English Football Fans BANNED From Protesting
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- čas přidán 6. 05. 2023
- In 2021, it was football fans in England who forced Premier League owners into backing out of the proposed European Super League, which ultimately led to the league's collapse.
Just two years on, the ability of those fans to protest, whether that be Manchester United supporters against the Glazers or Liverpool fans in regard to FSG, has potentially been thwarted by the U.K. government.
In this video, HITC Sevens takes a look at the two controversial pieces of legislation in question, the history of protest movements within and outside of football, and whether the U.K. is creeping towards authoritarianism. - Sport
If you live in the UK this new legislation should concern you regardless of your political affiliation. We're not talking about foreign policy or economic measures, we're talking about the basic human right to protest against something that you disagree with. In some cases, such as those who glue themselves to roads there does need to be an ability for the police to clear the disruption, however this legislation opens up a significant can of worms in regards to over policing and protest quashing. Whether or not you think it affects you now it certainly could in the future.
We tried to warn them but they labeled us fascists and nazis.
@@chiefkeef74Or anarchists and communists
@@archstanton6102 the anarchists and commies were the ones pushing for these laws.
@@chiefkeef74 Maybe because that's what you are? The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
@@soundscape26 and now it's bitten you in the ass as well. Surprised?
I truly unironically love when Alfie talks about the intersection of football and politics. Always the most interesting videos IMO
Actually no because they are the most factually unfounded and mostly consist of him regurgitating his opinion. I like his sports videos but anything else is painful to watch - just like any other "sports and politics" pundits.
@@playingmusiconmars so you just mean you don't agree with his politics...
@@Kriscur20 kinda that's also the point
Personally I don't like him talking about politic as 1st, it's based on his opinion and 2nd, he always bad mouthing non Europe (or at least that's how I felt) when he talk about it
@@fakhrianuar9264 I was being sarcastic. He says these videos are "the most factually unfounded". What facts are unfounded? He doesn't mention any. Thats my point.
never understood anyone saying that sport and politics don't mix, obviously they don't understand the history of both
Same applies to anything really whether it be film, literature, music... We don't exist in a vacuum and politics permeates into all aspects of life.
@@bleedingpepper agreed, but you will get people sating they don't do politics! lol
@@bleedingpepper If you're not a cis, straight, white male your life is political lol
Indeed. If it's not political then why do sportsmen and women represent their countries?
@MB i think you will find its right wing , so fascism would be more apt
Wait. What? Human Rights are genuinely going backward
Yes it was a big fear of BREXIT was that we'd lose human rights protected by EU legislation. Which is why many were anti brexit (the ones that knew of the potential consequences rather than laser focused on immigrants and bendy bananas)
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Can’t lie we have it easy in Europe 😂idk if we can say this
Because swathes of the population have had it drummed into them for decades by the papers they read that Human Rights are bad because they only help refugees and asylum seekers, who they have been convinced are not human.
Welcome to brexit
I can't help but think, "you get what you deserve!". I witnessed the introduction of illegal practices being adopted by the police back in the 1990s and spent years telling people that we were at risk of losing all of our rights if nothing was done to hold them to account. I'm talking about police turning up to protests with masks and with no identifying numbers displayed on their uniforms. I couldn't believe what I was seeing when hordes of uniformed officers with no I.D. turned up to square up to the people protesting the first Gulf war... They used a procedure called 'Kettling', I believe, where they confined us into an ever shrinking space to the point that people were getting trampled by each other and then the cavalry rode their massive horses through the crowd... of peaceful people including mothers with small children, pushchairs and prams. I couldn't believe how many people were willing to knowingly break the law in order to defend the government's decision to go to war. There were hundreds of them!
Nobody gave a damn, not even when it happened again for the second Gulf war.
This latest legislation carries all the hallmarks of the extreme arrogance of the political elite who have been in charge for so long without even the slightest threat to their authority emerging in over a hundred years. People have been happy to accept the loss of their rights and freedoms without complaint or resistance and the powers that be have no respect for us anymore.
well if you don't like it, the door is over there, see yourself out. we don't need you and your filth
For this see miners strike
Never should have given up your right to bear arms.
That's been going on for years anyway, they've just legalised themselves to do it.
"A moment of reflection reveals that their Highness is our Lowness"
-Cosmic Skeptic when talking about the Monarchy
love the video, just wanna say as someone who works in a football stadium in the uk, and has to do a lot of coordinating with the police, i can say first hand that majority of the police (at least in my experience) think of football fans as almost a herd of dogs they’re trying to get in and out of the stadium without causing any issues. The way the treat them is most often with an attitude of guilty until they get home. It becomes so obvious from being there when you see the difference in how they interact with people who are just walking through the area in comparison to anybody wearing a football shirt
Combining class struggle and football. Excellent video Alfie 👏
+1 for calling out the neverending freedom-eroding legislation, which was hastily passed and has since been expanded upon by both Republicans and Democrats after 9/11.
