My Ferrari F430 VS My 458 Italia **ULTIMATE SHOWDOWN**
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- čas přidán 21. 05. 2019
- Before my F430 sells, I wanted to take the opportunity to drive the F430 and immediately drive the 458 to see just how much different and the same they are. Since I currently own both the Ferrari 458 and Ferrari F430, I wanted to use this time to give you my perspective as an owner.
While the F430 is a remarkable and very capable car, it does have some older technology such as the F1 transmission that can make it a bit lurchy at slow speeds, and the shifting is very violent. But it's performance it outstanding and it is one hell of a car. You can find them currently below $100K easily making it perhaps the best deal on the used supercar market.
The 458 Italia is just in an entirely new class. It's performance is simply outstanding, the shifting is lightning fast and it does not disappoint in any way. The big question is, is the 458 worth the 50% more in cost over the F430? I answer that question along with some others in this video.
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I just checked out the F430 and 458 on the market as I wanted to buy my first Ferrari. I test drove both of them, and decided for the F430 in the end. The main reason is what you call rawness, I wanted an analogue, harsh, sporty and hard car. The F430 does that so much better than the 458. If you like the tech, refinement and comfort better, the 458 is the choice. Personally I also like the design of the F430 a bit better, as it looks more classy to me. But that is very subjective.
Good choice, the F430 is sublime. I had the Spider for a time(2years) the best car I ever owned. A brilliant Frank Stephenson design(check him out.) The last of the great V8's. The rest were merely good. you are right about raw, this was so raw a good vet would revive it. Why did I sell? The dealer group I bought from asked me if I'd consider selling it! Then they offered me (After inspection) £10K more than I'd paid for it. Goodbye Fezza, hello Lambo.
If you like refinement and tech get a 488 or F8. The 458 is the best naturally aspirated V8 Ferrari has ever produced hands down. Probably one of the best all time. It’s the perfect mix of the old analogue and the new digital. Plus the 458 is the final naturally aspirated V8 model they ever made so it’ll hold value better. I really wish I got the speciale when I had the chance
430 last great one looks.wise i wanna drive one
You have very good taste in cars.
That F430 was music to my ears!
Haha yes!
Looking at that F430 made me a bit sad, I am gonna miss that car and its sound.
Yeah, me too. :(
I had a gray 2005 F430 which had had a bit of a hard life by the time I bought it - in hindsight it wouldn't have been one that an official Ferrari dealer would have sold. I left the mufflers stock but installed a set of headers to replace the problematic exhaust manifold - it was easily the loudest car in the city. Unbelievable! I've had a lot of cars, but it's the only one my friends were actually scared to ride in. It was brutal. I miss it - I traded it on a California which the wife liked a hell of a lot more, and was nice in different ways, but this video made me a bit sad.
Like the front of the 458 but like the arse of the f430 👍
Yeah I like the dual tail lights better.
430 more raw imo. I personally like the front of the 430 better than the 458
Yea they need a 458 with the back end of a 430 or even the back of a Enzo looks nice I’d have one custom made if I had the money 😂
No, the 458 rear is fantastic
I like the 458 better in every single way. Last NA Ferrari V8 and imo it sounds better
Love the high quality production at the beginning of this video. Keep up the good work!
Interesting video you sounded like you loved the 458 but I noticed the 430 put more smiles on your face and sounded way better?
I definitely like the 458 more but for the moment the 430 sounds better. I'll change that.
I like the smiles now I know what I look like when I drive my 430
Thank you for the video. For what I could see, the F430 is the winner.
That's an acceptable opinion
Its the last of the mid-engined NA V8s you can get from Ferrari with a gated manual. The 430 is the end of an era that began with the 308..............
Love the content of the channel! Thank you for doing these for us!
No problem! :) See you soon.
@@normalguysupercar My wife and I are really looking forward to it.
Great comparison Dan. Good idea to do it before the F430 is gone. Cheers :)
Thanks!
Great reviews and comparison Dan, thank you for sharing!
You're welcome!
Saw that big smile as you were getting the F430 up to speed. "Sound never gets old!" For those who have not driven either car you must put this on your bucket list. Xtreme Experience is a great way to take one around the track (3-4 laps), like I did back in 2013.
Yes!
Great video Dan with lots of great information... The 458 is sweet and I love the red seats...You nailed it as always and of course 👍👍👍👍
Thank you as always. 😁
Best comparison I've seen yet. You hit all the things someone like me (F430 owner) wants to know. The front shark nose heritage of the 430 and the ass end...and engine bay are best on the 430. But the 458 modern interior and engine are hard to ignore. Thanks.
