it's vastly better if the cleric is buffing and calling in cannon fodder evoked creatures to take the damage FOR you than to actually wait for you to get hit in the face and heal you
@@wadespencer3623 I don't agree completely with this. Total health % of what usually spells can heal on a character decrease as characters level up (you get spell levels slower than you get hit die), but even then they can be important and used really well. And just as shown when you are dealing single target and AoE damage whiel debuffing enemy as well, doing excellent area denial, then you can use your action to heal. If it means a character goes down one attack later, then it was worth it.
@@CrimsonCeltCherokee The best way to describe it is that Yu-Gi-Oh is a game with so many combos and powercreep, that every time you start a duel with someone who has even a decently competitive deck, they stand a 50/50 shot at killing you on the first turn. What I guess this means is that Cleric is just... fucking stupid powerful and has way too many tools at his disposal. But I can't speak for them.
@@CurlyHairedRogue That's been the case for so many editions now, same with any other spellcaster. I think the only time non-caster characters even came close was 4e, and nobody played it.
I think the real power of the healer feat is fulfilling the fantasy of any martial class. What kind of warrior can't patch themself up on the battlefield?
I interpreted creatures not being able to regain hit points from the Healer Feat several times between rests as... You can't bandage the same spot twice and expect it to heal twice. Like, it's not magical healing, it's just someone slapping some ointment and gauze on your scrapes and burns.
That bit's fine, but was Zee was talking about is that by the RAW of the feat, once you heal someone with the second half of the feat, you can't revive them with the first part of the feat until they finish a rest. Which is a but dumb, I feel. To clarify, you can use the "when you stabilise a creature it regains 1hp" part of the feat as many times as you like, but once you use the second part to give someone more health, you can't use the "when you stabilise a creature it regains 1hp" part on them anymore.
@@senorali That's the fun part. The unclear and confounding wording is not a bug. It's a feature. And not just a feature, but one explicitly desired by 5e playtesters. 4e bent over backwards to make sure its wording was clear and precise, which many people hated because it felt too sterile and "removed roleplaying from the game"...somehow. I guess? I don't get it. Either way, the playtesters wanted a return of the "natural language" that 3.5 and earlier editions had, which consequentially reintroduced all the rule presentation problems 4e tried to solve. My guess? Besides the overwhelming power of nostalgia and the desire of not wanting anything to change, I legitimately think that people love to argue about the game. It's part of the core experience for a lot of players. That runs counter to the 4e experience where rule arguments were rare and usually easily resolved. It's hard to make an episode about arguing about Mending in that environment.
One of my favourite characters ever centred around this feat. An Alchemist Artificer Firbolg, she was an old lady who healed you up with your favourite foods and treats. Passed away fighting Strahd after healing our Paladin a final time. RIP Roxell
Lol, had a similar build. Dr. Milo was a Rogue Thief/Bard Lore. He would use the Healers feat, take Good Berry's from the druid and make soap for everyone since he also took the Cook feat.
I mean, magic initiate into druid pool for goodberry would have been a 10x / day 1 HP heals you could feed people, making it more thematically appropriate, and you could have had TWO MORE SPELLS from the druid pool like Guidance & Shape Water (vampires hate flowing water, maybe that one cantrip would have changed the entire strahd fight)
@@PlushLordOfTheSeas Now see, *THIS* is the kind of player that thinks outside the box. And makes the DM sigh heavily and through out pages of encounters. And possible drives them to drink. That's how you win at D&D! 😁
I like giving the healer feat to Rogues and Monks because of their increased mobility, it really lets them zoom around the battlefield bringing people back up, whereas a Cleric has to slowly plod around to get to people.
Could be good for rp, but I'd just go for magic initiate and get healing word and a free cantrip instead. Bonus action healing at a distance without gold cost. Yes, limited use, but rogues and monks aren't really built to be the main healing unit of the team.
Been looking for this comment, but you missed one thing. Using the healer's kit is an item interaction. Thieves can heal for a bonus action and keep hitting things!
If you pick it on a thief rogue they can use the healer feat action as a bonus action. As long as they have enough movement to make it to the downed ally, they have a more cost effective healing word, making thief rogue secretly the best healer in the game.
I don't play 5e any more but one of the last characters I played, and my favorite, was a Thief Rogue who had the Healer feat so I could heal with my bonus action. They were a battlefield medic and surgeon who abandoned the war when she decided she couldn't handle the stress anymore and I loved her.
This is one of the hundreds of reasons that Thief Rogue is underrated. Bonus action for item use is just incredible. I nearly went that route with my bugbear, but then decided that I liked using him a grappler to strangle people with a garrote more and leaned into that. I still used my bonus action for utility a ton, like Disarm Trap on a beartrap that one of my teammates had been tricked into stepping in during combat. Or just my old standby, POCKET SAND.
@@nathanrailsback9667 That sounds awesome, I love that idea too. Pocket sand, or splashing a vial of acid or alchemist fire as a bonus action. Thief Rogue is pretty good for those beginning features, its just afterwards that I think it gets flack for. I honestly could see taking Thief Rogue beyond level 8, maybe multiclass into something that fits with my combat style. Considering this whole reply thread was about a combat medic, maybe go mercy monk?
@@watcher1269 The campaign ended on schedule with us only level 6, but if it had continued, I think I would have gone Artificer to make more toys to play with. Alchemist specialization would be incredible this way.
I had a similar build. My guy was a reformed thief, having never been great at the thief part, but when sentenced to community service in a hospital, he found his calling in helping people instead. He, too, liked to run around the battlefield to help heal the party like a field medic, taking the occasional pot-shot at enemies with his crossbow when he wasn’t needed for healing.
Thief subclass Rogues can make great use of this feat since Fast Hands allows them to use Healer's Kit as bonus action healing on themselves or their party members, while still keeping their main action free for sneak attacks. A solid martial healer choice.
Funny story: I have a player who took the Healer Feat and she plays a Rogue. Our Cleric is more of a tank than a healer, but when the Cleric is busy - or went down somehow, the Rogue will dash over to her, apply the Healer Feat, and dash back into the combat and give the Cleric time to give herself a bigger heal or something. Thief Rogues make for surprisingly effective emergency medics.
