AoE2 - Which Client Is Better?
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2024
- I want to draw some comparissons between the two platforms, the focus in this video was on the features they offer and not the performance of the game itself! It's called Voobly vs Steam and not Voobly vs AoEHD because it's possible to still play on Voobly with your AoEHD installation, I'll likely make a video to cover this soon.
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Very thorough video. Glad you addressed this!
Please hold a 1v1 commentary contest with Zek
Battle commentary? Whilst simultaneously playing?
No u commentate on t90s commentating of a match. I can commentate on your commentary of t90s commentary of that match :)
Lol
To sum it up: A remaster from a multi billionaire company still is far more bugged, broken and has less features than a 18y old game coupled with a fan made patch.
WELL DONE MICRO$OFT
Why you don't speak about performance ? Isn't this the one major reason why people stay on Voobly ?
I was preparing a big bottle of KY and getting ready to blast some AoEHD ass... but then they announced patch 4.8. So I'm probably holding off until we get some more info about future perf updates!
so voobly has increased its performance? My experience with the voobly game client has been bad some years ago. In every lategame we would just lagg out and nothing would work so we had to end the game almost every time before even being nearly to an end ^^
4.8 is a patch for HD. I'm not sure what was going for you on Voobly but people play huge 4v4s all the time with no problems.
well if your internet sucks game will lag ofc. have been playing in voobly for years and not really bad experiences. just don't play with players with bad ping. Voobly servers have had issues but not very often
also performance isn't same as having/not having lag. in original game you can play always single player without having any issues but in HD game isn't running smootly.same in multiplayer(and if someone has bad ping game in HD is totally unplayable).
been playing hd for a while now and im disgusted with the dsync bug.
I play on steam to play the expansions, and because I started playing on steam first. I also think that if there will be any future growth and official development of the game, it will be on AoE2HD. As an addition, there are people I play with fairly regularly on Steam, so I really don't see any advantage for moving to Voobly at this point.
I play on steam mostly because I play expansions. I also play HD because I suck at the game (the theory is there, but not the practice) and because I can more easily get graphics mods.
You really talked up voobly here, and it's true: voobly cares more about the game than microsoft :(. I have my reasons got sticking with steam, and it works fine for me (most of the time.)
Just saying, Voobly graphics mods are as easy to install.
Hey Kxoe! If you are the same Kxoe I play scenarios with please shoot me a like :D
i would've also mentioned that most people already have steam installed and aoe hd is just a 1 click installation for you and all your friends that have steam. i have many friends that don't want to install another thing that does the same thing as steam except its only for age of empires ;)
Thank you bro. I have the original disc version and I didn't know about Voobly until now. Couldn't play with some friends because the original disk version doesn't work on Windows 10 but this might just solve everything for me. And I can finally use my desktop's native resolution. You're a life saver
Yeah, Voobly's version of the userpatch is the only patch for the disk version that allows me to play it on windows 10. Since I already had the disk, and I don't have any particular friends playing the game on Steam or otherwise, Voobly was the obvious choice to allow me to play the game without additional cost.
Hasan Yusuf Patel wait, voobly has a patch for the disc version for windows 10? if so I might start using it. I have a pack that contains the first with its expansion and the second with the conquerors expansion too but can't use the second on windows 10 due to that safedisc bs
You can download the userpatch on its own from userpatch.aiscripters.net, which theoretically would fix the issues the disc version has on Windows 10, but I couldn't get it to work properly. Voobly automatically installs the same patch with some minor changes when you start the game for the first time, and that method worked for me.
I enjoyed how you broke it down, but I found it much easier to go into a lobby and when someone asks the difference between voobly and steam.... to tell them it's like the army and marines. Same team, hate each other.
8:42 :D
So players actually play the updated Aoe2 HD with balance updates on Voobly? Or do they still play the old regular AoE 2 where there is balance issues?
Best regards and welcome back :)
try 'recent played list' on the steam to find your recently played friends.
Thanks for the video, I learnt a lot about Voobly! :D
If you play AoE2HD through Voobly are your hours still logged on Steam?
This is quite convenient, just yesterday I was considering trying out AoE2.
I'm really just looking to play it "competitivly", 1v1, in a more serious fashion (I don't really like chaotic spammy stuff). What expansions do I need to play it that way? Googleing at things, it seems like AoE2 (non-HD) is free?
