Why China SUCKS at Soccer But Japan & Korea Are Great
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A Korean's view. While a friend of mine was traveling Japan, he saw so many high school students enjoy playing soccer in their school. Without worrying about the outcome, he said they really seemed to enjoy. If you have a wider pool, there must be someone outstainding. He said he envied that..
Japan has a bigger population, a bigger pool, and better circumstances compared to Korea. Japanese players have better skills in general, while Korean players have better physique and willingness to win. It is my humble opinion, and I cry whenever Korean team gets defeated by Japan. Both were similar, but Korea used to win, bcz Korean players had better physique, but Japan has made great progress since 1990s. Facts are stubborn things 😢😢😢😢
So more people should enjoy soccer, and if you find any players that are good and passionate, pick them up and train them. Then send them to European countries in order to get them more experienced. It is not a 6 week belly fat challenge, it takes at least 5, 10, sometimes 20 years to see future outcome. JAPAN is planning to win Worldcup champion in 2050, and no one mocks them. Someone might, but I dont. So it should be a really long term pay off. And it is something former Korean players say too
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China has way more people though, and soccer is the most popular sport (at least to watch) by far. Yet we still suck T_T
@@user-nj9ru4ef2wtell me you are blind without telling me you are blind
It's a mystery that Chinese men can not play in any team systems, the total opposite of Chinese women. The Chinese Women have dominated sports like Soccer, Volleyball and Basketball on international levels at one time or another.
but chinese basketball not bad at least in asian level they always on the top and in asia cup number one with 16 gold , 2nd philiphine 5 gold , iran 3 gold
Chinese society is harsh on women, confucian patriarchy, all families expect their boys to get the best school ranks, girls don't receive the same support
@@tigerfist2864 Until the Asian and Oceanic merged now Australia dominates.
@@randomuruk7230 yes australian team is new nightmare and what i notice chinese team is stuck in comfort zone, they seems dont have motivation n ignore the fact other smaller asian country make progress everyday and more ambitious , this what happened in football ,team like vietnam, uzbekistan, kazhakstan,iraq is getting better ,meanwhile chinese team getting worst
@@tigerfist2864now?😅
Do you two make longer podcasts? Like an hour long? I have a long drive to work and love listening to you two but it's often short.
I think China just focuses on Olympic sports more tbh. (even though soccer is technically an Olympic sport lol)
ya i mean kinda
no, china invests much more money on football than any Asian country. China has no talent for soccer. I live in China and every school has a soccer field and good soccer education but Chinese just suck at football
@@user-et2kc9pp1s I think both things could be true lol. There’s definitely no evidence up to this point that Chinese people are good at football.
Because China want to be top of medal table in Olympic which they can only dream only since the most cheat Olympic in 2008 Beijing Olympic !
No it's weird as heck. Chinese people love soccer more than any other sport BY FAR, and they pay mediocre brazilian players (who couldn't make the cut in brazil/europe) tens of millions of dollars to play for china. So much money is spent on soccer but they just suck
중국에는 축구 문화가 없잖아..
한국은 보통 어렸을때부터 학교 운동장이나 동네 길거리에서 축구를 함..
그리고 축구는 다른 올림픽 종목처럼 돈으로 되는게 아님..
가장 대중적이며 글로벌화 되어 있고 세계 200개 국가와 경쟁을 해야되고 2억명이 넘는 잠재적인 선수와 넘쳐나는 인재풀 그리고 선수 개개인의 개성이 매우 중요한 스포츠임.
중국은 체조나 다이빙 역도 탁구 같은 개인만 잘하는 스포츠 종목에서는 성적을 낼수 있지만
1분 1초 다른 플레이를 요구하며 시시각각 변덕이 심하고 개인의 창의성을 요구하는 축구는 매우 힘들다고 본다.
There was a recent CGTN interview with the Uruguayan ambassador regarding this topic. The ambassador basically said, 'the kids have to grow up playing it for fun in the neighborhood.' There are some sports that you can train gifted people in to get gold medals in the Olympics. There are some sports that have to grow organically on the streets. For the latter, it's harder to grow in China because of such a high emphasis on academics and structured extracurriculars.
And the most popular sports are probably table tennis, basketball, and dancing in the parks in the morning.
Can’t agree more
China better at hoops tho
@@alexbayan8302 Korea and Japan put a high emphasis on academics, but they can afford some slack because they are already part of the first world. With that slack, parents are more amenable to allowing their kids to focus on sports throughout school. This is almost never the case in China.
But Korea and Japan has a lot of emphasis on academics as well, they’re not playing in the streets as kids!! This isn’t the reason
At least the Chinese women's football team are alright. Sure, the team have struggled, but during their prime they got at least second place back in 1999 FIFA Women's World Cup.