What most people overlook with the healer feat is that it's one of the few ways you can heal undead creatures. so it's great to get as a Necromancer so that you can keep your undead boys alive and kicking
@@eclipserepeater2466 Yes. The second sentence of the spell is "This spell has no effect on undead or constructs." Most of the standard heals have the same sentence. Aura of Vitality (3rd), Goodberry (1st), Life Transference (3rd), and Wish (9th) are the only health-restoring spells that work on undead, assuming that undead is mutually exclusive with "living" and "dead". There are a few other spells that can heal only the caster, which don't care what the caster is, but can't be used on minions.
The +1 HP when stabilizing someone brings them out of unconsciousness. Stabilizing someone brings them to 0HP, not getting worse, but not awake. The Healer feat gets them on their feet and moving under their own power.
While a Cleric is better at healing, I think the healer feat is really useful for campaigns with LONG adventuring days. Healing Word is a million times better than stabilizing a creature and bringing them to 1 HP, but if you have long adventuring days, your Cleric might be running low on spell slots while the guy with the healer feat can still bring people back into the fight. A healer’s kit costs 5 gold and has 10 uses, so unless your “Healer” is completely broke or is bad at managing their inventory, they basically will never run out of uses. Also, I really like using this feat with Thief Rogue. Their Fast Hands feature allows them to use the kits as a bonus action, freeing your action or allowing you to bring 2 people back into the fight each round.
The cleric in my last 5e game used Healer to great effect keeping up the party's HP between fights, since I always gave them at least 2 or 3 fights per long rest with a couple of shorts in between. Since it's not a spell, they can also use healing word or any other spell as a bonus, then heal as a main action which is pretty cool.
@@thegreatandterrible4508Using a charge of *a consumable item* not being called "using an object," as items are objects you can use by definition, is outlandish. ESPECIALLY when the healing cannot be spammed like a spell, it happens once per Set of fights, and its not useable on that healed character anymore for the rest of that portion of the crawl. Spells are bad per cast to counteract the more spam-able nature, but are cheap to replenish due to only needing Long Rests. Healer is balanced by irrefutably not being spam-able in the first place, and requiring you to go out of your way to buy each kit, which requires limited timing and locations, or making them yourself, which requires both skill and materials that should not be easy to get just anywhere, especially considering the price tag for a full kit is 5 GP. Aaand im out of arguments for why that interaction not being allowed by default is stupid.
@@thegreatandterrible4508 Well.... It's an object. And you use it. And it's not magical. And the base kit is explicitly for stabilizing dying characters, which heavily implies it's a standard action and could be used during combat. I mean what else would it be, a weapon? A magic item? A free action? Yeah the DM can disallow it because lmao, but the reasoning that it's not a non-magical object that you use is just odd
I actually used this to great effect, playing a bard/warlock/sorcerer raccoonfolk (pretty much just a reskinned tabaxi) who worked as a ship's surgeon (homebrew background from The Naval Code, iirc) because she struggled with healing spells during her schooling. After learning her ties to a creature from the deep (magic initiate, warlock), she learned a new way to cast spells and grew into her own more as a healer. Even still, the Healer feat is amazing, and I'd highly recommend it.
transcript for those who need it: Zee Bashew: Brought to you by a paid sponsorship for Hit Point Press' Black Friday sale. Hey! Y'know what's good? The Healer feat. Well, it does two different things. The first is pretty straightforward; if you revive a creature using the Healer's Kit, they regain 1 HP! The second thing is a little more involved, it allows you to heal characters _using_ the Healer's Kit. Uh, one charge of the kit can restore 1d6 plus 4 plus the maximum _number_ of hit dice the character has - the _number_ not the dice - so usually their level. But weirdly, if you do this, it says that the creature can't regain any HP from this feat until they finish a short or a long rest. Does that mean that the first function of the Healer feat no longer functions? I- I'd say no, but it's worth investigating. Anyway at early levels, the Healer Kit having ten charges each and only costing five gold is pretty amazing! But uh... I mean, you... You might, uh... Well... _You could just play a Cleric._ Cleric Bashew: If you so much as LOOK at me weird, I'll excommunicate your ass into the _grave!_ Oh, we're four rounds into the fight! Did you attack a few times? Ohoh, good for you! Because I'm passively generating _3D8+20 damage!_ All with an action left over to do this! *casts Resurrect* Poor Sod: I'm alive! Cleric Bashew: _And_ I have a little cartoon hammer! _Boop!_ *Poor Sod has been returned to the grave by a cartoon hammer* Zee Bashew: Hey, thanks for watching this episode! Brought to you by a paid sponsorship for Hit Point Press' Black Friday sale. Tons of discounts, Humblewood, t-shirts, jigsaw puzzles, all kinds of decks! U.S. customers get free shipping on orders over $100, just select [Free Shipping] when you check out. _And_ ZEEFRIDAY23 will get you $10 off any $50+ orders.
The Healer feat always felt more like a thing to flesh out a character’s feel than for its raw healing. Much like Inspiring Leader it’s a way to have a tangible ability tied to a background or a story point in a campaign.
The healer feat is insane. It heals more than cure wounds and scales as well. I once made a celestial warlock with the healer feat and decided I could have been anything with the healer feat and I'd still be insane.
When playing a Cleric having the Healer Feat makes it so much easier as you no longer have to waste your spell slots, especially at low levels, on healing the suicidal barbarian.
I've been cooking up a character for a while now centered around this feat. An actual doctor who clings onto the traditional methods of healing and despises all magic. This character had to learn medicine in an area without any clerics, and later in life clerics only seemed to barge in and take over his patients' treatment without his consent because "it's so much faster and easier this way". As for the other forms of magic, he's had to heal way too many magic-induced wounds to ever see magic as a beneficial thing. He has enough realism to understand he can't pick fights with mages and they need to coexist at times, but this character definitely doesn't like them. In terms of the actual class, probably rogue focused on ranged weapons, or some kind of homebrew. He's motivated to improve his craft and find ways to strengthen his healing potential. Sorry for dropping an OC but I'm kind of in love with this idea.