Lastly... Are all the civs played? I don't think I could go about learning 20 civs...
welcome back man
i will go with voobly
The reason I have not transferred to Voobly is that I cannot get overlapping hotkeys to work, like I have on steam. What I mean by that is that the key 'q' either builds a house or a barracks depending on if I have selected 'a' for economic buildings or 's' for military buildings first. This is very important to me because I like to keep the number the keys I use to a minimum so that they are very easy to find.
I would love to be able to use Voobly, but the hotkeys are a game breaker for me.
Never get too used to a certain way of playing
Totally agree, Thats a dealbreaker. Drives me nuts when playing on voobly.
Ummmm do you have overlapping hotkeys ticked? Even if you don't you can just download the HD hotkeys off the the Voobly mod page it's super easy lol
yeah, i play on voobly with the exact same keys i play on HD
Hey I play on voobly and I have the hotkeys set up exactly as you describe, the way to do this is by following step 3 on this tutorial - m.reddit.com/r/aoe2/comments/4ir16r/stepbystep_guide_for_setting_up_voobly/
Just upload your Steam HKI - change output to AoC Userpatch - download new hotkeys that are compatible with Voobly and place in the folder shown in the guide.
i have a question when you play on voobly is it the regular old version or HD version i mean about water and terrain is new graphics or old?
I am not sure if I missed it in the video but, I have AoE 2 installed from steam. Would it be possible to play on Voobly anyway?
I NEED HELP! I would like to play aoe 2 HD rise of the rajas on voobly but im bad with computers and I don't really know what to do, I know you need some compatibility patch and voobly but idk if its safe to get these and where to get these and if it messes up the original game I already have installed. Plz help
Does anyone know if there is a way to enable cumulative key pressing for buildings? So in HD I got used to pressing A + Q for a house, I would press Q before my finger has left the A button and it was fine, but in Voobly you have to release A to make Q register
Does Voobly have the newest HD/Expansions patches? 4.8-> and such? if not, that's a deal breaker for me.
I have been playing HD version for quite some time and am getting tired of the lag, bugs, and other fixes that need done. I have installed Voobly and only messed around with it a little bit. It is kind of confusing and i was wondering if there is a familiarization video for voobly. This video helped a lot, just looking for even more, thanks.
3 days with videos in a row? You´re working too hard man :).
It's easy to add players you've recently played with on steam, just click view - players on the top bar, or hit shift-tab to open the overlay in-game and click on players. surprised I haven't seen anyone else mention this. (Yes I know it's an old video but this feature on steam has been around for a lot longer)
I get it, Voobly is better in almost every way, but I still prefer Steam, and hope these things will be somewhat fixed, at least before I die for an old age :-D.
And what about Gameranger?
Voobly is not the only client to play 'older' games :-).
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I prefer Steam, because if not for desync games are much more smoother and enjoyable, thanks new civs. Also on Steam there is no some nazi mod, which will bans you for literally everything, fault or not.
Also most of ppl I know playing there.
Besides I am mostly Singleplayer player, and Reskins or Custom Campaigns (sometimes better than original campaigns) are amazing.
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I know Gameranger is mostly about 'n00bs' and fast games.
But I am a 'n00b' myself and kinda like fast game speed (only fast game speed, I HATE MICHI), on normal speed everything takes so long - I have no problem with that.
Thats why I like Gameranger and Steam, they are more 'n00b' friendly, I know they are on Voobly too, but overall Voobly is more pro player oriented = competetive.
original game 100 times smoother and enjoyable than HD version. single player campaings/maps/scenarios doesn't even work always in HD version because has issues with maps that are made in original game. Hd version does have some nice scenario stuff thought. Still waiting to see good hd version only single player maps/campaings
The big problem with Steam is the unholy connection issues on multiplayer. Lag is real even with low pings.
I am used to games like Starcraft and Warcraft 3 that are really fast paced. When I try AoE 2HD, I usually get frustrated by the lag that kinda kills my game rhythm. On Voobly, I didn't have that much lag, at least when playing nearby players (of course the game will lag if I, here in South America, try to play with Japanese players)
Ayyy look who it is XD Agreed
Chen'la I don't know how to use steam? Nor do I know how to use voobly I always play vs AI
Is there an update to this video to 2018, or is it still up to date?
can you make a up to date version of this video? a 2021 version
I SAW THE PLUG
you sneaky sneaky
thanks for the video!
why didnt you add gameranger? XD would still have been intersting though to see how you look to GR
Great video! I would have loved to install Voobly, but I only have a mac, which is good in many ways, but not for playing AoE2. Also, now that I saw some Voobly-things on this video, so many other AoE2 comments make sense (games cast by you, T90, Resonance22, BBQTurkman)!