Most people are still in denial about all of that here in the US when to literally everyone everywhere else it is so obvious 😑
...NSA is gonna put me on a list for posting this 😳
Anyway, awesome video. Way to go, Alfie 👏👏👏
There's a constant, and I feel increasing of late, number of tweets that I see that are basically "Yes, this really is how it works in the US, and yes, this is how the people can and do get treated." Things like workers' rights, recent legislation, gun (non-)control, etc.
If there's one thing that we humans are good at, it's building up some great things, then having some others come in and trying to screw it all up in the guise of "public safety" and "freedoms"
>NSA is gonna put me on a list for posting this
First time?
this is not about 'freedom eroding'. this is about maintaining civility
you want to see freedom eroding? go to a comedy club
This is what leftists do. Stop being useful-idiots! The right is right
@@chiefkeef74 da glowies
Love your sense of humour & sarcasm Alfie. Yorkshireman living in rural Thailand (Leeds fan) your posts are much appreciated, you are one of the few Content Creaters I don't mind earning a living from what you do because it's a good product, well researched, to the point & just the subtle p-takes are hilarious. Keep up the good work.....gotta go grab another beer it's 43C over here. Cheers, Andy. 🙏🙏🙏
Andy, unless you're going to invite us all over for a beer, we don't want to know how glorious it is in Thailand.
@@JoshAston23 Josh consider yourself formally invited....no problem.👍👍
i think this comment was just an excuse to flex the glorious thailand
Great, great work. That legislation is draconian and has absolutely no place in a free and open society.
The way you manage to link these important messages to football is incredibly impressive and vital, as always, love the videos. Thanks Alfie!
I love your videos Alfie, they usually are always so informative and entertaining but this one was one of the best, thank you for constantly educating me in the sport of football, while also doing it in history!Huge fan from California
Yet again, I am here to say : I bloody love this channel.
Every single day it feels like Football is slowly but surely becoming a dystopian sport, if not already 🤦🏽♂️
Alfie never stop the political/football docs, they're amazing
Well said! Football is the people’s game !
Even football fan's don't believe that nonsense. People always get attacked by football fans for not going to every game
The rich peoples game
Since you mentioned Macclesfield Town, you could do a video on the phoenix club Macclesfield FC, who got ownership of their stadium and have since had a far higher attendance than they did in their last few EFL seasons, despite being in the eighth division. It might not be a view magnet, admittedly.
Sport is the "canary in the mine" this kind of reporting is essential. I'm actually scared by all this bollocks and I've screamed dissent in a lot of police officer's faces. Is it time to take up arms?!
This channel has always been a cut above, but recently Alfie has been on absolute fire!
The same has been happening in France after the recent protests against the retirement bill, this is just catastrophic, our rights are going back 100 years in the past, not just for football fans, but everyone else, this is an attack on the common people
Yeah because people are cowards now. They must overthrow the government and punish all of their corrupt police personnels and change the law themselves. That's the only way to deal with government terrorism.
The rulers of our oligarchy are frightened of the people
Suggestion: In Poland 🇵🇱 it’s looking like both Slask Wrocław and Lechia Gdańsk will be relegated from the Ekstraklasa this year. Both clubs are from two of Poland’s biggest cities, and both play in stadiums built for Euro 2012 with capacities of over 40,000, which are now way too big for both teams. Now both clubs average about 5-10,000 people at matches, well short of capacity. It looks like both stadiums are possibly white elephants. Shame because they’re both fantastic cities.
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I don’t care about football much but i freaking love your videos. I exclusively watch the one’s related to politics and i would love it if you started a 2nd channel purely focused on politics.
The Tory’s need to be removed from power and these laws reversed on day one of new government! It’s actually horrific!
I agree, but even if they are removed from power (at the next general election) what guarantee is there that the incoming government will do just that? I'm willing to bet none of the party manifestos will include so much as a single word about doing so.
They should be ousted in the next general elections.
The new government wouldn't change it. They'll be all for increased powers too.
Do you honestly believe that?
Labour are not going to reverse these laws. They will use them for their own benefit.
That dig at Tottenham never gets old
Brilliant. Well researched and excellently put. Unique in football podcasts. Well done 👍👍
I really appreciate your essays man.
Watching from NYC, idk any other channels like this one.
