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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 1. 06. 2017
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the 24 hours break or longer is 100% true, disconnect from it. you will see lots of mistakes and things you can improve looking later at it
sometimes i even need a week to break that connection đ
But will it ever stop? :) or can you keep revisiting and changing it forever?
Thanks again Brandon, I wish more content creators would pay it forward the way you have been. It helps us a great deal and I for one always look forward to learning from you!
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I agree! Subscribed
Hey Brandon
Loving your tips videos. Please do more!
Ditto!
Don't really comment on youtube vids but maaaaan love the insights you bring within the filmmaking community! You do it selflessly for all us to learn a stack of knowledge that would take us days, weeks even years to learn. If I could I would buy you a beer.
I'll take that beer!
Deal! When you're in New Zealand that's us
Me also want that beer :) greetings from Bali
May I give you a little editing exercise? I learnt it in film school... but it helped me loads in understanding the difference between "a shot" and "a shot with it's intention". Basically take a movie you like and take out some parts of that movie. And with these parts... try telling a 1 minute sorry without sound. If you'd like music. But the importance is, even if they are talking. it's not important what they are saying. I managed to create a little comedic story just with the rocky film. My problem was that I didn't realy grasp the idea of the shot, cause I worked on those edits with the preconception and knowledge I had, that were the intentions of that shot and what i was followed by. So the teacher sat next to me and asked: what do you see... Rocky balboa is training. He said wrong. Forget about the story... What Do You See? A guy running. Next shot, What do you see? A woman and a man walking on ice. And so on. I finally got it. So even if you shoot something... try to see if what you shot, you can give it a different meaning to during the edit, then iwhat it was intended for. This also helps a lot in editing and also pacing. Because you really only concentrate on that shot and what it happening within that time frame.
Just added this to my favorites.
Hey Daaave! :D
Probably one of the most important pieces of advice I been able to take away since starting this youtube journey. Thank you.
so much valuable information/insight, thank you so much!
amazing to see this comment after how much you've grown in youtube.
There are just a few practical adviser in the internet. And the most credible is Brandon Li. Thank you for supporting us!
Hi Brandon, I'm not a video producer but a writer and I actually find a lot of the advice is applicable to story telling via words as well. Just love love love the quality of your videos and all the insights you share. Thank you Brandon for being so thought provoking!
Thanks Brandon, you don't realise how helpful these types of videos are!
Years later this video is still heavy with knowledge and I applaud you for taking the time to make it!
Brandon, you are sooo right! I never thought about asking what is a good pace for the edit!
I've always asked myself during editing whether a clip is too long, too short, and what length I should make it...but never thought about asking someone else!
Also, having you share some of your insight on workflow during the edit is good stuff! I'm fairly new to video and editing, so this is great stuff!
Thank you for sharing!
Still golden pieces of advice 5 years later , thanks Brandon
In six minutes, you have completely changed the way I approached editing. My mindset was always: "edit to the beat" as I was constantly worried about a mismatch between the footage. The irony is that it is often the mismatch which arouses and retains one's interest in a video. As usual, thank you for all of your advice! Very much appreciated!
DUUUUUDE!!!! Just vimeo'd out on your work and then went to look for some tutorials from you on youtube and found this. PERFECT TIMING. I've been stuck on this one edit for 2 weeks now because of lack of motivation, focusing on the intro, bored of it, jumping around the timeline wit bits and pieces, and just easily distracted. This video is just what i needed to hear. Thanks for the inspiration and motivation. Your work is pure gold man. Keep the advice coming! We all need it.
My favorite advise here is to edit against the beat cuz that's so new to me and so helpful, especially now when everybody focus on, to captivate his/her audience. Man i love these insights. I think he is one those few film makers whose advises should be spread out to all the filmmaking community .
Thanks for the tips. Take a break is very important so we can have ideas or new ideas to edit.
Plus you see it as a person who's watching it for the first time.
You notice things which you couldn't if you worked on it for a longer time.
tips no one asked for but needed. it's making me look at my previous videos so differently and making me excited for the videos to come. as always, thanks brandon li!
You took this from my mouth. I've been researching pacing as I found from experience that it's very key in the storytelling. This dude just popped up when i DIDN'T SEARCH. Great guy indeed
Fantastic! I am a musician and composer of soundtracks and to hear you place so much importance on the value of music in editing film makes my heart soar! Lately I have begun photography and video making. It is a very fun challenge and your advice is very helpful! It doesn't matter how old this upload is, you have brightened my day! Thank you!
