Multi-Challenge Winners and the Debate of Elimination
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It seems like the debate of eliminations is always brought up when a queen with multiple wins is sent home. So let's talk about it!
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If track record mattered, there’d be no need for a lip sync. Ru says it every episode: it’s a queen’s last chance to impress her and save herself from elimination.
Period!
Completely agreed. If they took into account track record only to decide whos stays, queens wouldn’t try. Lip sync for your life, when done well offers an element of surprise, serves as a second chance for all queens , and has also given us plenty of fierce battles that simply would not exist if the queens were not put on equal footing.
I feel track record matters only if the lip sync is somewhat even.
@@SheaMF or if they’re really close to the end of
@@SheaMF Right, I think it can be a great tiebreaker especially if one queen has been in the bottom more times. But overall, if someone (like mhiya) obliterates the lipsync they really should stay in any case.
Queenha yamasaki getting eliminated with 26 wins 😢😢
Sasha Colby could never
The vixen did do gravity defying moves though ❤
Loosey laduca with 25 wins could never
@@abjoluteAND 67 mini challenge wins don't forget
Ugh I cannot stand drag race fans sometimes - going out of their way to send a queen hate just because they sent a fan favourite home. They don’t have power over the judging y’all 😭
Especially when it is 100% fair for once! I REALLY didn't like it, but it was definitely the fair decision!
Respect to the team for having faith in the rest of the cast
Reading comments on this whole video and it's so clear the fans sending queens hate are here and justify flat bullying as 🤓-ass condescending "opinions" you're oppressing by calling out
I know!!! I feel so bad for Mhi’ya from all of this, she’s amazing :(
I've always took Ru's "Last time to impress me" kinda literally, for example i think Amanda definitely did better than Q in their lipsync but not enough to impress Ru, so she chose Q regardless bc of her track record/potential designs. In this case if hypothetically Mhiya didn't did as amazing but still beat Plasma, i think Ru would've kept Plasma, but Mhiya ended up turnin it up.
This is it!!
this was so satisfying to read
Agreed
100% yess
THIS is the take
Special note: Keta Minaj was a triple challenge winner casualty-not by the track record but by favoritism, which led to the indefinite hiatus of Drag Race Holland.
The phone girl did beat her in the LIPSYNC fair and square.
@nathans.5911 however there was the precedent in that season that someone could stay because of their track record regarding them losing the lipsync. And even though Vivaldi ate, she should have been disqualified in the previous episode.
@natdynamite You are very correct. It even felt like it was for nothing because Vivaldi got the axe before the final lipsync so what was the reason ? The only one I can think of is Vivaldi did properly beat her tbh there's no question there. The decision to not DQ miss girl is on the producers though miss phone just did what she thought needed to be done
@natdynamite Also you are right they saved Countess when she gave NOTHING . Keta at least tried and Vivaldi already was btm2 1x and maybe had 1 or 2 wins . I remember her being more of a bridesmaid in the first half of the season
@@nathans.5911no,the reason is vanessa is envy peru’s mother and she is a trans woman.Stop trying to rationallize it they crown people to better represent the brand.That s why they have so many black and trans winner. A white cis man hasn t been crowned since aquaria and that sucks cause i want a white man to win
I would have so much less of a problem with the lip sync alone being the decision maker if it was consistent. It just isn’t. They pick and choose when that matters and that’s why people get annoyed.
Ehhh for the most part even if I disagree with a lipsync outcome I can still sort of see how they turned it out and chose the better track record girl to stay like with Q vs. Amanda.
With Mhi’ya vs. Plasma though it was just too obvious the other queen couldn’t catch up even with editing tricks and those are way more palatable then “very close but track record wins” type of lip syncs.
Here's the thing. The way they edited Plasma all season up to that point, it never made her feel like a frontrunner. They've made Q, Plane, Nymphia and Sapphira all feel like frontrunners and despite Plasma getting 2 wins, it never felt like she never had a shot of even making it to the finale with how they portrayed her and i wasn't surprised at all when she went home
I find it funny that they went "lip sync should sent home regardless" with plasma but with amanda and Q it was " well but Q was doing so well up until this point". Like pick a struggle.