Yeah, looks are subjective and they both look great so it's hard to really say which is better there. But there are just a few things making the 458 just that much better.
Great review, really enjoyed it , thankyou!!
You're welcome! :)
Thanks for your unique comparison, well spoken! I agree with your descriptions, it’s amazing, enjoy amigo!
Thank you!
Nice comparison video Dan. Good info!
Thanks!
Dan, glad you made this comparison video. Sure to get a lot of views on this one.
The video gets into some of the questions I've grappled with. I have the F430 with the F1, and I've driven my buddies 458, but it's great to see this side by side comparison. As a manual oriented car driver, I went with the F1 because I felt it was a way to get the benefits of both worlds. From a value stand point, I also viewed swapping a clutch more economical than dealing with a DCT transmission, and Ferrari's move towards a more modern car with increased electronics. I found that I don't really notice any "lurching" however, I do miss having sensors and a reverse camera. That said, backing up or crawling up an incline sucks. I personally like the kick and more visceral experience of the F430. However, from the cabin, the 458 is unreal during heavy acceleration. It feels and sounds like an F1 car. Slight downside is the 458 is so fast, that you can't enjoy those upper band runs as much on regular roads. Surgical is the right word to use for the 458; at least it's the first word that sprung to my mind when driving it.
The way I see it is; if you're a value oriented, purchasing for the long term and don't mind DIY work I'd hands down go with the F430. It's analog, a blast to drive, and as reliable as you can get for the end of the "classic" Fcars. On the other hand, I find the 458 more attractive, and a car that I wouldn't worry about putting 100k miles on.
My conclusion: I guess it's true what they say on the FerrariChat boards, "always buy the best Ferrari you can afford".
So very true. Either way you won't be disappointed so it really doesn't matter much... But in the end, I have to say I like the 458 just a little bit more.
Love watching your facial expressions when driving. It helps me understand the feeling of them. I've always loved Ferraris!
Excellent editing Dan....love both cars...
Thank you
Love this comparison driving both. Hoping to get one or the other by next year.
WOW weird synchronicity!; while in the video while you were raving how much better the 458 was over the 430, the Top Gear episode flashed through my mind, just seconds before you referenced it. I didnt know you would mention it just then. Ill take that as a sign im watching the right channel.
Im still getting that 355 GTS though lol but the 458 is on the dream car list too.
Great Video!
Haha badass! Thank you for watching
Both cars are super amazing. Imagine having both of them and being able to drive any one of them at any given time....??? Lucky man you are as you dont have to imagine as you own them both. Enjoyed this Video stax😁😁😁
Thank you. Indeed it's been a surreal experience
Sound is unbelievable. Awesome 👌.
Thank you.
Thanks for listening
I prefer the appearance of the 458 but, I think I say that every new model. That sound! even with the drastically different exhaust systems they are both unmistakably Ferrari, beautiful music. One area they appeared to be about equal was their ability to put a big smile on Dan's face and that's what counts most. I really enjoyed the comparison.
Oh yeah, the smiles are equal. :) You'd have to try hard not to smile in them.
Thanks for the video. It’s a countdown for me getting the F430. April 2022. Can’t wait
Nice!
I was blessed too have been able too own f430 then a 458. I have love in my heart for both, but I agree, once I drove my 458 home it all became apparent too me how much change and improvements were made from the f430 too the 458. I noticed the duel clutch immediately, it was so fast and smooth. The power change was awesome too. Then the “modernized” improvements. Then I took delivery of my 2018 488 spider and got too notice those changes too:-) not boasting, just sharing some humble gratefulness. Now I’m out of business do too this virus like so many others and it’s nice too have just reflected on better times:-). Currently own 2019 gt3 porshe
Yes the 488 is certainly another step up.
You have had some nice Ferrari’s. Did you say they are all gone now? The COVID hit your business hard?
"The Rawness of the shifting is what makes it so Amazing....❤️❤️❤️😘😘😘🏎🏎🏎🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🚒🚒🚒
True!
Cool video! Thanks for the insight
You're welcome
Nice video Dan!! I like both cars too! Lol just based on what you just said. May be one day I will have one or two, good times!!
That would be pretty nice. Certainly they compliment each other well. :)
Thank you Man for the information !! I loved the feedback of the 458, everytime you shift !! what year is the 458? Looking forward to get one of those !! - Mahalos-Bubba!!
They both look amazing!! Each model including 488 you can see the progression getting more modern. Would be happy to own any of them.
Yeah the f8 looks even better
The 488 is the natural successor to the F430. The 458 was just as stop gap. Check the numbers.
Great video! Thank you
Beautiful cars
Thank you.
