Brian Jones (Rolling Stones) | Mental Health & Personality
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- This video answers the questions: Can I analyze mental health and personality that may be at work in the life and death of Brian Jones? Can I discuss the conspiracy theories surrounding his death? Brian Jones is best known as the founder and original leader of the Rolling Stones.
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This is what George Harrison thought about Brian Jones: “When I met [Brian Jones] I liked him quite a lot. He was a good fellow, you know. I got to know him very well, I think, and I felt very close to him; you know how it is with some people, you feel for them, feel near them. He was born February 28, 1943, and I was born on February 25, 1943, and he was with Mick and Keith and I was with John and Paul in the groups, so there was a sort of understanding between the two of us. The positions were similar, and I often seemed to meet him in his times of trouble. There was nothing the matter with him that a little extra love wouldn’t have cured. I don’t think he had enough love or understanding. He was very nice and sincere and sensitive, and we must remember that’s what he was.”
- George Harrison - The Beatles
Never liked the beatles but well said George Harrison
brian was born in 1942, not in 1943.
The reason many people believed he was born in 1943 was because in the bands very early days, management told the to save a year or two off their ages so they would be a bit closer in age to their fans. A very stupid thing to have done as it still leads to confusion to this day.
I think that says more about George Harrison than Brian jones
@@wendiwonderly1419 Brian was better !
I remember to watch this channel through the acronym, G.R.A.N.D.E... Genial, Reflective, Articulate, Not boring, Deadpan humor, Excellent.
Nice 😘✌️ I agree. My mood changes for the better when Dr. Grande has a new video! I actually rewatch many because they're that great!
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Eric Dodson - Agreed!
The only downside is now I have just enough info that I'm diagnosing everyone around me.
Good one! :)
I'm not diagnosing anybody, just speculating what deadpan jokes can be applied to this situation.
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Did Jones spend time in New Jersey??
I think one aspect of Brian Jones personality was missed: his lack of empathy toward the young females he impregnated and her family members. Females and family members were deeply shamed and stigmatized in the late 50's and early 60's with an out-of-wedlock pregnancy. Girls had to leave school, give birth in another town and some were kicked out of the Church. Brian showed a complete disregard toward these young women and her family again and again. This repercussion would last for years.
straight jacket wow. Really douche-y comment
@straight jacket I some ways, yes, but life was different back in the 50's. Girls were raised to be wives and mothers, the sooner the better. There was no shame in pregnancy, initially, but the man had to "do the right thing" and marry the girl. That's where Jones faltered. Who knows what he promised these girls. They probably came from poor backgrounds and were desperate to get out. There was no DNA back then, so he could take off and leave.
straight jacket
Maybe he’s a really charismatic hunter
@straight jacket Quod erat demonstrandum. Thank you for giving an example of the exact kind of commentaries those young women had to endure. It was Jones who f**** up, but they had to pay the price. He's the culprit here, not his victims.
What would you say if you fell to a predatory conwoman and everybody said it was your own fault?
I think he had a Bohemian mind and although traditionally he was an outcast in the 1950s English society , was he worse than any other philanderer who couldn't keep it in his pants? He was irresponsible and selfish. Many musicians are . The girls were not really capable of understanding that he was light years different from them . Clearly he did not want kids and should have worn a condom but it takes 2 to tango.
My dad went to school with Brian Jones, played in a band called 'the talismen' (Jones wasn't in this band) and played a few gigs with Brian Jones.
Wow. Ummm. That is very cool. Huge history tie,- in. Did the Talismen have luminaries as members?
Sounds familiar. Tull members?.. You're Dad was there in the thick of it with Mayall, Peter Greene, Mick Fleetwood .. maybe I they were later. 👍🎻🎶🪘
Polar opposite background and personality to Bill Wyman yet it's Bill who alone has always spoken well of Brian. Often as an antidote to what amounts basically to propaganda from the Richards -( Oldham) camp.
@@GeorgeCrumb3923 And Brian respected and spoke well of Bill. Strange.
Amazing.
An aspect of Jones' romantic life I wish Dr. Grande had touched on more fully was the fact that Jones, Jagger, and Richards frequently competed for, and fought over, the same women. This would have made for an interesting psychological analysis, as well as further explanation of dissention within the band.
@Radiant Siren Marianne and Brian didn’t. I think she said he only seduced her but she said no because she loved Mick at the time.
@Radiant Siren True. And everyone slept with the lovely fantastic Marianne.
Brian Jones was known for his domestic violence as well. Not publicly mind you. However later on I listened to a podcast called Disgraceland. It’s excellent. However I had to stop listening to it for it’s content was a bit much for me. But I learned a lot!
@@monicawylie3985 only with Anita. And he didn’t beat her, they fought each other. Like Keith said, it was always Brian who endend up with bruises and bandages. So...
@@xxChiQuiTitaxx73 So what???
Jones broke his hand punching Anita in the face...
Next are you going to say she had it coming?
Facepalm
Hi Dr. Grande! Please do an analysis of Syd Barrett, one of the founding members of Pink Floyd, I would love to hear your analysis of the mental health/addiction issues that might have been involved in his life. Thank you as always for your videos!
Yes PLEASE! It would be amazing to cover these rock n' roll legends (and musicians in general). Great to demystify what we think we know about them. Everything is so out of touch, these are old stories that are repeated without any thought whatsoever.
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YES YES YES!!!!!!
I was just going to say this haha. Syd's life was really interesting, Dr grande's take on it would be nice to see
I agree Syd Barrett would be an interesting analysis; however, I think Roger Waters might be just as, or possibly even more, interesting, with the early loss of his father leading to his overbearing personality.