What about lag? When I tried AOE2 on Steam last year it was basically impossible to find people with normal ping or a computer that doesn't lag terrible.
Hey Zak, Steam has a recent players function listing all the players you recently played with/against. From here you can visit their profile and add them to your friendlist, without typing anything.
This is true, but it doesn't work for AoEHD
i suck at playing this game, what should i do. i am also lazy and with slow reaction time.
Great video.
I'm not new to anything of this, but it is a good comparison of most of the important things.
Some things are still left out, but for me personally the biggest thing that divides Voobly and Steam are new content vs. lobby (with spectators, profiles, statistics, watching records etc.). I'm only missing the new civs, terrains, map types, animals etc. from AoFE and AOAK on Voobly without mods. I mean, if I just could install it like I did it with AoC 14 years ago and people would actually play it the same way and amount.
Great video. Subscribed.
I would prefer voobly but it seems you sometimes have to configurate your router in order to play there without extreme lag. Something that is not possible where i live. (since we can't acces the router.) I have played a few games on voobly and though their tech-support were very kind and helpfull they could not solve the problem.
So there isn't always a choice :(
Nice to have you back by the way. You were one of the main reasons i rediscovered the game
That's a fair point, I actually had a similar problem when I was at university and had no router access. There's still fast proxy issues inside of AoEHD as well though, they just aren't made as obvious. People will not play with you if you're Fast Proxy on Voobly because they know it causes lag, on AoeHD you'll have no problem getting a game with Fast Proxy... but then everyone will complain about how laggy it is and wonder why
ZeroEmpires - Age of Empires 2
Well well... you can now solve fast proxy without accessing a router. Greg steam made a video about it and it works! So I can actually play on voobly now :)
Would you be up for a game sometime? Im like 1950 on steam
imo you should have mentioned the voobly tech support as well
Really nice video! I saw Age of Empires I on Voobly, is that right?
Yeah you can play a few old games there, but AoE2 is 99% of the community on Voobly
I think it is on there but most people play aoe2
ZeroEmpires - Age of Empires 2 Okay, thanks. Are you open for steam friend request? For playing some CS:GO or something? Im supreme and german with decent english x)
r there more players on voobly or in game multiplayer?
I just wanted to say Thank you as after watching this I've moved over to Voobly :D
Cheers
Sorry to ask but where can i download the original AoC pack free?
actually i think there's a system for checking the last people you played with on steam. although i havent seen it on aoe, its there on almost all online games ive played on steam so aoe probably has it as well
The issue I have with Voobly is that there's little map variety when it comes to RM/DM. It's always BF in the New Player Lobby and not much else.
not sure if this works with aoe2 too, but usually you have a "recently played" list on steam in which you can find your latest opponent
+Symbicort it doesn't work :(
Did we really need a 17 minute video of you championing voobly? We know you love it. I literally opened the video was like well obviously voobly watched it was like yep.
I would of preferred a casted game.
+ChickenWing575 a lot of people don't know about Voobly and are playing on AoEHD unaware of alternatives. I think I made fair comparisons and said positives and negatives about both.
as someone who only in the past few months found out about hd and the fact that there is still a community this video left me with even more questions! I thought it was a given that I would play through steam, but it seems in many situations this may be disadvantageous (restarting games, amt of lobbies, friend/block list capabilities, etc). if I am understanding correctly, voobly is a client for the lobbies? A steam copy of aoe would not work because it would be hd? would a torrented copy work through voobly, as I've owned the original + conquerors for more than a decade but am sure I would not be able to find the disks(especially not keep a hold of both at the same time)?
sorry for the text wall, but I want to play again! could someone explain or send me somewhere that can?
+pe ar hey, you can use your aoehd install to play on Voobly, it's good to look at Voobly as an alternative to Steam in terms of hosting and finding games. You'll also see a lot of performance increases to the game itself when you play on Voobly, but I didn't include that in this video.
steam copy does work for both steam and voobly. You need just patch. after doing that you can play in both steam and voobly without uninstalling patch. Check aoccs.net/ if you are more interested how it is possible to make hd work with normal game.
thank you both! :~)
I do like playing HD without owning african kingdoms expansion. That way I most always get to play the old civs with balances to them. I'm the sort who really puts emphasis on fair gameplay so I really like the balances made to HD. If only formation forming and melee units's attacking on contact was faster... Maybe they should just increase melee range by 0,2 if they can't fix it otherwise.