One of the DND novels (*Brimstone Angels* by Erin m. Evans) features a scene where a nun explains why all the acolytes have to learn medicine. And it is because level 1 - 3 clerics can't heal more that 10 people a day with their spells, so saving the for dangerous wounds, or anti-dieseas magic (purify food and water) are more sensible uses of magic.
To rules lawyer for RAW "The creature can’t regain hit points from this feat again until it finishes a short or long rest." is a bullet pointed clause, as such only applies to its own item of the listing as they are treated as standalone completions of the "you gain the following benefits" line. Same way how - means substitution/context replacement generally or interruption in narrative texts unlike - which would be line or word linking and affixes.
This feat is godly powerful at level 1. And it is still good at level 5. Really saves on the group's spell slots. After awhile, being a combat medic isn't enough to keep up with the dangers the party regularly faces.
“And I have a little cartoon hammer! BOOP!” My dad played clerics a lot back when he played DnD and he loved them, justifiably so. This was back in the day when Thor was an in-the-books option as a deity. God of thunder definitely makes for good divine interventions when you need it.
I think the power of the Healer feat is much less in its healing per se and much more in its "healing WITHOUT SPELL SLOTS" if your DM allows you to spend a short rest spending a Healer's Kit charge on party members, that's 5gp for a BETTER healing word AND at the end of the short rest you can STILL pop a charge on them during combat to get them back up. All without them needing to spend any Hit Dice OR you needing to spend spell slots. It's really the "no spell slots" that's the important part.
Healer is a fantastic feat for anyone who wants to feel like they’re actually doing medicine rather than just waving their fingers and calling it a cure.
You could possibly homebrew a way for wizards to get healing spells too. Perhaps they gain access to "healing" spells a couple of levels later than classes that can naturally learn them (e.g. they're able to learn them 2 levels higher than the usual slot unlock requirement), and the time to learn is either increased by 1.5 or doubled. Basically, turns healing into something wizards can do or learn, but requires more experience as a caster, and practice to be able to perform through the more academic spellcasting they perform. You could even have developing healing spells wizards can cast be a more "specialised" field so your run of the mill PC wizard can't learn them by levelling up, but can learn them from scrolls, spellbooks, or wizards who specialise in the field.
Healer is seriously powerful when you consider it doesn’t take up your spell slots, though admittedly it shines mostly in the mid levels or as additional option for a healing focused character.
Healer Feat pairs really well with the Alchemist Artificer class as a part time healer. Some decent damage cantrips, free 'healing word' spell and access to other healing spells (with extra points added with Alchemical Savant), Healer helps pad out those times you need to heal, without worrying too much about the limited spell slots Artificers get.
This might be the ultimate way the Healer feat holds value, using this in place of spell slots means those slots could be used for other spells for situations. The other plus I give, even if it's small, is that it cannot be stopped by a counterspell or anti-magic effect.
That cleric build had spirit guardians, guardians of faith and sacred weapon active so yes anything within 10 to 15 feet will “have their ass excommunicated to the grave”
Just made a character a couple days ago with this I’m gonna try and use in my friends upcoming phandelver campaign, hoping it’ll be fun, non magic healing should at least be interesting to see for once.
whoa your animation looks way more polished this time around. it's always a treat to watch, of course, but it's giving off extra good vibes today. wonderful work, as always
I've been wanting to RP a character with the healer feat using veterinary medicine and questionable cure & remedies. Living for the day I can use shocking grasp to resuscitate a dying player.
Probably on more stable ground rules wise taking Spare the Dying and just RPing the effect as zappy hands. As a DM I'm far less inclined to let someone go off book with a spell effect, if a spell already exists that does that job. The fun of this moment should be in the RP, not in getting your DM to bend the rules.
I think it’s pretty clear that “creature can’t regain hit points from this feat again” point only refers to the second feature. The healer feat is bullet pointed with its two uses. That section of the feat is only in the second bullet point. If this restriction was also meant to apply to stabilizing a creature, then that restriction would be in a paragraph after the bullet points or they would include it in the opening paragraph.
I've gotten used to your shenanigans with drawing funny and weird things, but you taking on the form of a hand without any explanation whatsoever has me flabbergasted. Cheers!
I got the healer feat with my necromancy wizard, gave me more to do in the early game when I ran out of spell slots, plus it went along with my character being a sketchy doctor.
I find that this feat makes a good backup in case something happens to your cleric. If they die in a battle and you still have to push on, I think everyone will be grateful for even the small bit of extra healing.
a friend of mine created a rogue subclass "the doctor" that had the healers feat somewhat baked into its mechanics. very precise with a scalpel and very good to have on the team
Here's a fun note that makes it even better; both uses iirc count as using an object.... something that takes an action generally. Except for thief rogues who can do it as their cunning bonus action.
Outside of healing magic, there's also just giving someone a potion. Pouring liquid down the throat of an unconscious and heavily injured person isn't a great idea in real life, but is apparently just fine in DnD. So the healer feat is situational, at best. Like a lot of feats are.
I'm not sure how being able to heal the entire party for like 15HP, several times a day, without spell slot cost, is at all situational. Like the situation is "anyone is hurt" which is going to come up a lot.
Yes, you can just play a healer. But the other characters having healer's kits and the healing feat (if they can at all spare the feat space in their build) can be very useful if the party has *one* cleric and that cleric happens to be stunned, charmed, dominated, under a fear effect, bound, entangled, or otherwise unavailable. Having a doctor is great. Having a doctor, a nurse, and a couple of medical assistants is even better.
It's honestly silly how many people forget that you can never have too many sources of healing, cause it's always possible (if unlikely) to find yourself in a situation where nobody else is available/able to do it themselves.
the healer's feat is great even if you have a cleric on the party, because if the cleric fall, the guy who has the healer's feat can lift the cleric back up XD i'm playing a cleric in my campaing, when i'm the only healer, i bought 1 healing potion and i told the group "NOW YOU LISTEN TO ME HERE... NOBODY, AND I MEAN, NOBODY! DRINK THIS, THIS IS IN CASE I FALL YOU ALL NEED TO USE THIS TO BRING ME BACK UP, BECAUSE IF YOU DONT BRING ME BACK UP, EVERYBODY DIES! UNDERSTOOD? DONT DRINK IT!"
