Everything Endwalker did WRONG in Final Fantasy XIV
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- čas přidán 6. 05. 2024
- Endwalker did a lot of things well and I think is very good for the game. These are the things that I think SE dropped the ball with on FFXIV. I love Final Fantasy, I just want to see it improve and be the best game possible! Enjoy!
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Technically EndWalker expansion in itself wasn't really the problem but the post patched content.
I tied the patch content to Endwalker but I suppose you are right
About criterion, you never needed to be BIS to do them (people like to assume things I guess, the min ilvl to enter criterion was the current raid min ilvl). I did Sil'Dihn in full rinascita gear (and my group was full rinascita also), rinascita being Abyssos min ilvl. Criterion Savage on the other hand I don't really know what the minimal requirements are, but BIS helps that's for sure.
Otherwise, yeah sure, Criterion NM should be the first wave of catch-up gear, be it with more supply of twines and stuff or a set of their own, but we need more horizontal prog and earlier.
I agree with everything you said!
It's true that Endwalker had some issues, and all said here are pretty much what most people have been saying, including me. For Dawntrail, I'm hopeful many of these issues will be improved on, as the one of the main goals for Dawntrail and beyond is to make multiplayer content more fulfilling. There's gonna be a new Eureka/Bozja-type Field Operation, which I'm very excited about, and I'm hoping the DT's Relic Weapons revolve around it. I also expect Variant/Criterion Dungeons to get a more meaningful reward structure, though I still think it shouldn't overstep the rewards from Savage Raids. One solution could be, that the gear received from Criterions may be of same item level like Savage Raid gear, but that Criterion gear is missing some property, that Savage Raid gear has.
As for the 2 minute meta, I can live with it, but I also wouldn't mind if it is reworked or even removed completely. Although I can't really say, what can be done with it to make it more interesting.
Overall, I believe Dawntrail will steer FFXIV into the right course, as Yoshi-P himself has taken some of these issues very seriously, and the stress that this game needs more, but in a way that the game doesn't become more difficult, will come.
They have already talked about most of my issues with the game so hopefully DT delivers!
Hello, fresh new player here
shb’s jobs had way more diversity over the stuff we have now especially because of the 2 min meta. classes like astro, summoner, samurai, etc. didn’t feel like the same job after 5.0 more like a distant cousin, thats why people complain about the jobs lacking in diversity since they’ve all become the same thing kind of. healer mash 1 button until your big damage button comes up, tanks do your usual 1 minute burst, and dps their 2 mins ofc
I am glad you had a blast! FFXIV is still my favorite game I just want it to be the best game possible. Thank you for sharing your perspective with me!
This is not really a -everything endwalker did wrong.
and rather just a personal wish-list.....
I was looking forward to a quick analyzation of the expansion personally.
So, this title is very misleading.
I mean I can see your point but like I disagree. I said things I found wrong and who I wish they would change. Things being wrong is subjective always cause opinions differ from person to person.
Things I said wrong were
Jobs all feel the same
2 minutes meta is bad
Activities dont feel hard
Rewards fall short
Criterion Dungon has high barrier of entry and no rewards
Island Sanctuary missed the mark
The only thing I did not mention is the weak 6.1-6.5 story
I know that I said a lot of things i would like to see improved but this is very far from my personal wish list
That being said I will keep this in mind and try to be better in the future
Oh I am certain your actual personal wish list is far longer.
as for wrong being subjective...I'll have to disagree to know if a feature hit the mark or not can simply be done, by placing cons versus pros. But that's personal opinion.
But your video is like 80/20 with you going on about what could be done different , with only like 20% actually focusing on why it is wrong,
But that in itself can just be my perspective of how I normally see a Video title about something being wrong or really what didn't work.
Your video also feels too short and cramped together Ironically just like Endwalker.
In your kind of content's case I feel you would really be able to shine, with instead of cramping a whole expansion into one 20mins video (example)
Perhaps making one video per subject on like 5-15mins where you dig your teeth into some of the broader aspects of the expansions.
Again just a personal opinion.
@@ZeeTM
I love this feed back! I also like how we had a normal conversation rather than it feeling like an argument 😊 I agree with but I tend to try to keep videos shorter on purpose but maybe long form is better. Essentially for a topic like this!