Woman football is pretty amateur, anyone investing in it can get great results. Japan has even won a women’s world cup
The most important thing is that China lacks the environment for the growth of football. Even if some teenagers like football, most of them will be forced to give up football eventually due to the increasingly heavy academic burden. In China, almost all parents believe that going to college is the only thing their children should do, so most recreational activities are considered heretical and banned. Even if there are some sports talents, most of them exercise to score more points in college exams. Moreover, many Chinese fans do not know how to learn. As East Asian yellow men, the success of South Korea and Japan in football should be a reference for China, but most people only hate everything about the two countries because of historical reasons, including football. When South Korea and Japan entered the round of 16, many Chinese people were very angry, thinking that they qualified by cheating and luck. And for the next they will play against a stronger team and excited, and hope they immediately fail to go home, Chinese fans only like Brazil, France and Argentina such as the strong but can not see the efforts of South Korea and Japan represented by the East Asian team.
In all honesty, the Chinese are right to root against Korea and Japan, they are two countries that wouldn't think too hard to root against them in any kind of competition. Mainly Koreans, who are increasingly violent with Chinese.
and you think life as a student in korea is easy?
So true bro 中国足球一百年都不可能进
Lacks the environment? that's not exactly true. Corruption exists on every lvl here, even with soccer. It's controlled by politicians and there is no passion for the sport. Japanese players have a deep passion for the game, something that Chinese players lack *they are pampered and spoiled..wearing expensive stuff. Money given by the govt as a reward for failing and doing poorly.* it's very sad
Korea vs Japan China National Team (Total Match Wins and Goals)
Korea 42 wins 92 goals
Japan 16 wins 33 goals
Korea 21 wins 41 goals
China 2 wins 4 goals
U14~U23 Korea vs Japan China Team (Total Match Wins and Goals)
Korea 75 wins 193 goals
Japan 25 wins 61 goals
Koera 74 wins 84 goals
China 25 wins 20 goals
All Total
Korea 116 wins 285 goals
Japan 41 wins 94 goals
Korea 95 wins 125 goals
China 27 wins 24 goals
Korea 211 wins 410 goals
vs
Japan China 68 wins 118 goals
Korea 321 wins 1146 goals
vs
Southeast Asia 51 wins 66 goals
Nice deep cut into the topic, I challenge you to deep dive into Football in general now!
Corruption, wrong coach, bad players
exactly
Culture
They fail in football, so you conclude bec of corruption.
But they also succeed in many, many other domains, in sports and others. So you should conclude there is no corruption.
@@nmew6926 , focus on resolving issues should be the high priority, not padding on shoulders. And corruptions do exist in China. Just because you love China, does not mean you should let yourself be blind sighted.
They dont use kungfu
You did touch on an important point. Not enough playing of the game at a grass roots level from pre teen years into adulthood by persons who are talented in large part because of a very heavy focus on academics on the part of parents. People did point out that Japan and South Korea also have a strong societal focus on academics, but there's still the encouragement that those who are talented and passionate about team sports such as soccer in Korea and Japan and baseball in Japan should pursue their talents and they have a youth development system for it...
I see people in the comments section saying that there are not enough places to actually play the game in China. On Google Maps I have noticed that most Chinese cities have numerous soccer fields that dot them... Those are definitely venues for playing the game.... But I do not know the reality of access to those fields for recreational purposes or to play competitive games...
There are over 15,000 junior football teams in China. Compare that to 80 junior football teams in Korea. In 2019, China had 200 times more junior football players than Korea. Guus Hiddink coached both Korean & Chinese national team. Paulo Bento also coached in China and coached the Korean national team. These two and countless others who experienced the Chinese football have all basically said the same. Chinese players are not coachable. Why? While Koreans and Japanese players have utter most respect for each other and their coaches, Chinese players are selfish and arrogant. If you go back to 1980's & 1990's, the Chinese national team was about the same level as Korea or Japan. But once these one child policy players began filling the Chinese national team, Chinese national team was finished, with no hope of ever coming back up.
It's youth academies. China and the US don't have proper academies that train and find young future stars like other nations.
I also would like to say that people who care for your heritage like you two should live in China for a year and see what you can do realistically. I think people like you who know the best of many worlds should maybe try to become more involved.
This doesn’t only pertain to football but all aspects of Chinese society.
Really like what you guys are doing. Need this kind of discussions with our neighbors too.
Enjoyed this video.
you probably don't know? CCP and its cronies do not tolerate criticism...especially from an 'outsider' if the Fung Brothers were to attempt any change as you suggested in China, they'll just 'disappear'.. any change in China (Football etc..) would only be possible from within and within its own CCP party who helms the China F.A.
Is it also because of the lack of field space in China. Not many people in China have back gardens or green parks, certainly not in the working class families. Most people live in flats....i have never seen a single large green park in an urban centre when i went to the fareast
This has begun to be an inside joke in our school, literally no one tries to defend our country's soccer team anymore.
I'm a Tigers fan but shout out to China's Women's for winning the AFC this year!! Congrats 👏 🇨🇳
They just need to incorporate kung fu into their soccer. Study the movie "Shaolin Soccer" as the inspiration. 😁
very good point !
Kids in China cannot develop the skills and passion for football if they literally got no time to play it, because they're at school from 7am to 9:30pm (doing all that "evening study sessions" after class lectures have ended), and if they get to their senior year, too stressed reviewing for the Gaokao (university qualification exam) which decides the path that they'll take for their adult life.
That's can't explain why China so good on badminton, gymnastic, table tennis, and diving.