I think they just saved mhi’ya to get us to complain about it online
The day the fandom puts their energy sending hate to queens into supporting their faves is when the queer community can truly heal
Saying that Mhi'ya can't do anything but flipping is hate or just truth?
@@tocadohawke and if I say that Plasma can't do anything that isn't old people related then what?
@@donniesumling8549 you would be lying lol
@@tocadohawke and what's your proof? What challenge did she win that didn't require old-school knowledge? Quickly
@@donniesumling8549 not being in the bottom like 3 times is quite a good track record
Season 1:
- Ongina: GAG
Season 3:
- Shangela: Not particularly gaggy, she was sent home by Alexis who had done better overall.
Season 4:
- Willam: Disqualification GAG
- Latrice: Not particularly gaggy considering how eager the judges were to throw her in the bottom
Season 6:
- BenDeLaCreme: Honestly pretty gaggy considering how Ben’s performance that episode wasn’t necessarily bad
Season 7:
- Max: Gag of the century with early it was and how Max’s track record/portrayal were complete opposites
- Katya: Even gaggier with how she had had such an incredibly strong storyline
- Kennedy: Gaggy because she had performed so strongly the whole season and in that last challenge AND didn’t have the weakest track record of the top four
Season 11:
- Nina West: I honestly can’t say whether or not this was a gag because on the one hand the writing was on the wall, but on the other Silky’s time definitely seemed like it was up on that episode
Season 13:
- Olivia Lux: Not very gaggy, considering that she had been in the bottom three or two five episodes in a row
Season 15:
- Loosey: Simultaneously a GAG because she should’ve won both of the challenges that she was in the bottom for, not a gag because of her villain storyline
Season 16:
- Plasma: GAG
loosey should not have won any of those challenges 💀
You can argue for Lucy not in the bottom... But winning ? Oh...
How the hell was Loosey dragged for her Frankie Grande interview when she had de best chemistry out of all of them. And in the makeover she made her partner literally look like her... even the producers thought she was Loosey! She was done real dirty
@@venzivenzivenzi Loosey should've won the interview challenge, but producers thought it would be funnier to not make her a 3 challenge winner, instead they made sasha have that title.
@@venzivenzivenziGirl, they ALL looked like their queens who did them up except for Luxx, but out of the 4, Lucy's had the most boring outfit. Naomi called it boring, Bianca said she didn't like the outfits, Monet said she liked it but it WAS second to last in the ranking, all three of them won makeover challenges.
Amanda vs Q: 👁️👄👁️
i’m half way thru and i’m still waiting for him to talk about it 😭
Exactly like even if you think track records matter or don't. Amanda still beat Q imo 🫠
I think Ru was very over with Amanda’s underdeveloped aesthetic and even though she did well, she didn’t impress Rupaul.
@@zayajazz817Nobody can save Amanda from her hideous underdeveloped drag. It's an early episode. Still don't get the fans hype of her, except milking her drama with Jane.
@@Beefnachos I mean, what would Amanda had to offer moving forward in the competition? A lovely personality doesn't make you win challenges. Q stayed fair and square.
I was pretty disappointed that Nina West got eliminated over Silky. It was a terrible lip sync song to begin with and I think Nina did better honestly. I knew Silky was a production darling and I really have come around to like Silky, but I was hurt Nina went home because she was such a positive force. It was clear production didnt care much about Nina though. That magic show from Nina is legendary.
They both had 2 wins and they both did bad in that lip sync could of gone either way
It wasn’t…
@@demeliou3844yeah but Silky didn’t deserve her win for the rusical
No Scrubs is a quintessential lip sync song what are you talking about.
@@medusa7690your treating your opinion as fact by striking off a win to say she has less wins is unsurprising from your type of fan. "If I say it's like this it's unfair! 🤓"
it was very important for Plasma to not be on the Groovy Power episode
LMAO
honestly??? after what we saw of Q??? she might've been able to do something with it lol.