Why not talk about the huge lag and terrible unit pathing on HD?
exactly. they (a multi billionaire company) somehow managed to make the 18y old pathfinding to be even worse than before... fucked up netcode as well
what's the conclusión? it's voobly or steam better?
If you buy age of empires 2 HD on a cd, can you play it on steam/voobly?
Yes you can
The main problem I've been having with Voobly is how do I find myself a clan? Basically, there are so many clans, but I don't know how to tell which one I would want to join.
play with players around your skill level and you'll soon meet friends. easy to add to friends list or watch list and then you can make or join a clan.
What about player numbers, are they similar? The Steam Client reports 3000 people in game for AoE HD, whilst Voobly only has ~500 at the moment, but that might just be random and not representative of the true numbers
Zero in steam you can find the last person you played with by clicking "friends" and then "recently played with"
what do you mean?
If i install voobly, can i still play the game on steam afterwards? Because i might try voobly but all my friends play it on steam.
Yes having voobly does not impact your ability to play via steam
Thanks! ZeroEmpires - Age of Empires 2
Great video Zak, good to see you back! I have been wondering this question for ages. I have AOE2HD with no DLCs and I also have The Conquerors, so I have the ability to play on both. Only one thing, on Steam, in order to spectate, you have to have bought one of the DLCs. A major drawback. As a player who just recently got back into AOE2. i'd rather watch 1900+ games and on Steam i would have to pay more. This is why I am transferring over to Voobly. One question though, are experts (2100+) willing to let noobs spectate. Or are they very picky? Thanks, Jack
Can you use both?
Wow that video made a compelling case for switching to Voobly. I am going to have to check it out. I always heard it was really unfriendly to noobs. I have one suspicions though, the Voobly concept of "noob" is actually a pretty decent player.
I have played quite a bit on GameRanger too. It used to be quite good, less laggy in our parts of the woord. :)
Vooblys been up since I could remember -- much more maturity as far as integrating with aoe, but being able to play with my steam buddies is fun
How do I play on my MacBook Air?
nice editing m8
Well you kinda convinced me to install voobly now, even though I rarely play multiplayer games. :P
10:08 If you have played a game together... go to replays and select the game recording. Then down in the data of that game it shows the information of all the players in that game. You are looking for that players steam ID. You google that ID and add him xD
Voobly is just sooo awesome to be compared with something like HD... Thanks for everything, Voobly team!
Does steam HD still work with the compatibility patch installed?
+TheNr1CoD4pro yep, it does :D
nice, thx
well done especially on 8:44 :D :D
Can you play AoE on a mac?
Voobly dosent work on my PC and Ive been too lazy to reach out to them for a solution
I have a question , spectator dashboard is no data mod, it's a visual 1, so why anyone develop that to steam version?
And do you believe that steam will catch up on community and let people watch online lobbies as spectator / do not let spectator take a slot in the lobby / spectator won't lag the game at all because they are just and end point?
In my opinion we are not such a big community to be dived into 2 platforms , we should be on one, and it should be steam because there are still developers there that making the game better and in 1-2 years it will be much better.
Plus with a stronger community we can get more people starting to play this game and have more fun :)
About the not being able to add a teammate after the game on steam: you can simply press Shift+Tab, go to view all players and then to recent games. Now it shows all the profiles of the people you just played with and you can simply add them now.
I am certain that this feature does not work with AoeHD
Sollyz havent worked for me the times I've wanted to add someone
oh shit that huniepop thing scared me
I don't think you're right about the mods, you can host a lobby that makes it download itself too right?
In AoEHD if you put a custom map up that someone doesn't have it it will download the map for them when they join. But Custom scenarios/maps are not the same as Data mods
I played mods like Jurrasic park, don't know if that counts as Data mod. But the lobby had everyone install it automaticly, worked fine in HD.
I play on steam because there are some port forwarding problems on voobly, I know it's easy to fix it by going to the local website of your router and forward a port but I don't have acces to that (student home) so it happens that I can't play with players because of this. Also I like the expansions.
Maybe I'll try out Voobly, my main concern though is that Voobly won't have AI matches, or the campaigns
You can host a lobby in single player, and than just play campains and against Ai
What about GameRanger?
hey guys. hw to reduce ping? i already use my data.
