Why I shifted from Palo Mayombe to Traditional Kongo Spirituality
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
- WHY I SHIFTED FROM PALO MAYOMBE TO TRADITIONAL KONGO SPIRITUALITY ~ Iya J.
1:22 Planned or not?
2:58 My Hand of Ifa, 1st sign of change
4:55 Tried to find others who fully initiated into both systems
7:37 Met elders from the Kongo, 2nd sign of change
9:16 Went to the Kongo, the most influential aspect of my change
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Nsala Malakum Yayi. I enjoyed your video… on my journey in Palo Mayombe, I’ve learned a lot from godparents. As I go deeper on my path my Congo spirits / ancestors are showing me secrets that are not being shared or no one wants to talk about.. like how they traveled etc. I’m happy for you! May Nsambi continue to bless you.🌻
Malakum Nsala...Matondo (thank you), I truly appreciate the blessings.
Nice sis where did you went for all your initiation?
Very interesting! Thank you for sharing! 😊
Thanks for watching!
In my personal situation I could not initiate into Ifa until I initiated into the Congo tradition
Omg its crazy that this video popped up! I wasnt introduced to witchcraft with Palo but Ive been feeling I want something deeper! I’m afro-latina BUT grew up in an african american household bc I didnt know my hispanic side of the family(Dad)! And honestly since my initiation into palo, Im soo interested in a deeper aspect of ATR! I’m learning on my own about palo and Kingo tradition/culture…bc of the fact my padrinos arent doing their part in guiding me or having time to TEACH ME. Its like they hot their money and thats it. BUT GOOD THING I love to learn new thing and love to read! But No classes, nothing from ny initiation so its dissappointing…. After I payed $1500. But I want to know it all! PALO, IFÁ, OCHA…. All of ATR to an extent! Thank you for this video! Cab someone get in contact with you OUTSIDE of youtube?
You're very welcome. We have a festival coming in April with several speakers on traditional Kongo spirituality and the Ifa-Orisa tradition. You can find details at isis-moon.com/events and email to admin@isis-moon.com. Thanks for watching.
Very inciteful video. That was my experience initially. I imitated first into Palo Kimbisa, then I initiated into Ifa in the Isese Lagba tradition.
Thank you for watching and sharing your experience.
Thank you ror sharing your beautiful story. I too had my DNA done but through Ancestry. And found out most of my DNA is from Nigeria I'm 36% I also have roots in the Kongo. For years before I knew this. Every time I would hear about the horrors the Congolese people, suffered at the hands of Leopold in Belgian Congo. I would cry & get very emotional about it. It still bothers me to this day. So I knew I had Roots connected to those people. I thought about Palo but wasn't sure. I'm Afro- Caribbean/ West Indian roots on my mother's side from the Bahamas. So Lucumi seems like a fit culturally. But I was lead to Isese. I also had a Ifa divination done. With an Isese Babalawo who said I was called to initiate into the system. This was two and a half three years ago. I have not initiated yet but I practice Hoodoo. Which was taught through my Great-grandmother and I venerate the Seven African Powers along with My Ancestors. I'm not sure which way the winds will blow (Oya). But for now I'm happy & Blessed.
Ase! Many blessings to you on your journey and thank you for sharing your story as well. The spirits will definitely guide you on the best route to take and support you in decisions at every crossroads.
It is common to initiate in Palo first then ifa “Iku lobi osha” and yes you can do both Yaya and saint coronation become a Iyalosha and work both 🇵🇷 if the person you went to told you different STAY AWAY!
It was years ago when I was told that. I was just sharing that part of my story which was me asking people in the community I was connected to at the time about initiates to both Palo and Ifa.
Great video; Can you do a compare/contrast video between Palo Mayombe & Kongo Spirituality?
Thank you! I will definitely put that on my list of topics to cover.
@@isismoonYaya / Iya if only the black people would speak up on how alot of us have been wronged in our own traditions that are teached by others and some of our own kind. Im supposed to be short of 6 years in Palo but wasn't initiated properly on purpose by my so called Padrino.
Great info/can you direct someone to books about authentic Kongo spirituality?? Thanks
Thank you. There are several that I like but here's 2: Death and the Invisible Powers & African Cosmology of the Bantu-Kongo. I use to have a library page on my website but I took it down. I have a free network where a share more info like this. You can check it out isis-moon.mn.com
Greetings again! Yes I have this book(years ago)! I must revisit it ! Thanks
How does one connect with you to discuss this further. As per my ancestral dna results I am also from Kongo ancestry. I am experiencing the usual issues here in the diaspora and would much rather go home (Africa) for further education in Palo/Bukongo practices . Please help
Thank you for your inquiry. I offer brief consults, monthly membership plans, and coaching on my website to connect with individuals on this topic and more. www.isis-moon.com/
But you cant un-initiate from Palo ! The Nganga accepts you, you are scratched, you received your Lucero...then your Nganga....and you are bound..
