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- čas přidán 7. 10. 2023
- In this video we are in Manchester looking at the Moss brook. We follow the moss brook into an underground culvert in this urbex video. The culvert leads to a massive chamber with a flood control penstock. The penstock is a kind of flood gate that can control the flow of the moss brook in times of flooding. The moss brook can be diverted into a diversion tunnel that leads down to the river Irk. The area is Collyhurst in Manchester. Downstream of the moss brook was a lot of Victorian industry bleach works and engineering works. This Victorian industry needed protection from floods so in the Edwardian era around 1907 this flood control was built. We see the Moss brook in full flood and we understand why the whole victorian flood defence was built. We also go to look at the penstock control mechanism via a manhole shaft. We also look at a seewer overflow pipe, part of Manchester's sewer system. This is an underground urbex video exploring Victorian underground sewer and flood culverts.
Thanks to Dean for the ‘Being Boiled’ cover. Too good Dean 😉
I to listen to it again, been some time since
hi Martin at 28:27 that's empty . . 28:39 that's full ,see the man standing on the wall , his hand in the air ,is right on top of the submerged inflow pipe , you can see the top . so when you stood at the inflow pipe the water level was 6 feet above your head as in photo the water level is at the top of the pipe .also the curved wall he was standing on is still there .
Listen to the sound of Buddha. .inspired Martin. Great video.
Ref Video Title. I'm thinking a Hydro Turbine installation.
PS: Massive Chamber = MC = 33.
Wasn't "Get Carter" on the 7inch EP?
For Martin to explore, that’s what.
😁
Hi Martin from Canada....sewer guy here for the last 20 years...those "steps" are called flights...used to dissipate the force of the flows to reduce scouring of the infrastructure. Because there is a fair amount of grit in both sanitary and storm water..
Neat, thanks for the explanation
They’re called flights cuz I drink that water up yumm yum
It is simply astounding the engineering and brickwork of that era. I am continuously impressed. Naturally your James was missed and his famous brews. Cheers
Those 1895 photos are amazing and even then you can see how things were in constant flux of change. Great video as always.
Especially the second one which was taken in 1805, twenty-one years before photography was invented.. Lol. (I'm sure it was just a typo.) ;)
Thing is Martin (bearing in mind I work in flood investigation so this is my bread and butter) you showed that the overflow was constructed in the 1900s and the industry downstream at the outfall was built possibly 1840-1890, meaning the weir wall and sluice arrangements pictured at 28:50 were there before the overflow was added. You need to look at what's *upstream* of the overflow, to find the area that's truly protected by it.
My theory as to what was happening is that when the weir wall was built, causing the stream to back up to almost the crown of the original culvert pipe, that would cause a loss of head back through the network meaning that in the spate conditions you showed towards the end, there would be nowhere for the water to go and it would flood the property/land upstream. The penstock may well have been meant more as an isolation measure to allow work to be done on the reservoirs downstream, rather than flow control, especially as you would essentially need someone sat down that hole 24/7 waiting to wind down the windlasses when a storm came. Possibly a job for a Gollum-like creature.
So TLDR - I think the overflow and penstock were added later than the industry, not just to protect the industry but to mitigate its flooding effect on the upstream portion of the brook.
Please let me know if you know something I don't - this stuff is fascinating to me and I'm very lucky to have a job in it.
Thank you, Martin & pals. For climbing into culverts, rivers & stinky sewer holes. All those spiders! Gaaaah! And the LAUNDRY OMG! I love every minute of your adventures. Cheers from New York!
At least the spiders are relatively small in England! In Australia they would span your face easily 😱
Those Edwardian and Victorian brickie's were certainly skilful guy's, great to see how it all works, those penstock valves are formidable looking things.
"Back underground again" Great start for a Martin Zero Video...... I tip my hat to all the unknown & forgotten workers that built all the infrastructure we all take for granted today. Those old B&W photos were Amazing. I bet that you all celebrated the end of the day with a long hot shower, use of the washer and dryer and a bit of body spray.....