That last advice-I feel the same as a writer. I force myself to step away when I *think* I'm done with writing because I almost always find something I can improve on when I read it again.
Thank you very much for your advice! You're truly one of the best out there đ
Incredibly well explained. 100% agree with taking a break. After editing for too long you start to make mistakes and forget the purpose of your video. Best and most humble filmmaker out there. Keep it up
I completely agree with the leaving your edit alone for a while. Even as a novice editor I find it really helpful to step away and then later on coming back rewatching it in the perspective of a viewer and pick out the little things I can't fix on such as maybe a clip is slightly too long or cutting our unnecessary footage.
I really appreciate your videos as an amateur myself - you speak very matter of factly but have the wisdom and experience to back it up.. glad I found your channel
Duuuude yes Brandon! These tips are so killer!
Thanks Matt! I used your a6300 picture profile a while back. Enjoy your channel as well.
Awesome!! I took a bit of inspiration from you on my latest video on my channel. It's a travel film, would love it if you could check it out. :)
Glad someone's finally focusing on the more abstract, fundamental concepts of filmmaking.
I'm definitely a victim of being a slave to cutting to the beat, and your other tips are hard lessons to learn. I get addicted to certain sections and want to pull all nighters to see the project done as quick as possible.
Wonderful way of opening the way you "think" a video! I would also recommend to take a break for a day or so, once you finished filtering all the material so your brain can digest all the information. Creative ideas will flow better and always carry a notebook to write down your thoughts.
this is so true, I just discovered it myself yesterday and youtube recommended your old lesson to me, so nice
This is such a profound piece of advice for editors. Especially, walking away from your edit and coming back with fresh eyes.
I struggle with pacing. I usually donât notice the pacing issues until I walk away from the edit for a day or two. I like your points on watching music videos with the sound off, and using cinematic music. Thanks for taking the time to make these videos. I find them very helpful.
Video gets released right as I'm working on a faster pace edit over the past 2 days... prefect timing!!!!
Absolute golden advice! I've just come up on 1 year on CZcams. I've done a video every week for a year, and I've learned a lot. This video really helped put the rest of the pieces of the puzzle together. Cheers. Keep posting stuff like this! People like me find it invaluable.
One of the most informative and entertaining creators on CZcams. Thank you for all of your insight and stunning content
on the subject of music, great points. I once used a more classical song for some hip hop dancers in the park. I looooooved the result, by walking away from what is expected to something unexpected. Looking a the waveforms does make a difference, finding the right places for the transitions....The music is an important factor, it enhances the experience of the viewer.
One of your videos popped up as a suggested video for me, and I'm so glad I watched it! You're crazy talented & I'm loving these "Brandon Film School" vids!! Thanks for all the amazing insight, Brandon!
I have started watching your videos recently. and to be honest it made me comment that how could I find your content so late!!
All of your videos cover those small details of content creation which is most important. Right from cinematography to music and editing. Please keep making videos. I really appreciate it and follow the information.
Your channel has helped me find out so much about cinematography. This channel is one of the best guides for beginners. That and self experimentation.
I totally agree with you Brandon. Especially the part when you have to take a break on the edit.
You are CZcams gold! Great advice and the timing for me couldn't be better. Thanks a million!
Brandon Li is so underrated. You are one of the best out here in CZcams! Keep it up!
Awesome to see that I'm not the only one that uses music to pace out all my edits
So true about what you said about taking a break from editing. I have a problem of grinding through 16hrs editing sometimes and get impatient and end up posting vids that I regret later because of simple mistakes I notice days later
excellent advice Brandon!! as an editor I perfectly understand what you're talking about. I particularly agree with your 3rd piece of advice where you say that you need to take a break from your edits to just refresh your eyes and might see something a little bit different .
I also edit all my videos to the instrumental music such as soundtracks and immediate music...I love it when the waves of the audio go up and down like a choppy ocean- i always need those buildups and change of beat as opposed to working with a monotone sound throughout the whole vid. with the different beats you can play around with the pace like u said that gives different emotions to the viewer
I'm definitely guilty of not taking a break while cutting. Great tips here đđ»
omg! I've been waiting to get this answer! Thank you so much! Yo have made my day! I always try to set the pace with the music but people never seen to get that my videos is set to the beat of the music. I will be working on the exercises that you suggested.
