What Judo Can Learn from Wrestling - The Shintaro Higashi Show
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2023
- The American wrestling system is known to consistently produce quality grapplers. What's the reason behind its success, and what can Judo learn from it? In this episode, Shintaro and Peter discuss their theories on why wrestling in America is so successful, drawing from their personal experiences.
0:45 producing wrestling champions
2:25 how wrestling practice is different than judo practice
4:08 why judo gyms dont emphasize grip fighting
6:00 do they drill in japanese dojos?
7:45 can judo borrow practice strategy from wrestling
10:45 percentages of competitors in the room
13:00 borrowing from deliberate practice strategy
16:00 how deliberate practice helps the hobbyists
18:45 the goal of a gen pop judo gym
19:20 money in wrestling vs judo
22:30 full time judo teachers?
23:40 judo in the NCAA?
25:00 integrating judo into local colleges
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One of my favorite things about Shintaro is his expertise across all the major grappling domains. So it's always a treat to hear him opine about ways to bring the best from one domain to another: in this case it was wrestling for judo, in others past its been bjj for judo. This type of cross-pollination is a breath of fresh air across all disciplines and gives me great hope for the future.
I fenced in college and never thought to call myself a D1 athlete. I will now correct that going forward. 😁
I actually use the deliberate practice drills you talked about just constrained more for beginners / older judokas and I found that retention rate has increased instead of decreasing.
As a former wrestler, a bjj and now a Nidan, Judo Black Belt, I can tell you yes wrestling does some good and hard workouts but that's nothing in comparison to a good Judo Club like ours. We cross train Traditional Japanese Ju Jitsu with our Judo with strikes, knee and ankle locks, we don't adhere to these ridiculous rules you can't touch the leg nonsense, we train real world Jugo/Ju Jitsu. Also, there's a great Jugo Club I follow. Welcome Mat Judo/Sambo and Japanese Ju Jitsu, it's a different world 🌎 in Judo, besides the throws everyone sees, Newaza and in Europe and other countries their NeWaza is Top Notch for sure
I am an American who stand on what you're saying. I trained in bjj, judo and high-school wrestling and I totally agree . I dont separate bjj from judo or these crazy rules about not touching the legs. I strongly believe blending in traditional jiu-jitsu; we do this at my judo school. However, im straight judo now and don't really need bjj because my newaza is good enough
I recently joined judo since I couldn’t find any wrestling gym for adults where I’m from , and contrary to what people be saying about judo ( even the watered down version ) being ineffective , I really disagree. So many of the throws , trips, and sweeps can be used in both gi and no gi, it’s very practical even without leg grabs. A-lot of the takedowns in judo are actually really powerful and would be really damaging if your throwing a normal person on concrete , furniture , or other hard surfaces and the person don’t know how to fall correctly . Randori is also very affective at helping you learn how to apply the techniques against a resisting opponent . I can’t say weather it’s better or worse than wrestling , but I would say that it is a very affective martial art / combat sport.
Have a historical Judo question about the rear naked choke. Historically has this technique been a top submission finisher of contests? Is seems like in MMA and BJJ the rear naked choke is used a lot, but in Judo historically where does it rank in submission finishes of contests? My favorite choke is the Kata hajime, I wish this was used a lot more.
Been going down a rabbit hole of these episodes lately. Shintaro loves that tennis backhand example 😂
Love all your videos keep it up!
Judo is harder to learn than wrestling, and a lot of non-patient practitioners get bored quickly and leave because they can't uchi mata someone.
Tell me you've never wrestled before without telling me you've never wrestled before.
@@Jay-ho9io Judo is harder than wrestling,
facts don't care about ur feelings
and I did wrestle for 2 years and just began judo 9 months ago
do you really think pulling an uchi mata on a resisting opponent is easy ?
you gotta revise ur mindeset if thats the case
@@Skeptic_Von_Rahm cool story.
Wrestling technique is just as hard to master. 15 years freestyle wrestling experience, 10 years Judo experience.
Both are really hard sports, but judo is hard because of technique and wrestling's hard because it's more about strength and Conditioning then technique
Judo has a steep learning curve, I think it’s makes more sense for adult learners to join a BJJ club with wrestling classes. Then add the fact that No-Gi Judo isn’t a thing yet.
Yeah because Judo is hard on the body especialy for old / adults and schools don't teach "old men" judo rather they teach "young men" judo
Nogi judo isnt regonised but that doesnt stop judokas from practicong it
Lets hope it will be officialy regonized someday
No gi judi Is literally Greco-Roman wrestling minus submissions.
@@chris51ification
Greco doesn't have ashi waza.
@@andresgreene4913 True
@@Skeptic_Von_Rahm not only are the throws hard on the body, the throws are very technical and can be difficult to master for adult beginners.
Quick question: when Japanese and Koreans play baseball, is it mandatory the use the English words strike, ball, hit, out, inning, etc, or do they use their own normal language when they play? I thought koreans don't use many Japanese terms when practicing judo the way English speaking countries seem to be required to use all Japanese terms.
In Korean baseball we use a mixture of English and Korean terminology for baseball. For certain terms like strike, ball, out, inning, we do have our own terms but we use them interchangeably with the Korean terminology as well.
심판 - Umpire
투수 - Pitcher
포수 - Catcher
타자 - Batter
지명타자 - Designated hitter
1루수 - First baseman
2루수 - Second baseman
3루수 - Third baseman
유격수 - Shortstop
좌익수 - Left fielder
중견수 - Center fielder
우익수 - Right fielder
중간계투/구원투수 - Bullpen pitcher
마무리투수 - Closer
주자 - Runner
1루타 - single
2루타 - double
3루타 - triple
내야안타 - infield hit
홈런 - homerun
만루홈런 - grand slam
도루 - Stolen base
볼넷 - base on balls
삼진 - Strike out
직구 - Fast ball
변화구 - Breaking ball
내야 땅볼 - Ground out
직선타구 - Line drive
뜬공 - Fly ball
견제구 - Pick-off throw
땅볼 - Ground ball
@@64wy4x8s i assume it's the same in japan. they play the game in their own language and style. kano spoke fluent english and he probably expected judo to assimilate worldwide, like baseball and other sports.
Halo Shintaro. Any advice for a guy that is 5 ft, in the 81kg weight category.
Shintaro have you ever do e MMA?
You got that Japanese build like a tank like myself, short legs stocky 😘 much love
Levan needs to learn what survivorship bias is
What’s the estimated net worth of all judo practitioners in the US?
I love both. Wrestling is FAR more functional for BJJ or MMA. Plus…
Nothing more annoying, when watching a judo match, than the sight of someone executing a beautiful ouchigari or kouchigari and opponent spins around to flop onto stomach. Zero score in judo (it would score in wrestling or advantage in BJJ). Total waste of a beautiful takedown.
Judo is basically Japanese wrestling
I like to say that Judo is just greco-roman-wrestling but on steroids
judo is more like jacket wrestling
@@Skeptic_Von_Rahmmorote gari
5% of the dojo being competitors seems so low to me.... I'm not in the states but judo is a healthy sport here and I'd say 50-60% or our dojo actively competes or has retired from competition at a reasonable and or high level.
Is my club really that much of an outlier?
In the United States? Yes.
@@Jay-ho9io gotcha, huh wouldn't have thought Canada (or at least my region) and US would have that much of a gap.
Americans are brainwashed by bjj and mma and very delusional about judo and traditional Japanese jiu-jitsu.
US is weak in terms of competitive judo
I live in pennsylvania. I was a wrestler. High school wrestling team. I didn't take Judo until later.