After watching your channel for years I bought an F430 Spyder today, in the manual. I did kinda want a 458 Spyder in Fuoco but, even over the manual 458, the difference was £70k!
I am sure I will love every moment of the F430. AS my first Ferrari I am so excited. Picking it up on Thursday and spending every hour revisiting F430 content and checking out the forums for known issues.
Had a new clutch and headers in the last 3500 miles so might be good for a while and will then go aftermarket on the headers and maybe a bit more but not as far as you went! :)
Cheers and thanks for the inspiration!
Ade
Congratulations!
Another Brilliant video Dan 👍👍front seats in the 458 need a good clean and conditioning 😎😎
Yup
I just bought one pretty excited to get it.
looks are subjective. For me its 430 from most angles. I love the rawness of the 430 compared to 458/488. I just sold my amazing McLaren 720S. Faster than any Ferrari, gorgeous, dependable, but poor sound and I proved to myself that for me at least, a car can be too modern and powerful. I may add a 458 to my 430.
BTW: I also have a 1994 348 Street Challenge car and my admiration for it grows every year. The car is "carved out of granite". It never breaks! Nothing! Pulled the motor for a belt change a few years ago. The belts were perfect. Decided to change the clutch while everything was apart. The clutch was perfect - no need. Rebuild the water pump? No need. It was prefect too. Ended up just doing the belts. The 320hsp motor is perfect for a street car and it looks good. After 24 years of ownership I cant say enough about it.
It's funny you mention the 348 because they get such a bad reputation, but I think that's because so many people neglect them. When taken care of they are solid cars.
Great great video I really enjoyed it so much so I had to subscribe to your channel
Thank you!
Omg it’s like apples and oranges, I like the 458 a pinch more than the F430 but I love them both. They’re both beautiful. Thanks for making this video, nobody ever makes in depth videos like this one, I live the fact you showed the engine bays and spoke about the details of both cars. I’ve never been in a Ferrari or any supercar. Someday soon 🙏
Thanks again for the awesome video.
You're welcome! Honestly you can't go wrong with either. 😁
excellent review, Thank you!
You bet!
I can hardly wait your first DIY videos on 458.
Saturday morning you will be happy then... 😉
GREAT video! Thanks so much. I’ve kicked around the idea of selling both my Cayman GT4 and Honda Civic Type R and getting either an F430 with manual or a 458. Living without a manual gearbox is tough to imagine, the F430 may be the one.
I am not a Porsche guy but the GT4 is probably the only one I would love to buy, except I would love a balls to the wall version they would never build...lool
@@joshuasterling2144 Well I'm from the future and you're In for a treat 😁
@@Lambullghini Apparently Porsche up and decided not to be cowards. This is their Camaro ZL1, a car unfettered by the platforms up range from it. Taking a platform that you made to its ultimate conclusion is what every auto maker should be doing.
@@joshuasterling2144 Indeed, well said.
Nice video Dan !
458 will will never get old ! Enjoy it
Thank you and I agree
I'm a huge car enthusiast. Unfortunately like most people and at my age I will probably never own one of these magnificent cars. The extent of me experiencing these cars has been limited to die cast models and playing Gran Turismo. These videos are the next best thing to me driving and owning one of these cars. Thanks for your channel!!
You are most welcome
@10:56 sounds like he said as my son noted? I was confused with the zero kids plate until I listened a few times. Not a trade I'd take but to each their own. First time viewer, nice video and beautiful cars.
Hmm no definitely no son
I really enjoy your videos! I really appreciate your honesty and insights! May I ask what year was your F430? And what year was your 458? Thank you so much!
2005 and 2010
Another great detailed analysis on these two cars. It goes to show Ferrari engineers really do know what they're doing. With US manufacturers, sometimes you wonder if the engineers know what they're doing or they're stifled by the bean counters and what the public buys is the compromised abortion end result. Ferrari does not compromise.
@22:37 did you say Ferrari has a monitor for the brake temperatures? Infrared sensor? If they do, that would be pretty amazing as there isn't another manufacturer that does this!!
Great video Dan, love your stuff! What do you think of the Ferrari 599 GTB? I am debating between the 599 and the F430 to purchase.
599 v12
I was sort of contemplating the same as you, obviously hard to compare the two especially V12 over V8 but there are a few things I don't like about the 599 and that is the hood length, you don't sit on top of the road like in the f430, secondly the looks, analogue gages. Even though i have never driven the 599, Ive tested the AMG GTS and it felt like I was simply pushing a bonnet, couldnt see where the car ended (their difference is but a few inches). Ive now decided to go for the f430, plenty of power, V8, upgrade the exhaust perhaps to a Tubi, and when it comes to £€$, soft spot. Recent article written in the UK:
www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/used-cars/used-car-buying-guide-ferrari-f430
Had both. 599 is awesome in a straight line, 430 is a good track car.....V12 for cruising, V8 for tweaking your arse......however, my 458 with Novitec F1 Rosso exhaust trumps the lot.