.please explain. Thank you Sister
What's the name of the song playing in the background? What she is saying and that song is stuck in my head
I'm not sure. It was chosen by my editor.
@@isismoon please ask your editor
How can I find traditional Kongo priest can’t find none here in the U.S
I do not know anyone else besides myself that lives here in the United States. I'm not saying there aren't any. They're just not in my network. Most of the traditional ngangas that I know are in the Africa.
How can us Black Women move closer to lewrning traditional Kongo Spirituality? From a lot of hiuses the representation doesn't even resemble the Kongo people. Do you know where I can learn?
Learning takes time. Just remember to give yourself the time you need to evolve and understand. I am having a festival in April when I will be having several elders from the Kongo to provide guidance to us all. If you're interested, you can visit my site isis-moon.com/events to RSVP. Thanks for watching.
Help the Congo ppl out the crisis is bad there
Yes I know. I have Kongo elders and people that I communicate with there on a regular basis. Currently, one of my elders has an orphanage that me and my spiritual family send support. I also send what I can to others that I know living in the Kongo.
I'm am initiated in Ifa and Palo Kimbisa. I would love to speak with you.
@@GULLAHTV33 Malecum Nsala! It's great to meet you!
Wow.. Nsala Malakum brothers and sisters… I’m also Yayi Kimbisa ❤
Nsalamulakum Yayi. I’ve been looking for someone to connect with from the congo
Im a Tata in palo and im also going to receive my hand of ifa eventually. When I ask my babalawo about palo, he doesnt know what it is😅. So im assuming ifa is used to keep someone aligned with their destinty and palo is for daily guidance
Yes, depending on where your Babalawo is from, I can say it's common that they may not know a lot about Palo. And there is more of a deeper difference between the two systems then what you're assuming. So it's probably best to talk to your elders who initiated you into Palo about that.
That’s weird. Babalawo most definitely should know what palo is
Two diferent systems even though Ifa uses many of the same herbs called ewe and uses the Orishas to do work they all use eggun -the spirits and ancestors. When you consult Ifa there is always an ebbo, for good or to ward off so called bad. In Malongo it is usually more direct but the greates is espiritismo where you speak directly with spirit and tells you your problem and how to solve it.
Yeah so I’ve decided to go the Santeria/Lucumi route 😅
I have both elekes and warriors since 1989, nkimba 1990, and I made kari ocha in 2006, if it is your path let you guides and ancestors guide you; do not listen to everyone of my jesus better than his jesus because I need a new cadillac, or we do not do Cuban, Brazilian, Hatian, we direct to Afrika etc etc beware all I am saying peace.@@mavrickvalor5231
Interesting how they practice in the Congo someting that bascially disappered over 500 years ago, and Palo Monte so called Palo Mayombe has a lot more than people think or so called know, but it is a creole system just like Hatian Voo-Doo, and New Oreleans style compared with Ghanian or Ivory Coast, or Liberian. Thas why it is called Afro-Cuban. It would be interesting to know from what lineage , branch, munazo you hail from and where intiated by whom but like you say it is your journey and how they practice in Afrika today is not how they practice in Cuba or 500 years ago, funny I thought women were not aloud in most tradional religions unless old be glad to converse with you sometime be well.
Palo is almost list Christianity with the systematic aspect! Palo branches of into different sectors…. brillumba, Kimbisa, Monte, Malongo, monte! Keep that in mind! Like Christianity…. Baptist, catholic, pentacostal, lutheran etc. So Palo Mayombe is not just Monte
I was just initiated into Palo Mayombe but Brillumba/Cota Lima lineage….. every lineage/munanzo is soo different which is beautiful but frustrating and controversial
There is Corta Lima Bryumba from Aramndo Palmer and his brother, (La Habana), there is Corta Lima igualito brought here in the 1960's when the white Cuban exodus, from Fidel Castro. there is cota Lima and there was from Matanzas the original Corta Lima they were Mayombe tradition from Union de Reyes I beilieve.@@ashn91108
There are only 4 original branches born in Cuba, from these branches you get the style the names and the way of doing things in the way they do there ceremonies. They are all Malongo @@ashn91108
True
Stop taking Afrakan spiritual practice to Latin America. These ppl do not like us.
Palo is Cuban there is no such thing in Africa
No such thing? Please do some research on the origins of Palo. If it wasn’t for the Africans specifically from the Kongo kingdom “Cuban Palo” wouldn’t exist!
Exactly. @@divine4309
You are very wrong. Just like santeria. The origins are from Africa. It's practiced differently in Cuba and other places
You are very wrong