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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 7. 06. 2024
- Proper cable management makes a pedalboard easy to troubleshoot and easy on the eyes. Today, I'm showing you how to route your cables like the pros, so you can get beautiful photo-worthy cable looms with ease! SUBSCRIBE: / vertexeffectsinc
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Thanks to this videos I managed to solder and do cable management like a pro on my pedalboard, valuable stuff!
Amazing! Great job!
Great info as always. My big & obvious message to anyone building their 1st rig = make sure, are all pedals, cables & connections Work-Perfectly, before committing to Dual-lock and cable management or permanent tie-down. I learned this - the hard way.
Thanks for sharing that Michael! Thanks for watching!
Lol same
@@VertexEffectsInc Loving the Chairmen of the Board episodes. Can't get enough. Great information presented.
Videos like this make my OCD happy...
Mine too!!!!
I wish you were my OCD friend that would clean up my pedalboard for međ€Łđ€Ł
Hahahahha
You probably got Fulltone
Proper cable management makes a pedalboard easy to troubleshoot and easy on the eyes. Today, I'm showing you how to route your cables like the pros, so you can get beautiful photo-worthy cable looms with ease! Please tell us any of your best practices for cable routing or any questions you have about this video! BUY Vertex Zip Ties, Tie Mounts, Velcro: www.therigdr.com/products/tone-essentials-kit
Great video man!
@@bryanabelbassist Thanks for watching!
Are you zip tying the cables to each other?
If so, doesnât this make it more difficult to replace one?
FINALLY a vid dedicated to clean cables! Cable management is what separates the pros from the bros, thanks for the help!
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I have always wanted a clean custom-built pedalboard. The Rig Doctor has demonstrated that a custom board is achievable. Moreover, a custom pedalboard is also the least expensive, quickest, & sonically superior way to finally get exactly what I want. Years of buying/selling, swapping, & settling for products not designed for my board are over! My build is not (yet) complete, but I have really enjoyed this project & learning new skills along the way. Your videos have been ... instrumental ... in guiding me along this journey. Cheers!
Thanks so much for watching!
Iâve been one of those requesting this video. Youâve made an obsessive very happy. Thank you!
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SO many great ideas, thank you! I'll be using many of these concepts on my next build.
Amazing! Thanks for watching!
I used 3m dual lock to cover the top of my PT Classic Pro and actually attached my cable tie down mounts to small squares of dual lock essentially creating a sandwich so that my cable management mounts are modular. Iâm constantly changing my board around and found this to be a time saver if your support line changes due to different sized pedals. Always good advice here, thank you for the tips.
Thanks for watching!
So clean! Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
of course, our pleasure!
I love the fact that you take the time to answer most every comment. Be they negative or positive. Oh and the content is great too. Thanks for what you do!
sure thing! Thanks for watching!
I appreciate your vocabulary. Excellent presentation! đđ»
Glad it was helpful!
This was an excellent video. Thank you Rig Doctor.
my pleasure!
I tear up and rebuild my boards about once a month. They all look like hell. Kinda like the munched and crunched post-car-wreck Civic smoking down the freeway. I'm always blown away by your work Mason!
Very clean, neat, and professional looking. I just consolidated 3 pedal boards into one and it's a bit of a mess so I'll have grab some of these tip to see if I can clean it up a little. Thanks for sharing!
Our pleasure!
I was literally hoping you would make a video about this last night! Thanks so much for sharing the knowledge đ€
Our pleasure!
Thank you for additional tips Mason and Vertex Team. Did these for making my board. :)
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Thank you ever so much for this great video! I've been looking for this for a really, reeeeaaally long time! Thank you!
Our pleasure! Hope you enjoyed it
Thanks Mason, this is very helpful to me as I'm going to rebuild my board very soon.
I'm so glad!!!
My board is a mess right now, I have made so many changes and swaps in the last year. Too much time with COVID, I found the channel looking for ways to just overhaul things and this looks like a great place to start. Keep up the content I have subscribed and looking forward to more great videos.
Thanks Brad!!!!
This is an amazing technique. I swap out a pedal now and then, so I like the 3M mounted cable secure tab that opens and closes.