A few interesting things about Brian Jones; in an extended version of the instrumental “2120 South Michigan Avenue” he played an astonishingly amazing blues harmonica solo, that is easily up their with anything from Sony Boy Williams played, and Brian was only in his early 20’s when he played that! He was the first person, so I understand, to play slide guitar on British TV. He could also pick up and work out things on very many different instruments. One of his last contributions to the band was at a time in 1968 when the rest of the band had largely given up on him, he suddenly decided to contribute some slide guitar to a song Mick and Keith wrote, that song was “No Expectation”.
That was his swan song. Very sad. That song would be nothing without Brian's slide. There are several songs where he added different instruments and took the songs from average to great. People especially now don't realize this.
Hi Dr Grande. Enjoying your channel. I’m a psychotherapist and a long time Brian fan. First read a book back in 1982 about him written by a very empathetic psychotherapist named Many Aftel. She spoke to many people who knew him, including his psychiatrist. Reading between the lines, he had dependencies on both barbiturates and alcohol and was likely experiencing mixed PD SX ( dependent, borderline) but hard to tell if a lot of this was independent of the substances. He was an amazingly talented multi instrumentalist and still of interest to many 52 years after his passing.
The more he took drugs, the more he became violent with his girlfriends. The guy was depressed and il and nobody really helped him . How was he? I read he was sometimes nice , sometimes cruel. It seemed he lad like a borderline personnality disorder.
Brian was a very talented musician, whose knowledge of the blues and jazz was
second to none. He was a superb dresser and was personally responsible for getting
Jimi Hendrix a record deal in the UK. They were very close friends right up to the
time of his premature death.
He was also extremely promiscuous, and his shabby treatment of his girlfriends
eventually alienated him from other members of the Stones. As his drug abuse
increased, Brian became more unreliable. In the end, he became a liability.
The rest of the story everybody knows.
At the height of his powers, Brian was the ultimate mid-60s Dandy with that
alluring Cheshire cat smile.
That's how I will remember him.
It's almost as if addiction destroys every area of people's lives.
Charlemagne 12x12 - But look at Keith Richards. An incredible amount of everything went into his body and he’s still kickin’ it. Some how he held it together. Oh my. 🤦♀️
Eric clapton was a heroin addict and alcoholic and recovered. Steven Tyler did everything and is still here today. Same for keith Richards and others. Addiction is a symptom of unresolved personal issues and a difficulty getting by in day to day life. It is something that needs to be treated and can be.
Ozzy
There's a fine line between genius and insanity.
Just another junkie. A smart and talented junkie, but a junkie.
@@roseangelo4416 more than talented, he was a prodigy. Shame he was a self centered asshole, too.
Maybe, but where is it?
@@roseangelo4416 Keith is the junkie Brian did use drugs but wasn't into heroin
Please do a video on Brian Wilson ,he’s a legend with a very interesting life
YES!! Absolutely! He'd makes a fascinating case study. They didn't make a movie about him recently for nothing!
Some people produce more children than they can attend to.
Selfish irresponsible types ?
(coughs) Boris Johnson
which is often 1
Brian Jones seems to be almost a mythical figure. Jim Morrison dedicated one of his most beautiful poems to him. Seems like he was self-medicating for what might have been bipolar disorder. Thanks for another fascinating video, Dr. G! ✨
For such a short video, this was so comprehensive. I don't wanna gush too much, but honestly I think you're the best CZcamsr I've come across yet. You're very sober and dry, but you make being a sober and dry dude cool because your analyses are so on point and you add humour (when appropriate). You're very personable, yet satisfyingly clinical in your assessments. You're a thoughtful man, very considered in your words, very astute. It's impressive. I only hope you don't wear yourself out with your output rate ;) Take care of yourself, Dr Grande :)
Agreed!
Get off your knees, John. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
@@sludge8506 Umm... OK, Sludge. I just respect the man and think he's decent... but, OK!
At a very young age Brian Jones was denied the affections of his mother and would be considered outright rejected. This offers an insight into Brian's treatment of women from a young age. He had an unchecked desire to "merge" into physical oneness, a lust junky as described in Morrison's poem with having that "Satyr's leer". Also, fame often becomes a pursuit of children who are deprived love on a primal level. Such a position gave Jones unlimited access to women and the adulation he craved. Thus, he was the driving force behind the band's early success.
How about Phil Spector and his rather strange later years which ended in a murder conviction?
That's a great suggestion
Good one. Yes. He'd be an excellent subject for a speculative analysis, that mad dog, that sick pooch.
One word, "Napoleon'.
My favorite Stones LP is aftermath, I loved the way they sounded back then, Brian Jones was my favorite member of the and too incredibly hot and fit so well. I couldn't care less what anybody else says about him. Rest in Peace Brian 27 is way way to young to be in your grave.💔💔
@Done&Gone thank you for saying this!
@Done&Gone Bravo Excellent Brian Jones was the creative one no doubt.
@Done&Gone The most underrated of the Stones favorite over Mick Taylor...
Love Aftermath
@@mightywisdom88 YES! But..... much much more than that.... Brian Jones was the MOST UNDERRATED MUSICIAN OF ALL OF MUSIC HISTORY!!!!
In my early teens, I was close pal of Tom Keylock's daughter in 1966/67, we were in the same class at school. I visited her home often, so knew Tom, who seemed an affable enough chap. However, I wish I'd stayed in touch with her, as I was devastated by Brian's death, and maybe could have gained some insight as what really happened on the day he died. For me and many others, he was the Stones, and the rumours about his death being murder started immediately. Keylock's name has constantly arisen in every discussion on this since 1969. I wouldn't trust anything the Stones have said regarding his issues with them, as Jagger wanted to be leader, he had his plans and they didn't include Brian. Admittedly Brian was a complex person, with substance issues, but it was well-known how jealous Jagger was, not only of Brian's many talents and musicality - but, with his looks, intelligence and sex appeal, he was the really cool one the girls went crazy for, not Jagger.