@@faustinuskaryadi6610 exactly
@@faustinuskaryadi6610 plus their rap is developing
@@faustinuskaryadi6610Thanks for listing teamwork spor...
Oh wait
@@faustinuskaryadi6610because those are sports whose skills are more tied to repetition and training than creativity and chemistry. China puts sports funding into sports that have recordable statistics in success
I’ll tell you my story. I live in Beijing between 1997 to 2014, in 3 and 4th grade there was a dirt soccer field in my elementary school. In 5th grade they turn it into a 3 basketball field. Ever since then, we were unable to find a big enough open field to play soccer. We have played on the streets, in front of peoples garage, but it was just not enough. And because of Yao Ming school would promote basketball and other sports way more. From what I heard now it costs 3000 rmb to rent a soccer field in Beijing…..
And also corruption. Recently the Beijing soccer team could be considered on a national level lost 7 to 5 to an amateur team who’s member are consists of teachers, meat butcher, small business owner. Imagine that.. a national team lost to a Sunday meet up soccer team…..
I am mostly Korean but my grandpa was Japanese so I speak both languages and also follow football for Korea & Japan. Some Korean & Japanese players have talked about this issue (most notably 이천수 from Korea) `but the problem with Chinese football is simply this. Lack of respect for one another & their coaches. Chinese, Korean, and Japanese are closely related people and it's not like Japanese & Korean players have higher physical ability than Chinese players to play soccer. Culturally, Japanese & Korean men develop a sense of respect for their fellow team members and their coaches. This makes them very coachable.
Both Hiddink and Bento had incredible success in Korea but both failed miserably in China. Why do you suppose that is? It's not because Chinese players lack physical ability. Hiddink and Bento (especially Bento) were all praises for cooperative Korean players but did not hide their displeasure for selfish and arrogant Chinese players. In 1980's and 1990's, Chinese national football team was not weak. There were brief periods where Chinese team was even considered stronger than the Korean national team. But as one child policy generation players began to fill up the Chinese national squad, the Chinese national team began its long downfall.
That’s a really interesting point to hear from both a Korean and Japanese person. I’m a Chinese soccer player, who’s been playing the game since I was 3. So I played with multiple different types of people which gave me perspectives as well. So one of the things I do notice with Chinese soccer pros is that some of them don’t work well with each other. I’ll be honest, I could perform better than I am right now, but I notice my Korean soccer teammates never try to outperform my other teammates.
South Korean and Japanese players on the national teams already have exposure and experience playing on top notch competitive leagues/teams, so that alone makes it easier for national teams to perform better because they are already familiar competing on the international stage. We can see this in the NBA where national teams like the Spanish, Argentinian, and French teams have so many players playing in the NBA. I would say for the Chinese team to field a competitive team, they must build a program where youth soccer have exposure to international competition and giving talents an opportunity to play on youth teams abroad. It will have to be a stepwise fashion where hopefully over the course for a generation, eventually one generation of players will build on the knowledge and talents of the previous generation. Easier said than done, i.e., even the US youth soccer struggled to get this done.
talking about usa soccer ,fung bros should talk about why asian american sucks at soccer or any sport in america like football,basketball etc lol
@@tigerfist2864 For soccer even White American are below Latino.
North Korean teams have been competitive with no youth league or international exposure. Same for Vietnam, Myanmar, etc who are ranked lower than China but play at about same level.
It could be the tiger moms instilling in them the "Be the best" mentality so most Chinese youths who are good at sports always try to be the "guy" who has to hit the score and because of that it makes the team less cohesive and less trust between team mates.
@@miliba I can see that. To be a goal scorer who scores a lot you kinda have to be “selfish” and stand out and I don’t really see that from Japan.
India and Vietnam in that respect are actually a lot better than China when it comes to soccer/football. Their current FIFA rankings are 99 and 95 respectively, China is 80. For India specifically, soccer is at least the 2nd most popular sport, and growing in popularity still. And while not the most popular throughout the country overall, in certain regions like the east and southwest, soccer is THE most popular sport.
weird. I've never seen any indian soccer players or any indians talking about soccer ever.
That Vietnam that cry baby when losing with fair in Asean game yeah right
日本は10代の時に学校の勉強終わった後はスポーツする生徒が大半で、その中でもサッカーは男子に人気はあるから、それでサッカーへの熱意の土台ができてるからある程度W杯でもうまくいってるんじゃないかな
あと休み時間にサッカーやる事もあるし子供がサッカーに触れる機会は多いと思う、まぁでも圧倒的な1番人気は野球だけどね
Korea vs Japan China National Team (Total Match Wins and Goals)
Korea 42 wins 92 goals
Japan 16 wins 33 goals
Korea 21 wins 41 goals
China 2 wins 4 goals
U14~U23 Korea vs Japan China Team (Total Match Wins and Goals)
Korea 75 wins 193 goals
Japan 25 wins 61 goals
Koera 74 wins 84 goals
China 25 wins 20 goals
All Total
Korea 116 wins 285 goals
Japan 41 wins 94 goals
Korea 95 wins 125 goals
China 27 wins 24 goals
Korea 211 wins 410 goals
vs
Japan China 68 wins 118 goals
Korea 321 wins 1146 goals
vs
Southeast Asia 51 wins 66 goals
Source pls ,your data looks strange . Whats is this ? All time data between matches amobg them ?