Perfect! And we sell all this stuff on the Rig Doc website if you want what we use www.therigdr.com
Thanks for sharing! I always learn a lot from this channel!
thanks to you i made a good pedalboard myself DIY. A hug from italy
Amazing! Thanks for watching Luca!
love the neat rig setup
Great info man! Thanks, regards from Argentina.
Thanks for adding value to my day.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Super helpful! Thanks for doing this!
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As a guitar tech, I've found that staggering the top row of pedals compared to the bottom row helps insure the artist is less likely to hit a switch on a bottom pedal when hitting the switch on a pedal on the top row. This isn't always possible to do with some pedals and pedal board dimensions, but it's a good rule to start with when building a new board.
As always uncle mason awesome đ video Iâve learned a lot about pedalboard solder cables and more thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge and your time đđżđđżđđżđŻ
Thanks for watching!
this is any artist save style to look more pro. outstanding info. thanks.
Thanks alot from Morocco for your advises to make my dream pedalboard .
Glad to hear that!
Great tips! Been wanting to clean up my messy cables and this is a great solution
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Our pleasure!
I appreciate your great videos! Thanks!
Nice and very useful tips Mason...Hopefully your business will more success and growing in this year.
Thank you for the support!
great vid Uncle Mason! Diggin' the background music too!
Had some great contributors there, Danish Pete provided a few tracks which are pretty slick, as did Tim Marco.
This is great Iâm building a board soon, I did my Volume Pedal Mod off of your vid and itâs Amazing u da man!!
I'm so glad! Hope you dig it!!!
Great video! Thank you.
Glad you liked it!
Second time watching this. I built a 20u rack on sunday and got two pull out shelves to rack my pedals so i can connect them to a voodoo lab gcx switcher. I want to make it look super clean like yours but its a little overwhelming. I need a lot more cable to give the racks enough clearance when extended outwards. I'll likely add a 2nd gcx so trying to plan for that as well.
Keep it up guys, these videos are great.
Glad you like them!
Awesome- I'm starting a flat board build soon and these are just the kinds of tips I need!
I'm likely gonna have to jury-rig one or more risers for the second row of my board, and have power supplies & some audio routing underneath. We've seen examples of that in your builds, but I'm wondering if you'll do (or have done!) a dedicated video on that?
A dedicated video on adding a tier to a pedalboard? Check out Rhett Shull's rig build or what we did for Anthony Best or even Erick Walls...we added a tiered second row to a flat board.
Great vid man! You should make a "review your pedalboard" series. I would love to see some tricks and tips on the pedalboards of viewers as myself. Something like once a month or so would be a nice change :D
That would be fun! Good idea!
Awesome! Thanks for sharing this. Any chance to see this done on a slanted board with the the power supply mounted underneath?
Same technique, you'd actually already have rails set up for you to follow that are straight so the painter's tape might not matter.
Love this DIY tips!
Heck yea! Thanks for watching!
Would love to see a video on mounting pedals in a rack shelf/drawer. Thanks.
Thanks for the idea!
With some of your helpful Videos , my G2 equipped pedal board is working perfect. No excessive noise etc. . ,.
Great to hear!
Awesome vid as always.
Thanks for watching
Thatâs pretty slick Doc.
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Hey Mason do you have a video explaining how to route patch cables underneath a pedal?
I got some that are on the top row and since my powerbank is underneath the board I need to loop the patch cable around the board which looks untidy. Is it just a matter of gluing some material so that the pedals are elevated so the cables can fit underneath? I'm aiming for a no cable look.
awesome content, thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Nice video. Thanks
Our pleasure!
You are really awesome, Mason. You have a lot of useful info and wisdom, and it is very generous of you to share it. BTW I bought some of your patch cables from the Tone Doctor... they are game changing. So much better than anything I have ever used. There is a noticeable reduction in noise. Great job on the soldering (shout out to Adam in San Diego!). Thank you.
Awesome! Thank you!
Cheers for the great videos
Great video! Keep it up!!!
Thank you! Will do!
Beautiful!
Thank you! Cheers!
D*** Mason, that's one beautifully clean looking board!