Robert Johnson, the father of the blues, was the first member of the died at "27" club in 1937
This one's gonna hurt no matter what Dr. Grande says... RIP Brian Jones. Legend.
Agree
He was a horrible drug addled bum
He was no legend
@@shadrach6299 everyone makes mistakes, your mother didn't swallow, he used drugs. It happens. Fortunately, he created and was a fundamental part of one of the biggest bands ever. Unlike yourself, who's irrelevant and salty.
@@shadrach6299 That is completely bullshit
The two major factors that led to Brian’s downfall: Mick & Keith writing songs and taking over the group led to his /drug drinking more, and finally losing Anita Pallenberg. Whether he was murdered by Frank Thorogood is up for debate, but widely believed.
Ziggy pop....... I believe that Brian was murdered. I really do not know which people murdered him ( because I believe that it was more than one person involved ).... but I DO believe that Frank THOROGOOD WAS INVOLVED.... SOMEHOW
Mick and Keith made Jones wealthy and famous... Boo Hoo Hoo if that killed him.
They are still going strong.
@@williardbillmore5713 no MHP they didn’t. They would have no one without him, he thought them how to play.
@@ziggypop79there wasn't anything that Jones could teach to Keith. KR had ten more years playing guitar than Brian.
Paul Trynka lied to you about everything and you were stupid enough to believe him.
It's pretty bad when someone foils your attempt to go to art school!
I thought being irresponsible was a prerequisite for art school? At least many artists are. I guess someone had a real hate on for him and wanted to wreck his dream. My studio is called Mermadia.
Foil...f.o.i.l...
@@Cate7451 oh I love your studio name!!!!! 🧜♀️ 🧜♀️ 🧜♀️ 🧜♀️ 🧜♀️ 🧜♀️ 🧜♀️ 🧜♀️ 🧜♀️
TJ ?
U were thinking of Hitler? If only!
Wasn’t expecting this at all, but as a fan, this seems like an interesting topic to analyze.
Exactly! I actually got really excited to hear the subject of Brian Jones! I paused the video, and made some coffee.. I can tell I'm going to binge watch Dr. Grande AGAIN tonight. ❤️🙃
Yes I agree Bruce and also like the life of rock and roll became their normal and he had all the money and freedom but probably not the education to understand what he was doing to himself. You are right he would have probably felt like he had to live up to a certain image. Maybe he was introverted but acted extraverted to keep up with the image of the band
@@sarahfellows3074 I agree. I am a classic introvert but I have had to put on a facade of extroversion to be liked in academia and in jobs. I find it exhausting to go to social parties and make small talk. It is a waste of time. I agree--perhaps this caused him internal problems.
@@mgbsecteacher yes me too. It's difficult being an introvert in a social world that requires extraversion.
@Van Helsing I mean to be successful socially - in job interviews, communicating with colleagues, romantic interactions, parties etc...it can be a lot harder for introverted people to be successful in these areas as not wanting to talk in big groups and becoming easily over stimulated in social interactions can be a social disadvantage. It can depend on your job but even if you're in lockdown and working from home people may still do group video calls. I suppose people can endear themselves better to people who are louder in social settings because there's more opportunity to. On social media it probably is easier for more introverted people
Dr. Grande...first and foremost, thank you for covering the life and death of the enigmatic Brian Jones.
Here are some interesting facts about Brian and my interest about him...
1) Brian dated Anita Pallenburg and Keith Richards stole her from him, thus a contentious relationship.
2) Brian' casket was lavish, trimmed in bronze and silver, all funeral expenses paid for by Bob Dylan.
3) When Brian tasted the "high life" of fame, he bought a Rolls Royce and put fall leaves on the driver's seat because he liked the "crunching" sound of the leaves!
4) His close friend was Jimi Hendrix, whom he was seen in Royal garb at the Monterey Pop Festival in 1967, which they had a penchant for doing hallucinegic drugs on many occasions.
5) Brian used to "cross-dress" just for the thrill, but he truly adored women...by of no means was he transgender!
6) By your reports...Yes...BRIAN WAS IMPULSIVE AND SELF-CENTERED!!!!
7) Sadly, only Charlie Watts and Bill Wyman were the only Rolling Stones members to attend his funeral...Mick Jagger had a prior committed to attend...even if he didn't, he wouldn't have gone or Keith Richards, who loathed Brian.
8) Brian wanted the band to "get back to it's roots and do more R&B music, which Mick disagreed. Mick wanted more record sales and a pop rock approach. Hence, a more commercial sound...this explains why at the last month's of Brian's life, he "just gave up", showing up at recording sessions drunk or high or both.
9) At Brian's church service before the burial, the priest who knew Brian in Grade and High School, "roasted Brian and his hedonistic lifestyle". This, I deem is in very POOR TASTE...ONLY GOD HAS THAT RIGHT!
10) My wife and I visited Cheltenham in the year, 2000 on a Monday...we didnt know that all of the shops were closed!
We visited Brian's gravesite and his former estate, once owned by Winnie the Pooh author, A.A.Milne...simply amazing!! In a book about Brian, there was a disturbing photo of Brian "kicking" the sun dial in the back yard. But that was one side of the multi-faceted side of Brian, he could be mean and spiteful, or he could be a gentleman. Was he bi-polar or something else??? Either way, he needed help, BAD!!!
11) The autopsy indicated a fatty liver, due to his alcohol intake and an enlarged heart, perhaps due to his croup as a child, which developed into a asthma.
13) Brian had the uncanny ability to pick up any musical instrument and master it within hours...take the song, "Paint it Black", with Brian on Sitar. Amazing!!!
13) Yes, Dr. Grande...Brian was unique, to say the least, somewhat like Syd Barrett, of Pink Floyd.
Again, Dr. Grande...I love your work and your demeanor....you are a real treasue, Sir!
