Mental Health CRISIS: People STRUGGLE As Doctors Hand Out Pills Like Candy
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2024
- Jessica Burbank and Amber Duke discuss mental health in youth and doctors resorting to prescribing pills as a quick fix. #GenZ #Mental Health
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Kennedy is the only presidential candidate discussing this issue.
Read “American Psychosis”, by E. Fuller Torrey. The Kennedy’s played a significant role in the politicization of “mental health awareness”.
@@conservativecounselor277 Which Kennedy and how is that even relevant here? When most politicians do not talk about the dangers of something and some do, then even if those who do, do that for their personal political gain, that doesn't change the fact that they're the only ones who do it in public. Also, each time people blame some politician for populism or whatever, I mean, c'mon, do you seriously believe that it is more beneficial for a politician to go against the current? Do you really believe that those politicians whose voting patterns align exactly with what the various lobbying groups want, are the very politicians who are just so pure at hearts and want our best?
@@martinledermann1862 read “American Psychosis” by E. Fuller Torrey
Hospital psych nurse here. Thank you for mentioning diet and lifestyle, Amber. Jessica, thanks for mentioning pharma: you can't exaggerate how predatory they have become. You are both right about how our mental health is also linked to economics, screens, and community.
Any type of "Social Media" at an early age should be looked into. It's shaping their minds and actions. It normalizes things that aren't normal
I wasn’t allowed to have any social media until I was 13, hindsight that was way too early. And that was way back before the insane algorithms. Parents really need to try their best to keep their kids away from SM
Absolutely
Stoicism made a huge difference for me.
YES!
Life is suffering.
Buddhism for me
Jerry Seinfeld is really into stoicism and has spoken in videos about Marcus Aurelius. I haven't studied much about it in depth, but think I'll get a book from the library.
Wow. I love these healthcare and environment-centered discussions between Abby and Jessica. ❤️
So you really just love them
agreed
Agreed... as a lefty hippy type myself I have often found that this is a place we're particular strains of the right and left can agree about the problem and even on a philosophical level, even when we have differing but valid views of the possible solutions
Really? I am blown away by this discussion. These young women are incredibly mature, and they are avoiding the usual cliches when the topic of mental health is covered in the news. The link between attempts to self-medicate with drugs and alcohol, and depression and anxiety is an important one to note. @@ThisIsMyHandle333
Agreed. I felt that this conversation was thoughtful and a nice exchange of ideas. We really do need to examine how we approach mental health in this country.
Also, there have been studies suggesting that after talking about a trauma once, if you keep talking about it you can be reliving the trauma instead of healing
This was a thoughtful and intelligent conversation. Well done, ladies. 🙏🏼
I am blown away by this discussion. They demonstrate such maturity for two younger women.
I lost a child to illness and three different therapists recommended I go on antidepressants. A psychiatrist with a medical degree will prescribe medication for virtually any complaint. That's what they do. I think medications work (sometimes) for people with schizophrenia or bipolar or other illnesses caused by organic nervous system imbalances. For other people who are simply having problems living in today's malevolent society meds become just another negative in their lives.
RaysDad. I am so sorry for your loss… try using psychedelics and/or Ketamine in group formats with trained facilitators. They are very healing.
I left a long comment detailing my experience with lifelong depression, etc. and all the things I tried to no avail.
Best of luck to you!
Sorry for ur loss ❤️🩹
therapy can be a scam
I am not against antidepressants or therapy, but I wonder how many people go to those things first without even considering some self-examination to see how they are doing in terms of diet, exercise, getting outside in nature, putting limits on screen time, making attempts to socialize in person more, examining their use of alcohol and drugs, or their sleep schedule.
A lot. However it's not easy to tell what % as it's unlikely someone would want to do a proper study on that. Certainly the big pharmaceutical companies would have no interest in funding such a study xD
At the same time however, it should also be noted that the efficacy of talk therapy such as the ubiquitously and aggressively promoted CBT is highly exaggerated. Or at the very least the practitioners who certified themselves in this particular school aren't as professional as they like themselves to believe. In my case, each encounter with a CBT practitioner led to me feeling much worse than ever before. That is not to say that there aren't many people who are benefiting from it, all I'm saying it's not such a great panaceum as they make it to be.
Depression is enlightenment with out realization. ☠️
Thank you, I really appreciated this candid conversation.