China must bring soccer into school Programm and develop compétion between schools.
They need to add some city stadium in big agglomeration and organize competion.
This is what they need to do.
The "China not being able to work as a team" is very interesting. You'd think in a communist society where doing your part for the greater good would produce great team players.
Taiwan and singapore also suck at football and they have more freedom than communist china. Football is pretty easy to learn but very hard to master.
This has nothing to do with politics or culture, it has to do with actually playing it.
@Jonny that doesnt change the fact that they suck at football. They have more freedoms than chinese and their team still suck.
Communist society lol
You can't make a competitive soccer team with so many corrupted politicians and cunning speculators.
Like recently the head coach of China's soccer team has been held in custody. He deliberately kept those imported Brazilian players out of the starting line-up since they didn't bribe him for the position.
Plus a lot of teams in Chinese soccer league were actually sponsored by real-estate syndicates that invest in soccer teams for money-laundering, and many of them refused to pay their players salary.
Soccer is a sport and a business per se, while Chinese decision makers simply see the business part.
你是一个中国人，你看到的不全面但也不能说是错的
then why Chinese women football team is not that bad?
Team sport takes a long time to see the progress. Team Japan first advance to world cup back in 1998, fast forward to today, they are finally capable of taking on European teams and having the chance to win, but still never made it to the best 8. Chinese system doesn’t have that kinda patience to build up a nice development system. If female soccer will be as popular as the male’s, it’s gonna be a different story as well. I believe it will happen one day, but it’s not gonna be anytime soon.
Except Chinese national team was just as strong as Japan or Korea in 1980's & 1990's. Matter of fact, China even qualified for the World Cup in 2002. Chinese football reached its peak in late 90's to early 2000's. Chinese players in the 80's & 90's respected their teammates and coaches just like Japan or Korea do today. Sadly, the culture of respect has been replaced with arrogance and selfishness in Chinese football team because of one child policy generation. "Chinese players are absolutely un-coachable" - Guus Hiddink
Same with baseball. Japan, S. Korea, and Taiwan love baseball. Chinese people just love basketball too much .
not same at all. Chinese people don't care about baseball at all; back in the early 2000s, no one even knew what baseball was.
But they absolutely love soccer, it's by far the most popular sport to watch in china.
Dear fellow Chinese, it's OK to be bad at something. It's really OK.
Nope. Not when Billions have been invested in it. It underlines internal corruption and mis-management. That's not ok.
This is the PROBLEM with China. If a player is really good, but some official does not like him, because his dad said the wrong thing on wechat, he won't make the team.
So only in football.. Why do they succeed in other areas sports, economic...
Chinese women’s soccer has been killing it, they have reached loads of quarter finals for decades and even runner up.
Talk more about japan vs korea its the AFC soon
There is a joke about this from Russell Peters
Yet Japanese and Chinese women are so good at football in history.
Japanese and Koreans take soccer seriously. The way Chinese play soccer, you can tell the Chinese think soccer is another form of Kung Fu.
In Korea, domestic pro soccer league isn't as popular as in China (and they are far far smaller) - and the national football league is as corrupt, if not more so, than the one in China.
Yet, there is a reason why they are so successful in World Cup - its due to talent pooling.
As Korean who watches K league not true. Chinese i never seen football lover. Korean mostly likes football. National football is not corrupt either anyone can critize them. At least we keep Bento for some yrs. Right abt talent pool cuz most play and watch football. You must be talking abt money that goes in. China is far more but it goes to foreign players like Hulk Oscar. What is the point if u not invest on their ppl. Govt is so corrupted dont care abt its ppl. Dont even have enough hospitals for covid but invest on ad in world cup? China is corrupted as whole. Cant even watch youtube where nowdays huge part of watching football sourcr
Korea-Japan national team
Korea 42 wins 96 goals
Japan 16 wins 33 goals
U14~U23 Korea-Japan team
Korea 75 wins 193 goals
Japan 25 wins 61 goals
All Total
Korea 116 wins 285 goals
Japan 41 wins 94 goals
Korea vs Japan China National Team (Total Match Wins and Goals)
Korea 42 wins 92 goals
Japan 16 wins 33 goals
Korea 21 wins 41 goals
China 2 wins 4 goals
U14~U23 Korea vs Japan China Team (Total Match Wins and Goals)
Korea 75 wins 193 goals
Japan 25 wins 61 goals
Koera 74 wins 84 goals
China 25 wins 20 goals
All Total
Korea 116 wins 285 goals
Japan 41 wins 94 goals
Korea 95 wins 125 goals
China 27 wins 24 goals
Korea 211 wins 410 goals
vs
Japan China 68 wins 118 goals
Korea 321 wins 1146 goals
vs
Southeast Asia 51 wins 66 goals
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China just bad in football, they don't have a football culture also a corrupted asf lol
They are damn good at weightlifting though. But yea, it's not a team sport. Badminton can be a team sport with and they are also really good at it.