Sincerely,
John Keating
P.S. - On another note, Brian with an I.Q.above 145, should have carried condoms!!! Brian fathered 6 children out of wedlock, starting in his teens and one was a married woman. When I find someone that interests me, I delve right into it...it is all or nothing with me.
Dr. Grande...maybe, I need your evaluation...just kidding.😂😂
I can identify with you! I just watched his documentary and I am obsessed with him. Thank you for all of the information. I need to know everything about this amazing icon.
It’s interesting that Brian had good relationships with Paul McCartney, Jimi Hendrix, George Harrison amongst others and fraught relationships with Mick, Keith and Andrew Oldham. He had trouble writing songs as he didn’t have anyone to encourage him. George Harrison had a similar problem though he finally broke through. Brian Epstein also treated the four band members equally
It would be awesome if you could cover the mental health and personality characteristics of Brian Wilson. Another interesting case.
Still my favourite band. I just read Keith Richards autobiography and am amazed he could remember anything at all but a great read. 5 strings and 9 lives.
You're surprised that his brain wasn't completely fried lol
Dr. Grande is seriously the best!
Agreed.
@Joe Wow! That would be one powerful video!
Please do an episode on Freddie Mercury.
I'd like to hear your analysis on the tragic life of Sid Vicious.
Meh he’s pretty obvious
Brian's parents were very cold and unloving. 😭😥😢
@@caroledickerson5616 His mother especially (which might explain his actions towards women). His father came around after a while and actually became proud of his son. But you're right, affection was not displayed in that family.
Did you even LOOK at the autopsy report?? He only had the equivalent of 3 1/2 beers and no drugs in his system. I don't think he would have lived as long as the rest because of his enlarged heart and liver. But I'm not so sure he just drowned either, because Brian was a very good swimmer, he was on the swim team in high school, and Bill Wyman and a couple of his girlfriends talked about what a good swimmer he was. So how could he drown? He did have asthma, but always kept 4 inhalers at the 4 corners of his swimming pool when swimming according to his girlfriend at the time. Plus the police chief closed the case super fast, and that police chief was Tom Keylocks brother. So something is not right about this.
Brian was my favorite Stone. It is alleged that two grounds workers taunted him as he was high and drowned him in this folly.
First off Brian had an IQ of 133. This produces frustration because those around you simply don't pick up on things as fast, and high IQ people give the impression they are arrogant because of this. His world started to crumble when Oldham took over, relegated him to the background and changed their music away from the blues. Brian loved the blues more than life itself, and as he saw his world crumble away it broke his heart. He had to almost constantly keep himself in a stupor just to survive. Compare that to a happy Brian at the TAMI show, where he was doing what he loved.
Apparently Dr. Grande isn't aware Brian tried to commit suicide twice. Or that on the final drug conviction two psychiatrists warned the judge that putting him in prison would make him a severe suicide risk.
Pictures from the Rock N Roll Circus show how depressed he was by that time. There is a picture of him with tears while putting his guitar away, and Pete Townsend discovered him hiding and crying his eyes out. He knew his lifetime dream was finished.
Brian was ill for most of his life, going in and out of hospitals. He didn't want fans to know how frail he was.
Cheltenham was supposedly not known for their chaste girls. Brian was only one of many "runners". Birth control was looked down upon. The UK of that time was a very stiff upper lip society and anyone threatening this vision would often feel its wrath. There are many children running around fathered by musicians. BTW Paul McCartney was no angel in that regard.
Well, before I write an article I will leave this subject. Looks like Dr. Grande did a quick overview of his life when he did this (and he probably does not have the time to do a more in-depth study of most people). Some things I agree with, others I don't. But I'm glad he did this look at Brian. It's surprising what he did accomplish while fighting such physical and mental problems.
Thank you 🙏‼️
I never knew some of those things thank you for for sharing
Cissy2cute!!! How I can thank You...I just read the story about Brian Jones!!!... Thousands time's thank you!!!!... I believe it's all true.... I wanted to live in his time and helped him with love and all my heart 💜!!!!... It's unfair he didn't became help...He was alone with his problems!!!... They wre no treu friend's, except Bill., The other were interested only for Money and Fame.... Brian Jones needed Love... They stole his Band changes his passion for blues music....But one think they couldn't take from him... The fact that thousands people remember him after so many years ‼️.. He was and will be the founder the Best Stone, the most important characteristic talented musician. So he became a Legend..I wished he were alive this incredible beautiful Man BRIAN JONES 🌟🙏... Respect ONLY to BRIAN JONES.. Stays always beautiful and young in eternity!!!.... I hate people who are interested only for Money and Fame!!!...P.S. my English is bad I know but I hope the most is understanding.... THANK YOU again ‼️🙏
@@doreensmith5957 I am glad you found more information on this "'lost Stone".
@@elenikorkodelaki2695 You are very welcome!
This video doesn't do anything to help people understand Brian Jones, which is surprising. The connection between the death of Brian's little sister, Pamela, when she was 2 and he was 3 is merely glossed over. Is it supposed to be a coincidence that Brian came down with croup, which led to asthma, not long after he lost his sister? This is probably the first thing he remembered and it was traumatic. I'm sure this had a profound affect on Brian, especially since his mother seemed to turn her back on him in order to dote on the new baby sister, Barbara. He didn't just act out for no reason. I'm not looking for a diagnosis, but I think the things Brian went through could have been expounded upon a bit in order to humanize him and not just view him mythically.
Brian was neglected and unloved after his sister passed away and parents shifted their care towards their new daughter, he was targeted by the corrupt police who repeatedly planted drugs/raids, he was envied by jagger/richards bc he was posh and far more intelligent/multi-instrumentalist and taught Richards to play...anita was a sociopathic narcissist and jagger/richards resented him bc he was the one who added the layers and magick to all of the music, he was the one who formed the stones and got the early gigs..etc...he was used by everyone around him and had no one...on top of fibromyalgia/bipolar, and Anita feeding him lsd which caused further mental deterioration/paranoia. Decades of erasing his contributions and maligning his character, a dead man can't defend himself.....bc jagger/richards still envious and threatened by all he was.