Pharmaceutical companies don't profit off you healing yourself..
The push for individualism is nice, but it can be taken to an extreme.
We are social creatures after all.
The way problems are addressed in America (and most of the world) is based on which way the most MONEY can be made...it's never about helping anyone...it's always about making money. The system views people no different to how it views a sheep when they need wool...or a cow when they need milk or beef...people are a source of revenue...you look to people when you want to make money. We are all treated just like animals at the end of the day.
_"you will own nothing AND _*_be happy_*_ "_
mental wellness industrial complex.
welcome to the post pandemic world.
Wow. This is what people need to hear. Automatic medication is not the answer. Also, the glorification of mental illness is not helping anyone.
When being a victim is put on a pedestal and earns you social status ---- which is the case today ---- it is not surprising people are looking for things to be unhappy and aggrieved about. People would rather be passive and look at who to blame rather than focus on what they themselves can do for themselves today to make life better. There are almost always ways to make our lot in life better.
We talk about “Mental Health” issues.
Many of us are in some way dealing with mental health issues and depression.
When our government is more concerned with killing innocent people than helping a single one of us, and we see ourselves living in the shadows and alleyways of the country, it goes without saying that the situation doesn’t actually help.
They raise your social security by twenty dollars.
Electric goes up twenty percent, housing goes up by two hundred dollars, and then you get a notice that your food assistance is going from four hundred dollars for your family, to forty bucks…
“Depression” becomes a multi faceted term of reference.
We are starting to see people starving themselves to feed their loved ones in America.
Thanks, Bidenomics
Its all involved not one lol ffs
I think they still see mental health care as bored or obstinate Victorian aristocratic ladies. If bored medicate if obstinate institutionalise until they 'learn' how to behave accordingly.
As a former yoga teacher to the US government, Western approaches are over analytic-regurgitating and reliving trauma is insane. Yoga, yoga therapy, and life coaching is significantly more successful in both my personal growth and every person i now serve.
Most docs don’t listen. They have KPI’s to meet.
Can you guys swap out Bri and Robbie for Abby and Jessica?
Seriously. It’s been so contentious between them lately it was nice to hear an actual dialogue where they hear each other, even as they come from different views.
I actually cannot watch Bri anymore. @@circlesnare3671
Agreed about policy, which is why we should elevate instead of mock the alternative candidates that are presenting themselves. Our solution is not in the current establishment at all. They've already been bought.
I'm sure making them mask up and miss 4 years of their last years in school for no reason had nothing to do with it.
Right?!
When the hall monitors get paid to make propaganda for the school announcement
Truth. They love nothing more than listing all the reasons they believe they are victims and should not be held responsible for even the basics. They rehearse the reasons they should not be held accountable for suppressing even the tiniest impulse, but they have no clue how to study.
More doctors, nurses, and therapists. But that's a systemic problem nobody wants to address.
Wonderful discussion, ladies! Thank you for sharing your well thought out analyses.
It's good that this conversation is taking place. In my generation (X) and before it was verboten.
Can therapy cure poverty 🤔
You're just supposed to drug yourself so much you don't feel it.
Yeah its called work therapy. Work 60 hours a week with 2 jobs renting a room and save your money until a plan to improve your life shows itself.
Therapy -> improved mental health -> improved work performance -> higher wages -> less poverty
@@joeycarlin6305 Maybe. I have never seen it work in the wild. I know what I said worked because of my financial situation now. But more than one way to skin a cat I guess.
8:02 I wonder how much of that, is a deliberate ploy to allow conditions to either resolve themself, or, to allow them to deteriorate and progress to a point where pharmaceutical/surgical intervention becomes a necessity 😞😞😞😞
Amazing report. The personal stories so strong also..inspiring
"It's not the world, it's you" is the ultimate gaslighting. There's a lot to be depressed and anxious about, but the people it's benefiting don't want a change in the status quo, and they don't want people questioning our societal values. After 20 years on medication, ( which was never effective at anything except terrible side effects) I became radicalized by some particularly bad mental health care, I took myself off medications and never looked back. Pharmaceuticals are not the path. We need to find lives with purpose, build community and meaningful relationships, and stop tolerating psychopathic behavior from our so-called leaders.