I've been playing since 1.0, and I found Endwalker to be the worst to play through, somehow. A good deal of that is burnout, but...
So, for me, the biggest issue with endwalker is how they do design. And this happens on multiple levels.
The tl;dr is that jobs are overly similar to the point of every job feeling redundant and boring after a while, difficulty is currently borked, and all content having an identical design philosophy.
Job design: right now, jobs feel very static and boring. The vast majority of jobs have hyper static rotations that just are not interesting to do over and over again. To make this more awkward, they all kinda feel very same-y. The tanks all feel very similar, the healers all feel almost identical, etc etc. Every class is built around a 2 minute raidbuff window. So on and so forth. Now, at a glance, these are very solid designs for rotations, but... It gets more awkward when you realize how little variance there is between jobs. For example: there is never a reason to pick one job over another for a fight. In older expansions, you would bring a bard along for resource regen. Didn't need it? You can bring something else. Smn was the god king of AoE, so in trash heavy boss fights it was top tier and could actually make up for other jobs that were bad at aoe. Fight had a lot of magic damage? Bring a dark knight. A lot of physical? Paladin. Don't know? Warrior. So on and so forth.
Content design: all content is extremely similar and falls into one of 2 camps: dungeon design, or primal design. In dungeon design, you get your 2 trash pulls that have absolutely no gimmicks beyond aoes to dodge. In older expansions, you had stuff like waves of water pushing you back that you had to watch out for. You had falling traps that inflicted vuln up that you and your party could get so you could speed stuff up by baiting monsters into them. There were basic puzzles and whatnot to make it so dungeons weren't so basic.
For boss design, all bosses are basically the same. They have the easy mode demonstration of mechanics in the first half, and then advanced versions of mechanics in the second half. Each on an individual basis. The end result is every boss is pathetic for the first half of the fight then ramps up massively. This got to an insane point in the P7S fight, which I hold to be one of the 2 worst fights they have ever designed (the other is bismarck EX, aka literally nothing more than dps checks. Fight was an absolute nightmare during launch window, and has now been rendered mindless from sheer stat increases/potency buffs since then making it among the easiest fights in the game).
For P7S: this fight is something like 13 minutes long or something absurd. The first 9-ish minutes of the fight are pathetically easy, and then you get 3 sets of mechanics that require you to analyze the entire arena and figure out where you need to go immediately because you have around 3 seconds to get there. If absolutely anyone messes up, you probably wiped. While the patterns are static, where you need to go to solve them is basically pure RNG, so no prepositioning. Because the fight is so god damn long, on re-attempts wipes are more likely from sheer frustration or zoning out. Difficulty should not go from a 1/10 to a 9/10 in the same fight, and not just arbitrarily at the like 9-10 minute mark.
This can be further seen with design in general. Content right now tends to be extremely easy, with occasional bursts of high difficulty. Nothing released in EW was as hard as Alexander's harder fights back during HW, but it sure doesn't feel that way because most content is a snoozefest and even most individual fights are pathetically easy until some specific mechanic kicks your ass. Fights should not be a 1/10 or 2/10 on the difficulty scale for 95% of a fight and then jump up to like an 8/10 or 9/10 for some specific mechanic. Made worse because they've started including a lot of mechanics that are basically checks for how many party members are alive. 1 person dead? Wipe. Everyone up? Here is 5 damage, passive regen will heal it up.
I agree with a lot of things being said here. I think you nailed the it on the head and sums up a lot of the things I was trying to say!
You got some negative comments but I agree with your suggestions and you’re being fair and constructive. There’s no need to aggressively defend a product we all pay for, the community needs to rein it in, otherwise the game will never evolve.
I try to see it both ways. I know that some of the thing that I might want shouldn't be in the game just because I want them to be or might be bad for the average player but I still think its worth pointing out the problem. I say these things cause I want the game to be better.
For island sanctuaries, I would have liked a bit of free building on the island, like a mini version of ARK or Conan Exiles on the island. Although my only real complaint wasn't even mentioned here. I would have liked the story to be more spaced out than it was. Break Endwalker into 3 expansions, have Garlemald be its own expansion, culminating with the level 83 trial. Then put the rest in a second expansion. And an entire expansion should have been devoted to the post endwalker story too. SOOO much potential just compressed into one expansion.