Soccer be Like :
In USA : is Business
In Europe : Is a Business , Culture , Brutal Hooligan , Intense Rivalry
in South America: Religion
Rest of the world : escaping from personal problems
china women football team is good they just won asian cup 2022
Chinese soccer/football sucks because China isn't a developed country the same way Japan/Korea are in Asia, most lower to middle class family want their kids going to good schools and finding a good stable job and there isn't a "safety-net" for being poor in China, being a poor person in China is way worse then being a poor person in Japan/Korea. If a kid has 6 hours of free time a day the "return on investment" is much higher to send that kid to a prep-school than to send that kid to a soccer training camp for the family. It's a real fear in China to be so poor in China where a person can "starve to death". And there isn't that much money in soccer in China even if you do "make it" so even if your kid is the 1/100,000 that becomes a pro-soccer player you are not gonna make the same money playing for a club or team as oppose to becoming a business executive, tech-worker, or any white-collar jobs. Same can be said about other team-sports like basket ball.
The "market" isn't there for the business and the "skills" isn't there for the fans, and the "talent" isn't there because of the economic incentives.
I don't think its about China being a poor country, the sport is just not popular there. Just look at South America and Africa way poorer than China but they are okay at soccer mainly because it's their main sport.
? China kicks ass in so many other sports.
the problem is not because chinese kids rather focus to education lol , i mean other chinese sport good for example like badminton ,pingpong, swimming, gymnastic basketball and now MMA very popular , the problem is football not really popular in china ,also china dont have strong role model in football like in other chinese sport like yaoming in basketball and zhang weili in UFC or like japan always use football anime story for motivation like captain tsubasa or blue lock even tho japan always stuck on round 16 lol
This is the most dumbest assessment I have read lol. You guys can't even beat Vietnam am and Thailand anymore. Lol
@@tigerfist2864 for motivation? According to your logic, shaolin soccer should have made China a football superpower
한국에서 축구는 한세기 동안 내셔널 스포츠였다.
1948년에 올림픽 8강에 갔고
1954년에 아시아 최초로 월드컵에 진출하고 1956년과 1960년에 아시안컵을 우승한 기억때문에 한국에서는 축구가 가장 인기있는 스포츠다. 물론 야구도 한국에서 인기 스포츠지만 국가대표팀은 비교가 안될정도로 축구가 다른 스포츠 종목보다 압도적으로 인기가 많다.
그리고 한국인은 월드컵이 모든 올림픽 게임보다 훨씬 더 중요한 이벤트이며 차범근, 박지성, 손흥민으로 이어지는 유럽 무대에서 활약하는 선수들도 보유하고 있기 때문에 축구 선수가 단연 가장 존경받고 인기 있는 운동선수다.
요샌 야구가 최고 아닌가요? 아니면 league of legend...
@@cualcualcualNo.
영원히 축구가 1위..
Three metres theory. Chinese people don't like body contact. As long as there opponents are three metres away from them, they're good at that sport.
It’s a super large field for very few to enjoy in such a crowded country.
Ikr. Why aren't they better? Especially after shaolin soccer movie came out.
One could say that Shaolin Soccer highlights a problem with Chinese soccer -- the focus on entertainment value instead of serious competition.
@@unifieddynasty yes ,china should start make realistic football movie or anime like japan did for motivation they have captain tsubasa and blue lock even tho japan always stuck on round 16 world cup, but thats not bad for asia
I mean, I've seen China play on the pitch and Oh man! It's like they play ping-pong with that ball. Not to mention that sportsmanship is out of the window.
Hello, I am Japanese. Football is not the only sport. China is strong in table tennis, athletics, fencing, volleyball, basketball and badminton. There is no country on earth that is top in all disciplines.
Yes, soccer isn't the only sport in the world.
Nobody said foot ball is the only sport?
Soccer is still the most popular and prestigous sport. The sports youve listed, are not even close..
@@Hamza-qs7ez Its football. also thats not the point.
@@faustinuskaryadi6610
Only the most popular sport in the world by FAR. And most competitive because most young boys dream about being a pro.
For information is called football not soccer ,
now the only solution for china is they have to promote football in movies/anime to inspire kids and then send hundreds of thousands of kids/youth to many european football academies, I mean they use this strategy in education, sending many students to many top universities in western countries for decades, and the result when they came back they made china economy better , this logic also can be applies to football or any sport
fun fact even all argentinan player also only play in europe club ! their skill improved a lot in europe, theres no way u can make great nation team if only play in local club ! so send all young chinese player to europe academy is the only solution
Japan is actually just mediocre in football with many anime that produced from 1980s to date, it's actually shame for Japan for even never entered semi final in FIFA world cup.
In other hand, without many badminton themed TV show, China dominated both Thomas and Uber cup.
@@faustinuskaryadi6610Japan is really good at football, proven by a lot of Japanese players playing in European top leagues also the most successful national team in Asia, and they just unlucky in the world stage just because there's a lot of existing behemoths like france, brazil, spain, germany, argentina, etc but i believe that Japanese national team could go further in the world cup by near future
Lee Kang In the korean, playing in Spain since his teenage years....still suck at football...that's how difficult it is
China needs to do a Blue Lock
China focuses on individual vs team sports, because they want to win the Olympic gold medal race.