What a great video! alot of heavy topics covered, it was a scary watch because i was worried you would say something that might get you cancelled, but it was all stuff people need to hear. 👏
By far and away the best and most informative footy bloke since John Motson.
Very enjoyable and meaningful. Much respect, much love
BRILLIANT!!!!!
You are a force for the GOOD!
In the 1990’s I was part of the HULL Coalition against the Criminal Justice Bill/act,
We were criminalised for wanting to PARTY!
I can’t believe we have had further rights to protest taken away in recent times!
Barring Former MP Rory Stuart no one seems to have spoken out!
At Carlisle United we protested against Michael Knighton it had to be done!
THIS VIDEO IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN JUST OUR BEAUTIFUL GAME!!!!!!!!
Brilliant
Great work. The criminalisation of dissent and protest is something that should worry everybody, but sadly few people seem to care or notice till it impacts them directly. The clear solution is for everybody to attend football games as an away fan.
It’s an attack on non compliance.
Be a sheep, comply or be criminalised.
Thank you for highlighting this issue Alfie.
The more I’m told not to, the more I want to
Wow that‘s the first time I heard from that protest law from the UK. thats really had.
Only really came in last year as brexit happened
Always a fan of your videos Alfie and this one is right up there. If anything should go viral, this video is one of them
Excellent stuff Alfie, as it is worrying as The awful Tories slide towards fascism...👍👍✊️
They have never been anything but
New Labour are just as bad.
Imagine Alfie making a video in 10 years time with the title "What happened to the club that relocated to Mars".
Good work Alfie. Historically content, and strong examples.
Been loving your videos as of late. It’s refreshing to hear some political commentary in football videos. Your commentary is spot on as always.
great video alfie, thank you for making this 👍
Great Rant
Listening from Kenya
I used the same argument in writing my dissertation in undergraduate
Surprisingly, I argued that in Britain where Kenya got such laws emanated, Britain being Kenya's colonial power, had long banned such laws
Sad to see it coming back there
You’re seriously good at this. Never stop
As an American, we are not ok on the slightlest and are rapidly becoming a fascist theocracy. I dont wanna see the same for others, including many European nations who have progressed far beyond "the greatest nation on earth"
Great video thank you so much for making It! As an American I am so absorbed in my own democracy being restricted that I had no idea about this in the UK. Seems like more or less we are all in the same boat
Remarkabe! Thank you fior this!
Best video I've seen on this channel. And we even saw evidence of this yesterday!
It is now time for Britains best, 50 year old men with beer bellies, that are likely Swansea City season ticket holders, to rise up.
So now you english want to rely on the welsh, when you ignore them all the time.
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 you must be great fun at parties, was a joke u spack
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 I mean... Story of English-Welsh relations if we're being honest
Lmfao that mental image killed me in how fitting it is
Oh so now you want people who care about the country to stand up and protest, did you also say that during blm? Or then would that just be a edl march to you? Hypocrisy although I agree youse need to do something in the UK the overreach is mad hopefully things get violent too peaceful protests don't work
As always, thanks for an awesome video!
Props to you Alfie, for being so outspoken on stuff that probably gets you a lot of hate. Respect.
Excellent analysis!
Great video thanks, carry on it's very interesting to learn how football and politics are entangled
Yet another excellent video. Well done!
Great video Alfie. Your political video are the best. Incredibly inciteful and thought provoking. Cheers x.
What a great video, its very worrying but you presented it in an awesomely funny way.
Brilliant video. Please make this a podcast!!
You definitely got a good sense when it comes to the nuance surrounding policing between groups/classes/race
Black people are obssesed with playing victim. The whyte man has to baby-sit an entire civilization..
Love your videos Archie love from NYC
It may have been for 2 seconds but thank you for mentioning Rushden. A huge part of my life and such a sad ending
I actually love your video about politics.
It makes you stand out.
6th request: @HITCSevens Idea for episode: the 7 players currently playing in the lowest division in England to have played (or still playing) senior international football. Eg Knory Scott plays for Bermuda + Hastings Utd (level 7); Anthony Jeffrey plays for Guyana + Billericay Town (7). I bet you can find someone below Level 7 🙂
Gibraltar's last squad included Niels Hartman at Loughborough University FC (United Counties League Premier Division North, step 9) as well as.Reece Styche at Matlock Town (Northern Premier League, step 7).