Thanks for helping me by pointing out some important aspects of editing. I've been searching for a couple of days on youtube trying to find information that has less to do with how the editor works and more to do with how your story gets created and told. Definitely subscribing to your channel. Looking forward to more......
This so helpful in my cinematography subjects, new subscriber
I consider myself a successful and talented filmmaker/editor and wow this video was such an eye opener! Makes me excited to edit. Thank you!
Youâve grown into my favorite videography youtuber by far. Inspirational and crazy informative. So much value added from you
As usual, awesome tips! I've been editing for 15 years and became a true believer that the pace is what makes the editing stand out. Cheers from Brazil :) Thanks for another great video!
Excellent video! I teach English online and a good deal of it is me in front of a whiteboard, but I've been looking for ways to spice things up visually. Happy to have found your channel!
You know what Brandon, I think what you are saying makes a lot of sense. I am a real estate agent and agents are the worst offenders. For the most part, we all make the same lame videos. They all look & sound the same. With this instruction you gave here, I aim to change all that. Thanks man!
Seriously Brandon.... video after video! You've easily become my favorite CZcamsr and the most helpful one!!!
I was just talking about this on Instagram. Iâm glad to see someone whoâs more experienced say the same thing.
Those are all really great tips! Thanks Brandon :)
Wow really great points you made Brandon. Pacing is so important to keep the viewer engaged and interested, and I totally agree about taking a break from you edit once you think your done, ya always find things that need tweaking once you watch it again. Subbed for sure! đ
Exactly what I needed to understand. I've been guilty of cutting on the same beat but realized how "metronomic" that is. great tips!
Thanks for the tips Brandon! Going to go find some music videos right now.
With anything I created on my computer in the past (edit, music, animation etc.) I would always at least sleep on it before uploading. I feel like after a good nights sleep I can see/hear it with a new perspective.
haha I am so addicted to the intro, but there's beauty in that, isn't there?
A fresh insight from a knowledgeable editor. Straight from the Chef. Good video.
wow I never thought of putting music first! my edits are currently blocky so this would help a ton!
Ok, this was actually really helpful! As someone new to cinematography you explain everything so well!
thank you so so very much brandon!! this is perfect timing for me because i am having troubles editing my demo reel for my school project... i didnt know where or how to start and even choosing the music to work with. i feel like my eyes have been opened by your tutorial! so thank you đđ you're the best!!
thanks for sharing the knowledge Brandon!! don't no if you realize the inspiration and the spark that you're creating in people like myself into creating new ideas. big up Homie
Much appreciated. You are so spot on and i appreciate the time it took for you to share this. Cheers from Australia.
This is fricken awesome advice it makes sense if you want your edits to feel like they are going somewhere to use music that will take you there fricken awesome work
taking breaks really helps me, every time I come back to see what I've put together, I always change things
Breaks are key.
And you're a G.
Thanks, as always!
So much useful info in a 6 minute video! I definitely tend to cut to the beat too much and it totally makes sense that mixing up your cuts keeps the interest. Thanks Brandon
1. Watch a music video with and without the music (music videos are edited in a syncopation against the rhythm of the beat to keep the audience interested. your brain relaxes too much when it senses a pattern/rhythm without a break, causing a mental disconnect)
2. Start a new edit with well-paced music (gives a base to work with even if you're not using that music in the final product. movie/cinematic soundtracks that have build-ups are recommended. check the waveform graph to see if it's suitable)
3. Take out/replace the music with something completely different for a finished edit to explore options
4. Take a break from your editing, especially before you submit it
5. Try to notice where you're over-focusing on to prevent yourself from neglecting other parts of the edit
I'm so glad I found this video! great tips and advice to make the edits more interesting, learning from music video editing is exactly what I should be doing.
Thanks Brandon, I admire those masters of the art that share so freely. Your work is amazing.
Thanks Brandon. Itâs difficult to tear myself away from an edit. Taking a break is so important.
Great tips man. Thank you much. You seem so calm and natural in these types of instructional videos, its obvious that you know this stuff inside and out.
WOW incredible advise! Your clearly doing what you we're born to do, such natural talent!! I've just started my own channel and you inspire me big time, I've liked and subscribed!!! I highly recommend this channel, thank you so much!!!!!!!!
