RUNEXT: Why Talented Trainees Didn’t Debut with ILLIT…
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- Wondering why certain trainees from Runext didn't debut with ILLIT? Explore our analysis for insights into the factors behind their absence from the final lineup. Could it be their song choices, limited opportunities, or specific criteria set by the producers? Delve into the unique experiences each trainee faced during the competition, unraveling the intricacies that shaped their journey.
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Correction for Jeongeun:
She actually placed 6th in the final voting, which would have made her eligible for debut if it were based on the votes.
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for jihyun the nasality point was only evident in dalla dalla showing that she had improved to eleven where she sounded much better
also the show was so rigged in screentime like as a jihyun stan i didnt even know she had a dancebreak during pride because during her killing part they focused on the audience, the cameras every other member besides her
The way the judges and editing sabotaged Chanelle is my roman empire
True. I don't support Illlit
Jiwoo was one of the most talented survival show trainees I’ve ever seen.
It’s crazy the discourse around illit not being able to sing live when in my opinion runext had some of the best female vocals I’ve ever heard in one of these audition shows.
Have you watched Universe Ticket?
Underdeveloped and lack of vocal training in the pre-debut catch you off guard. Belift are aware of that now and providing heavy vocal training.
Wonhee even said in that Trivia interview on youtube that she wants to try other jobs like singer. But she had to work hard towards that goal. When I listened to her encores I was very disappointed because she was so strong in r u next as if she forgot how to sing.
You... have seen only R U Next i assume... because vocal talent clearly wasn't present on the show aside from 4 or 5 girls... it was a very lackluster pool of trainees overall
@@Mrgyuk._ sure have I’d put their vocals above these girls for sure
@@sowhat_idontcare151 this was wrong but you’re entitled to your opinion and i literally said “some of” reading is indeed fundamental
I still feel like the fan favorite top6
Chanelle, Jeemin, Jiwoo, Minju, Yeongseo and Yunah would've been the strongest girl group of their generation if they had debuted together. Hybe really messed up the lineup inorder to match the preplanned concept of the debuted group. Such a great loss.
If they wanted they could've easily made 2 different groups out of the trainees. Each having a completely different concept. This top6 could've had a more mature concept (like bad girl good girl, given taken, bad boy,). And the 2nd group with Moka, Wonhee, Jeongeun, Seoyeon, Ena could've had the concept Illit has. But debuting 3-4 years later after more training since all of them have some department where they need more training.
Also a 3rd group could've been made with Iroha, Himena, Yuisa, Funa and Ruka for hybe Japan.
Now that you mention it Himena giving Lisa vibes is actually accurate in a way :0
yes, even fellow runext trainees (i forgot who) have said this while they were filming this show
I also think that the judges were already eyeing Chanelle to join Illit until the ssfwl performance, it all went down hill after that.
Before the video:
After Illit's debut, imo (as someone who didn't watch the show), it's clear that many of the talented contestants on RUNEXT didn't debut with Ill-it because they were not suitable for the concept no matter how talented they were. As well, like all survival singing shows, I believe shows puts contestants there they have no intention of debuting because
1) They want to advertise talented trainees for future other shows (ex. See Dayeon from Kep1er on Produce, then during Girls Planet)
2) Less talented trainees can use the show to either develop their skills or as a last chance
3) Executives want to nail down a particular concept, but are unsure so use trainees with different strengths to test it out
I think the third option is what happened with RUNext, especially once trainees like Wonhee and Moka rose in popularity domestically. So while trainees like Jiwoo, Chanelle and Jeemin were no doubt talented, once the concept was nailed down behind the scenes it was already decided. Naturally, that's where the upset reaction from fans originated.
I also think reason 1 is currently why Jeemin and Jeongeun are on I-Land. Since Hybe was previously involved in the project, they likely know that the future group to come out of the show are going to fit their performance styles and strengths better. So they were sent there instead.
I will expand my comment once I finish the video.
I agree with the following:
1. Correct. The best example among the trainees is the 12-year-old Ena. If HYBE wants to debut a trainee with the best potential to improve her vocal skills (might even surpass ILLIT’s Minju and NewJean’s Hanni vocally in the future), investing in Ena would be wise. The girl has so much untapped vocal talent. She just needs further training. Hoping that HYBE won’t let her go after all the vocal controversies lately.
2. Agree. While not everyone can debut, the survival show ultimately became their solid training ground and achievement in honing their strengths and weaknesses.
3. Yup. This idea is solidified with their concept mission as explained in Jeemin’s part.
Thank you for always giving your objective thoughts btw! Appreciate them always!