You are sooooo right 👍🏻💯...Brian was and is the best Stone.
💯..all true..well said..
Definitely
I agree. Thank you @thesummerland6165 for adding the dimension of his musicality. Yeah, he had some flakey bits, admittedly unflattering and wrechless beyond the pale, but he provided the one ingredient they didn’t have: originality
Keith Richard’s autobiography is good. Keith said Brian Jones annoyed him by wearing ascots after they all became successful.
I didn't read it. Ever since Richards badmouthed John Bonham, I have lost my respect for him.
I love seeing your name on the Dr. Grande comments. Has your cat 🐈 learned to drive yet?
haha. good read. love keef.
ahahahahahaha. Keefer.
@@cindyrhodes If you can set that aside, it's a worthy read. Wild stuff.
Dr. Grande, have you considered doing a video on Timothy Treadwell the subject of the documentary Grizzly Man about a person who believes he could live with grizzly bears in the wild. I think it would be an interesting step outside the serial killer genre
I would love to see that too! Good choice ✌️
Eric Crain Thanks for asking for this analysis Eric. Werner Herzog has made some bizarre and interesting movies but none that amazed me more than Grizzly Man. Timothy Treadwell would be an extremely interesting analysis subject!
And after that, do one on Werner Herzog, a fascinating study in his own right.
Can’t help thinking of Seigfried and Roy when I hear about ‘animal people’.
As a former National Park ranger I would love to hear one about Timothy Treadwell.
Kicked out of your own band. The ultimate bad day.
Now do one on Keith Moon!
Hey doc, could you do a video on machiavellianism. Specifically how how their manipulation tactics can be countered and how they are different from narcissists and psychopaths.
I think this would be interesting. I feel like it might be hard for a person to be machiavellian without being a bit psychopathic because to look at people as merely pawns to be used for your own gain would probably require a lack of empathy. I might be wrong though obviously...
Hi! He has done at least one- Please query in his main page. Or search for Dark Triad. This might give you some immediate satisfaction.
Mick Taylor, a talented replacement for Brian Jones, did not get credit for the songs he contributed to the Stones.
I grew up with the Rolling Stones as my dad is a big fan. Until now, when he is cleaning the windows, he pumps up the volume and sings to it - and the whole street hears, that daddy is cleaning the windwes again :)
Would love an analysis of Chris Cornell. Greatest voice of his generation in my opinion.
Amen. The best...
Nah gotta give it up to Layne Staley on the vocals
I’d be very interested if n hearing about Cornell.
I was thinking that as well when listening to the video
I agree with your assessment of Cornell (whose songwriting was also indelible; rock lost its greatest elegist when we lost Cornell); if nothing else, light could be thrown on the strange nexus between his chronic depression and his intense creativity.
Please consider a study of Chris Cornell, Dr. Grande; I think there's much in his story to reward a deep analysis, to say nothing of the persistent mysteries surrounding his death.
Keith Moon ..the WHO
YES. He was fascinating! What a character..
@@deirdreevangelista856 unpredictable IMO
@@deirdreevangelista856 Probably Bipolar and BPD
@@alanberkeley7282 I think he might of had A.D.D undiagnosed, and then he just self medicated it..... IDK.....
@@deirdreevangelista856 I think BPD as well
Donovan adopted one of his sons. I saw him in concert years ago in a small club and he was talking about it. He married one of Brian's ex girlfriends and adopted her son who was fathered by Brian.
Look up Linda Lawrence / Julian Jones
Brian Jones never received the love and nurturing from his mother. He owned the band and the name and was owed the dues from the remaining members, especially from Jagger and Richards. Great presentation thanks for the info.
Dr. Grande you’re killing it! Thank you my favorite doctor for the videos! Please consider doing a video on the musician Prince. His life was mysterious, yet fascinating.
Please! What really happened to Prince? Why was he found in the elevator? What about the dynamics of his family of origin?
Sandra Shaw Yes! I have my own speculations on his death. He was a musical genius. There are so many aspects of his life that are interesting...his childhood, his ability to perform and master so many instruments, his desire for privacy, the Slave written on his face era, how he posted “Just when you thought you were safe” days before he was found dead, how he was found in his elevator (and one of his most famous lyrics “are we gonna let the elevator take us down”. I realize this is a huge run on sentence, but I would really love to hear your views on Prince Dr. Grande. It can be an hour long...the longer the better!❤️
As a lifelong Stones fan, this is a treat!
Indeed!
Yes! It really is!
BassGirlSusan
You tell it !!
After the Rolling Stones first appearance on the Ed Sullivan show, they were my favorite band until Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention in1966. The Beatles & those of the so-called British Invasion who appeared in succession were still OK but less interesting to me.
Perhaps I immediately identified with their more rebellious appearance without pretense of being "goody goodies" & as well as their combined "less than pretty boys look" overall, with no look alike haircuts & first to ditch look alike band uniforms, which I instinctively detested then, in my future school symphony orchestra and jazz band concerts, and forever more in my own coming music career.
Truly my first & forever love was Bach, Purcell, Handel & Telemann, The NY Pro Musica and then so much more between Hildegard and Copeland. They're undeniable Influence became a bedrock on every music form I performed professionally.
Naturally Brian loved classical music, the Beatles did &, in fact, all great players & composers pay homage to (BB&AB): Bach, Before & After.