An older map gives context. Looking at the contour lines, Collyhurst was a ravine eroded by the Moss Brook. There was even a reservoir. Looks like the whole area has been filled in to create the flat area we see today. The photo at 28.08 probably shows the old bridge within the structure of the new viaduct (dated 1905 not 1805) hence the caption of ‘stringcourse’. The arch on the right is over the Moss Brook which is about to be culverted. The wall is to probably act as a mill pond for the Bridge Mill. The square hole in the wall your photos could even be for the water wheel axle.
he said 1895 and it is dated 1895 on the photo.
@@blaze1148 ah. Mistook 9 for a 0
Even though this is a 'Jamesless' video, it's still a crackin' one Martin because it's in Manchester! All four of you have nerves of steel to go in chambers like those you show. Your newcomer and our hero from Sheffield showed no signs of being nervous I would say. Roy, well, he's just totally brilliant, the way he knows about these tunnels and drains plus his photos and videos. And finally Martin, you deserve a load of merit in organising this program - it's your channel - it's mega! Many thanks for this upload, and keep up the Manchester discoveries!
Your videos are totally facinating! The engineering that goes into building these brickwork marvles is unbelievable!! I am claustrophobic and to go where you guys go would be impossible for me, yet, I totally enjoy (from my office!) what you and your guys do. Thank you guys!!
Yes, especially that egg shaped sewer tunnel they crawled through! I get claustrophobic in an MRI machine let alone that sarcophagus!
Imagine back when and even now, the dangers the workers took building these systems and how well they're paid?!
Used to see the moston brook at the back of moston brook high school , scared me to death as I looked into the tunnel mouth.the open part of the brook was covered and filled about 1973-5 when I was at Moston Brook High School for Boys.the change from brick to concrete is what interests me the most…
Surge chamber, when the penstock is lowered the water upstream of it doesn't stop suddenly. It has to go somewhere until it finds a level and backs up in the tunnel.
It doesn’t really back up, it diverts to a different route
yeah, thats what we explained 😄👍
@thedrainmaestro I believe what the comment above is trying to say is that without additional space at the diversion the momentum of the moving water would create a dangerous effect called water hammer. If there was no chamber and the culvert outfall directly joined the brook, if the penstock had to be lowered the water pressure would rise rapidly and potentially damage the structure. If you think of the brook culvert like the barrel of a gun and the continuously moving mass of the water inside, then imagine the water suddenly stopping... bear in mind water is incompressible... the disaster writes itself.
Oh, and if you want some serious nightmare fuel, look up hydroelectric power station surge shafts.
That brick work is so perfect. I missed James and Timmy the wonder dog. Thank you Martin and team.😊😊😊
fantastic look at the engineering effort that went into these projects all those years ago.
Brilliant brickies
Watching a bunch of blokes crawling up pipes is bearable but when you add the historic content I can't stop watching. It is totally fascinating for me how you mix the now and then and makes me realise how mortal we all are and that we should embrace our time while we can. Thank you for making and posting. Martin zero should be No 1
Unreal. The brickwork is so amazing. Hats off to the people that built this.
The works is probably my favourite drain, I'd love to see Hulme Flume one day if it's still possible
Hi Martin, I remember bits of this from your earlier videos and yet there is more to show us 👏👏
That was one hell of a ladder to scale to get to the opening mechanism, looks like that went on to the surface as well.
Looks like the diversion was put in to protect the mills at times of high flow.
Well done to all of you. Have a great week!!
Impressive work they did building all this , testament of their skill
one of your best Martin - thanks - and a tribute to the engineers, architects, brickies and all the people who built these amazing Mancunian structures. Would be invisible to us without films like yours.
Interesting video as always lads.And it amazes me the engineering back in da 1800’s superb👌
Thanks team Martin for a great episode, over and out.