I agree so much!
Fun fact Endwalker is actually two expansions smashed into one.
the original plan was to have a Garlemald focused expansion.
However the devs feared it would not give enough variety so to the took the concepts of the second expansion and slammed it into the first one, creating end-walker.
It is possible that we were supposed to end the main story by fighting Crystal mum or darkness dad.
and then dwell more into the final days, to the fight mum at the last patch before the next one, upon which we would then work towards getting the ship together.
Basically Garlemald didn't have enough meat to the bones, and as such they went with the current endwalker.
@@warllockmasterasd9142 There could have been plenty with Garelemald, Ilsebard is a big place.
Ive never played FF14. Was thinking about getting into it. But my entire youtube recommendations on the game are negative takes and memes about how some of the jobs are hated/boring. So now I dont know if i should even download.
What an interesting way to encourage and onboard new players.
As someone who has played since nearly the beginning, they have catered far too hard to a vocal minority that refuses to put in any effort, and have destroyed a lot of the jobs in the game as a result. They have acknowledged at least a little of this in recent interviews, though, so there is some hope that the jobs get overhauled in the new expansion to be less mind numbingly boring. Healing got the worst of it. Damage in XIV is so predictable that you spend the majority of the fight doing damage as a healer... But instead of the interesting damage toolkits of literally any other MMO, they gutted the damage kit to a single 30 second DoT, and a single spam DPS spell to "make it easier for non healers to pick up the healing role". Their actual words on that. Basically focusing on the exact type of player you don't want healing in the first place. It's pretty terrible, and something we all hope gets reverted back to how it used to be ASAP.
I love FFXIV don't get me wrong. I made this video talking about the things that I think could be improved on. You can always see for yourself with the free trial.
Yeah I think it got over correct.
Its because its not very common among xiv players to consume youtube video or streams compared to other games and there aren't alot of ppl that make content about the game so only time someone decides to make a video its either rage bating or they have something to rant about.
We already had the whole "FF good WoW bad" era and got old so making video just to praise the game that most ppl agree its pretty good is pointless.
but your rotation does change if you have more skill/spell speed, and you start experiencing whats called drift in your rotation as your burst no longer lines up with the 120 second raid buffs. You have to figure out how to realign yourself in order to fit your burst back into that 120 second window, effectively changing your rotation.
IMO your rotation does not change at all. You just do things faster. I mean change the order of which abilities are used. Getting 1 more 1,2,3 before your 2 minutes is not really a different rotation in my eyes but I see your point
nah its not like that, if you have more speed it does not affect your cooldowns at all, only your GCD, with every job you mostly press all your cooldown buttons as they come up, it doesnt matter which point your GCD rotation is, you just press that % damage buff everytime it comes up so it doesn't drift, speed does not affect it
Regarding the Deep Doungen.
You do know, that there is Palace of the Dead, where you can Start to level your class even with low Level?
The Leveling with Deep doungens would be "Palace of the Dead" Until lvl 60 or 70 (I'm not sure, which Level exactly it is), then you could run "Heaven on high" and finish it with "eurika orbos" (or how the New Deep Doungen is called).
I know all about Deep Dungeon. PoTD ends at 60 but you can go in at LvL 1. HoH needs you to be level 61 and ends at 70. EO is 81-90 and ends at 90. I just don't like the idea that I need to be LvL 81 to start it. Doesn't mean I am right or that it needs to change. I just don't like it.
@@ZeeTM Well, if Orbos would already be allowed at a low Level, then there wouldn't be a reason to do PotD or HoH, but when HoH ends at lvl 70 then Orbos should be accessable at lvl 71, so that the gap between Deep Doungen 2 and Deep Doungen 3 disapears.
@@Kylar195 i disagree cause they all are different and have unique things tied to them.