I'd love for you to do a deep dive on mini challenge wins, specifically how they are used for storytelling purposes, whether it be setting frontrunners early on and/or swaying perception of viewers outside of main challenge performances.
Nymphia's mini challenge win for the water spitting really stood out to me as "clean up"/redemption after her bombed snatch game.
oh hell yeah, seconded, I would love this!
Imo, I think the thing that frustrates a lot of people about Plasma’s elimination is the inconsistency with judging of lipsyncs within the same season. Majority of drag race viewers agree that Amanda won her lipsync against Q but still got sent home because Q had a better track record (which you yourself have pointed out in previous videos saying it was a bad choice for storytelling purposes). However, here plasma has the better track record but Mhi’ya gets to stay because she did better in the lipsync. I think people still would have been upset with plasma’s elimination but I don’t think the debate on “is track record or the lipsync performance more important?” would be as strong as it is now
And Q going home third would have been INCREDIBLE TV. Imagine the drama
I've been watching drag for 40 years. There is no rule- except for currently on Drag Race- that a great lip sync MUST include outstanding dance/gymnastic skills. Of course we love seeing them, and they're among some of my favorites from the show...but a lip sync is primarily about interpreting the song (anyone remember Jujubee lip-synching "Black Velvet?" It was stellar! ) The first 9 winners of RPDR weren't incredible dancers, and If they (seriously) had to lip-sync for the crown by showing off DANCING skills, many of the best winners (including RajaJinxx, Bianca, Bob) would not have won against their competitors. I find the whole Lip Sync for the crown ludicrous, because lately it's been feeling like a fixed race. Suddenly, Queens who'd been killing it on stage all season strangely choosee to phone it in at the finale (on what other planet can Willow Pill beat Lady Camden in a lip sync?) Yes, a surprise game changer happened for Sasha. But it never really happened again for anyone else since then. This season Mi'yah is considered the lip sync assassin because she does gymnastic flips. Yes, that requires talent. But hell, Katya could do them, too and still lost to Alaska (who doesn't dance.)
What I see Mi'yah doing is dancing INSTEAD OF INTERPRETING THE SONG. Symone could STAND STILL and sell a lip-sync by interpreting what the song meant, what the words meant, what the feeling of it meant. She could make US feel it too.
100% THIS!
@@Sishel I think Mi'yah is dancing AND interpreting the song. She's definitely not much of a face lip syncer like Symone, but Mi'yah uses her dance/gymnastic skills to interpret and perform the song. She's not just moving around, she's dancing on the beat and knows what dance moves work best for the performance. Even during that chaotic "Bloody Mary" lip sync, she kept it fresh and entertaining.
A lip sync win is a lip sync win! Nothing else should come in to it at that point
i agree, but its the inconsistencies with that ideology that the show has exhibited
I mean everyone would be raising hell if Monet won AS7, they HAD to step in
Yes! And everybody knows lip syncing is a huge part of the show. We all get mad and say so and so was robbed. We can't also get mad when a lip sync is judged fairly.
So i dont see a point for a whole season, just lets make them lypsinc in a smackdown and crown the winner.
the problem is that, it allows for much less talented girls like mhi'ya to stay in the competition much longer than queens with much more talent, i dont care what anyone says, plasma overall is more talented than mhi'ya yet miya has been in the bottom 3 times and if she is in the bottom again she will probably send home a girl that deserves her spot more in the competition.
there’s no rules, ru will always choose whoever he wants except if there’s a MAJOR hiccup (forgetting your words, doing something tacky, falling, etc…)
I love Plasma so much. She was on my top 4, but I think she was fairly eliminated, I hate when people attack Mhi'ya for being good at what she does
@novakd1530 but it IS performing and she's great at it, cope
@novakd1530what a tired take
@@xviolaai don t think lip syncing should be important on drag race.It s not real life wherre that s all a drag queen does.It should be about the challenges and runways
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Just here to say that i love when plasma makes that weird face being eliminated
Track records coming into play with lip syncs is confusing to figure out, because it’s not as simple as how runways should matter for determining placements, like how Nymphia’s runway saved her from the bottom in Snatch Game, it’s more complicated than that, and we’ve seen a queen get saved from track record with The Countess, from season two of Drag Race Holland, and the backlash that decision had.