Interesting. I'm usually a big proponent of editing to silence, I find music makes me fall into a rhythm rather than create one that suits the story or footage. But I think I'll give this a try. Classical music is where I'll start since it explores most moods and themes. It also contains the inherent tension and timbre required to make something feel complete. Thanks, Brandon
If you started an online film school... I would definitely pay/ apply !!
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It feels so good to hear something fresh and new, thanks for the time!!
Super helpful. Extremely new to film editing and this is great info. Appreciate it.
brandon youâre good. Your advice are really helpful. I watched all your videos. Please update more!
Man. I never even thought about editing to music and removing it later to get a baseline for pacing. I will definitely have to try that out! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us all!
I totally agree. Pacing is Oh so important.
This is exactly what I have been looking for. "when" to make cuts. The reason I didn't ask is cuz I only found you today :)
Thank you brandon, It's very hard for me to think lately as for me I always use music for having a great film.
This was one of the things that I was meaning to ask you but never did for some reason.. I'm glad you beat me to it! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience ! Can't wait to see more of your stuff!
Wow this is perfect. i'm starting a new project and I got stuck a bit with the pacing. lo and behold.
Great info and insight. I would add maybe learn to tell a story with static shots before adding all these crazy and distracting transitions and editing tricks I see out there. Keep it simple until you learn how to communicate your story... then add one or two fun transitions. My favorite and most relatable advice you gave... Take a break! I did an album back in the day entitled "Unperfected Imperfections"...Meaning... As creators, it will never be perfect:) Thanks for sharing with us!
Agreed, the prominence of visually attractive videos, with slick editing but no substance bothers the heck out of me.
Good advice in your comment here. Story is the goal. Still learning. - Tony
It was definitely interesting to find out that you edit to the music and then, maybe, change the music. I'm still figuring out what is best for my kind of work. I am filming and editing to compose music for it later. Issue i face here when i am editing to an existing track that on a later phase of actually composing my own piece i will be too influenced by the track that was used through editing process. As of now i am kinda tracking the pacing in my mind which is definitely much harder than editing to an existing track.
Big thanks on sharing the knowledge. Really appreciate it, Brandon. Cheers.
is it weird that I enjoy the film and tv show soundtracks like Game of Thrones or Arrival much more than actual music? Great Video Brandon, the break also goes for color grading, your eye got so used to the color and edit, you just need a break to see it from a different perspective. your tutorials help much more than you think!
Great stuff. Much more useful than the usual "make you travel videos more cinematic with this one trick!!!" kind of upload. Thanks for keeping it interesting.
Another great video! One thing I find helpfull sometimes is to flip the entire video horizontally to be able to look at it with 'fresh eyes'.
Love that idea. Anything to trick the mind into seeing it fresh
it's a great idea, or watch your video from a mirror if you don't know how to flip the video horizontally:)
Sometimes I keep the video as it is and then I view it whilst in a head stand position. It gets blood to the brain, too, which helps. :)
Not so silly. I just finished some work with stills. To be sure the images really work, I turn them upside down. If the composition still looks right - win! Hadn't thought about applying this to video. Use a horizontal mirror? Hold the monitor upside down? Probably safer for those of us for whom a headstand is only a faint dream.
Anyway, thanks for the music suggestion.
i would do this when painting.
I actually do nearly everything you said even before watching this and I cant agree more !! especially with the tips about switching the music out with another to see how the pacing goes. I do that all the time! Great tip Brandon! :)
Thanks Brendon. You are awesome. These little tips go long way in making a great edit
Man i love your videos and tips. I wish you'd put out like a course or something about videography and things it involves. I'd be more than happy to pay for that.
I will definitely take these tips for my next edit.. I know I sit on some parts of the edit for hours because I get excited about it that specific part.. hahaha need to take a break for sure
I really dont know why you only have 250k plus subs. you deserve more than that! Learned a lot from you, Im just starting to learn videography and im very thankful to find out your channel! thanks a lot man. God bless keep up the good work!
Excellent tips! I am filming a big production in late July and this video helps with perspective. Thank you
Thanks brother. Your videos help bring inspiration regardless of what the video is about.
Thank you for this. You have no idea how much you inspire me with your videos!
I am so glad I just discovered your channel ! Your my new filmmaking guru !!!
the only channel that i feel giving away new knowledge
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I am new to your channel today - love your laid back style...
Great video tips, thanks...
Just watched your Hong Kong Strong and 48 Hours... on Vimeo, your work is raw, but elegant, at the same time... What a pleasure, to watch an artist at work.