it with us.. My Grandfather in Austria was luckily a bit to young to be conscripted, though they were showing his class to work an anti-aircraft gun by the end.
It's unfortunate, in The Canadian school system they teach a bit about The Dieppe Raid, but as far as Normandy etc, they only focus on Juno Beach itself.
Absolutely fascinating presentation on a criminally little known subject.
Absolutely enjoyed this show from the Canadian viewpoint.
Brilliant as always, fills in so many gaps for me…
After seeing this episode live at 2am, I just had to watch it again, just a few hours later. Another "official history" gave me the impression that the Canadians were amateurs who bungled their way south from Juno. But along comes Marc's presentation.
-- The Canadian left flank was hanging in the air, left empty by the British 3rd Division who had wheeled east to protect the line of the Orne.
-- The Canadians had a limited objective, a "fortress" mission, like a football team whose strategy to defend mid-field instead of scoring goals.
-- No photo recon assets were made available to them, despite the fact that there was dead ground between their line of departure at Anguerny and their objective. They were so deprived of recon that unknown to them the 25.PzGr forward headquarters was smack on their left flank but outside the Division boundary, with no friendly units there.
So the Canadian 9th Bde was hit on three sides when the SS-Pz.Gr.Rgt 25 and the SS-Pz.Rgt 12 rose out of the dead ground. The Canadians stopped the panzer attack, and themselves suffered grievous atrocities at the hands of the SS when the towns were overwhelmed. The surviving Canadians withdrew and spent the next 30 days hunkered down not far from where they started.
What happened? Marc Milner, Paul's guest, explores this in detail. Marc talks about his father being just a few thousand meters away with an artillery regiment, ready to fire. But there wasn't "enough capacity in the plan" for artillery support.
Marc Milner told such a compelling narrative that I just had to get his book. The advantage of these WW2TV episodes is that you meet the author, realize that he's an absolute expert on the entire battle, and get a solid preview of the book.
I'm halfway through the Kindle version now, and it's so enthralling that I've decided a hardcopy belongs in my library.
This episode is good enough for three or four viewings. Don't miss it!!
Truly! As I was reading Stopping the Panzers I was absolutely dazzled by Marc's detective abilities. He rooted out the entire story of how the Allies were going to defeat the Germans and it is one terrific read. My compliments to Marc Milner!
Compelling presentation, that you both!
Fantastic show about the Canadians on June 7th 1944.
Bloody brilliant as always
Excellent presentation as usual
…I thank you so much for your presentation…outstanding coverage…
At 53:00 is the sort of moment that changes the Allies losing the advance to switching pendulum and stops the Germans getting a grip on the landings and the beach
Fascinating. The difficulties of generating sufficient combat power from a narrow bridgehead with the added temporary loss in artillery communications are obvious .Dogged ,determined stuff.
Based on reading the war diary of 12th SS Panzer Regiment and Zetterling's short entries on the division, it reads like 12th SS went through a horrible learning curve in June against the British & Canadians. They actually fight much better in July, but (of course) by August most of the combat infantry in 12th SS are dead, disabled or captured and there's not much left.
Interestingly, Zetterling (p.331) notes that 12th SS are really short of commissioned (-144/21.7% ) & non-commissioned officers (-2,192/51.6%). I don't know if the excess enlisted men (+2,360) were included in the grenadier companies but it's probable. This would point to a BIG leadership problem, especially at the lower levels. My guess is that field craft and ideological aggressiveness were leaned on to make up for the leadership gap, as we know from other studies that even depleted units remained effective (at least on the defensive) if there were enough experienced officers and NCOs to direct and lead as the men looked to them for inspiration and reassurance.
This would fit with Marc's work in that the 12th SS were not as effective as they could have been and were often "stupid" in their attacks.
This is excellent ,Mags doing a fab job with that camera ,almost from a tank commanders/observers view point ,and that open terrain must have been horrendous fighting ..
Great show. Really enjoyed it.
Great book idea for the Commonwealth Beaches as a whole Paul ! Got an author, or combination of authors lined up now ? :-)
Another really interesting watch, really helpful having your vids on as I'm painting, thanks!
Great to hear!
Can’t believe I missed this one as a Canadian. It’s not a stretch to believe the Canadians were assigned to blunt the German counterattacks. What tactic is more stereotypical of WW2 Germans than, We must counterattack.
Will you get an episode on Polish 1st Armored closing off Falaise pocket at Chambois-Montormel?