In Basketball China won FIBA Asia Cup 16 times more than Japan and South Korea.
Its called football, not soccer!
football is a different game. We're talking about soccer here.
There are so many theory on the internet.
most of them can explain why Chinese football(fk soccer) team is bad, but cannot explain why is it extremely bad.
I mean, with the same system, China do good in Olympic, not that good but decent on basketball.
I cannot give an clear answer too but those factors must be mutually effective.
Plus there're some coincidence which make Chinese football reach this lowest status.
PS: the theory said Chinese males cannot do teamwork is definitely an out-of-date bullshit trash.
I feel it's a theory from 60s or 70s when mainland China was really in a poor state
so there are some unconfident, defeatism old Chinese boomers create bunch of different ideas to self-depreciate.
Today's youngster don't buy it at all.
Some easy evidence to show Chinese males can do great teamwork is to check the success of Chinese manafatury industry.
The industry require teamwork, principle and sacrifice.
Chinese male basketball national team won FIBA's Asia Cup 16 times more than Japanese and Korean, so China is suck in team work is just biased theory.
Stop saying Soccer. ITS FOOTBALL. 😑
Money can't buy Passion, football culture, skills
I’m realising being a semi professional player means im top 200 Hong Kong players 😂😢
This was my question for years as to why China and India simply couldn't find 25 players (11 starters + subs) out of 1.4+ billion people to have team that can advance to the World Cup. I mean, China is known to dominant in certain sports and so much money is pumped/invested by the Chinese government so it's not like they don't have the funding and certainly not enough people. To this day, it baffles me.
China doesn't have a grounds up playing culture...while S. Korea and Japan have...They found their way in football. It doesn't matter how much money you put into it or how much you like watch it. You need a football playing culture that starts very early with age. China doesn't have that.
Each sport has different approach and pathways to achieve professional level of competitiveness. Population can only be leveraged if they are aiming to be decent at lot vastly different sports. Otherwise, population has no bearing in actual results. Lot of low population countries can be great at certain sports with proper focus. China does well in certain sports, but their approach for football has been not quite the right one even with a lot of money and vast pool of population.
In case of football, a nation has to create the culture of football first and then nurture a professional league that can sustain itself. The government can't just force creating it. SK and Japan took a long time to nurture their first generation of proper professional footballers and their local professional leagues. It took a lot of individual passion besides private initiatives. Not just bringing talents from other countries, but also sending their youth to learn with the best. For instance, Zico was really important for Japanese football. The right people have to be there too. It's not just buy any talent and expect greatness. The talent they bring need to be invested in it too.
I think a down top approach like Japan and SK (and some extend Australia) is probably the way to go. Qatar also tried to buy its way at competitive national team, but with no avail. The top down approach from both Qatar and CCP seem not good for football no matter how much they spend.
@@darkuser9992 haha no grounds up player culture? China has over 15,000 junior football teams. Compare that to 80 junior football teams in S. Korea. China has 200 times more junior football players than S. Korea. Guus Hiddink once said that Chinese players are absolutely un-coachable because they are selfish and arrogant. Physically speaking, Chinese players are not inferior to S. Korean players. Chinese football sucks because Chinese players have no respect for each other or their coaches. Have you even watched single game China played? No teamwork whatsoever. Always trying to outshine each other. They play football not as a team but try to play it as an individual sport. Simple as that.
It is not any different than the USA. Soccer is one of the most played sports for young kids in America. However, USA still has problems producing phenomenal men soccer team. In America, when a kids gets to the age of 14 or 15, they more than likely change to other more popular sports like football, basketball, rugby, etc... As mentioned by several individuals, the culture is not there to support soccer. Regardless of how many people you have, if there are no support, good players will not be made. China is not any different than America. It will take several generations before a good team in china can be found.
yeah it is ironic. China did invent Football its called Cuju. But no no football team
In the first place, there is a prestigious soccer school in China, but it's strange that you can't enter without money. Soccer should be played even by children in slums. When I was a kid and a soccer ball exploded, adults bought me one for kids like me. Soccer should be played by everyine
Guys I reckon you should cover more on East Asians and football and use football instead of soccer and it would hit 🔥
it's called soccer, football is a completely different game. Even the japanese call it sakka.
China needs to step up their soccer game for the Asian population please they have no excuse to be this bad. Im not Chinese so idk but I think they don’t really care for soccer the way other countries do.
Whats interesting is that China is similar to canada in that their womens soccer team is pretty good but the mens soccer team sucks balls. Its a shame
As a Chinese I'd say it's because of the system. It's the reason for Everything about CN If you know you know
so Chinese male and female footballer are not under the same system?
I was surprised that the U.S. Soccer Team made it farther than China's. China and the rest of Eurasia were passionate towards soccer. The women's team always got their shit shined all around.
Honestly I don't see genuine large-scale passion from Chinese people for the sport of soccer. Rather, Chinese people are passionate about seeing their team win, nothing more. Ask any group of people to actually play soccer with you, they will more likely than not come up with excuses to opt out. They just don't like playing the sport for the most part.
On the other hand, sports like table tennis, badminton, basketball, and others may not get hyped on the media as much, but are simply far more popular in China by raw participation.