Although I was exposed to world music forms simultaneously with Bach when I was barely speaking sentences longer than 5 words, I have to thank and pay homage to Brian Jones, not just for being the first (or founding) member of the Stones, but more so for turning me on to western & north African Arabic music, more influenced by the Sahara, less by the Levant and further east. I wore deep grooves into "Brian Jones presents The Pipes of Pan at Joujouka", beginning the first weeks, months and into the year it was released. It was more entrancing than the same substances Brian knew better than me. From this I mourned Brian's passing all the more. No popular musician I was aware then had produced any albums of what we now call World music before him. If he could have stabilized himself enough to live longer, who knows what else he might've produced to expose to rock music fans, some of whom these days still lack a capacity to explore a much wider range of music.
Yes, the Beatles did (and particularly George Harrison thereafter continued to) turn us on to India's unparalleled classical music, mostly Hindustani via Ravi Shankar and Allah Rakah. But again, I loved it long before the Beatles thanks to my parents & specifically my Dad who loved Indian music due to his 2 years there in WW2 w/the Army Air Force.
Perhaps, or maybe, like my Dad, Mom & Brian Jones, a higher IQ is a component of open mindedness to music and cultural influences vastly different from one's own country, or maybe not, I'm not sure. Hearing them from the youngest ages probably helps regardless of eventual higher IQ or is it's cause, I don't know.
RIP Mom & Dad & RIP Brian Jones.
marlon brando please!!! That’s will be interesting
You should do John Lennon. He was very volatile.
Also...the Stones were moving in a different, harder, rougher direction at the time of Brian's death. I don't think he was too "in favor" of where things were going. His contributions became very limited towards the end-a tambourine here, a shaker there. Sometimes his guitar was either unplugged, not miked, etc. Jagger and Richards also started growing tighter as a songwriting unit, and I'm sure Brian knew where it was going considering there was another band around at the time whose leaders grew into a cohesive unit and gave no space to a 3rd party. They weren't too nice with Brian at this time.
Yay!!!!! Dr. Grande in the afternoon!!!
Brian Wilson?
Dr G says "It's clear the rest of the band saw room for improvement." True enough I'm sure. But seriously folks I mean how bad could he have had to have been to get kicked out of the STONES for using drugs? I mean come on.....Still...one of the best bands of ALL time if not THE best. Saw them in concert 40 years ago....Fabulous.
It was about his behavior.
I guess you should talk about Keith Richards next, as far as him talking about snorting his Dad's ashes and all of that
Indeed! He is a piece of work.
I’ve never heard that, but wouldn’t be at all surprised. I can conjure up any number of scenarios in which it took place. But ingesting a dear dead one’s ashes isn’t as unheard of as you may think.
There’s no mystery to Keith, he’s an open book
At least 5 kids by different women? Rolling Stones was an accurate name for the band.
Hi Dr. Grande, I'm a clinical psych PhD drop out and a huge fan. Would you consider doing a video about Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys? I believe that would be a fascinating episode!
In 1969,
Brian Jones was laid
to the cosmic rest
he deserved for living
such a full on and
Explosively Creative life...
Without a doubt,
Brian Jones
was the most interesting musician The UK yielded
during the 20th Century…
Was there anyone more responsible for
The British Blues boom
going global?
Was there a mod to
out dress him?
Was there a hippie to
out freak him?
Was there a punk more outrageous in the media
than Brian ?
Was there a glam rocker
who didn’t pay homage to
Brian Jones?
Was there a New Romantic
more effortless
at being androgynous?
Has The UK produced
a more perfect pop star
not known for writing his
own songs?
Was there a studio musician
more influential?
Was there ever a plainer name
than Brian Jones more synonymous with highly sexualised camp narcotic excess?
There is no measure of Brian’s
enormous presence and his ghost rules that band to this very day
2 members of the band
he pulled together still tour
under the name he chose
for them going on
60 years ago…
It’s interesting to observe
that, in the wake of
Brian’s passing,
Mick Jagger and Keith Richards
both exhibited amplified alpha aspects of Brian’s persona...
Mick became the erudite,
globe trotting, media celebrity
and record producer...
fathering many children
by many women while also
steering the ship...
Keith became
the police persecuted
drug addled blues rocker making Open G his own
with a deep interest
in the roots of a marginalised
world music at the time, reggae...
and a record producer...
shacking up with
Anita Pallenberg…
Also very interesting
is how both
Mick Taylor and Ron Wood
both strongly reflect
Brian Jones
in their roles as his replacement...
Mick Taylor,
the lone bluesman
and slide guitarist virtuoso...
Mick Taylor’s presence saved
that band from musical ruin...
There was no one better
for them in 1969....
Ron Wood,
Hot Brit Rock Slide Guitarist partner in crime with both
MicknKeef
and social butterfly dandy
friend to all the other celebrity rockers...
That band would have
fallen apart but for Ron Wood
in 1975...
In conclusion
I’ve always been fascinated
by Brian Jones despite knowing that aspects of his behaviour called some serious diabolical forces down...and no doubt
these same forces overwhelmed him in the end…
I tend to concentrate on
the other aspects...
the musically driven visionary
who created himself
like very few others do...
Gene Clark of the Byrds said he co-wrote “Eight Miles High” with Brian Jones in a hotel room in London during he Byrds’ tour of England.
Thanks for this. Love the Stones.
I'd love to see one like this on Janis Joplin.
So would I. Loved Joplin's voice, very blueish.
Please do Brian Wilson (Beach Boys) and his unethical treatment by Dr. Eugene Landy.
I've read all the comments so far tonight and it seems abundantly clear you are never going to run out of people to analyze. Some people that were requested I am not familiar with, but guess I will be when I listen to your reviews. Thanks for the informative content. Learn something new every day!
60s Rolling Stones are the best!
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Agreed !!
Good to see you again my best Dr everrrrrr
I knew Brian had a few children out of wedlock but not 5... Funny I heard the song "Papa was a Rolling Stone" on the radio before I tapped onto this video Yes, I agree with your final words about him A person can have talent, charisma and money but none of that matters if they engage in self destructive behavior especially through substance abuse Great video Dr G
@Tom Wood One of the great modern mysteries😊
There were actually 6. Brian met a girl at the NME Poll Winners Concert in May 1968. He never knew about the child.