Mindfulness and awareness /and Mindfulness are not the same thing
When the hall moniters get paid to make propaganda for the school announcement
I admit I'm not a kid. 66 tomorrow. But I thank God for medication for depression and anxiety. I had to start on them during middle age for very good reasons which I'm not prepared to share. The medication has helped me maintain my sanity.
I hope this doesn't turn into the next "helpful" pharmaceutical fix like opioids
This is pretty funny. the New York Times article was about making yourself sick by thinking about yourself and your situations all the time. Jessica then goes on to say how healthy it is to think about your situation all the time.
That’s literally the opposite of what she said. Tell me you don’t meditate or practice mindfulness without telling me you don’t meditate.
More young people need to Touch Grass. That would heal a LOT mental health issues.
I just read a new book called, "Bad Therapy", by Abigail Shrier. It's about this whole subject. Excellent book!! It's premise is basically that we need to get our kids out of the therapists' offices (and get the therapists out of the schools), except in extreme cases, because the young people today are not learning to overcome adversity naturally, and they're not learning to be resilient. You should have the author on Rising!
Abigail Shrier is a journalist and is not qualified to speak on mental health with any validity. She is a prime example of what I mentioned in another comment; a deluded journalist who believes that having a degree in journalism somehow gives them authority to speak and opine on matters they have no knowledge of.
@@cobracommander8133 Why is it that psychiatry is the one field that's assumed to have an immunity to criticism unless you hold a PhD in it? I rarely see this with any other field, but with this one, ohhhh no, you can't even have an opinion. Journalists or not, they are offering opinions and arguments, counter them with better arguments rather than adhering to a lack of authority as a way to silence them.
@@jovialnobody _"why is it that psychiatry is the one field that's assumed to have an immunity to criticism unless you hold a PhD"_ - Lol yes I'm sure you know exactly what you're talking about. 😆😆
It’s not the one field, and I never said it was. Reread my comment, it’s not defense of _psychology_ but a critique of journalism.
Loved this discussion ❤
1:19 Aussie-ex's mum taught meditation and mindfulness in a school: Aussie-ex grew up to have Bordeline Personality Disorder...
It's a problem being promoted as a solution 😞😞😞😞
A lot of it has to do with our new service-based 'thinking' economy. People taking pills just to keep up.
9:35 When I was at college, there was a guy who, at the end of the first year, said we may notice he had a stammer (no one had noticed) By the end of the second year, he couldn't complete a short sentence without stammering terribly almost every word... 🥴🥴🥴🥴
Choose to live beyond your problems. Constantly living in the hole of your illness only makes you dig deeper.
Easy for you to say when you aren't chronically ill and your life is consumed with medication that you need to take in order to even want to get out of bed/function as a person as well as doctors appointments constantly. You speak from privilege.
All of these drugs have bad to horrific side effects, especially the antipsychotics. I always take people's claims of depression and anxiety seriously; don't say "you're just self-diagnosing." People know themselves much better than anyone, including a mental health professional. As a person who has been in the mental health system for years, what I think would be a good model is: Unconditional income, guaranteed housing, and comprehensive Medicare for all, which includes mental health services that are outpatient and optional and that explore more progressive and new ideas in mental health therapies. Though I completely respect people's choice to try psychiatric medications, I think that forced drugging is absolutely evil and should be against the law. I respect the autonomy, dignity, and choice of people who struggle with mental/emotional health.
Just got a prescription for Lexapro and it's the best drug treatment i have been given in over 20 years for anxiety and depression
Wait till you try to get off it.
More people have more access to mental health care and more mental health problems!
It's because our system is a bad joke. You can get all the therapy and pills you want. This reality still exists because nobody will take care of the systemic corruption issue. Good luck ✨🍀🙏🌷
There are so many accessible therapies now that don’t involve talking- somatic experiencing, EMDR, neurofeedback and many more. These are growing in popularity because they do achieve results and are trauma informed which CBT and other talk therapies fall short on.
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Those therapies get in there and affect the nervous system, where trauma is “stored”
Get everybody doped up
Therapists can’t prescribe medication
RFK for president. The only one talking about mental the health. The other two need it
How come I know no one who is a patriot or conservative who are on mood meds? While like 50% of my liberal friends are miserable and on multiple medications or pills from the internet?
great discussion!