Also, Anguilla's national football team lists a Calvin Morgan of Chalvey Sports (Combined Counties League division 1, step 9) and a Luke Paris, currently playing for Uxbridge but a source I've read says he made his international debut whilst playing at Langley FC, which, at the time, was in the Hellenic League (step 10)
And finally, this would also make a great question for the Guardian newspaper's "Knowledge" section (where one can ask rather specific football related questions and potentially get all sorts of rather detailed replies, if you've not come across it already- you can email them and there's a specific Twitter account too). I wonder if there's been any players from non pyramid teams (ie Sunday league type)?
i'm sure this isn't a problem for Man City
How has this team won the league 4 times in the last 5 years and I’m STILL yet to even meet one Man City fan ☠️
I’ve met 4 Brentford fans and 3 Burnley fans 😂
@@bababababababa6124 bro facts I’ve even met 3 MK Dons fans 😭 but not a single City fan
@@bababababababa6124 I think most Man City fans are bandwagon fans. They only exist online.
Where do you live though.
Not fucking Manchester I guarantee.
City got 30,000 in the third division, so put a sock in it.
I work at a primary school and I meet lots of City fans every day. The school is in Oxford.
Iv thought this for years. The video when your in your bag is when you link society and football. I see why you don't make more of them as they are more "divisive", but they you have fantastic way of marrying the 2. Great vid aswells Alf
Amazing video as always
Alfie suggestion illd love to hear your take on. Can you talk about trent alexander Arnold funding a project for you players who didnt make it. And if more people in the sport to address this issue due to the over 50% of academy players who dont make it having physiological issues
And this is why we need those tories out of the government. They're too interested in making democracy... Fascism and a dictatorship. This country has gone to crap with them in charge.
Looking forward to Alfie's "Hull City Mars XI: where are they now?" video
Please make a video on the following topics:
-The drama/scandal surrounding Gregg Berhalter and Gio Reyna’s parents during the 2022 FIFA World Cup
-Ranking all of the goals that won the FIFA World Cup Goal of the Tournament Award
-The Dortmund bus bombing in 2017 right before their Champions League Quarterfinal against Monaco
-Breaking down the iconic "Battle of Nuremberg" Round of 16 Match between Portugal and the Netherlands in the 2006 FIFA World Cup where the referee issued a record breaking 4 red cards and 16 yellow cards (Battle of Nuremberg also set the record for most yellow cards in a FIFA World Cup Match and was broken in the 2022 FIFA World Cup when the referee handed out 18 yellow cards during that contentious quarterfinal between Argentina and the Netherlands)
-Breaking Down the Battle of Bridge game in 2016 between Tottenham and Chelsea that not only secured Leicester City the 2015-16 Premiere League title, but also set the record for the most yellow cards given to a single team (9 for Tottenham (and 3 for Chelsea)
Come for the football, but stay for the sarcasm and political/social commentary.
Day 2: 7 Best Loan moves ever.
The loan moves that have greatly benefited the team receiving the player for a limited amount of time. While not exactly the best, I always think of Morientes to Monaco as an example.
Also, it would be so funny to see them try that in France
Edgar Davids to Barcelona
Nathan dyer to Leicester in the prem winning season. Scored the winner in a game against villa our Midlands rivals and getting ko'd in the process
Godfrey Poku to Southport from Luton... Southport should have been relegated from the National League National the season before (having been reprieved at the post season National League AGM due to another club (Rushden and Diamonds?) announcing it was going out of business, a semi-regular situation that's been nicknamed the "AGM Cup"). We got Poku and another player on loan for half a season as part of a deal transferring John Paul Kissock to Luton- we were all gloomy at first as Kissock was something of a flair player, but the team's performances that season were great, with 8 away wins in a row (including six where we scored three goals) although the home form wasn't quite as good. The performances dropped off slightly after the loan period ended but we still managed to maintain a decent level of form such that we were still in contention for a playoff place going into April, which, for a part time club in a mostly professional league, was definitely punching above our weight.
Even if I disagree with your viewpoint or what you would protest for or against, you should still have the right to protest
One of your BEST videos keep it up
I love videos with discussions like these. The crackdown on peaceful protests in countries which are meant to have strong democratic institutions is truly abhorrent & just another way for the rich & powerful to be able to continue pretending that they have no real opposition.
And I genuinely think that 95% of the people who freak out whenever football (or any other cultural touchstone like film or music) and politics are mentioned in the same sentence are just conservatives who are upset because they know they're about to hear a bunch of critiques about policies and beliefs they hold. Because any reasonable person realises that virtually EVERYTHING is linked in some way to politics and can listen to a reasonable discussion about either topic.