I took this feat on a folk-hero hunter ranger i was playing. He had been his small town's physician prior to becoming an adventurer. He also had a taste for fine spiri- he was an alcoholic.
In my mind, I’ve always thought the Healer feat’s niche is for playing in Low/No magic settings. Then it’s actually incredible because you don’t have to burn through precious healing potions every time you get dropkicked by a bandit.
Having run a non-magic, modern post-apocalypse campaign, healer's kits can be a godsend. Technically speaking there were spell-like abilities explained as mutations, just not straight up magic and potions.
Honestly, Healer sounds like a feat that was taken to fit a very niche style type: The Combat Medic. The person who is not really proficient in healing magics to keep their battle buddies alive (As not all people would be attainable to the Weave) but knows enough about medicine and meatball surgery to be able to keep his companions...More comfortable while dying. It kind of makes sense that a rest would be needed as the drugs in the system are still wearing off and wouldn't give that right kickback: the heal being more of a "STIM Pack!" than an actual heal. That would even work if they fall unconscious again as you can't really keep...jamming Stims into someone's neck to bring them back into the fight after the first down. Considering the Help Action is also there to do the same thing - bring a downed ally back up to 1hp. It honestly could make for a great game if the team went for the more hardcore Low Magic setting where they would need someone like this to help them out in place of Healing Potions (due to very limited quantity) and lacking in healing magic. (Magic is great, we all love magic. We honestly cannot think of a game where magic does not exist in most D&D sessions....But there are times when the Weave just BLOODY DIES and you are left with almost no magical resources and still need to adventure on. )
sorry mate, DnD is not Baldur's Gate. You can't get an ally to 1 hp with anything but a heal. The only action that exists here is Stabilize, and it only works without a Medicine check (my god) with a healer kit. and the first benefit, thankfully, doesn't need a short rest *until* you heal them for 1d8. Which honestly makes sense. Why Stabilize a creater and heal them to 1 if you instead could heal them for more?
I remember a cleric I had a long time ago that had chronically bad rolls on healing spells. I was so desperate to somehow supplement my magic to keep our party glued together, I took this feat. Turns out while he was a horrible cleric, he made a great surgeon. For RP reasons, he took an expertise in medicine later on. Kinda crazy the direction things go for D&D sometimes.
My rule for my clerics is always "If you have proven that you can objectively help me win this combat, then i will heal you. However, if you're only useful out of combat, ill give you a spare the dying. Finally, if youre a legitimate liability, I'ma bonk the bad guy with my mace. Good luck on the death rolls though"
The words on screen with the animation made my nostalgic heart sing. For that alone you have earned the like, but then you went the extra mile by hyping up cleric.
Love your videos! Just started a 3.5. The party just accepted a bounty to destroy an entire Kobold mine and retrieve a Dragon egg. Secretly its a Black Dragon's egg.
"Or you could just play a cleric"
Proceeds to show every reason why a cleric has better things to do with their spell slots than heal you.
Based
A Cleric *can* heal, but they are generally far more effective doing buffs, debuffs and DPSing and off-tanking.
If you're healing in combat, things are going very wrong anyway.
it's vastly better if the cleric is buffing and calling in cannon fodder evoked creatures to take the damage FOR you than to actually wait for you to get hit in the face and heal you
@@wadespencer3623 I don't agree completely with this. Total health % of what usually spells can heal on a character decrease as characters level up (you get spell levels slower than you get hit die), but even then they can be important and used really well. And just as shown when you are dealing single target and AoE damage whiel debuffing enemy as well, doing excellent area denial, then you can use your action to heal. If it means a character goes down one attack later, then it was worth it.
This feels less like "Healer Feat Bad" and much more like "Cleric has built-in 'Yu-Gi-Oh!' Syndrome".
To be fair he literally lead the video with "Healer Feat Good" lol
What's Yu-Gi-Oh syndrome?
First thing that comes to my mind is not being able to read.
@@CrimsonCeltCherokee The best way to describe it is that Yu-Gi-Oh is a game with so many combos and powercreep, that every time you start a duel with someone who has even a decently competitive deck, they stand a 50/50 shot at killing you on the first turn.
What I guess this means is that Cleric is just... fucking stupid powerful and has way too many tools at his disposal. But I can't speak for them.
@@CurlyHairedRogue That's been the case for so many editions now, same with any other spellcaster. I think the only time non-caster characters even came close was 4e, and nobody played it.
I think the real power of the healer feat is fulfilling the fantasy of any martial class. What kind of warrior can't patch themself up on the battlefield?
Rambo using gunpowder to seal his wound.
...But why wouldn't healer kit just be a proficiency? Feels like a waste of a feat.
@@karsten69 In Pathfinder 2e, that's exactly what it is! XD
I'm nowhere near an expert, but maybe in a very low fantasy setting.
I think fantasy is the reason why fighters get the second wind ability.
I interpreted creatures not being able to regain hit points from the Healer Feat several times between rests as... You can't bandage the same spot twice and expect it to heal twice. Like, it's not magical healing, it's just someone slapping some ointment and gauze on your scrapes and burns.
That is most likely the intention but its worded awkwardly.
That bit's fine, but was Zee was talking about is that by the RAW of the feat, once you heal someone with the second half of the feat, you can't revive them with the first part of the feat until they finish a rest. Which is a but dumb, I feel.
To clarify, you can use the "when you stabilise a creature it regains 1hp" part of the feat as many times as you like, but once you use the second part to give someone more health, you can't use the "when you stabilise a creature it regains 1hp" part on them anymore.
Yeah that was my immediate thought. Normally-treated wounds take time to heal
You'd think with as many lawyers as WotC has, they could spare a few of them to fix the shitty wording of basically everything in 5e.
@@senorali That's the fun part. The unclear and confounding wording is not a bug. It's a feature. And not just a feature, but one explicitly desired by 5e playtesters. 4e bent over backwards to make sure its wording was clear and precise, which many people hated because it felt too sterile and "removed roleplaying from the game"...somehow. I guess? I don't get it. Either way, the playtesters wanted a return of the "natural language" that 3.5 and earlier editions had, which consequentially reintroduced all the rule presentation problems 4e tried to solve.