US soccer team is still B to C class in the world compared to Latin Americans.
@Faustinus Karyadi yeah cause most young kids in America want to go to the NFL. And in Latin America they all want to be the next Messi.
Why do YOU think China is so bad at soccer?
Because they focus too much on ping pong.
Because they don’t have experience outside of china. Scouters are hard to get into china.
All they got is mainland experience
@@user-wx5yz4xu9g like i said they don’t have experience, there was a time like you said but not anymore now. Like you said it’s all about the money and bringing food to the table. The motivation is money and not legacy.
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If you had researched this topic in Chinese media, you would've understand why they always underperform. One short answer, each position represents a special interest group, the player is just a representative.
It isn’t just China though. Almost all of East Asia sucks in soccer, Korea and Japan are exceptions to this.
Popularity doesn’t explain it completely either. For example, soccer is huge in Thailand, Malaysia, and Vietnam but their teams barely register on the international scale.
It really is hard to clearly pin down a reason for China’s lack of success on the world stage. I suspect the CCP’s top down approach to their sports programs combined with the rampant corruption discouraging potential talents from even getting started are big factors.
@AL S Soccer is very popular in those 2 countries, slightly edged out by baseball
All asian countries except for Korean and Japanese suck at football specially southeast asian and south asian third world country losers , bye bye hahahaha
@AL S Soccer is easily the most popular sport in Korea. 11.14 million Koreans watched their World Cup opener against Uruguay, but only 2.709 million watched their World Baseball Classic game against Japan.
@AL S From Wikipedia: "A 2021 poll showed that a plurality of 25% of South Korean sports fans identified football as their favorite sport, with baseball ranked 2nd at 18.8% of respondents"
then why CCP's top down approach and rampant corruption doesn't hurt China woman football team? or basketball team or Olympic sports?
Chinese play it like it's a team kungfu match. They injure ppl so much 🤷♂️🤨
India too..
Because they wait for Indonesia to become good at soccer first
Both Chinese and Indonesian are better in Badminton than soccer.
They need to completely destroy the soccer program and get rid of 95% of the national players, coaches, and organization.
They keep hiring washed up European coaches that was successful 10-15 years ago and not now.
Their players are egotistical, lazy, and unskilled, but paid fairly well.
Their coaches don't know how to develop players.
Just get rid of it, and stop funding them. Just use that funding to pay their women's national team that has far higher success than the men's team. This applies to basketball, volleyball, and soccer.
With China's ambitions they want to be the next Brazil when it comes to soccer.
Aren't you guys being little too greedy when you guys already win most medals from Olympics?
Definitely the environment. Theres a gross imbalance of places to practice soccer. Theres a 100:1 ratio of basketball fields to soccer fields
Is it two different guys talking or one dude talking?
Wu lei in real sociedad La liga 😂
Interesting. When it comes to gaming/esport, China is very competitive and strong in team games. But in physical sports, yeah they suck. But then again, the esports teams have way more freedom and are much more driven by market forces to succeed while the physical sports team are hand selected and not driven by market forces. So I think Chinese don’t have an issue working as teams, clearly in every endeavor, China is very successful, it takes alot of teamwork to build and support a nation that size in the amount of time they’ve did it, but sport teams aren’t necessarily the pinnacle of what makes a country successful. It’s actually only really good for amusement, sometimes it’s motivating, and it can help with nationalism, but I don’t think China needs help in the nationalism department to be quite honest.
Football is market driven in China. Just check out the cars those football players drive.
@@johnwesson2759 RNG?
Nope, if you haven't noticed chinese dominate in individual sports, but not in team sports. There's also the interesting fact that chinese women team sport such as soccer, basketball and volleyball are the top in the world.
The main problem with soccer is china don't have that many good coaches from the grade school level to post high school, they are mostly concentrated in big cities such as Beijing and Shanghai, shengzhen etc but there are lots of talents in the north west, south west, north east, but they lack resources
@@GIN.356.A RNG still havent won a single worlds....... Only Chinese teams that won worlds are with Korean aces.
@@johnnybaum7957 1 world's is not the only international competition.
2. Scout, doinB, theshy, and even rookie built their career in China. They barely played in LCK.
Gimgoon is hardly an "Ace"
The only player that was high profile and an import is Viper.
The chinese can't win without Korean narrative doesn't stand once you take a deeper look into the facts.
maybe its the lack of grassroots support?
Soccer is originally from North China🇨🇳(PRC) and not from South China🇹🇼(RC).
*football
South Korea losing to Jordan is more than a Shame. Total disgrace
Part of it is genetics. Korea was better at soccer than China and Japan back when it was almost the poorest country in the world. Search for Cha Boom the legendary Korean player who reached the top level in the 70s where there was no real infrastructure nor system in Korea. Plus, North Korea is as good as China. I'm not saying that to discriminate or anything. It's just tha we have to admit that countries like Uruguay Netherlands are likely to be good at soccer with less population. Koreans are tallest compared to China and Japan. The Dutch are famous for their height. Brazil has such a diverse ethnicity.