Great review!
Thank you!
Fantastico , great video you sound like a professional driver journalist.
Ha! I'm not much of a professional anything but thank you! :)
Great video, I rented a 458 in Vegas at Vegas Luxury rides and also drove 5 laps at Exotics racing, both were absolutely amazing and would highly recommend them, talk about the ride of a lifetime! Wish i was watching this video for study instead of entertainment as in that I was seriously contemplating buying a Ferrari
Indeed they are amazing cars
Good video I enjoyed your commentry and your excitement, not had the chance to own a Ferrari yet ( working my ass off to try and make it happen !! ) but I have had the chance to drive both a F430 and a 458 on track back to back ( birthday gift experience 3 laps of each ) and the 458 immediately from setting off in the pit felt much more responsive, quicker & sharper and I was right ( 7 seconds a lap quicker ) however for me would I would have bought a 360 Challenge Stradale ( again driven on a 3 lap gift but 1 month after driving the 430 & 458 ) overall it just captulated me more in the drive, the feel like your right foot is connected directly to the engine, the chassis feel, the steering weight, feel and feedback all backed up by the noise, very special car and it felt it, as did the way it made me feel, unbelievable but that's how any great Ferrari should be !
There's no wrong answer on which Ferrari to get. 😁
I did that run down the hill on my Hurricane 600 back in 89! A lot less traffic back then and I could stay in it longer! It was red like your car too! Fun times!
Austin has certainly gotten big fast
I live in a condo that has community parking. I'm currently shopping for a supercar. I would love a Ferrari but I just cant see living with a Ferrari without a garage. I decided to go with the more practical 2015 Porsche 991 Turbo. My next car was going to be a 430 just for the sheer value but after watching this video I have decided to wait 2-3 years and buy a 458. Great content!
Not a bad move. 😁
This video put a real smile on face. Big thumbs up. ;-)
Glad you enjoyed it
Which exhaust does the f430 have, sounds amazing
Just came here...Congrats men for your both Ferraris..great explanation of both models...personally i like more the 430 exterior design, hope one day i can afford one...enjoy it with health men
Thank you
Loved watching this video. Big fan of the F430 here.
Glad you enjoyed it!
It looks like the 458 is quite roomy. Could you share how tall are you? I´m 6´3" and I couldn´t fit into a Gallardo. Great comparison video, thanks a lot.
i think the 458 is the highpoint in Ferraris recent v8 history. Its fast enough sounds amazing and addresses the quality issues that plagued the 430 and the 360. It also looks perfect. I will take mine in TDF blue please:)
It's pretty epic
Gave a thumbs up before I even watched!!👍👍👍
Thanks
Great video 👌👌
Thank you
that exhaust of the F430 is the music to my ears
Hey Dan superb review - I just subscribed too
Thank you and welcome to the channel!
Interesting F430, you have pipes in place of the box - easy to do and much difference? Got a 2007 F430 always looking to improve sound. Great video, def puts the 458 on the Radar now.
I had a custom x-pipe in the 430. It certainly made it sound great
@@normalguysupercar cheers for the info...;-)
The 07 I have is pretty good but your I think def sounded louder. I have a Gallardo 2007 spyder and that's like 3 times louder totally nuts, but they are just both such different cars. Totally F430 for everyday.
458 is a great buy, love it 👌🏽
Thanks!
Subbed. Thanks for keeping it real!
You bet
I drove the 458 on track recently with all the stuff turned off, it was amazing, never driven a car so connected to your soul, I the Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio, for me its like the 4d version :D
I am actually looking to buy a 458 at the moment, realistically the 430 is more in reach, but it is increasingly feeling worth the stretch to the 458 :)
Thanks for the vid.
Yeah the stretch is worth it
Sir great video. Maybe 458 have better spec. But I love F430. Rear looks amazing , side mirrors as double thick look sexy. But at the front 458 kill everything. :) Smile as Evil.
They are both amazing cars.
how many you drive the 430 a thousands of time not get pored and the smile in your face explain that i am not said the 458 not funny but you can say the joy of drive go to the next level amazing job i cant wait for the next what you going to do on the 458 and most thing is the exhaust good job and good luck god be with you
Thank you
Beautiful cars,love those Daytona style seats!
Me too!
was this in austin? i think i recognize that bridge you are driving over
Great video. The 458 seems like the winner to me. You really need a new exhaust on the 458 though, the 430 with that aftermarket exhaust sounded insane!