My guess? Besides the overwhelming power of nostalgia and the desire of not wanting anything to change, I legitimately think that people love to argue about the game. It's part of the core experience for a lot of players. That runs counter to the 4e experience where rule arguments were rare and usually easily resolved. It's hard to make an episode about arguing about Mending in that environment.
I played a cleric *with* Healer. It was great, really saved on spell slots.
Then slap life cleric on it. More healing.
@@gambitsheild9814 i was a light cleric because i wanted to shoot lasers at monsters
@@JaelinBezeli mean, why waste spell slots on healing the rogue when you can out-DPS him?
Even magic can't cure stupid.
@codyhines7040 Life cleric gets sunbeam too.
@@gambitsheild9814 i only made it to level six before i got kicked out of the campaign. And that was my first character.
One of my favourite characters ever centred around this feat. An Alchemist Artificer Firbolg, she was an old lady who healed you up with your favourite foods and treats. Passed away fighting Strahd after healing our Paladin a final time. RIP Roxell
Vale, Brave Roxell! She clearly earned her eternal rewards! 👍
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Lol, had a similar build. Dr. Milo was a Rogue Thief/Bard Lore. He would use the Healers feat, take Good Berry's from the druid and make soap for everyone since he also took the Cook feat.
I mean, magic initiate into druid pool for goodberry would have been a 10x / day 1 HP heals you could feed people, making it more thematically appropriate, and you could have had TWO MORE SPELLS from the druid pool like Guidance & Shape Water (vampires hate flowing water, maybe that one cantrip would have changed the entire strahd fight)
@@PlushLordOfTheSeas Now see, *THIS* is the kind of player that thinks outside the box. And makes the DM sigh heavily and through out pages of encounters. And possible drives them to drink. That's how you win at D&D! 😁
I like giving the healer feat to Rogues and Monks because of their increased mobility, it really lets them zoom around the battlefield bringing people back up, whereas a Cleric has to slowly plod around to get to people.
... Or the Cleric can cast Healing Word.
Could be good for rp, but I'd just go for magic initiate and get healing word and a free cantrip instead. Bonus action healing at a distance without gold cost. Yes, limited use, but rogues and monks aren't really built to be the main healing unit of the team.
Been looking for this comment, but you missed one thing. Using the healer's kit is an item interaction. Thieves can heal for a bonus action and keep hitting things!
If you pick it on a thief rogue they can use the healer feat action as a bonus action. As long as they have enough movement to make it to the downed ally, they have a more cost effective healing word, making thief rogue secretly the best healer in the game.
@@Zulk_RSand not cast command? What a waist of a turn
I don't play 5e any more but one of the last characters I played, and my favorite, was a Thief Rogue who had the Healer feat so I could heal with my bonus action. They were a battlefield medic and surgeon who abandoned the war when she decided she couldn't handle the stress anymore and I loved her.
This is one of the hundreds of reasons that Thief Rogue is underrated. Bonus action for item use is just incredible. I nearly went that route with my bugbear, but then decided that I liked using him a grappler to strangle people with a garrote more and leaned into that. I still used my bonus action for utility a ton, like Disarm Trap on a beartrap that one of my teammates had been tricked into stepping in during combat. Or just my old standby, POCKET SAND.
If you play this as a Gith, you also get an invisible mage hand. So you can bonus action heal on range.
@@nathanrailsback9667 That sounds awesome, I love that idea too. Pocket sand, or splashing a vial of acid or alchemist fire as a bonus action. Thief Rogue is pretty good for those beginning features, its just afterwards that I think it gets flack for. I honestly could see taking Thief Rogue beyond level 8, maybe multiclass into something that fits with my combat style.
Considering this whole reply thread was about a combat medic, maybe go mercy monk?
@@watcher1269 The campaign ended on schedule with us only level 6, but if it had continued, I think I would have gone Artificer to make more toys to play with. Alchemist specialization would be incredible this way.
I had a similar build.
My guy was a reformed thief, having never been great at the thief part, but when sentenced to community service in a hospital, he found his calling in helping people instead.
He, too, liked to run around the battlefield to help heal the party like a field medic, taking the occasional pot-shot at enemies with his crossbow when he wasn’t needed for healing.
Thief subclass Rogues can make great use of this feat since Fast Hands allows them to use Healer's Kit as bonus action healing on themselves or their party members, while still keeping their main action free for sneak attacks. A solid martial healer choice.
this is probably the most accurate depiction of the cleric spell list i've ever seen in a d&d video
Funny story: I have a player who took the Healer Feat and she plays a Rogue. Our Cleric is more of a tank than a healer, but when the Cleric is busy - or went down somehow, the Rogue will dash over to her, apply the Healer Feat, and dash back into the combat and give the Cleric time to give herself a bigger heal or something. Thief Rogues make for surprisingly effective emergency medics.
The Rogue in our party has the healer feat, and she definitely helped save our lives thanks to the feat.
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Our Rouge is an Arcane Trickster though
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@derrinerrow4369 can they heal from distance using mage hand?
@@voidwalker5784 sadly no they can not
@derrinerrow4369 the hand uses the kit, they use the hand.
Seems like a logical use to me.
What most people overlook with the healer feat is that it's one of the few ways you can heal undead creatures. so it's great to get as a Necromancer so that you can keep your undead boys alive and kicking
Heh, reminds me of Dead Boy from the Nightside series. Duct tape and staples, duct tape and staples.
Are there any rules in 5e which actually say you can't heal undead using cure wounds?
@@eclipserepeater2466 Yes. The second sentence of the spell is "This spell has no effect on undead or constructs." Most of the standard heals have the same sentence. Aura of Vitality (3rd), Goodberry (1st), Life Transference (3rd), and Wish (9th) are the only health-restoring spells that work on undead, assuming that undead is mutually exclusive with "living" and "dead". There are a few other spells that can heal only the caster, which don't care what the caster is, but can't be used on minions.
@@eclipserepeater2466 it used to be that you could use the inverse of healing cause wounds to heal the undead.