@@BigSky1 Wow
@@BigSky1 Hang on. That was on May 12th 1968. This woman's daughter was born February 23rd 1969, that's a 41 week pregnancy so it was a long one!
@@alanberkeley7282 I guess so.
Brian taught Kieth who knew only 3 chords Brian wrote she’s a rainbow paint it black yesterdays papers nervous breakdown and ruby Tuesday best slide guitarist in London at the time who bought back exotic instruments in England he got their gigs and gave them a sound when Brian left the Stones weren’t as good
You should do one on Keith Moon from “The Who” 🙏
Yes!
Frank was the last person in the pool with Brian. Everybody said that he looked weirdly excited and was frothing at the mouth. The police never interviewed the people that were there.
So many strange cases around celebrities dying. Everytime the police doesn't act right around it I wonder if someone is paying them to look the other way
Goodness, Dr. Todd! You’re cranking videos out so quickly that I can’t keep up, lol! You’re doing such an amazing job. I saw you on Chris Hansen’s, (being interviewed! Okay, I’m digging a hole ... interviewed about your position on Cancelled Culture, etc. “I saw you on Chris Hansen” sounds sketchy/questionable, doesn’t it? Lol. Your videos are amazing, I’ll tell you again. I don’t miss one, even if I’m not familiar with the person. I hope you’re having an amazing day! :)
😆 I saw you on Chris Hansen lol
I love that he's doing videos every day!!! Look out Pewdiepie!!!
Dr. Grande, you really keep it interesting. So many different personalities to explore. I just LOVE your channel. I've become addicted, and obsessed! I love that you have such variety of people, and you are incredibly informative. You've got something special! Thank you so much 😘
Thank you for posting this, Dr. Grande. I like your calm and thoughtful narrative and aspire to that in my own CZcams videos. I've been a fan of Brian Jones since my early teens as I admired his talent, versatility, and personal style. However, I do think it unconscionable that he seemed to offer virtually no support to his children even though he earned a great deal as a rock star. I've also heard that he was a domestic abuser as well. Jones came from the most refined family of all the members of the band; his social class was different to Bill Wyman, Keith Richards, and Charlie Watts. Jagger, of course, came from a respectable middle-class family. I have heard that Brian's mother showed a pronounced preference for his sister, and this may have had a negative effect on his psyche. He also brought embarrassment to his proper family due to his wayward acts. Another factor that may have played a role is that Brian was a little man. He was no more than 5'6" tall and was physically frail due to asthma. He was considered the best looking and best dressed member of the band, though. All in all, a concise analysis. I have subscribed to your channel and will let others know about it. Thanks for posting.
With all respect Dr. Grande, thank you for your analysis and covering a person without whom, there would be no Rolling Stones.
Who by the way, are playing live as I write this , 56 years after Brian Jones started band.
He Hired Mick & Keith.
Named the band.
Managed the band.
Got them gigs and pushed hard for bigger shows.
Taught Mick the harmonica.
And was a talented multi-instrumentalist who's contributions to Paint it Black, Lady Jane, No Expectations and many others, defined the music and broadened the bands musical scope.
But, he didn't adapt to their 1st manager whos shrewdness (making the Stones the 'bad boy' group- purposely bthe opposite of the 'good boy' group The Beatles) was arguably b6he biggest factor in catapulting the group to mega- stature. 5he undeniable charisma and talent of The Stones not withstanding.
His story sounds a lot like what happened to Gram Parsons, who also hung out with the Stones. When Keith Richards has to do a drug intervention on you, you're probably going to die. Also, Brian Jones had a reported propensity for beating up women, which is why Anita Pallenberg left him for Keith Richards. Also, allegedly Ian Stuart blacked both his eyes for him after he brought a young woman back to the hotel, then left her beaten and bruised. Things like that had to create tension in the band.
Thank you for producing this video, Dr. Grande! There is a resurgence in Brian Jones brief life and untimely death lately. I believe a film is about to be released that explores the events surrounding his death. I've long been interested in the story - ever since the early '80's when the Rolling Stones' members officially turned middle-aged and they kept on touring and producing new albums.
Thank you for this video. Brian played many instruments. He was also involved with Anita Pallenberg who dumped him for Keith Richards. I wasn't aware that he had so many children or that he may have been mentally ill.
Dr. Grande, I am hooked on you and your channel! One thing this episode brought up for me is, what happened to Brian Jones as a child? In many of your videos I wonder the same thing. I personally came from a broken and dysfunctional family system with a history of broken and dysfunctional people, and I've struggled mightily in life. I think it would be extremely interesting and enlightening if you added a review of the person's upbringing to your background analyses. I believe you touched on Kurt Cobain's family history a bit, and that was good. Please do more of that!
Thank you so much for this, Dr. Grande. Your videos about celebrities helps to bring reality to their inflated worlds 🌎 and personnae!
I think there was likely to be undiagnosed mental health issues, this often accompanies high levels of drug abuse
Never really knew all that about the Stones. Always learning from your videos. And the award for best CZcams channel goes to Dr Grande!!
Robert Johnson is the FOUNDER of the 27 club
God rest Brian's soul & thanx 4 turning the hippies onto the blues
Dr graaaaande love ya wish you were my counselor
Excellent. Who needs TV when we have analysis like this on our smartphones?
No Stones without Jones!
Brian should not have been in a swimming pool late at night, even if he'd just had a few beers, its a bad move.
Clearly he was detached from anyone caring around him who would advise this
He didn't care about himself, though. Depression will kill you.
He was the star. They would never tell him "no".
@@gfx2943 Depression would be an oversimplified description, certainly not an 'endogenous depression'.