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this isn’t directly related to the main topic of the video but i just wanna say that i’ve come to adore mhi’ya way more than i thought i would. part of it is her unbelievably amazing lip syncs, part of it is seeing her come out of her shell, and part of it was watching her eat the wax of the babybell cheese lmao. what a delightful lady, i love her. icon.
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i think that either way people would hate this decision. im not that tuned into the drag race sphere this season so i dont know what kind of reaction people are having towards it, but if you elimate either queen people be mad, i agree with the decision to send plasma home.
also this is entirly copium for plasma but i want mid season comebacks to happen again
To me Plasma going home wasn't a gag at all. She did the worst in the challenge, she did the worst in the lipsync... I think that's reason enough
Agreed and I think this debate/heavy discussion of her elimination is a bit of a reach. She did well until she didn't!
Yeah girl but everyone can have a bad day.Some people like jorgeous did awful the entire season yet they get by.I think we should look at it that way
@@Mylittleaddiction2802 I totally get the criticism towards the judging. I just think in this case it was fair. Jorgeous was definitely favoured by production. But then again so did pretty much the entire cast that season lol
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I feel like 2 win eliminations often happens for queens who have pigeon-holed wins. Take Plasma, who did have 2 wins but for two very similar challenges. Plasma's first win was for a singing interpretation of a musical theatre legend, and her second win was for the Rusical, so she hadn't shown that she could excel in a range of challenges. She had two wins, yes, but production didn't see her as a potential winner of the crown, so they decided to give her a dramatic elimination rather than let her go further. That's the throughline I think of these eliminations, they're for queens who have done well but for whatever reason aren't contenders for the crown, and as you pointed out, whose narrative usefulness (as far as telling a reality tv storyline) had run its course. For instance if Plasma had won vs Mhi'ya, I don't see where her arc could go from there besides just coasting. But giving Mhi'ya the win gives her a great storyline as the lip sync assassin, the drama that can arise from taking down a frontrunner, and all the rest create a great narrative arc for the season's third quarter.
The main reason I disagree with this is that the logic doesn't hold because correct me if I'm wrong but aren't there queens who only win in design challenges who didn't get the treatment.
@@wastingsun Then you have to re-read my comment because I also said it has to do with storylines. If you're not contributing enough drama you will also get chopped
@@gianfranco_maldetto_92 Girl what are you talking asbout? When did I mention Nymphia? And if you really weren't impressed by Sapphira that's on you, again, did not mention her at all.
@@gianfranco_maldetto_92 Why are you bringing me into your weird rants? Please take this somewhere else
I think track record should only really matter at the finale. It's like any game or sport, it's not over until it's over. The rules as stated are, if you do the worst, you end up in the bottom and you have to win the lipsync to stay, your track record should only matter if they performed so close that they need something else to call it by but in this case, Plasma clearly did the worst in the challenge and Mhi'ya(beanie aside) completely destroyed her in the lipsync. Those are the rules of the game, of they bend them to save someone then that would be what makes it unfair, not a frontrunner slipping up and going home.
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Some ppl are forgetting that at the end of the day this is REALITY TV & Ru’s show. The lipsync for your life is what it comes down to at the end of the day & impressing Ru, with track records more often than not only mattering if the lipsync is truly close. That being said, if a lipsync is closer to the beginning of the season and could possibly go either way + they already have the challenges lined up, OF COURSE they will keep a queen who has been doing better and who they think will do better in future challenges(i.e. why Q was kept over Amanda)
for me it’s not necessarily that I believe they should go off track record. it just seems entirely unfair that a queen who didn’t even make their own dress in a design challenge is able to stay over someone who has been doing well in the competition?? like at that point do the challenges even matter anymore if you’re a good lipsyncer? not that i think plasma was going to win or anything, but at least she made that ugly-ass outfit herself lmao
You are genuinely one of the most thoughtful drag race channels I have found. I really appreciate that you actually synthesize analysis instead of spewing gossip and shade. But… come on! I hope you made ungodly good money hocking a vape pen.