Comments after watching the video:
I can't comment much on the talent of individual trainees, so I'm going to trust your analysis regarding their talent! I will add however that from the clips that I have seen of the show, a lot of the comments made towards certain trainees seemed to have been an effort to push a certain lineup no matter what. No disrespect to the Ill-it members, as this happens on literally every survival show or singing show (that I've watched at least).
Regarding Chanelle, her case reminds me a lot of Yunjin when she was on Produce. Being American, it's often encouraged to stand up for what you want, especially in a more competitive environment like a competition. Yunjin did so on Produce and got hate. Chanelle did similar, and experienced the same.
So, that kind of attitude seems to not be favorable in Korea, and it leads to the impression that she's immature and difficult to work with, when that may not have been the case BTS. I remember seeing a clip of that particular performance on TT, and distinctly remember a judge commenting that she was "off-key". I hope that's a mistranslation, and they probably meant she didn't mesh well with the group/concept? Which I can understand. Not everyone fits every concept.
Either way, I hope she continues on her path as an idol or singer in the future.
@@EKCristobal I get the feeling Hybe is going to focus on developing more vocally talented groups in the future after the backlash against Lesserafim for their Coachella performance. Ena would be a great addition to a more vocally focused group! I'm curious to see how she does in (hopefully) 3 or 4 years, as that's typically the time between new group debuts. 🤔
@@goldyd144Ah yes, Yunjin in Produce 48 almost 6 years ago. Thank you for reminding me. And yes, the judges commented Chanelle being off-key with their SSFWL performance. While we still appreciate her, she was really down that time that it unfortunately affected her performance. Even in their rehearsals and the interim check, she did struggle. I hope too that Chanelle will ultimately find the path that’s for her in this lifetime.
As for Jiwoo, I’m going to trust your vision with her.
Thank you once again.
*Jeungeun isn’t on I-LAND 2 it’s a different Jungeun
hybe missed the opportunity of debuting a vocal heavy group especially with how they're literally under fire for everything right now, at least having a homegrown vocal group would take some heat away from them. (emphasis on homegrown, since most of the groups that debuted during hybe era are being flamed for bad vocals)
I think hype already had a plan for the group and I think it’s just based on who fit the concept.
indeed
I think if Ill-It were to debut as 8 members Jongeun and Himena would undoubtedly been picked, i thought Jiwoo would fit in Ill-It as her face and voice gives dream vibe but after watching her Scrum performance she barely shined unlike her Desperate performance, i actually think she fits more in girl crush as she shines more there
sure.. thats why chanelle got the best rating in the new jeans song who has a similar concept to illit...
Answer: Concept. They didn't fit the fixed concept Bang PD and producers have planned since 2021.
Only applies to finalists.
iland2 is jeemins to win tbh, she just has this intoxicating presence and her voice has improved so much.
If hyewon gives channel the idc performance and take 5 seasons performance it's well be better since I think hyewon Will shine with the rap part and the dance moves instead of sitting and trying to hit high not also i think Chanel we'll show more of her vocals in idc
this actually makes sense!
@@EKCristobal hyewon is good dancer if she just chose the purple performance she well gain attention for her flexibility plus i think some part of the song fits her vocals range more
@@user-cd9ws9pt5h Right? It could've been interesting. Wishing only the best for her!
@@EKCristobal its sad how much potential is wasted for moka, like her vocals are a higher range so in lucky girl syndrome shes getting praised domuch but in magentic where the song is clearly outta her vocal range she sounds terrible like chaewon or yunjin who are excellent sinegrs in higher rangees
@@ItsAjaxMateRight, it all comes down to vocal ability for balance. I think in this case because the debut is an unestablished identity they went for a title track that will go viral for general public in all ages.
Illit starts from zero. Have no fans from other popular groups to support them or what MHJ did with NewJeans she reached out to SM stans to support them and become Bunnies immediately and surpassed IVE's and Le Sserafim's IZ*ONE fanbase in terms of subscribers. TXT got support from ARMY for example. Enhypen was very popular from i-land.
But in the future I think we will see songs that benefit the members to sing with live vocals. Virality for the debut was to find new fans somewhere. Belift are now providing them heavy vocal training when promotion period is over.
i feel like looking at illit and their concept Jeongeun and himena would be better options instead of moka and yunah, Yunah is too slayful for their concept and moka really lacking vocal ability. I feel like those girls wouldve really balanced the groups talent abilities big time. Right now there is a clear lack of balance in the line up especially with vocals, wonhee and minju carrying the weight while yunah and iroha can clearly improve, moka needs to go back to the basement or else it will be sakura pt2.
i do think jiwoo would fit perfectly in a guardian angel or classy fashion girl concept but i also do see her as a soloist too, she does have that authentic quality that would make her stand out. Jeemin clearly will debut in iland2s group,
It was between Jeongeun and Yunah. Himena or Moka. Himena was ranked 10. Last place of top 10 finalists.