@@anthonystone2089Honestly that just took me straight back to when I was like 11 playing a necromancer in Neverwinter.
The +1 HP when stabilizing someone brings them out of unconsciousness. Stabilizing someone brings them to 0HP, not getting worse, but not awake. The Healer feat gets them on their feet and moving under their own power.
The healer fear does say you use the Healers kit to restore the HP, meaning you can use a hasted action to heal
While a Cleric is better at healing, I think the healer feat is really useful for campaigns with LONG adventuring days. Healing Word is a million times better than stabilizing a creature and bringing them to 1 HP, but if you have long adventuring days, your Cleric might be running low on spell slots while the guy with the healer feat can still bring people back into the fight. A healer’s kit costs 5 gold and has 10 uses, so unless your “Healer” is completely broke or is bad at managing their inventory, they basically will never run out of uses.
Also, I really like using this feat with Thief Rogue. Their Fast Hands feature allows them to use the kits as a bonus action, freeing your action or allowing you to bring 2 people back into the fight each round.
It's also useful if your GM banned clerics on account on them being stupid.
The cleric in my last 5e game used Healer to great effect keeping up the party's HP between fights, since I always gave them at least 2 or 3 fights per long rest with a couple of shorts in between. Since it's not a spell, they can also use healing word or any other spell as a bonus, then heal as a main action which is pretty cool.
This with the thief subclass goes hard
Depends on if your DM rules it as being the Use an Object action.
@@thegreatandterrible4508 Jeremy Crawford (lead rules designer at WOTC) confirmed Healers Kit works with fast hands.
@@thegreatandterrible4508Using a charge of *a consumable item* not being called "using an object," as items are objects you can use by definition, is outlandish.
ESPECIALLY when the healing cannot be spammed like a spell, it happens once per Set of fights, and its not useable on that healed character anymore for the rest of that portion of the crawl. Spells are bad per cast to counteract the more spam-able nature, but are cheap to replenish due to only needing Long Rests. Healer is balanced by irrefutably not being spam-able in the first place, and requiring you to go out of your way to buy each kit, which requires limited timing and locations, or making them yourself, which requires both skill and materials that should not be easy to get just anywhere, especially considering the price tag for a full kit is 5 GP.
Aaand im out of arguments for why that interaction not being allowed by default is stupid.
@@thegreatandterrible4508 Well.... It's an object. And you use it. And it's not magical. And the base kit is explicitly for stabilizing dying characters, which heavily implies it's a standard action and could be used during combat. I mean what else would it be, a weapon? A magic item? A free action? Yeah the DM can disallow it because lmao, but the reasoning that it's not a non-magical object that you use is just odd
@@asherdevin tool use, basic healing potions, throwing alchemists fire or oil on someone. I agree that it is Use and Object, but there's ambiguity.
I actually used this to great effect, playing a bard/warlock/sorcerer raccoonfolk (pretty much just a reskinned tabaxi) who worked as a ship's surgeon (homebrew background from The Naval Code, iirc) because she struggled with healing spells during her schooling. After learning her ties to a creature from the deep (magic initiate, warlock), she learned a new way to cast spells and grew into her own more as a healer. Even still, the Healer feat is amazing, and I'd highly recommend it.
transcript for those who need it:
Zee Bashew: Brought to you by a paid sponsorship for Hit Point Press' Black Friday sale.
Hey! Y'know what's good? The Healer feat. Well, it does two different things. The first is pretty straightforward; if you revive a creature using the Healer's Kit, they regain 1 HP! The second thing is a little more involved, it allows you to heal characters _using_ the Healer's Kit. Uh, one charge of the kit can restore 1d6 plus 4 plus the maximum _number_ of hit dice the character has - the _number_ not the dice - so usually their level. But weirdly, if you do this, it says that the creature can't regain any HP from this feat until they finish a short or a long rest. Does that mean that the first function of the Healer feat no longer functions? I- I'd say no, but it's worth investigating. Anyway at early levels, the Healer Kit having ten charges each and only costing five gold is pretty amazing! But uh... I mean, you... You might, uh... Well...
_You could just play a Cleric._
Cleric Bashew: If you so much as LOOK at me weird, I'll excommunicate your ass into the _grave!_ Oh, we're four rounds into the fight! Did you attack a few times? Ohoh, good for you! Because I'm passively generating _3D8+20 damage!_ All with an action left over to do this!
*casts Resurrect*
Poor Sod: I'm alive!
Cleric Bashew: _And_ I have a little cartoon hammer! _Boop!_
*Poor Sod has been returned to the grave by a cartoon hammer*
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The Healer feat always felt more like a thing to flesh out a character’s feel than for its raw healing. Much like Inspiring Leader it’s a way to have a tangible ability tied to a background or a story point in a campaign.
My group loves the Healer feat. After a few nasty adventures, the concept of non magic healing and a combat rez available to any class has them happy.
The healer feat is insane. It heals more than cure wounds and scales as well. I once made a celestial warlock with the healer feat and decided I could have been anything with the healer feat and I'd still be insane.
When playing a Cleric having the Healer Feat makes it so much easier as you no longer have to waste your spell slots, especially at low levels, on healing the suicidal barbarian.
I've been cooking up a character for a while now centered around this feat. An actual doctor who clings onto the traditional methods of healing and despises all magic. This character had to learn medicine in an area without any clerics, and later in life clerics only seemed to barge in and take over his patients' treatment without his consent because "it's so much faster and easier this way". As for the other forms of magic, he's had to heal way too many magic-induced wounds to ever see magic as a beneficial thing. He has enough realism to understand he can't pick fights with mages and they need to coexist at times, but this character definitely doesn't like them. In terms of the actual class, probably rogue focused on ranged weapons, or some kind of homebrew. He's motivated to improve his craft and find ways to strengthen his healing potential.
Sorry for dropping an OC but I'm kind of in love with this idea.
One of the DND novels (*Brimstone Angels* by Erin m. Evans) features a scene where a nun explains why all the acolytes have to learn medicine. And it is because level 1 - 3 clerics can't heal more that 10 people a day with their spells, so saving the for dangerous wounds, or anti-dieseas magic (purify food and water) are more sensible uses of magic.