I cried so hard when plasma left 😭
I also think the determining factor in this eliminations is what they can bring to the competition. Like a recent example ppl thought Amanda won over Q in the lipsync (me personally thought Q won) but the things Q would bring to the competition is a lot more exciting than what Amanda would bring. Plus track record is looked at in some cases in determining the winner of a lipsync like Krystal Versace vs Vanity on UK 3 they both did great in the lipsync but Krystal won. Vanity said in a reunited episode with the CVTW cast no one can beat her in a lip sync and someone mentioned Krystal beat her. She was like did she beat me or did she win bc of her track record. Not saying Krystal lost but it’s definitely a factor fs if both queens do good in the lipsync their track records are looked at.
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I will die on the hill that Loosey did not deserve to be in the bottom for the rusical or make over. They just wanted her gone. I’m also in the minority when I say that lip syncing should not be the be all end all. I think it should weigh heavily in the decision, but they should weigh everything. Not all queens can do flips, dip and do splits. It makes a lot of the competition feel pointless. Keeping queens you know will never ever win just feels like a waste of a spot tbh.
Sorry to dump my frustration with the fans as a whole on you, but I really hate it when people dumb down lip syncing to just flips and dips. So many queens have destroyed lip syncs before without doing any stunts and it's so hype to see a stunt queen get bodied by a girl who just has great stage presence and embodies the song. Valentina vs Monet, MIB vs Jax, two of hearts, Utica vs whoever was in my humps. Hell if you want to go there lip syncs like Coco vs Alyssa count. The thing is lip syncing is only partly about stunts and moves. There's so many ways to win a lip sync and anybody who bothers to plan things out, has ingenuity, is good at comedy or has stage presence can do great in a lip sync. All time iconic lip syncers like Sasha never needed to flip or dip a single time. It's also extra annoying because most of the stunt queens can also outperform other queens in general. They're just good ass performers but people always want to dumb them down because their fave couldn't keep up. Just like other skills, some people are gonna have it and some aren't, but if you don't have it you're gonna need to get creative. It's not any different from queens who don't do well in design challenges or queens who can't be funny for the life of them. It's a skill you can practice or compensate for by using your wits, and if you can't do either you deserve the consequences.
Removing flips and dips from the criteria of lip-syncing... Loosey was not good at lip-syncing... XD If you put her against a Mistress, she'd lose. Put her against a Symone, she'd lose. Put her against even a Daya Betty(who is only okay), she would struggle. She barely could win against Spice of all people.
And if your latter have is regarding Mhiya vs Plasma, Mhiya showed the week prior she didn't need to do flips and tricks, but it is a strong quality she has. I'd agree if we're talking about an Anetra or a Jax, who mostly did flips and tricks, but if someone shows to be versatile enough to do either, they deserve their spot because they lip-synced for their life and won.
Track records this season has been wild
This topic fascinates me more than any topic of academia
Mhi'ya should have gone home A LOOOONG time ago. Would have love to see Plasma in those upcoming challenges since she was interesting and had character
I also think for Plasma that her story was done. She was the theatre queen, she won an acting challenge and the Rusical, so she kinda made the mark on the show that she wanted to make. I didn't see her as top 3, so getting eliminated earlier with these wins is so useful for your fanbase and all-star quality.
I do think eliminating based on storyline is a good thing for the viewers, not so much for the competitors. We don't want things to be too predictable.
Tbh I viewed Plasma as someone who would mess up once and get sent home, I did think she’d make it to top 5 at least tho
I think they sent Kennedy and Chi Chi home before finale because they knew no one was going to beat them in bottom two lip sync.