This is pretty much culmination of Normandy armor fight.
We have a livestream from Falaise but it's a subject we will revisit
There is a series of oblique air views taken on June 7th whilst the battle was in progress. Individual tanks can be identified.
Link please
Good morning. is it possible to do a short report on the battle of fontenay le pesnel with the 49th infantry division.? THANKS.
I have no immediate plans to do this, simply because James Holland has covered it so well in his Normandy 44 series
This episode has me eager to play scenarios from Panzer Leader.
Great presentation!
Completely unrelated question: at 38:49, what is that American, octagonal, red 'STOP' sign doing in French Authie???
My thanks. This is surely one of the most comprehensive descriptions of the events in that local on that day.
I don't know what you mean. Stop is used universally in France
How can they say this was a failure ,absolutely unreal …I like to add that "Success is built on failure" and furthermore during operations amidst the fog of war things do go wrong it still doesn't alter the fact that brave young men die...
How can who say this was a failure? Are you talking about the Canadian or German point of view, or about Marc or myself? The traditional narrative of June 7th is one of a German victory based on what happened in Authie. Marc's point is that by the end of the day and certainly by the end of the 8th , the Canadians had come out on top
The description of the antitank ditch was “12ft wide and 15 feet deep”.
Anyone have any photos of this ditch, what the emplacements looked like?
I toured Normandy in 2013 with a group of Americans and the only reason they stopped in Juno was because I was with them. I wish I had known this informatiuon then that I know now.
A rather poignant moment at 59:28 when we're told Mag has only 10 minutes left before curfew, who'd have thought there would ever be enforced curfews in European countries again?
Well we were trying to minimize the risks of Covid back then I guess
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Yeah I get it but both reasons past and present were equally draconian in my opinion and both ultimately equally fruitless.
It's just a pity that our leaders consider curfews to be a viable option is all.
Maybe, I don't think the world knew what to do, I always felt I wanted to be part of the solution not the problem
I would have appreciated more commentary from Mr Milner and less distracting ground level video. But great history.
Thanks, but the request we get all the time is for more content with video footage of the battlefields today. You can't please everyone
On site footage is approved 110%.
(57:57) Major A.W. Duguid. I believe it should be pronounced "do-good", and he did.
It's still hard to conceptualise what a combat engagement is like.
Was it specifically Juno Beach that was expecting such powerful counterattacks or were other beaches expecting that as well?
The Allies were aware that counter-attacks could have occurred in any of the sectors really
@WW2TV How did the intensity of the 12th SS counterattack compare with what the other beachheads had to deal with? I believe the 3rd British Infantry Division had the Panzer Lehr counterattacking them and the 51st Highland had the 21st Panzer to deal with which were also very formidable (don't know about the Americans).
Too complex to put in a reply here really
@WW2TV I bet 😅. Any good books or texts on this? Sorry I'm pestering you with questions lol.
Normandy '44 by James Holland, Marc Milner's book of course, plenty of others
Wow Mate, You guys are starting to get into very advanced documentary techniques, that make,
a garden variety MSM Documentary, look like children put their docos together with playdough..
In other words....bloody well done.....don't stop.
all the best from Downunder
If I had a spare quid, I'd give it to you...
instead
I send yr stuff far and wide.
Cannuks carried a massive burden of the fight in both WW's one and two.
We still stand shoulder to shoulder in 2023
Glory to the Good Guys!
Love from the Australian Patriots
[whats left of us]
Never give an inch!
P.s MAG.....good to know there's a Woman Supervising this push.
36:42 are those arty holes?
Yes
@@WW2TV wow
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First rate.
You’re right…never forget…
Were the Allies forces unsupported by Naval Gun fire... too far in land??
They could have support at that range, but it didn't happen in this case
Benzedrine.. was that taken by the SS divisions only to do what Magic Mushrooms did for the ancient UK tribes before fighting the Romans? SS divisions had a fearsome reputation but am I to believe now that this was down to this fact. If it is fact?
Yes some German troops used stimulants
@@WW2TV As did some allies, paras in particular
traffic circle ? I think you mean roundabout
We have an international audience and have had guests from over 30 different countries. Different terminology is one of the cool results
I didn't know the Canadians used 105 howitzer, according to the map.i always thought they used British guns.
Paul, please let your guests talk
Less is more
It depends on the guest and the show
Curfew? today? in Normandy??...are the Germans back?
It was during Covid