Pride, Bride & Prejudice & Zombies - Ep. 63 of Intentionally Blank
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- Brandon Sanderson and Dan Wells take a trip through the Pride and prejudice Adaptations. Pride & Prejudice & Zombies, Bride and Prejudice, and the 2005 Pride and Prejudice with Keira Knightley.
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Produced by Adam Horne
Sound engineering and editing by Daniel Thompson - Zábava
This is probably my favorite episode of this show we've ever done.
I had fun watching you both! If you want more historical context and Austen commentary, a podcast called Hot and Bothered is reading through Pride and Prejudice and then mixing their discussions with interviews of historians and Austen scholars. Every episode I laugh and learn something cool.
Dan? Has?? CZcams??? Subscribed.
Lookin' sharp in the Unabomber hoodie! 👍
Check out Love and Friendship. It's a Jane Austen adaptation with Kate Beckinsale, and it's wonderful.
How dare you sir. This can’t possibly be one of your favorite episodes because it is one of MY favorite episodes.
I have to publicly apologize to my very good friend Margaret Dunlap, who frigging WROTE the Lizzy Bennett Diaries and whom we completely failed to mention or give props to in this episode. Thank you to everyone who mentioned it, you are better friends than I am.
Love the Lizzie Bennet Diaries!!!!
@officialBrandonsanderson That has to be the least competent scam attempt ever.
Lydia from that show is the best Lydia IMO.
I was just coming on to mention how much I enjoyed the Lizzie Bennett Dairies so glad you had already addressed this.
Yes! I had planned on trying to show select episodes of the Lizzie Bennett Diaries, but we were already going 12 hours straight so we just didn't end up having the time. It's one of my favorites though!
"These children on the Atkins diet will starve if I don't steal this brisket!!!!" I see zero holes in this logic.
You can make it work. Ketogenic diets are really used for treating child epilepsy. (Atkins is the less strict keto.)
@@user-db1iu2fw8z I just found it funny because people went on the Atkins diet to lose weight.
@@Adam_okaay No shame. Just a way to make it a logical plot point. (It's not insensitive to not know the strange treatments of niche medical problems.)
My Sanderson books must be collectibles, they have to be the only ones in existence not signed.
Hold my Kindle
It kind of puts into perspective just how many books this man has sold.
Sense and Sensibility "with Snape" (ie. the one with Emma Thompson, Kate Winslet, Hugh Grant, and Alan Rickman) is a COMPLETE MUST SEE!!! It is an excellent adaptation of Austen's story, adds witty dialogue that isn't anachronistic, captures Austen's sense of humor, is an excellent romance, adds a lot of fun Margaret scenes, is highly quotable, and is just so beautiful. If you can't tell, it's my favorite Austen adaptation.
I see that the "MUST CARRY ALL GROCERIES IN ONE TRIP" logic also applies to brisket thievery. Glad to know I've been building trade skills! 👍
Poor Brandon. What he is pitching is exactly what the book is.
This feels like one of the weirdest no-agenda podcasts and I love it. Thanks for both of you just being yourselves and putting that out there. Makes my day better every time.
I haven't seen any Pride and Prejudice adaptation, but I would listen to Brandon and Dan talking about nearly anything.
I would suggest all of them, just for the experience. The (Bollywood) Bride & Prejudice is a great adaptation
Honestly, for whatever reason Pride and Prejudice just has so many adaptations that are great in different ways, I definitely recommend checking one out! If you’re a big fan of proper period pieces, faithful adaptations, and amazing historical costuming, check out the 1995 miniseries. If you’re a fan of immaculate vibes and just a good film, check out the 2005 movie. Start with one of those two and then enjoy falling down the rabbit hole.
@@bibliophilecb Thanks for the tips! I think I'll start with the 2005 movie adaptation
I'm in the middle of watching the 90's BBC one, so far Mr. Bennet is the MVP, with special shoutout to our "Charisma = 1" male romantic lead.
Brandon, the book version of P,P and Zombies is exactly what you're pitching. It knows its a joke and it runs with it.
I gotta go rewatch Bride and Prejudice now! Also if you haven’t seen it, there is a CZcams adaptation called The Lizzy Bennet Diaries which is awesome. But my personal fave is the 1995 miniseries.
My favourite parts of the miniseries (Since it got so little love here):
I love that they can do things like properly establish minor characters like the Gardiners who are just so well portrayed in the series. I think Kitty is done better too and as mentioned Mr Bennet who is outstandingly well done and much better developed in this than in any of the others.