I still find it funny how Olivia successfully got away with the super sweetheart. The arguments and drama had her asking a question and then vanishing to let the girls fight. She full on stirre the pot and left with a cute Lil smile
Ongina of Season 1 set a precedent for these 2 wins' elimination.
i will always remember plasmas run on this show, and her legendary preformance in the rusical, in my opinion probably the best rusical preformance in the entire franchise. Shell always be my favorite from this season and i hope to see her on all stars in the future because she is a star.
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Why would she keep someone who's whole talent is summarized in just a couple of minutes out of the whole episode, while plasma would've enriched & heightened the competition through the season with her superior talent & charisma! Her elimination was just gutting!!
I think weirdly Trisha Paytas had something going when she got M'hiya with "Well then youre gonna win the whole thing because no one can send you home" comment.
Lip sync assassins are becoming dangerous because frankly no one can confidently send home M'hiya. So that begs the question: why should M'hiya even bother TRYING.
If you can do the best but flop a lip sync, and do the worst and kill one, what is the incentive to being good at challenges at all? The very least you just wont win the crown but you're basically guaranteed top 4/5 just by being the lip sync assassin.
Lip syncs should matter but once a queen gets to that 3rd or 4th lip sync you start to really wish they could just be sent home already because its clear they just arent succeeding at DRAG RACE.
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Sorry what’s the link for Katya talking about season 7?
They all end up coming back & killing Allstars !!!!
loosey couldve won the crown in another season tbh. she's got it all
Drag race is just really confusing you just watch and hope your favorite queen comes through and makes it to the end
If track record was the only criterion drag race wouldn't have been what it is now. That is the main exciting part of the show where queens get the last chance to fight by doing good in lipsync which is the most important thing as drag queen than anything else
When i first started watching drag race I assumed it was like ANTM where the bottom 2 are told why they suck then tyra shows a picture and that girl stays. i was SHOOK by the idea of giving somebody a second chancw
Well then, why have challenges if they don't matter? It's a bit.. aloof but oh well it's a drag show and being entertaining it's a KEY part of it.
I think this season is having the most shocking eliminations in a while first it was Mirage then it was Amanda Tori Meating then it was Megami now it’s Plasma & I feel like even more shockers are coming!
I love the comparison someone made on Twitter of Mh'iya to DeDe in UK5 - both have taken out three people who've won at least one challenge, many of them fan favorites (Plasma, Banksie, Kate Butch). In my opinion, Drag Race gives so many opportunities nowadays for beloved queens to come back, whether for a conventional All Stars season or for a Vs The World format - because of that, I think the discourse over who should stay or go can get a bit extreme, considering we'll be seeing all these fan favorites on TVs again soon anyway. So I hope ultimately, the takeaway is that we've got a bunch of exciting, fun lip syncs with a ton of rewatchability - not to mention great, dramatic reality TV.
Every time that drag race fans are confronted by the heavily produced nature of the show I do laugh. They spend so much time doing spreadsheets and point counts and everything and then Ru's like, "Byeeeee!"
As much as I don't think the performing abilities should be the only thing deciding who is an amazing drag artist, it's not the rules of the show.
If you take the track record in account, you never get legendary lipsyncs, because the lipsync doesn't matter anyway. I only agree they take storyline and track record in account if the performances are even.
But I don't think there is a right way to please the fans, the vocal part of the Fandom will always be mad anyway 😂 I just think the show should respect the rules they set and roll with it.
I think it’s fair to base off lip sync, but production can’t do double shantaes for favorites (ie kandy muse should’ve gone home in that double shantae)
The hatred and bullying towards Lucy ruined season 15. I’ll never rewatch that season. It makes me so mad. 😊
I think for production Plasma was not a front runner, Q either. Their two wins are for the same type of challenge, so production don't think they're versatile players and therefore they get eliminated. Also at the end of the day they want fans upset about "a shocking elimination" to create buzz around the show.
For me, everything needs to be taken into the concideration IF the lip sync is "close enough". 2 most recent examples that comes to mind are Loosey vs Salina and Tomara vs Dede (arguably Dede vs Kate as well). Those lip syncs were slightly lost by frontrunners, but they put up a good fight and proved they deserve to stay.