Read something online that said "Some "pseudo" scientists told us that "counseling" can resolve a never ending phenomenon". I couldn't agree more.
I always heard that Cognitive Behavioral therapy is very effective.
Many of the mental health problems stem from physical health problems. They are not caused by economic problems. Yes, economic problems can contributes to it by increasing our stress level. But the ways that we handle stress depends on our physical health. Many are suffering from mental health problems because of lack of nutrition, toxins exposure, horrible gut health and diet, high inflammation, kidney problems, bladder inflammation, brain inflammation. Its a health problem that cannot be fixed by medication or talking. And from someone that suffered from anxiety from mold exposure, its not something you can just let pass by because I used to have cry spell for hours sometimes even the whole day. I was abled to managed it by using herbs that lower stress and eating healthier or and drinking kale juices like there is no tomorrow.
They are economic problems! Lack of nutrition is an economic problem. Our system is about managing symptoms, not healing. We have very little education about proper diet, exercise, stress reduction, etc. No money in that. Drugs and surgery. Then more drugs. The capture of institutions like the American society of pediatrics and the American Diabetes Association is stunning. Look at who is sponsoring them. Follow The Money… They are fueling a lot of bad information. They say that obesity is not about a bad lifestyle. Instead they push drugs and surgery. And diabetes is pretty simple to reverse.
The problem? There is no money to be made from a healthy lifestyle.
love the personalizations leading to longer form
5:12 'Community' (Ieftist definition of) is a massively toxic thing.
People should be 100% comfortable and content while in complete isolation: If you can't love yourself, why should anyone else...
Self-fulfilling prophesy
I don't really have access to substances, so my addictions are technology based. I rarely go out since i don't have friends who live in my city. Plus, it doesn't help that i live in a Mexico border state. Really isn't a lovely neighborhood to go out for a walk.
It would help my mental health a lot if y'all would kindly let me in the US. That way, i can reunite with family and friends. I feel like guys rarely talk about their feelings to their friends. Well, it has been changing little by little if you have true friends that you can talk about almost anything with. But do guys even have those kind of friends. And then there are guys that keep everything to themselves
It’s worth considering other ways of approaching therapy than the hegemonic CBT/DBT approach. I’m always surprised by how people who are against hegemony in other areas so often support these approaches (if not also the psychopharmaceutical aspect that often goes along with them).
An alarming connection can be made between Big Pharma and Israel. Bayer and Pfizer to name just 2.
Ohhh Jessica you should read Brain Energy by Chris Palmer 💯
I take it The Hill doesn't have Better Help as a sponsor
9:12 'Anxiety' isn't a 'condition', it is an emotional state of being. People *really* need to get this into their heads that 'anxiety' is not an ongoing condition 🙏🙏🙏🙏
If people perpetually find themselves anxious, they they need to cultivate mental and emotional fortitude, not neck a load of pills 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Clinical depression, on the other hand, absolutely *is,* and if untreated, is in 100% of cases a fataI illness 😞😞😞😞
I think all this talk about mental health is a bit of melodrama. Not all, but some is just looking for emotional excitement.
7:18 This would be a great start 🙏🙏🙏🙏 A more integrated, all-encompassing approach which considers all factors would be a great thing 👍👍👍👍
PS Lovely outfit; very elegant 👍👍👍👍
try vacation therapy and if its funded by the government the better result maybe it will be.
Who would have thought that sitting around talking about your problems over and over again could make you feel bad?
Bro science had this figured out years ago... taking action cures depression... not talking
Adhd shortage
We need less healthcare since its actually sickcare. All we need is a catastrophic coverage for accidents. Flying solo from insurance companies for everything else incentivizes yourself to learn about yourself and find natural low cost or free solutions that are easier and harmonic on the body. The lived experiences of people online isnt just Tiktoc but real people with real results and that should never be brushed aside.
Less healthcare? Can you explain why less healthcare would benefit the majority of Americans who depend on it?
@@vegetablemother8909 the levels of corruption in the system cannot be addressed here. One must be very curious and find out for themselves and that takes decades to really get it. The illusion is grand.
"be seen that same day.." that was very optimistic, Jessica. from the statistics I've seen, anyway. but even if an appointment takes weeks or months, yes, it still would be better than nothing... probably. lots of people just need to be more active or make other lifestyle changes tho, imo. touch grass. but doctors/therapy can help too and may be necessary for some.