Do you recommend the 3/4" tie downs over the 1" for the power supply cables?
Thanks in advance.
can you do a similar video but with a switcher like the es-5? I think its so difficult to do it neatly if you have pedals with ports on the side and some on top. Love your video, love vertex products.
Hey, thatâs Room for Relaxation in E. The jam track made by Mr. Peter Honore!!! I knew I recognized that backing track you were using! Great vid to man. Thanks!
Yes...Pete was kind enough to let us use them!
my board is a 2' by 4' plastic folding table from home depot. this is great info, by the way
This will work for that too!
Dude, you're a perfectionist! Me too )))) Thank you so much
Thanks for watching!!!
Hi! i am currently planning to clean the power supply path of my pedal board, and your videos are helping me a lot, but can't find any reference of power supply cable (just the cable!) where do you guys retail it from? (If you have any reference, if possible, in Europe, i'll take it, thanks)
Cool. So much better than duct tape and crazy glue!!! Didnât even know those zip tie, tie down mounts existed. Actually I knew they existed just threw a bunch away since I didnât know what I had. What a Ninney!đ
Very clean
I wonder if this can be done on my Pedaltrain Nano, I have a couple of very tall pedals... Will try it next week together with dual lock.
Mason, finally got all my parts and supplies to build my Temple Audio Duo 24 board. I appreciate all the past help and suggestions, from solder to cables. My next question is: do you have a preference on whether to run your patch cables under or on top of the board? (My power supply will be mounted underneath and the power cables will run underneath as well).
Thanks again.
For our style rigs we put them all on top so we can trouble shoot more easily. That's normally a best practice among rig builders.
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks so much! Thatâs exactly what I was hoping for. Makes a lot of sense as well.
@@jojo9535 great!
The main issue Iâm having regarding arranging my pedals is keeping them in order according to how they will function best and having specific pedals on the front row that want to keep accessible while keeping my âalways onâ pedals on the back row where theyâre out of the way; unfortunately this seems to make for crazy cable routing.
Iâm trying to grasp using junction box interfaces which is new to me. Thanks for your videos. Iâm hoping this makes finding solutions to these issues more understandable for me.
Thanks for watching! Let us know if we can assist!
A loop switching pedal. There are cheap and expensive options.
Great video and advice! In my case, I'm not in a position, right now, to solder patch cables and power cables to length. For the foreseeable future, I gotta use the stock cables that come with my MXR ISO Brick and flat Ernie Ball Ribbon patch cables. Any advice on how best i can handle my cable management? No footswitch, just one pedal after another.
So grateful to you guys for sharing these techniques with the rest of us. Gives me the confidence to do a proper clean pro level pedalboard. Thank you!
beautifully done. My best practice for pedal board management is i just don't have one (crying internally). Would be cool if you ever get an acoustic board to show some DI options and routing.
good idea! We need to do one of these!
Thanks a fantastic video very useful, greetings from spain ;)
So glad you dig it!
I've always followed Kimmo Aroluoma method with the safety clips instead of zipties. Keep it all tight and clipped down so nothing can come unplugged even when my board gets thrown around, but easy to swap out and add pedals.
You can go that direction, you'll have some limitations however on the size of the loom, and a zip tie isn't that hard to cut and replace if needed.
Rig doctor you are a genious!! đđ just one question; So you put together the audio and power cables right?
Yes as long as itâs not AC
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise. I have a question about troubleshooting a rig. When I use a certain bass and run through my 19 pedal-board with 2 buffers and every pedal bypassed, I sometimes clip my amp pre. But when I plug straight into the amp with the same bass it never clips. The bass is passive, the buffers are TC Elec. Bonafide. Could the buffers be beefing my signal too much? The pickups are quite hot as is.
Aaron, it might be something else on the rig doing this. Have you tried, Bass - TC - Amp and seeing if you take them off the board to test if the buffer is doing this. A buffer is always unity gain by definition.
The info you generously give out is invaluable Mason. Thank you.
My pleasure!