With that being said, Mhi'ya murdered Plasma and rightfully stayed, similar to Sasha vs Shea lip sync, where they just couldn't justify a different outcome
wait where’s the podcast with katya?
Can we just talk about how good u fkn look gurl
I don't understand what the fuss is with the fan base some time. RuPaul said it is a "lip sync for your LIFE". If the judges ever used track record, then the lip sync wouldn't be as fun - it would be called "lip sync for your RECORD/RUN". That definitely missed the risk of what makes lip syncs fun with Drag Race. If there's no lip syncs in Drag Race, then the show wouldn't exist. My only criticism with the most recent lip sync which kicked of Plasma was the song choice. That Wednesday TikTok is dead now. They should've gave us the original version of Blood Mary by Lady Gaga. It totally changes the atmosphere from chaotic to moody.
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Let's not forget Max.
I feel like I’ve watched too many behind the scenes/production type RPDR episodes, because I never saw Plasma as a front runner given her edit.
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I still think throughout this entire clarification we’re still capping for track record. Lip syncing is not only the final way to save yourself it’s the core of what a queen does. Idc if you’ve got 5 wins you land in the bottom and can’t turn it you’re going home. No if ands or buts
ngl they cut kennedy of, bc we know she would have destroyed that last performance, but with the edit/reputation she had with the fans at the time, she would never have gotten the win. I mean that's what led to Ginger not winning. It's just sad, Kennedy deserved the finale.
also man seeing Loosey does kinda sizzle in my heart. it was sad to see her always trying to justify her win equity and her performance, which just led to a semi delusional edit and a lot of peers of her not respecting her actual performance, which was awesome. She had two actual wins. And fully deserved them too. Also she was basically the reason a finalist got her second win, so it was sad to see her not being able to stand up for herself esp. to this queen that fully had a win bc of Loosey and still tried to say she's not fierce competition. (but also the unreasonable hate and racism Luxx and MIB got - why?! I mean I get not liking them and saying so as well, but no reason to tag queens in hate nor to be a bigot)
Personally I love when they surprise us like this, even if plasma is my favorite queen of the season. I think each situation is different and track record and lip syncs should be weighted according to what the storyline needs
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They should just adopt a point system instead. Each contestant gets a certain amount of points based on their performance ranking and those who accumulate the least amount of points every week will be the ones to lip sync. That way, you eliminate those who are consistently at the bottom while ensuring that those who are consistently at the top stay for their track record. This makes things more fair for those who have consistently done well instead of getting eliminated because they had one bad day.
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This video perfectly explains why I always say there are simply NO rules to Drag Race even if we can predict SO MUCH of it based on past seasons. Every episode remains a new day with different elements that the producers and judges might have to move around in their favor at the time or adapt when thrown a curveball they don't expect. We can say "every lipsync should determine the elimination, not track record"- but in the same season where Plasma got cut over Mhi'ya, which was fair, we ALSO saw Q get ENTIRELY saved for track record despite clearly losing to Amanda in that lipsync, but its better to keep Q than Amanda cuz she's the stronger player in the long term. If there's anything I personally despise is the recent semifinal fake outs on S14 and S15 cuz the edit tries to deceive us into thinking someone WILL go home- and its honestly SUCH a waste of our time as viewers. If you're not gonna send anyone home in the first place, don't bother making us believe someone will get eliminated.
Plasma was probably one of my favourites in the competition but If you take out the rule of winning a lipsync then nothing makes sense so I agree with her elimination. However, If I queen did a bit better than her in the main challenge I wouldnt mind them saving Plasma from the bottom 2, buuut, everyone did amazingly besides the bttm 2 sadly. So I wouldnt say its rigged at all.
Mhi'ya is not a lipsync assassin. She's a flipper with braces. The real lipsync assassin of season 16 is Nymphia. We just didn't get to see her lipsync very much. Only 2 episodes: the Power anthem and the finale.
Seems like the producers want Mihya to have a Cinderella story. But where's the growth, huny? Where's the charisma? The uniqueness? Talent? She sure has the nerve to call herself a lip sync assassin when she don't even know the songs...