Just what is mental health?
Some people Hurt
Some people need Discipline
Some people love ❤ playing victim
Have your OWN MIND
I find it hypocritical to talk about mental health as if it were an unfortunate illness affecting a few when in reality we all know we live in a sick society where social structures and collective values undermine human health and sanity. These are unsustainable conditions for any human being. So as usual we give people drugs to treat the symptoms because we don’t want to look at the root cause. It’s the same with the physical health crisis, the surging crime, the homeless crisis. Those are all signs of a society in decay and bankruptcy but we all agree to pretend these are isolated problems to be resolved by short term means. We are collectively lying to ourselves and that’s the biggest mental health symptom of all.
Jessica has a talent for putting a Marxist spin on any subject.
2:20 Therapists cannot prescribe medication, so Amber must have made an appointment with a psychiatrist, whose primary job is not talk therapy. If she was seeking talk therapy, she should have made an appointment with a therapist, which it sounds like she thought she did but somehow ended up seeing a psychiatrist.
Furthermore, grief is a recognized condition that is distinct from clinical depression, and no therapist or psychiatrist worth their salt would confuse the two, which Amber claims they did.
Honestly, I question the veracity of this story. I'm not sure how someone could accidentally make an appointment with a psychiatrist when they were looking for talk therapy.
I had a therapist with a dual degree who did talk therapy and prescribed meds as well.
Read what I wrote above . It clarifies what you were suggesting…
The situation could be more complicated than you assume. She could easily have been at a clinic that has a psychiatrist on staff, and she was talking to the therapist.
@@jacquescousteau217That would be a very charitable interpretation of what she said, which did not indicate anything of the sort.
_“After my dad passed away so I went to see a therapist….i went to see a therapist and the first thing he said was ‘do you think you’re depressed, do I need to prescribe medication’”_ - none of that remotely sounds like how therapy or diagnosis works, let alone a therapist prescribing medication.
The media lumps them all together. I have both. Both worthless.
0:56 Self-labeling themselves???
Most people are good. In intention. Most people however support the system we live under which is based around destruction of rights, mass theft of income, and and international murderous terrorism. So in effect they lend their voice to many of the worst things in the world and become unwitting sponsors of evil in the actual actions they take.
And while we can't condemn the entirely of society, i think it is hugely important to understand that in action, most actually commit evil regularly by the the things they support, tolerate and participate in.
So in reality most people are not good people. Your dad, mom cousin and elder grandmother included. The fact you love then doesn't change that.
Does often commitment of evil make someone deserve bad mental health? Ill let you decide
The serenity prayer addresses a large portion of the issues discussed.
A privileged society problems
I used to think that. But you have to believe things are getting "better and better" for us because we are so "progressed" from a bygone, uncivilized age. Yet, we live in a culture which turns living nature into products and relationships into paid services. Theoretically, the more money you have, the less you need actual relationships. You pay for everything, and know nor depend on any one. That's a lonely, disconnected world.
Privilege is not a synonym for health or well being.
So much better when Bri is gone. It's basically unwatchable when she is on.
Yes!!!!!
7:58 the hills insurance plan sucks or she’s lying. I can call my MD and get appointment in 2 days, labs tomorrow, or an mri next week.
It depends on your area and plan. I live in a fairly large city and I have to wait months for an appointment. I don’t think she’s referring to emergency visits.
You're lucky. There are posts regularly in my Neighbors and Friends Facebook group where people talk about getting appointments for specialist docs in particular that are months down the road. I imagine the situation varies depending on where you live, too.
When there is research into how “talk therapy” may not work, what do we mean by “talk therapy”? Perhaps we are “talking about it in all the wrong ways” as she says to end the segment, or all the right ways if it drives us back to the cynicism of our only hope being pharmaceutical or finding something to blame exclusively for our troubles, like “screens”.
It may be worth questioning who backed the study and whether the NYT (known for its falsifications) was biased in its reporting.
This woman completely changes her appearance every 2 days, which seems to suggest she spends more time looking in the mirror than anything else. Tomorrow she'll be a blonde with long curly hair again.
psychoanalysis is very effective, but, it's extremely expensive so it has been completely phased out in favor of drugs, a pharmacist in a trenchcoat is as effective as the modern psychotherapist. it'd be nice to define "mindfulness" and its exact procedure, meditation done properly is very effective, however typically it's done improperly and even doing it properly it can take 6 months to see real results.