Yep. No one other than right wingers with bigoted views is opposed to politics in football
Your videos are always top notch, full of information, incredibly funny (when they’re supposed to be) & show compassion. But I must admit that this might be one of your best. The world is political. Football is political. I might not be British but as an American… we’ve seen the rise of quasi fascism/ authoritarianism in the US through Trump and his knuckle dragging red hats. And so it’s good to see Political Alfie make an appearance. Your politics arent hard to guess from your some of your commentary in your videos. But you really hit a necessary soapbox because football is such a huge industry, cultural movement, etc. The largeness of the FA is like having a country inside of your country. It’s like the British Vatican (football as religion). I loved the way you showed a history of demonstrations/ protests over time and then bring it all together regarding football. Bravo, Alfie!!! ✌🏽❤️⚽️🍄
15:15 Never thought I would see this image in a Hitc Sevens video
Brilliant video as per! For anybody disliking the content may I recommend a loud and noisy protest to get your message across
Very good video 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
For your info, I just subscribed due to this video. Good job mate!
Best football channel on youtube, period.
In Australia there was a test match where over 150 were evicted and the media reported it as boys being boys. Yet 5 people get evicted from the A League and it is the worst thing to happen in Australian sport
Well said.
your best video yet. pls keep it up!
Don’t insult the crime syndicates out there. They don’t deserve to be insulted to be associated with the Conservatives in the UK
Good analysis Alfie. It is authoritarian already in the UK. There were two real reasons for Brexit.
1. New EU rules on putting millions into tax havens which is why the richest MPs were pro-Brexit.
2. So that we can ignore human rights that were protected under EU law.
Never been so ashamed to be British. My grandparents fought a far-right regime in WWII and would be horrified that the UK is becoming one now.
It's worth noting that before and during WW2 among British aristocrats and elites there was a substantial pro-fascist alignment to the point some of them were actively working with the Nazis . The ruling class has always and will always find ways to align itself with fascists.
In 1933 the king was a Nazi sympathetic and he encouraged the royal family to do the nazi salute
I knew a man city fan long before their wealth came , he is sadly passed away so never got see them dominate football
Spain's doing a fine job ignoring human rights regardless of the EU
You're an idiot and reaching for that. Brexit has never been implemented like it was on the ballot and even the shadow of "leaving the EU" that we have now was bundled into a van by the traitors in charge has affected no meaningful change that can't be undone in under a week.
I have lived in European countries that aren't in the EU. They are thriving. The difference is the way they are able to vote and who is able to run for office and with how much funding (I.e. direct democracy in Switzerland).
great video alfie
Great video.
Another awesome video, keep it up
Great Video!
Otherwise called 'class war'' within football. The owners and moderate middle and upper class fans (hardly actual fans, more like customers) are unlikely to not support authoritarian measures in the name of safety and social peace. So ther you have it, the next episode of a reactionary attack to whatever could rally people behind an idea, namely a radical one. Hopefully one reaps what one sows. Great video Alfie!
Excellent Video!
What a video, welldone mate, absolutely eye opening
Masterfully weaving the social and political history of the past 100 years of protest in the Western world with football. I especially loved the bit about the suffragettes; I'm an American so we only learned about the movement in America and it was very watered down. It wasn't until taking a British History course that I learned about Emmaline Pankhurst and how radical it all was
Masterclass of a video.
Alfie as fellow lefty I have to say the insinuation that Extinction rebellion is overall or overwhelmingly popular in the U.K. seems glaringly out of touch, I’m certain polling data suggests otherwise, and anecdotally as someone who lives in a very liberal non religious part of the U.K. I think particularly for over 40s it’s extremely unpopular. I agree with their message and their right to demonstrate of course, and I agree they are fairly moderate in terms of their means of protest particularly speaking historically.
Listen back! I said they are resoundingly popular in comparison to a lot of former social and protest movements. The point being, yes, they're very unpopular, so are most social & protest movements - that doesn't mean they can't be effective, worthwhile, or remembered well in history.
@@HITCSevens ah I see, the statement was in contrast to other similar movements of the past. Gotcha, that’s my bad! Makes a lot more sense now, I generally find your takes pretty balanced and willing to factor in most sides of the argument so I probably should’ve given you benefit of the doubt there (and re-watched to make sure I understood correctly 😂), sorry!
No problem, and cheers!
thank you alfie
This guy's humor is so dry it's funny....
He's a CZcams treasure
Politicians: What do we believe in?
People: Free speech.
Politicians: What do we hate?
People: Politicians.
Politicians: Arrest them.
Alfie, would you consider make two separate videos that go more in-depth about
1.Corrine Diacre’s controversial/toxic tenure as the manager of France’s Women’s National team which lead her to get sacked last month
and
2.The alleged attack on Kheira Hamaroui by her own former PSG Teammate Aminata Diallo) into this video
He mentioned the Diallo incident in his recent video about French football
The Owen Jones of football youtubers
Yeah he's so far left it's beyond delusional