Thank you for the vid!!! It looked to me that when you routed the dc back to the supply from the farthest pedal, you zip tied it the entire way. So what do you do when you route for the next pedal and add another cable to the run? Do you clip the zips from the second pedal and then add then rezip the back to the supply? My biggest issue has been keeping things organized as I add pedals to a run.
You'd clip the zip tie where you were adding a cable, but in the video I didn't apply zip ties until a cable was added into the loom or row of cable leads. So tie down mounts go down first, then bring the cables as you got and zip tie them as you go, adding each additional cable to the wire loom.
What are your thoughts on the Temple pedalboards?
Awesome video! What extra tips would you give for under the board cable management?
Same tips can be used in terms of the clean lines. I generally don't do this for trouble shooting reasons and exposure of the cable.
@@VertexEffectsInc thanks a lot, Iâm re-doing my pedalboard and all these tips really help.
Very cool video !
Thank you very much!
Nice tutorial Mason. One question, do you ever have signal issues running the audio cables next to or on top of the DC cables? Iâve read and been told in the past not to run signal wires parallel and next to power line. Essentially make a separate run and to only cross perpendicularly.
As stated in the video, if it's DC it doesn't matter. If it's AC then you'll have an issue. People that are saying that either don't understand or mean AC lines, not DC.
Thanks for sharing!
I wonder how far from the audio-cables must Ac-cables be? I have power supplies with internal transformers so I have a pair of 240v AC cables under my pedalboard.
Thanks!
The answer is, it depends. We think of AC as being a smooth 50/60Hz sinewave. if that were the case then at 240v at the tiny power draw (typically a whole pedalboard will require far less than 20Watts, meaning the current draw from the mains will be... less than 1/2Amp) you'll get little to no induced hum into your shielded audio cable. What happens in practice is that cheap power supplies (be it power bricks with underspec'ed transformers or cheap voltage regulators or even clipping diode) don't produce 'just' a smooth 9 or 18volt DC voltage but emit quite a lot of electromagnetic signal which are either airbourn (RFI) or overlayed over the DC voltage often with very high frequency signals which cause the audio cables to act as a sort of antenna and passes that crud into the pedal. If the pedal electronics isn't designed to filter this out (most pedals have little to no input filtering to deal with this extranious noise) then you'll hear it as unwanted audio on the output of the pedal. So, what does this mean in practice? Try it with your power supply(s) with your pedals and guitar and amp (with the amp on and turned up!) so you can move cables and hear if there is an increase/decrease in noise or not.
Great tips Mason! I'm trying to clean up my rig the best I can but I have a pedal board that has to connect to different channels on a mixer where I have my mic. I play solo bouzouki and sing. Pedal board has a looper on it as well that goes into the mixer. I end up running about nine cables from the pedal board to the mixer so I can separate things for a better mix. Kind of a hassle to setup every time. If I put the mixer on the pedal board it becomes huge. I also thought of having a multipin snake that plugs into the pedal board and the mixer case. Sorry for the long post but wondered if you ever put together a rig with this situation. Could be a cool video! Thanks again!
Never anything with an on-board mixer. I would still treat the mixer like the "amp" in this case.
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks!
Great posts Mason. Im building a pedalboard and it is difficult and confusing. Thanks so much for the advice man its priceless. I wish I could just send everything to you and have it all done to perfection !
Happy to help!
Thank you
You're welcome
Amazing video! Whatâs your take on pedaltrain builds? Would this information apply?
You could apply this underneath the rails, if I use a Pedaltrain I do what I did with Kerry Marshall's rig (see it on our channel) or the John Mayer giveaway pedalboard rig we did with Sweetwater.
Awesome such an incredible talent. If I give you the line up of my affects, would you give me some advice in what order would be best?
Ordinarily the standard would be guitar, buffer, tuner, compressor, distortion, overdrive, modulation, delay, reverb, buffer, amp
What would you recommend to do with excess DC power cable if one doesn't have the means to cut the cable and redo the end?
Thanks Mason! Absolutely great advice and tips. Any insights on building pedalboard snakes?
So glad you dig it! Tech Flex and big pieces of heatshrink is usually the move. I got for a decently flexible spiral shielded cable like the Mogami 2524 typically.