It also doesn't help when patients aren't honest with their doctors out of fear of judgement or being told they have something like narcissism. In most cases this is a unnecessary fear but it still complicates things. 😢
Psychoanalysis is not always expensive (and doesn’t have to be)! There are many clinics where psychoanalysts work that offer sliding-scales and accept insurance, especially in major cities like New York and Chicago.
Psychoanalysis doesn't help with anxiety or depression. Try a therapy that has greater understanding of the world we live in.
@@azalia423 God does not solve problems, that's why God has given the human a mind (the image of God), remember God's advice to Cain "sin is crouching at the door...but you must rule over it"- Cain didn't. Cain's ailment was a psychological ailment, jealousy and hate, a psychotherapist uses literature and philosophy (including the Bible) to remind the patient of the existence of people just like us in history and literature and how they surmounted their problems. prayers are great, but just like in the Book of Job a tangible (earthly) answer was required, Eliyahu (a human) tutored Job in its realization, Eliyahu was the relative equivalent to a psychotherapist.
@@azalia423 Apparently neither does CBT or DBT. What approach do you think has a greater understanding of the world we live in? Are depression and anxiety not about saying something about the experience of the world as a particular person is living in it?
Mental health crisis is not so much of a class problem but more of a values problem. Simply put suffering comes from disappointment and disappointment does not see how much money you have.
No, it is a class thing. Opioid, Fentayal and being poor causes immense Stress on people's lives, which leads to Mental Illness, especially considering how cold and indifferent we are to each other in America.
You think that way, Jessica because you're not chronically ill or elderly. Mindfulness has no place in the healthcare field especially when it comes to chronic pain. I've watched it fail over and over even in mental health. I feel the same way about yoga. Physical therapy which includes stretching yes it's a science and it works in many cases. Why is it that people must mix religion with politics or science? Yoga and meditation are nothing more than Eastern religious practices.
With all due respect, I think your comment shows much ignorance of all the scientific studies that have shown that yoga and meditation produce very tangible results on physiology including lowering blood pressure, lowering cortisol levels, regulating heartbeat, lowering anxiety and promoting better sleep and much more. Yoga and meditation originate from ancient spiritual traditions but can be practiced independently.
i’m sorry jessica, but- ‘have you been outside?’ is more likely to relieve your anxiety than ‘have you watched the news?’
Hey Jess maybe you can use talk therapy to deed over your families Realestate to the local tribe ?
Who chose that foundation color? Do y'all need a better in studio stylist?
Less talking, more walking.
Yeah, when I was in college and thus depressed all the time, I walked and that provided some time to think about everything and cry about it without anyone around. It was probably better than crying in the shower, since walks gave me more time to cry.
exhausting exercise does work too.
@@ghenulo I was thinking exhausting yourself out of thought (negative tapes, repetitive negativity), yeah, casual strolls could exasperate negativity and would be no solution.
Long walks work wonders for me. I’m talking about 3 miles or more. Many benefits.
Nice quote!
Luckily you two were not diagnosed as "Trans". Just depressed.
I’m hearing a lot from two people who aren’t mental health experts, with no facts or evidence to back up what you are saying about mental healthcare. This is a bad discussion
I like Jessica and Amber, but they are very dull as hosts. While more animated than normal in this particular piece, in general they are way too monotone, no offense to them, but their delivery is nowhere near as good as Bri and Robbie's.
Everyone has ADHD, anxiety and depression these days😅. I think it's just a part of being human.
It's important to follow nyt. It's also important to jump on all brand new research and promulgate it as fact and base all future decisions on it.
Buddhisms (Early Buddhist Text) Sutta could help a lot of the modern issues. People are either too afraid because they think it's "new-age" (It's been around for 2600 years) or they are too lazy (my long standing issue) to commit to the work necessary to understand your own issues. But I also see a therapist.
WOW, life is hard. Get over it. Put your big boy/girl/ it pants on and get over it.
The girl in the black her foundation is 3 shades to dark look at her neck and then face OY I've noticed the Hill as bad Make up ppl. Bris eyelashes are always comingg off etc etc
Just what is mental health?