The most important point -- not being able to add people easily. Search is such a pain!
Also, thanks for pointing out those horrible assholes.
I dont't know if it's technically possible, but like i said, an in-game voice chat would greatly improve the game imo
You didn't answer the most relevant question: which game has the most active player base/quickest games found?
Voobly
@@user-kf7qg3hz2v Not anymore :D
The DM community is especially dead on Voobly and the reasons should be obvious.
voobly also works with pirated versions yay
yes lol
7:42 Why does Viper has a Chinese flag next to him? Imposter?
Could be for fun, or to do with the fact that he was in China just last week
7. Can't wait for the 4.8 patch. Also hope that some of these Voobly features can come to HD.
tiger d or HD goes to voobly
Valentin S. True, but Steam is so easy to use and all my friends play on Steam.
If all your friends switch to voobly? no lag, same people
Why don't features from both parties reconcile into one? Why not combine the best features that both clients offer so that no playerbase gap exists between Steam and non-Steam players?
How?
Nanda Because competition is good, it drives both platforms to keep improving. With no competition, progress halts.
Because it's a challenging software design. I am sure if a good team realizes a business opportunity in doing so, they will do so.
I see.
Because Microsoft wants to make as much money as they can and Voobly is free. It's like Windows vs Linux.
zeroempires i love you!!!!!!!! :D
Great video zak. But you know whats the problem I have with steam? I CANT FIND A GAME TO JOIN! I am from the ME, and NOBODY wants to have me in their gameroom cuz of the lag. Heck, they even say "EU pings only" or from north america or whatever. The gaming experience is HORRIBLE. Yes I want to support the game and hence I even bought it on Steam, butI really wish they fix it. I absolutely content with voobly though.
Bro why dont u stream live AOE games in CZcams instead of twitch?
cuz twitch pay more
ohh.. do u upload AOE videos on CZcams ?
Please note this is not a joke:
I like HD better, bc key strokes are registered on impact on HD while on voobly, it registers them on release.
This doesnt seem like much, but it just throws my game off on voobly.
Welp, I'd rather have them being registered on release than getting +100ms extra delay with the same internet
can i play on voobly if i bought the game on steam?
same question. And if not, how stupid is that. Why do I have to buy the game twice?
yes you can, like he said in the video. There is competable patch downloadable at voobly and other sites
I get fp on voobly now, I never got it before :( Any ideas how to fix it?
get better internet
Wow man, really helpul advice thanks. My internet is fine, it's something else.
Try to set up port forwarding to your static ip address. It works like 99% of the time :)
xD
AinaweeUAE
What I like about Vooble is the nostalgic MSN/Windows life messenger feel. But I find Steam more convenient for casual play.
you didn´t talked about the 100000 mods on aok heaven, since the majority of the steam mods are just old redone mods, the game is out since 1999 it isnt like the game has only mods since HD came out.
Thomas Repko google aok heaven
I have 0 games played yet, I was like a ALL DAY looking for game on Voobly and Literally no one would accept me.... even in 1v1s
Either you have a terrible connection or you're truly ugly mate
Endryl Nery did you forward port 16000?
You should host in the first few games. That is because a lot of people may assume you are horrible or a strong smurf.
the devs should see this
steam imporoved a lot, but since the wololokingdom mod, i think voobly is the clear winner for aoe 2 only. but i still use both, depending with whom i play with.
voobly works with steam version of the game? interesting.
best feature on aoe2 HD is that is easier on the eyes, less grainy and softer graphics with a better font
How much did Voobly pay you for this unbiased review?
How do i move my expansions over from steam to voobly? Can I play the african kingdoms, rajas, etc on voobly?
Thanks so much for your help!
0:20, what's specatating?
+baverskalle it's where you watch others playing the game, from within the game
ZeroEmpires - Age of Empires 2 I made an attempt to be funny about the spelling error in the video but I guess you have to be as tired as I to find that funny. :-) Any chance I could play against you or in any of your streamed games? Around 1750-1800 on HD. Good to see you back in business, cheers mate.
@@baverskalle 3 years late, but i got the joke :)
HD Master Race!
hey zero on steam jou can just sent the map to players in lobby
Yeah you can do it for maps and custom scenarios, but data mods are different things entirely
What's wrong with Swastikas? Boy, I did Nazi that coming.