It's easy to complain it's difficult to offer solutions
there is a lot of solutions out there that playerbase has given, but SE is too scared to change the formula, so they just stick with it.
like gearing for example, for gearing you can have it so you don't only get BiS from savage/tomes, you can have it from criterions or some other kind of content, also the whole substat system needs a rework anyway so if they would rework the substats then it would be a good time to change how you acquire your gear and BiS.
then for example content itself, in the video it was stated that EW combat was way too easy and jobs are boring and similar, well that is easy to solve, make fights harder and more punishing, make it so you die more easily for not learning mechs, SE is way too focused on keeping the game balanced so all the jobs are boring and samey, just say fuck it and embrace the fun aspect of the jobs, that is how it was used to be, jobs were different and gimmicky, some jobs were better and some jobs were worse, but in the end everyone was having fun, now nobody is enjoying the jobs but hey, atleast they are balanced...
in the end it is our, the customers job to complain so SE can figure out solutions, but there has been a LOT of solutions thrown out there in the social media how things should change, but SE is too much of a coward to change things, like how with DT they did not rework or change jobs, they just gave it the same EW treatment and just added stuff to them, this is again a wrong decision, because people are bored with the job designs and combat loop already and now were going to have 2+ years the same still
this is going to be a big one and this is MY OPINION so if you don't agree thats fine.
so, in my opinion Endwalker as an expansion was horrible, like so horrible that if it was removed from the game i don't think there is a single aspect of it that i would miss, i genuinely despise EW as an expansion so much that i cannot wait until this shitstorm of an expansion is over.
so why is it like this for me? well the content was bad and really low effort, the patches were the same they have always been, job design is awful, gearing is boring and awful, a lot of content was just copy pasted from older content, devs focused too much on making the older dungeons and expansions soloable so the actual max level content was worse than it needed to be among a lot of other stuff.
so what was the good stuff of EW? The main 6.0 story (HOWEVER the MSQ should NEVER be considered when ranking expansions, why? because its a thing you only play once that takes around 10 hours to do and then you forget it, its not actual content, its the gate to the actual content), DSR ultimate (tho most of it was done in ShB anyway so dont know can it really be called EW content), criterion dungeons and music
and now the bad things: job designs, gearing, pandaemonium raids, TOP, relics, island sanctuary, dungeons, criterion dungeon rewards, orthos deep dungeon, 6.1+ story, alliance raids, extremes and maybe some other things, i genuinely cannot remember other stuff from EW if there was cause i just don't like doing EW content.
now why are these things so bad? trying to cover as much as i can but lets see
job design is awful and they need to be reworked, the jobs should be more about fun factor not the balance SE is obsessed with keeping the jobs balanced so that is why the jobs are so dead atm
gearing has been boring and problematic for a long time now since SE is too scared to make actual changes to substats and gearing process.
pandaemonium was a disspointment of raids, first tier was extremely hated and forgetable, there was not a single fight that i can remember fondly, it was just boring, second tier was widely hated tho TBH its my most favourite tier, full of experimental things and higher boss damage which was fun and new and we need more stuff like this, personally i hated the 3rd tier just felt really boring and lack of actually good ideas, P11s was fun because it was basically just a E11s with a paint coating, so it was good fights because E11s was a good fight, it was not new or unique.
TOP is awful ultimate, it was buggy when it released, it had way too high of an DPS check that relied on luck that you critted enough to clear it, there was a bug in phase 5 where a tank could just get nuked by the boss cuz you would have magic vuln from mech before it and she would auto you to oblivion, i have no idea how the hell that got through testing, TOP just felt rushed and not tested, its badly designed ultimate
relics are the worst thing about EW for me, relics should be a fun grind to make you waste/spend time between patches, instead they were just generic tome grinds, i have done so many roulettes that i never wanna do a single roulette anymore, actually the worst "content" in the entire expansion
island sanctuary started good, but then SE didnt know what to do with it and just kind of forgot about it, just giving it small upgrades but left it to rot after that, tho i never really wanted that stuff in XIV, if i wanna play animal crossing i go and play animal crossing, i dont wanna play single player animal crossing in MMO
do i need to even say anything about dungeons? the formula is the same for all of em, the bosses are boring and just do very basic moves and its just something you do while bored or/and are watching youtube
Criterion dungeons were fun, but there was no point doing em cuz there was no actual rewards for em, SE has struggled to put any kind of reward for hard content for years now, since they are afraid people would get mad if they put any kind of unique stuff there, that is why you can actually buy and sell the rewards from criterion in market board which is dumb af
IMO orthos is the worst DD, its annoying to do and it really shows that its EW content, enemy autos don't do any damage, but every mech you do wrong one shots you, its boring and unfun to try and solo, older DD:s let you recover somewhat if you fucked up a little bit and made you show some skill for knowing which enemies you can and cant take on
6.1+ story was just bad, anyone who has not played FF4 will not care about it and it was the most boring filler arc ever
alliance raids were boring and too easy, there was some cool fights but lack of any kind of punishment made it so tiring that i only cleared them once and never went back in there again unless i got it from roulettes
same thing with extremes, just really boring and sameish mech, in/out, stack, spread, clockspots, the same dance every single fucking time, its so boring and tiring, its not exciting or fun
in the end EW was just a horrible expansion with nothing of interested that makes it memorable, people will remember the story and music probably, but actual content? hell nah, that stuff will die right as DT comes out, it will not age well and i dont think many people will ever touch that burning trash of an expansion content, Endwalker had high hopes but the expansion and care for it was all time low, devs obviously didn't care about EW as much as they did other expansions, they just wanted stuff out quick without actually properly testing nor thinking about it.