@@VertexEffectsInc cool, that will work. How about shielding AC from signal? Is it a concern?
@@scottratell3705 I wouldn't put the AC in with the audio if I were doing it.
Mason, Good Day! How do you prioritize your pedal locations on the pedal board? Is it signal path or geography on the board? IOWs- if fit was an issue, would you put a pedal farther out of the signal path (& use a longer cable to reach it) to fit on the board? OR set up the board in signal path order and deal with the fit problems?
Usually signal path is the priority but sometimes there is a specific placement someone prefers that defies the signal path.
Hey Mason! Do you think that I could use 1 trs input to be the mono in and mono out of my board?
Sure, that's what most inserts are
Thanks man !
Happy to help
Space management isnât just for Space Force.
hahahaha
Im pretty fiscally challenged so I always use all velcro boards and i put my tie down mounts on a long strip as well, it allows everything to be easily reversable in the event i end up needing to redesign.
That's another way to do it!
Excellent tip!
This is why I use either a multifx or modeling SW like TH-U. No time, no mess and infinitely customizable in an instant. Have fun playing with your cables, I'm getting back to playing guitar đž đ
What you save in time, you loose in tone :)
Ok Mason, I have a question that Iâve not heard mentioned much, if at all.
What do you recommend for cables to go from your pedalboard to your amps?
Good pre-made 15-20â guitar cables? (I use two/two amps)
Or the same cable that you use between pedals?
Great channel!
Ideally low capacitance and flexible. I like Mogami 2524, Belden 9778, and a few others, but if you've got a good buffer on the output it really doesn't matter too much compared to the input cable. The cables on the board should be smaller and flexible like the 2319 or 2314 and not as robust as the instrument cables.
Hi! Are alumium pedalboards shielding the cables - if I'm mounting the signalcables on the upside and the powercables on the downside on the Pedaltrain?
not the same guy, but Im an electrical engineer -- it's not going to make any difference
Very helpful video. It looks like you made your own patch cables of the perfect length in some of these clips. Do you have a video on how to do that?
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I was just looking these up :)
We have many patch cable tutorials and all of our rig build videos showcase this as well :)
Thank you both for your responses! Very helpful.
Great Video Mason, I don't have a Pedal Board yet but I hope to get one over the next few months; my best practice for the last 30 years was Duct taping 4 pedals to the stage wired in series!!!! Stay Groovy man!!
Best of luck! Go for it!
Man you make the best pedalboard build videos. I canât wait to get vertex products for my next build. Thanks for doing what you do.. đžDr. Greg. MAJIK BAND guitarist đž
Glad you like them!
Mason, I have an old Roland Phase II, AP-2 that takes TWO 9-volts. What would you recommend as a DC input. Iâm assuming Iâd have to drill a hole, but thatâs about as far as I know. Iâve tried using adapters to connect to the power supply, but that does not seem to be working, so back 2 9-volts.
You could take the battery leads and re-terminate them as their own DC jacks and clip off the battery clip. OR you could get those pigtails from Voodoo Lab that allow you to clip to a battery clip inside the pedal and bring it out the main power supply. You'd have to drill it either way. Ideally put a grommet or something in the hole you drill do you don't cut up the cable rubbing against the drilled hole.
If you use 3M dual lock for your board (looking at all the other players out there that are constantly swapping things around), you can use short thin strips (mine are rouglhly 1.5"x.25") to pin cables down anywhere they cross the dual lock. Way faster than zip ties, only slightly less secure. You can also tuck away excess cable length using this method - great if you aren't cutting everything to size or want to make a temporary swap using an off-the-shelf patch cable.
Generally if you create cable "channels" and leave room for a few different effect sizes, you can maintain clean lines and swap out pedals easily instead of having to compromise. Of course if you're changing order, placement, and orientation of the board you're probably not optimized for this sort of "neat" set up anyway - I'd just stick with a organization system you can live with whatever it may be.
@@VertexEffectsInc That's a good point. This is definitely a compromise that works for me because I only have to clean up my rig for a handful of gigs per year. (And when my roommates start complaining about the mess of cables in the corner of the living room...)