Loving all your vids . Making my way through watching them all. Keep up the good work.
Fantastic video Martin. Great job
Fascinating as always! Thanks Martin!
This was brilliant, Martin, thank you. I certainly appreciate you doing these things, as I no longer can.
Fascinating video Martin and Co., well done Roy for filming the Brook in full flow.
Great video, very rare to find videos like this. Thank you for your work!
Hey how are you. Love your videos 👍
Another great video Martin and gang, It’s been a while since I’ve worked in and around culverts and sewers etc and what blood, sweat and tears that must have gone into these engineering marvels. Sorry to add the boring bit (and I’m sure Roy checked them ) but always be wary of the metal access steps built into the brickwork, some can be badly corroded and weak (a bit lit the rickety bridge in front of the penstock gate), the modern equivalent steps are plastic coated. Looking forward to the next video already! (Bill Horrocks, ex BMF).
Fabulous Martin, so glad you do this and I just watch! Quite terrifying to see the Moss Brook in flood, great video Roy.
Been a tough weekend. A Martin Zero update was just what I needed!
Martin,,, So Soo!! Fascinating as always. I love your educational knowledge on these old infrastructures. I’m so interested and fascinated by the olden era of engineering. Incredible, great content as always! Thank you
Thanks Martin, this is another fascinating video.
Excellent work again Martin , brilliant workmanship by people who knew how to control the water and built things to last
We loved going with you all for this one guys. Amazing. Thanks
Wow ! Another corker. Thanks so much Martin and guys ....... sooooo interesting. Some of that brickwork is just beautiful. I couldn't help being a bit scared for you though! Even more so when I saw that old footage of Roy's ......
Great video again Martin. Very informative and interesting. Thank you
Another great video of your exploration. Thanks for this, always make my Sundays! I love the music in the background too, takes me back to my youth.😊
Great stuff Martin. I just watched the older video last week and here you are again. It's like 3 years didn't happen.
Amazing video! Keep em coming xx
Really enjoyed that. Love it when you look around these places. Thanks for taking me along. Please take care
This was very very interesting. What a complex underground construction, and so great with the supplementing old fotos and flood fotage. Thanks for sharing guys.
Back into Morlock territory - love it! Fascinating stuff as ever, Martin, and Roy's footage of the brook in full spate really drives the message home.
Another great video. Thanks for the journey.
Cheers for that. Beautiful engineering xx
Great stuff as usual. I love your stuff. It explains so many things that puzzled me when I was growing up in Manchester.
Those black and white bite pics were fantastic, thanks Martin
I used to play down there as a kid. Forgive me because I’ve only just pressed play but is it near Broadway (Dual carriageway)? There was a story of a boy who went in a tunnel and never came out we called it Damien’s tunnel. They were the days. May of been Moston Brook actually.Thanks Martin
Thanks martin great video. And thanks roy for the amazing floodwater footage at the end of the video
Thanks Martin. Great video cobber. Cheers.
My pleasure
Brilliant. One of my favourite videos of yours, Martin. The insane amount of engineering, brickwork and attention to detail that went into the construction of this network of tunnels and that penstock... Wow.
Just as a side note, I work in municipal water main leak detection and one of the things we hear a lot is that 'leaks surface' - i.e. they always appear above where the leak is. No they don't. They seep underground and run into structures like this!
Another fantastic video and I just love the engineering in these hidden worlds. Thanks for sharing
Good adventure, taught a thing or two about Victorian/Edwardian engineering. Glad to see Marcus again.
Fantastic vlog as always. Uncovering what's under neath the ground we stand on and understand the water sewers
Didn’t expect to hear The Human League’s ‘Being Boiled’ as part of the soundtrack! Amazing video as always, thank you. The engineering is mind blowing.