SE has promised a lot for Dawntrail but don't get your hopes up, EW was hyped way too high and expectations were through the roof, in the end it was the most miserable expansion this game has had, im already quite a bit dissapointed with Dawntrail, Yoshi-P calling it "the second reborn of the game" and whats the first thing they say? "we don't want to "break" the jobs in DT so we're not gonna change them, only add to them" so they are not changing anything and keeping things exactly the same... woooo... what a change/reborn of the game, just shows that SE has learned nothing in EW, i cannot wait to see what other dogshit stuff were getting in DT and people still defend their asses.
so yeah, im pretty pissed about EW and i don't like how SE is handling the game
I think all opinions are valuable. I agree with a lot of things here but might not view it as harshly as you did but that doesnt mean you are wrong. I love that you said you wish jobs were fun over having balance. I see that said a lot. Also even though I didn't mention it but the post-patch content is just FF4 and as much as I love FF4 I don't really want to see the exact same story again in FF14
@@ZeeTM the post story is not that good especially people like me who has never and will never play any other FF titles, so FF4 fanbois/girls were really hyped about golbez and the archfiends while i was just "WHO?"
the main thing i want to see change in is pvp, its so fucking bad.
u can basicly only que for the frontlines once a day to get a few points to buy the regular pve gear with. (all the other stuff only gives glam and most stuff u cant even que for because noone is doing it) frontlines should be team vs team, 3 teams is just waaay too much its not fun, also a 3 team ffa requires way too much tactics, 80%that que that dosnt even wanna pvp and just get the daylie over with. its just a huge clusterfuck and u can bearly see who your target is. also the fact that everyone has 3 heals ??? why ?? it feels so fucking dumb to try to kill someone and that guy ist just healing all the damage you do and than runns away without even beeing a healer and healers .. omg you cant even kill a healer solo you prolly need like 3 ppl to even kill one, maybe u can kill a healer with 2 ppl if its the right classes and u wanna spend 1-2 min doing it. all that stuff basicly forces huge zergs of ppl killing guys one by one, also why do classes in pvp only have like 5 skills ??? just why ?? i mean i get it noone ques for pvp so u make lvl 20 ppl que with the lvl 90 ones but imagine pvp was actually fun more ppl would que and u could have lvl 90 pvp and low lvl pvp. also in genereall pvp should deal way more damage in pvp, prolly like 20% more damage for everyone (maybe even 30% for pure dps classes) imagine there was 2v2 or 3v3 arena type pvp in this game and ppl didnt have a heal to just outheal everything, imagine u had 90% of your skills working in pvp it could be so much fun but pvp is just dead, its so sad.
also give ppl a reason to do pvp, make the smallre battlegrounds rewarding make them daylies too where u can farm some pve gear there is just no reason to do them besides some glam, so its just dead once the few ppl that want the new glam are done farming it. it just makes me sad that SE dosnt give a shit about pvp.
I was trying to tie it to things that came with just Endwalker but I agree Pvp needs to be looked at!
I think that's just a matter to que, when people are active.
though CC is more fun anyway for the pvp experience.