Another factor is corruption. I heard there's a connection around Shanghai region. There are so many players from two teams based in Shanghai in the Chinese national team. I mean if they loose to HongKong, which is practically a city team it means their national team doesn't consist of the best players in the country. Education cannot be a reason to be worse than Korea. Since Koreans are also crazy about education and young players don't get general education that much.
Basically, the career risk of becoming football players is higher in China than Korea or Japan, for example in Korea and Japan if you turn out to be just mediocre player, you still can play in 2nd or 3rd league team. But not like that in China with higher social pressure.
More importantly, environment in Korea is very supportive when it comes to sports especially the famous one like baseball and football. They're really treat them better than idols and celebrities
@@GilangRamadhan-gi1dv do you think China don't good on sports? China just not good in football doesn't mean not good on any sport. Chinese national male basketball team won more FIBA's Asian Cup than Japanese and Korean combined. Also, Chinese are good on badminton for both genders.
They love basketball more.
As to say I do believe it happens in all cultures not just China, probably Taiwan might be better than China in soccer.
After all one day China might be the next Brazil one day!
South Korea National Football Team: Asia's Brazil and France!
Japan National Football Team: Asia's Argentina and Spain!
China National Football Team: Asia's Mexico and Russia!
You have to look at the US. Despite having benefited a lot thanked to the fact the USA sits in a weaker region (CONCACAF), football is still struggling to develop organically. Even by 2020s, only 20-30% Americans are really addicted to football, the football that they called soccer, and Americans are still trying to understand the sport that is only 3rd or 4th most popular.
In here China faces even stiffer opponents. It's not like these teams are stronger than CONCACAF teams, but note the types of teams China faces: Australia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Japan, South Korea, Iraq, the UAE, Qatar, Vietnam, Jordan, Oman, Thailand and Uzbekistan. By contrast, who the USA faces? Only Mexico and Costa Rica, though recently have Honduras, Panama, El Salvador, Jamaica, Haiti, Trinidad and Tobago, and Canada joining the party. The AFC alone produces the Big Five (Australia, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Japan) as well as many teams in the same level with China; whereas CONCACAF only produces Mexico and Costa Rica, technically the strongest, thus the USA was able to take advantages, even though some other teams also emerged recently.
While poor management and the lack of a concrete program to balance academic and sporting life, especially football, is the key reason, it is also not helped by the fact that China has to face stronger oppositions. Had the USA been put to the same scenario, they would have had similar difficulties to qualify for the World Cup. Remember that the US' football management is as terrible as China.
Like a lot of China's current problems, it may also be rooted in the Single Child policy. There are actually studies showing that YOUNGER siblings are significantly more likely to be elite athletes. I think the reasons should be obvious, but I would imagine this especially affects teamwork. People with siblings just have such a huge advantage when it comes to social skills, and communication and probably non-verbal communication as well. I think the reason women don't have as much of an issue is because women are just naturally more social so the lack of siblings don't impact them as much.
Just think of an elite team sport athlete and then google their name + siblings. I couldn't find a single one who didn't have siblings.
LeBron James
@@warmpi exception does not prove the rule. I also clearly stated it’s “significantly more likely” not “the only ones who can be.” The ratio is still heavily in favor of people with siblings.
@@bigheadrhino lol not debating the point (though your argument would've been better served had you actually posted those studies). But you said you couldn't find a single example. And I find one easily by just googling the number 1 basketball player lol
China is only bad at male football, China is doing quite well in rest of sports.
@@umbrellastudio7481 male team sports? They do well and individual sports for sure.
Footballing world doesn't call football a soccer. Those countries who followed US term footsteps like Korea and Australia will never be as competitive as to those of Latin and European. If China wants to compete, they got to more aligned towards sucessful nations in footballing philosophy and it's tactics. Japan is one such example and Germany football made them to where they stand today. Afterall football success is about passion and sacrifice.
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Fr I don't get how china is so bad. A country that back should have a decent team.
It’s not soccer it’s football
Why not a (real )Shaolin soccer team dayum that would be something else no?
That’s true but I’m chinese😢😢😢😢
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Give it a few years, you need like 2-3 well off generations before the kids don't need to worry about financial success in life to give sports, arts and entertainment more growth. China hasn't seen it's massive growth until the last 20 years, that's 1 generation.
Then you have South American countries like Brazil.
@@loganmiller6879 in Brazil it's like a tradicion. Kids are born witha football under their arms. You are comparing apples with oranges. Soccer' in China is relatively new, in Brazil it's something the kids play just for fun.Also in Brazil is a opportunity to get aot of poverty for lot of people, they put 100% on it and not everyone it's successful. There are a bigger talent pool, more motivation to be great. I think only to the fact of competing it's great,because it's how you learn about you flaws , learn from your opponent and grow..It's only a sport, don't need to be politize or engage in destructive criticism. It's suppose to be fun
Basketball.
Will China's soccer ever win against South Korea and Japan?
Against Korea just once. But now i think they have no chance and likely lose to Vietnam and Thai also.
So future is even worse for China. I root for Vietnam and other south Asian and some middle east countries.
Amount of love effort for football from Japan and Korea is huge. Devotion and sacrifices. Like Son
We ain't good at soccer but we surely are good at basketball lmao
China is no 2 in basketball behind USA