I agree with Moka, she lacks technique because she is not an allrounder in her vocals. She only fits high range songs. But they picked her because Bang PD is not looking at talent out from the gate he wants every artist to develop their own style overtime. Star quality potential. It worked for BTS though.
Yunah maybe too slayful in ru next but Bang PD and the producers had a Sailor Moon inspired magical girl concept in mind they have planned since 2021. Remember Sailor Jupiter was tall and a slayful tomboy.
Himena lacked vocal ability during episode 9 when she was struggled to hit high notes in Aim High during her practice. Maybe she was better with low range songs but I don't think this debut is a receipt of their future identity. They have yet to announce details for their webtoon.
If the webtoon was planned in 2021 that means it has been delayed because Youngseo left early this year and they had to edit parts where 6th member is not part of this lore. Belift are going to use the lore in Illit's discography, aesthetic, etc like Enhypen.
I agree with Moka and Yunah. They don't fit the concept but somehow get chosen.
@@hbrant Youngseo left because they probably have something on her. I am she is really sad right now when somehow sabotaged her career before it started.
@@moonlightpaw5868 It just hit me now why Illit didn't debut with their theme linked to upcoming webtoon unlike TXT and Enhypen who did debuted with their theme because they had full line-up from the start. Illit lost Youngseo in the process. This EP must have been changed with 5 members only. For that reason Illit only got 4 tracks for the EP which should have been 6 tracks if the first track was a intro track. Enhypen and TXT got 6 tracks including a intro track for their debut.
you missed the real reason on jiwoo, and that is, she is too old to debut.
i dont think jiwoo ranking 9th was what held her back, as moka, who is a much more underdeveloped vocalist, ranked 8th and was a PD pick over the girls who made it into the top 6 (jeemin and jeongeun). when you consider this, alongside the fact that jiwoo was actually the 4th highest in votes (after youngseo, jeemin and minju) when they were allowing international votes, she would've been top 6 if they counted our votes as well. in the interim vote that was released, wonhee jumped from 9th to 1st. clearly a big discrepancy between domestic and international numbers.
jiwoo and chanelle were the two contestants who had a much stronger international fan base than domestic. plus, she was voted best trainee also during the show. its not that she wasn't popular. or that she wasn't skilled. the truth is she was born in october 2001 and they wanted teenagers. she was 21. practically one foot in the grave, 2 years too late for an industry that prioritises aesthetic of youth over anything else. really shameful
a lineup of youngseo, jiwoo, chanelle, minju, yunah and jeongeun would've been untouchable by critics
My Ruka, Jiwoo and Chanelle.. :(
omg OMG IS THIS YOUR VOICE REVEAL? OMGGGGG THATS SO EXCITING
Yes hehe thank you!
Can you do a tripleS analysis next pls
Hello, could you do a dance analysis of the 5th generation? a ranking like you did
Yes, after the new ggs’ debut promotions are done, will do (to gather as much materials as possible). Thank you so much for anticipating.
The lineup had to be:
.Minju
.Chanelle
.Jiwoo
.Jungeun
.Youngseo
.Yunah
Can you do a analysis on kiss of life or straykids?
I second on kiss of life 🙋🏻♀️
With the current issue going on with Hybe the reason why these specific girls debuted was bc they already had a concept for the debut group. Jeemin, Jiwoo, Chanelle were never gonna make it I fear
Yuisa😢
is chanelle going to redebut? i hope she does
They could've easily debuted Jeemin-Jiwoo-Jungeun-Yunah-Minju+Youngseo-Chanelle
🤷🏻♂️
there were so many good vocalists to choose from yet this is the lineup...
hybe is actually allergic to talent
These girls and their talents are not really their priority.
I think Yeongseo didn't like the Illit cute concept. With her visuals and charisma, she'll have better opportunities. Jiwoo, Chanelle and Jeemin are lucky they didn't make it. I'm hoping iland2 goes for a more mature concept.
1. Wonhee - agree
2. Minju - agree
3. Iroha -agree
4. Jeemin - Can pull off cute concepts even tho she is more of a girl crush.
5. Youngseo - Can pull off cute concepts even tho she is more of a girl crush. I feel like Youngseo leave the group not because she want but because they have something on her so she can't don't have a choice have to leave.
I don't get why Hybe chooses Moka and Yunah when Jeemin and Youngseo are better. Moka and Yunah feel off in the group.