His work & personal life were in chaos, + mental chaos inflamed by drugs
I believe Janet Lawson has claimed she told Jones that he should not be considering getting into the pool. Lawson however, like the others there that evening was an unreliable witness, and I suspect that you are correct when you say nobody there that night cared enough about him. In a wider sense I think by his behaviour, Jones had alienated many who had cared about him. Whether anybody could have helped him or not is another thing altogether. You just have to look at any photographs of Jones at Cotchford, and know that the post mortem showed his liver to be badly diseased, and twice the size it should have been, to know that he was on the way out.
Tim Macpherson
Brian Jones was murdered !
Love the rock star profiles! When you get a chance, Dr. Grande, you should check out the story surrounding the disappearance of Phillip Taylor Kramer, bassist for Iron Butterfly. His story reminds me of “A Beautiful Mind”. Thanks for all your hard work!
This is an interesting one and like many other's Dr. Grande does, I learned something about a person that I never knew before. I did't know about Brian Jones' university denial. Among others I didn't know. I read somewhere that Brian Jones saw Mick Jaeger and Keith Richards taking over the band which he didn't like. I'm sorry he didn't survive the band says. The Stones are awesome! Thank you Dr. Grande.
please do, Steve Clark (def Leppard)
Forensic psychology is very difficult but your presentation was credible and professional. Jones was complex, talented yet also resented by primarily Jagger and Richards for his way with women and unique ability to play just about any instrument. Jones schooled the two on picking up and seducing girls. I also suggest the trauma of eventually losing his girlfriend to Richards and Jagger minimizing his efforts when with the band long before drugs took him down had a toll. Sadly Brian being his own worst enemy is probably the primary cause of his demise. RIP.
Love this analysis...I like Brian Jones as an artist and am interested in his life and personality
Thanks for this great analysis. I learned a lot about him that I didn't know before. I also didn't know Frank Thorogood was a secret operative for Richard Nixon. He was a local builder who did some building work on Cotchford Farm for Brian Jones and he was living at Cotchford Farm the night Brian Jones died. The theory is that if he murdered him it was either deliberate - because of the unpaid outstanding balance - or accidental as a result of horseplay in the pool that went wrong.
Robert Simpson....... I believe that Frank Thorogood was directly involved in Brian's death!!! As a matter of fact.... I believe that he was the MAIN PLAYER!
If you watch the documentary film The Rolling Stones the life and death of Brian Jones, the housekeeper said “they “ murdered him and he had fresh water in his lungs not chlorinated and so the story goes “they “ ad in the builder and the Jewish house manager murdered him which is interesting because the Jewish house manager was attached to Alan Klein even so the one of the girls on the premises the night he died was found beaten to death almost a few days later. There is a lot more to this story
It's now become a case of wondering who or what situation will be presented on your next video, and you don't disappoint 😃😃 Love the variety and I love your work Dr Grande. Thank you so much. I look forward to an analysis hopefully one day of the artist Prince and George Michael 💛💛
Could you do an analysis on Kevin Carter or Elliot Smith? It would be genuinely interesting to hear you opinion
Psychologist AND a Rock n' Roll historian? Wow - you are the whole package! 😜😃 I agree with you completely about Jones. Poor guy didn't have a chance. My favorite drummer of all time is Ginger Baker. This elite drummer was very irascible and I would love to hear your take on him. Cheers!
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The movie "Beware of Mr. Baker" is free on CZcams and it contains some important insights into the mad character that was Ginger Baker.
@@JohnPaul-le4pf Thanks! I've seen it like 4 times. 😃
@@longwhitemane
I saw it in an art house cinema when it was first released. Scattered around the theater were young men who hadn't been born when Cream was together. They laughed loudly at everything Ginger said.
I thought that movie showed some deep insight into Baker's personality, and I think Cream was the best band of that era.
One of my favorite analysis thus far! Thank you 💕👏🏻
you should do one on sid vicious
Most of these people died young of drug abuse - what's there to analize ?
Did you ever see the movie "Sid and Nancy," from 1986, with Gary Oldman playing Sid? It's a very dark and grim movie and they come to a bad end, of course, but the movie is well made and acted.
He was such a gifted musician and left us far too early. Interestingly, you mentioned that although he was a talented musician his conscientiousness was not at a level necessary to succeed. I completely agree. Unfortunately, possessing raw talent isn't enough-it's really just the beginning. As we know, cultivating a talent in music or otherwise requires hard work, dedication, sacrifice, hours (...days, weeks, months, years) in practice or study. I've had to learn that on one level it's about mastering the art of delayed gratication for lack of a better term. It's first deciding to study, train or practice when you're tired and would rather sleep in when the alarm goes off at 4:30 am, go out with friends, attend an engagement, take the weekend off, see the latest movie etc. etc. Perhaps, his early success undermined any motivation he may have had to prioritize or invest the time necessary to attain mastery in all the aspects his craft. His lifestyle was "sex, drugs and rock and roll" and he already had all the trappings of fame which may have been his downfall. Anyway, thanks for another interesting case study!
I listened to this with interest.
Brian Jones commented he was not interested in marriage as he viewed marriage as a contract. Unless marriage was renewable every year.
Look if you weren't there, or your eyes weren't there one should not judge.
It's all very well to analyse a person but how do you analyse someone who is not present.
You need facts...not hearsay.
OMG I grew up with them. Never expected to see this. Thank you so much for this.! I love 💕 this channel...🥰
Brian Jones was their instrumentalist, pushing them into new sounds played everything, (dulcimer, sitar, kazoo, slide, 12 string)... their music lacked that quality after he was gone. Jagger suffered ... blue turns to gray was about Jones. Also it's safe to say Jones played music that the others wrote down. and later claimed no collaboration.
Brian was also the inspiration
for Shine A Light.