Yeah I have an exhaust plan under way
I have a question. When you up shift do you have to let up on the gas on either car? When you down shift do you rev the engine? I couldn’t tell from your video.
Taz Mod no
Hey Dan, you mentioned that you don't want to reverse up a hill in a f430 due to the clutch slip -- is that a problem for a small distance such as a small driveway up to a garage? I normally back up park my car into my garage to avoid any bumper -> driveway scrapes and wonder if that would be a problem if I got a f430 in the future
Probably not a huge deal for a short distance
one of your best videos
Thank you
Both are such amazing cars. Between my scud and my 458 challenge, even though the challenge car is a race car, the scud still feels more raw. Strange but that f1 super fast trans vs the dct is brutally different.
Yeah they are. I love the Scud thud
I Have a F430 Scuderia
This is just a fire 🔥
Love the video
Thank you
so finally u went outside with good shots, gj
Ok
great video. I have to say though that in my opinion the F430 looks and sounds better... yes the 458 is better, but still i would choose the F430.
For me the best modern ferrari ever though is the 430 Scuderia. It would make both the F430 and 458 look like everyday cars, because it is much more brutal.
The scud is great but it's almost too much race car for me.
@@normalguysupercar lol that's what i love about it :D
I actually like that the paddles don't move with the wheel I love that
Me too
Man that 430 sounds incredible!!!
What is the wheel model? Looks great. 😍
Exhaust oem or other?
Thank you
In the 430 model
Tough choice, I love the look of the 458 of course, but I’m also a fan of the driving feeling. As much as I love the 458 I think I’d go 430…. Although I’d have to give ecah a test drive. Really curious to see a possible 430 vs Gallardo review if possible?
I'll have to do that review someday
Can you drive these as automatic with out the flappy paddles? Or do you have to use the paddles all the time?
You can drive it as an auto
We also love the Sound of the 458 when we start the engine in our garage
It's pretty awesome I must say
Haha I thought the same thing about the 488 and 458 looks too. Initially I thought the 458 looks modern enough, but then I saw one next to a 488 and the 488 looks so much more modern with the angles
Yeah I do like the 488 styling a little better
Hey I know that bridge! Hope to see this beauty on the road in ATX!
Yup, I'm at pretty much all the big car events in town.
Where'd you get those wheels on the 458? Thanks for this detailed review!
They are hre wheels. I sell them if you need some. 😁👍
Styling of the garage floor scheme is nice
Thanks
Aaaaaah i just saw it like two days ago and now its being sold 😢
Best vid yet,.......except for the 458 diy oil change thank you
Thank you! Oil change video comes out Saturday
Excellent video and well enjoyed. However, one thing puzzles me. The 458 is a V8 so I'd be interested to know how they channel 8 cylinders into 3 exhaust pipes. 2 or 4 I can understand, but 3 ? Explaination pls. :-))
There's actually 4. What you see aren't the actual pipes, just tips. The center actually has 2 half circle pipes in it that come of the mufflers for when the valves are closed.
are the f430 straight pipe exhaust?
19:35 Ferrari badge on random old suv
Omg 😂😂😂
That's his Subaru and it has his proprietary badge on it, which is a beagle rather than a horse.
BYW: excellent review from a guy that actually owns both models! Did the headers get new heat shielding or that’s the “new normal guy” responsibility?
The new guy can deal with that. 😁
Now that the F8 tributo is out and available, and the economy where it is (covid-19) likely lowering car values like the 08-09 recession should put a 458 within my budget range. Along with the mid engined corvette to throw a wrench in the mid-engine market. I wouldnt be shocked to see these become more attainable. The 458 is one of my dream cars with the NA v8
I think it may not have too much impact but maybe just a little.
@@normalguysupercar Update, its the opposite car prices down to a used Camry are up like a madman.
Just asked my mechanic if I should upgrade to 458 someday he said he prefers the f430 more...I kinda feel the same. Biased I know but I feel the overall shape of the f430 looks better to me.
Driving the 458, he says that it's less raw than the f430...is that true for you?
The F430 is for sure more raw. They are both such good cars I don't think either disappoints. But the 458 has a slight edge in my opinion.
@@normalguysupercar for sure, 458 is definitely a better car overall.......
Dont Forget the F12 😊
Ken Moto 458 clearly performs a lot better, but the f430 looks so much better
@@Sean-if7rp f430 are pretty dang reliable I am not sure on the 458s
15:50 - your face says it all right there brother. A picture really does say a 1000 words.
Yup!
the sound of the 430 just great
Oh for sure!