Great stuff as usual.❤
Great video as usual Martin. You have one of the best history channels on CZcams. 👍🇬🇧
If I were a euro lottery winner with millions on hand, I would fund a project to have swaths of Greater Manchester reproduced in Unreal Engine 5. Except you would be able to travel to different times in past as well. Then you could see in great detail and in VR, what it might have looked like.
Edit: When shit happens, the Victorians new how to handle it.
Without you guys Mr Average like me has no idea what is down there. Fascinating. You all get the big balls award from me. Many thanks Martin.
Cheers Dave 👍
Love the tour and history presentation!
Thanks. Wonderful video.
Thanks Martin, Roy and I thank you all. I've always loved history. This is how history should be taught in schools, so we never forget where we came from. We forget our history at our peril Martin and I thank you all once again for bringing it to life.
Yay back to the rivers :D Thanks for this one Martin.
Great Stuff Martin
What a lovely video, I take my hat off to you for exploring and showing us all the wonderful history of the area. Keep safe.
That brickwork is insane. Another great video Martin!
Martin; "This time we're crawling through sewers".
James; "Nah. I'm working. Honest".
Martin; "What about the brew?".
James; "Arron can brew up".
Martin; "But he's not been trained".
James; "Training apprentices is extra".
This was a great video. I've been a fan so long of this channel I remember the works shot in 2019 you showed! Thank you!
Hi Martin great to. watch very informative your one on the Williamson tunnels had the honor to go down them many years ago before they were opened to the public keep up the good work bobby the bootle buck😊😊
Martin you videos are always an educational cinematic adventure
Loved that,
Thank you
🙌
You made a very interesting video. Thank you for uploading.
Awesome, your very brave entering those culverts, the clips from Roy demonstrated the power of floodwater very entertaining video, thanks for posting.
Thank you Martin for exploring the tunnel
That was a fun episode.
Hello, and thank you glad you enjoyed
This is urbex gold! Well done chaps 👍
Fantastic location and informative video!
What an incredible piece of water management. Thanks Martin, God bless
Top notch content! Fascinating stuff
Thanks you Martin for nice video see you next time
Great video, amazing photography, the mineral deposits were amazing, the brickwork and engineering is very interesting saying that it's under ground and rarely seen
Outstanding that Roy thought to take those videos of the flood stage!
Lovely video , never cease's to amaze me these underground structures and the design and workmanship of them silent hidden monument's to those who built them.
Clay kickers?
Fantastic video which compliments your previous videos of this area. So much architectural history left to be seen beneath the horrible concrete jungle we now call Manchester. Thank you guys so much for showing us these hidden gems 👍🏻
Aaaah the Irk Valley.... home :D
I especially love how fascinating the remains are down Sand Hills. Every time I am walking there I think of your footage and explores.
Excellent video.
Great video - well worth recording for history (scary outflow in flood)
Great video as always 😄😄
I have to agree with everyone's comments. Another plus is, you have created an inspection video, for the engineers that maintain the area. Good job.
Great video thank you 😊❤👍
Love your videos Martin ❤
Listen to that water flow. Rather you than me Martin & co! But fantastic to tag along via video! Don't blame you for your nerves Aaron...... scary stuff! Fantastic too, but as much for making you wonder what's in people's minds when you see what's been left on other people's previous visits! 😳But regardless you have to just wonder at the engineering skills and construction skills of the past! What amazing secrets there are hidden under the roads and pavements we travel along! Well that was tense and exciting. Thanks all of you!
Outstanding Martin love your videos
Thank you Mark
Love the background music Martin. Could say you 4 are the Human League.
If it got hot down there they'd be 'Being Boiled'.
Wow! An incredible video, stay safe.
Love the underground ones the most. Though that little sewer and those two pipes looked a bit too claustrophobic for me! 🙂 Incredible, too, to look at the old maps and imagine the lives of the hundreds of folks living in those crowded streets, now lost to time.
Excellent diagram, much appreciated
Very interesting! Thanks.