Healer feat is one of my favorite steady heals to apply without burning spell slots between fights
To rules lawyer for RAW "The creature can’t regain hit points from this feat again until it finishes a short or long rest." is a bullet pointed clause, as such only applies to its own item of the listing as they are treated as standalone completions of the "you gain the following benefits" line.
Same way how - means substitution/context replacement generally or interruption in narrative texts unlike - which would be line or word linking and affixes.
"I'm alive"
Makes me laugh every time.
Delicious healing.
This feat is godly powerful at level 1. And it is still good at level 5. Really saves on the group's spell slots.
After awhile, being a combat medic isn't enough to keep up with the dangers the party regularly faces.
“And I have a little cartoon hammer! BOOP!” My dad played clerics a lot back when he played DnD and he loved them, justifiably so. This was back in the day when Thor was an in-the-books option as a deity. God of thunder definitely makes for good divine interventions when you need it.
I used the healer feat on an artilerist artificer. She became a walking battle-support platform and field medic.
Might be my favorite video to date 😂 Well done, sir!
I think the power of the Healer feat is much less in its healing per se and much more in its "healing WITHOUT SPELL SLOTS" if your DM allows you to spend a short rest spending a Healer's Kit charge on party members, that's 5gp for a BETTER healing word AND at the end of the short rest you can STILL pop a charge on them during combat to get them back up. All without them needing to spend any Hit Dice OR you needing to spend spell slots. It's really the "no spell slots" that's the important part.
Clerics ftw
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Healer is a fantastic feat for anyone who wants to feel like they’re actually doing medicine rather than just waving their fingers and calling it a cure.
That's why I love the healer dedication in pathfinder 2e. Espeically with the added feats and stuff you can add to really spice up your healing needs
"Just play a cleric"
What about wizard book club, though?
You could possibly homebrew a way for wizards to get healing spells too.
Perhaps they gain access to "healing" spells a couple of levels later than classes that can naturally learn them (e.g. they're able to learn them 2 levels higher than the usual slot unlock requirement), and the time to learn is either increased by 1.5 or doubled. Basically, turns healing into something wizards can do or learn, but requires more experience as a caster, and practice to be able to perform through the more academic spellcasting they perform. You could even have developing healing spells wizards can cast be a more "specialised" field so your run of the mill PC wizard can't learn them by levelling up, but can learn them from scrolls, spellbooks, or wizards who specialise in the field.
If you give Healer to a rogue thief, it's pretty nice. They can use Cunning action to use the kit and still have the action left to help out.
Genuinely love this feat specifically on Thief Rogues! Fast Hands baybeee
As a frequent cleric player, I approve.
Healer is seriously powerful when you consider it doesn’t take up your spell slots, though admittedly it shines mostly in the mid levels or as additional option for a healing focused character.
Or in an anti-magic field.
Healer Feat pairs really well with the Alchemist Artificer class as a part time healer. Some decent damage cantrips, free 'healing word' spell and access to other healing spells (with extra points added with Alchemical Savant), Healer helps pad out those times you need to heal, without worrying too much about the limited spell slots Artificers get.
This might be the ultimate way the Healer feat holds value, using this in place of spell slots means those slots could be used for other spells for situations.
The other plus I give, even if it's small, is that it cannot be stopped by a counterspell or anti-magic effect.
I get so excited when I see an A.S. upload. I love these videos!
That cleric build had spirit guardians, guardians of faith and sacred weapon active so yes anything within 10 to 15 feet will “have their ass excommunicated to the grave”
Yeah clerics are op
Just made a character a couple days ago with this I’m gonna try and use in my friends upcoming phandelver campaign, hoping it’ll be fun, non magic healing should at least be interesting to see for once.
Phandelver doesn't go above level 5, so you'll definitely get a lot of traction out of this.
one of my favorite feats.
whoa your animation looks way more polished this time around. it's always a treat to watch, of course, but it's giving off extra good vibes today. wonderful work, as always
I've been wanting to RP a character with the healer feat using veterinary medicine and questionable cure & remedies.
Living for the day I can use shocking grasp to resuscitate a dying player.
Probably on more stable ground rules wise taking Spare the Dying and just RPing the effect as zappy hands. As a DM I'm far less inclined to let someone go off book with a spell effect, if a spell already exists that does that job. The fun of this moment should be in the RP, not in getting your DM to bend the rules.
I did that once.
Life Cleric with the healer feat and the doctor feat.
*NEVER AGAIN*
The stress of keeping my scattered party alive is not worth it.
I think it’s pretty clear that “creature can’t regain hit points from this feat again” point only refers to the second feature. The healer feat is bullet pointed with its two uses. That section of the feat is only in the second bullet point. If this restriction was also meant to apply to stabilizing a creature, then that restriction would be in a paragraph after the bullet points or they would include it in the opening paragraph.
The hand turkey was uncalled for in the best way.
"You could just play a Cleric" is my answer to everything. Fight me.
Hi Zee, thanks for the upload!
Video 4 of asking you to please explain what “Can a break be a bwah” meant from the Mending video
I second this motion.
My interpretation is just a heavily accented 'bomb'
I think it is worth mentioning how in OneDnd the feat amplifies all healing too!
I believe it also removed the once per rest limitation as well, but reduced the amount of healing it generates
"AND I have a little cartoon hammer *BOOP*". That killed me. Him too from the looks of it.
This feat has saved so many of my parties
Wh-what was that at the start?
A bird in the hand?
Sounds like the perfect add-on feat for a Tank whose cleric has gone down. It's healer insurance!
Your stuff is fun, thanks for making fun stuff.
I've gotten used to your shenanigans with drawing funny and weird things, but you taking on the form of a hand without any explanation whatsoever has me flabbergasted.
Cheers!
Love this, and I really need that cleric music!
The main power of this feat is the 'make someone you stableise conscious' fact
I got the healer feat with my necromancy wizard, gave me more to do in the early game when I ran out of spell slots, plus it went along with my character being a sketchy doctor.