In my opinion, a lipsync should take into account "who has shown the talent needed to carry them on in the competition." by that, I basically mean that both the lipsync and the previous performance in the competition should count. If you're facing someone who is doing significantly better than you in the competition overall, you should need to give an even more amazing performance to kick them out. Track record basically sets the bar for "how well do you have to perform".
I personally hate it when "storylines" are taken into account to save a queen.
I don’t understand the fan base. Fans complain about predictability and production rigging stuff but when a shocking elimination that abides for the rules happens, they also complain.
(Although tbf it’s a bit infuriating that Q got saved earlier with just 3 high places and no wins but Plasma got axed no problem with such a good track record)
Explain why there wasn't an elimination for S16 episode 10? IMO too much going on behind the scenes that negates it being a fair competition.
Loosey is the only one of this bunch to get a true villain edit. It was really hard to watch everyone cheer when she got eliminated after a really…ugly season.
Eliminations should be based solely off the lip sync instead of track record because it just makes it transparent that lip syncs don't matter and it makes production bullshit too apparent. This is also why I'm still not a fan of lip sync for the crown because they also show that lip syncs don't matter at all and it makes it too clear production meddling. Jinkx winning against Monet in a lip sync will never be believable, and her win on AS7 would have been way more satisfying if they did not do lip sync for the crown.
Lucy’s elimination I will never understand. She shouldn’t of been in the bottom 2
Sue me but how a queen previously did should matter not always plasma was fairly eliminated but queens like Scarlet Envy and A'whora being eliminated by queens that lip synced so many times getting eliminated even though they showed enough to stay feels infuriating
You should do a video on bringing queens back after they’ve been eliminated. Examples: Trixxie Mattel coming back on season 7 or Latrice Royale on AS season 4.
To me, the track record and the lip sync should ALWAYS matter but should be used according to specific situations. If X and Y have basically the same track record, the best at the lip would stay ant that would be fair. If X is doing WAY better on the competition and Y is not, Y being saved just because they were better at the lip sync is totally unfair! Saying that the winner must have charisma, uniqueness, nerve and talent and, at the same time, rewarding someone that doesn't have all that just because their lip sync was better is totally contradictory!
Olivia’s hurt the most, I felt like she knew she wasn’t giving them to work with on top of her knowing she most likely wasn’t going to win and she tried to do the nice storyline, I felt like they were in her ear though. Telling her about how nice she is etc, I guess she thought it was a way to win the fans and win something that wasn’t the crown. I also think she just got really tired towards the end, it was sad to see her trying to keep up
some of the beuty of the show is seeing queens doing “less successful” going further. if it was all about track record we wouldn’t have gotten timeless queens like Jujubee going all the way without any wins.
The problem, for me, is that Mhi'ya's lipsyncs are always messy. Mama can flip in a gown and that's IMPRESSIVE AF, but like Dawn or Morphine said, she broke many lip sync rules: the shoes, the stocking cap, the bad reveals, lip syncing to background vocals or not moving her lips at all in favor of moves. Without the amazing flips, her lip syncs remind me of Silky on S10 against Nina. It's just not polished. Not saying Plasma, Megami or Geneva gave memorable performances either. I just don't see the "she ate, devoured, annihilated" people talk about.
I think All Stars is a guinea pig for the original drag race, I feel like they're gonna do a top 2 from now on at the finale
My opinion is that track record + runway should determine who gets saved from the bottom 3, but the moment you're lipsynching, that should be the only thing that matters. There are interesting cases though - like Latrice being placed in the bottom for the S4 Political challenge even though she wasn't among the worst two or even three in that challenge, just because she was the only one who could possibly beat Dida Ritz in a Gladys Knight lipsynch.
I get the idea that lip-synchs are a huge part of the competition but track record isn’t taken into account for who is safe what’s the point of having the challenges in the competition?
Is there someone who can explain what the point is of the challenges if the lip-synched only thing that matters?
The show would be boring and predictable if the queen with the better track record always stayed