I find that this feat makes a good backup in case something happens to your cleric. If they die in a battle and you still have to push on, I think everyone will be grateful for even the small bit of extra healing.
a friend of mine created a rogue subclass "the doctor" that had the healers feat somewhat baked into its mechanics. very precise with a scalpel and very good to have on the team
Here's a fun note that makes it even better; both uses iirc count as using an object.... something that takes an action generally.
Except for thief rogues who can do it as their cunning bonus action.
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Outside of healing magic, there's also just giving someone a potion. Pouring liquid down the throat of an unconscious and heavily injured person isn't a great idea in real life, but is apparently just fine in DnD. So the healer feat is situational, at best. Like a lot of feats are.
I'm not sure how being able to heal the entire party for like 15HP, several times a day, without spell slot cost, is at all situational. Like the situation is "anyone is hurt" which is going to come up a lot.
Wow. That Zee hand turkey isn't horrifying at all and won't be a recurring Thanksgiving nightmare for me. Thanks.
Took a rewatch to notice the cleric killing the guy he just rez'd. Brutal.
Yes, you can just play a healer. But the other characters having healer's kits and the healing feat (if they can at all spare the feat space in their build) can be very useful if the party has *one* cleric and that cleric happens to be stunned, charmed, dominated, under a fear effect, bound, entangled, or otherwise unavailable. Having a doctor is great. Having a doctor, a nurse, and a couple of medical assistants is even better.
It's honestly silly how many people forget that you can never have too many sources of healing, cause it's always possible (if unlikely) to find yourself in a situation where nobody else is available/able to do it themselves.
I love that Cleric character at the end. I hope we see more of him.
Man, I love Features.
When noone in the party is a cleric or bard, the Healer feat is indispensable.
I love the cleric at the end.
Nice! Always a pleasure
Drawing yourself as a hand turkey for a Black Friday sale ad is so smart and funny. On par with Terry Gilliam good.
Imagine a Cleric... WITH The Healer Feat. ;-)
the healer's feat is great even if you have a cleric on the party, because if the cleric fall, the guy who has the healer's feat can lift the cleric back up XD
i'm playing a cleric in my campaing, when i'm the only healer, i bought 1 healing potion and i told the group "NOW YOU LISTEN TO ME HERE... NOBODY, AND I MEAN, NOBODY! DRINK THIS, THIS IS IN CASE I FALL YOU ALL NEED TO USE THIS TO BRING ME BACK UP, BECAUSE IF YOU DONT BRING ME BACK UP, EVERYBODY DIES! UNDERSTOOD? DONT DRINK IT!"
I love every one of thses videos
I took this feat on a folk-hero hunter ranger i was playing. He had been his small town's physician prior to becoming an adventurer. He also had a taste for fine spiri- he was an alcoholic.
In my mind, I’ve always thought the Healer feat’s niche is for playing in Low/No magic settings. Then it’s actually incredible because you don’t have to burn through precious healing potions every time you get dropkicked by a bandit.
Having run a non-magic, modern post-apocalypse campaign, healer's kits can be a godsend.
Technically speaking there were spell-like abilities explained as mutations, just not straight up magic and potions.
Honestly, Healer sounds like a feat that was taken to fit a very niche style type: The Combat Medic. The person who is not really proficient in healing magics to keep their battle buddies alive (As not all people would be attainable to the Weave) but knows enough about medicine and meatball surgery to be able to keep his companions...More comfortable while dying. It kind of makes sense that a rest would be needed as the drugs in the system are still wearing off and wouldn't give that right kickback: the heal being more of a "STIM Pack!" than an actual heal. That would even work if they fall unconscious again as you can't really keep...jamming Stims into someone's neck to bring them back into the fight after the first down. Considering the Help Action is also there to do the same thing - bring a downed ally back up to 1hp.
It honestly could make for a great game if the team went for the more hardcore Low Magic setting where they would need someone like this to help them out in place of Healing Potions (due to very limited quantity) and lacking in healing magic. (Magic is great, we all love magic. We honestly cannot think of a game where magic does not exist in most D&D sessions....But there are times when the Weave just BLOODY DIES and you are left with almost no magical resources and still need to adventure on. )
sorry mate, DnD is not Baldur's Gate. You can't get an ally to 1 hp with anything but a heal. The only action that exists here is Stabilize, and it only works without a Medicine check (my god) with a healer kit.
and the first benefit, thankfully, doesn't need a short rest *until* you heal them for 1d8. Which honestly makes sense. Why Stabilize a creater and heal them to 1 if you instead could heal them for more?
When I played D&D (a long time ago) a cleric in our party would only do heals in exchange for donations to his church. He made a fortune.
Somehow this exactly captures the spirit of my cleric. Clerics are awesome 😎
I remember a cleric I had a long time ago that had chronically bad rolls on healing spells. I was so desperate to somehow supplement my magic to keep our party glued together, I took this feat.
Turns out while he was a horrible cleric, he made a great surgeon. For RP reasons, he took an expertise in medicine later on. Kinda crazy the direction things go for D&D sometimes.
I misread the title as Healer Heat and got even more excited for some reason.
hell yeah that cleric deserves a phonk walk animation
This is why I like the light cleric. They can both deal massive damage as well as patch people up. Plus, who doesn't love a non-wizard fireball?
Enough Shadow Wizard Money Gang, we need more Cleric Flex Montages
My rule for my clerics is always "If you have proven that you can objectively help me win this combat, then i will heal you. However, if you're only useful out of combat, ill give you a spare the dying. Finally, if youre a legitimate liability, I'ma bonk the bad guy with my mace. Good luck on the death rolls though"
One of my players was a Grave cleric with the healer feat. Works well, great flavor, saved spell slots
Its a great thing to throw on characters for one shots!
The words on screen with the animation made my nostalgic heart sing. For that alone you have earned the like, but then you went the extra mile by hyping up cleric.
"And I have a cartoon hammer! Boop" Well I´m sold
I really wish there was a channel like this for pathfinder stuff
Love your videos! Just started a 3.5. The party just accepted a bounty to destroy an entire Kobold mine and retrieve a Dragon egg. Secretly its a Black Dragon's egg.
It comes in handy when the cleric spunks all their spell slots doing other stuff.