The visit to Pemberley is just fantastic in this series not at all over done and just so fits the tone of the book. One of the things I particularly love even in comparison with the Kiera Knightley version (Which I dont hate it's a good movie) is that part of the joy of P and P for me is the fact that many things we would not consider incredibly daring, romanic, villainous or exciting are by nature of the time and setting. Austin's ability to portray the thrill of seeing Pemberley and realising the implication of what that might have meant to Lizzy's life and that of all her family is amazing. The Pemberley in the movie is actually overdone it would be well out of Darcy's class range and indeed the effort to make his impassioned romance scene is also not what I go to P and P for. Like I said it is the fact that just a letter or a few words could mean so much because of the very nature of the times. So many things seem over the top in other adaptations including the Lawrence Oliver one adn those mentioned here. For this reason I also absolutely love Darcy's proposal in the mini series. I love the slow reveal of Darcy's true character and his sister and Wickam and even the inspection of LIzzy's friend becoming Mrs Collins which I also think is better portrayed here than in both other adaptations mentioned.
I also absolutely love Lizzy's interview with Lady Catherine,
``I have said no such thing. I am only resolved to act in that manner, which will, in my own opinion, constitute my happiness, without reference to you, or to any person so wholly unconnected with me.'' This is the only series that has the time to deliver this scene almost completely from the book and it is (In my opinion) the best written scene in the book. Delivered just stunningly in the mini series and not matched in either of the others, again partially because time cannot be dedicated to it.
Anyway I could go on but I just wanted to add a little discussion on this series because I think it is excellent and talking about it makes me happy :) Would love to have heard what their favourite moments were from the series or indeed those of the listeneners
The miniseries is masterful. I don’t really care for Austen adaptations, it’s not really my thing, but the miniseries is so well done and I love it.
As “some random dude named Austin,” I am deeply honored to be the topic of todays episode.
But are you honored enough to become a sponsor?
same here!
Putting forth The Lizzie Bennet Diaries from here on CZcams was a wonderful take on modern P&P using a vlog style to tell the story!
Never seen or read Pride and Prejudice but still had a blast listening to y'all talk about this, lol. And speaking about separating Rosamund Pike from Moraine.... It was really weird seeing Gone Girl for the first time right after having seen the Wheel of Time show.
I would love a Emma version of this! 2020 is one of the few adaptations I think really understands Jane Austen’s humor.
Seriously loved that production.
Brandon, as an ichthyologist, your discussion of fish vs fishes is 1) spot on and 2) incredibly cathartic.
I feel I have to mention it:...an amazing and fascinating adaptation: The Lizzie Bennet Diaries (here on yt)
Another interesting adaptation of Pride and Prejudice is “The Lizzie Bennet Diaries”. It’s a modern retelling of the story but it’s all done via short vlogs, there are 100 episodes but each episode is only a few minutes long so it’s only ~8 hours of content. The show was co-created by the CZcams Hank Green and was the first web-series to win an Emmy.
"Look dowwwwnnn Javieerrrrrr... he's starving for some briskeeettttt"
Some random dude named Austin checking in.
The best adaptation is, hands down, the 1995 miniseries in terms of being faithful to the book. The 2005 film was visually beautiful, but the some of the characters were not faithful to the book at all. Pride and Prejudice and Zombies was silly. Fun in some places, but silly. And contrived.
The BBC miniseries is the best adaptation hands down.
Agree, the 2005 Charlotte is probably my biggest gripe. Although it has my favorite Mrs. Bennet and Mary. The other mark against it is how much Lizzie does this huff/smile in Every situation. The dance scene is iconic.
I’m always of the opinion that 2005 and 1995 are both perfect adaptations in two very different ways. 1995 is a perfect faithful adaptation, right down to having fantastic historically accurate regency costuming. But 2005 is an adaptation with an emphasis on just that, *adaptation*. It takes the spirit of the book and makes something new that’s rings with an emotional resonance.
The Darcy they give us is never my Darcy either! :) I loved this chat of yours gentlemen. Please do an Emma episode, the BBC mini series is a good adaptation.
2009 BBC Emma adaption is phenomenal
I couldn't agree more! In fact I was searching the comments hoping someone would mention it. :)
I’m very curious what Brandon would think of The Lizzie Bennett Diaries! It’s a CZcams adaptation that was made around 2012-2013ish I think? It really does a good job committing to adapting and making its own thing.
Also, as somebody who also enjoys talking about Pride and Prejudice adaptations, I have officially decided I need to watch Bride and Prejudice now.
Lizzie Bennet Diaries is my favourite adaptation of P&P. I grew up watching the 95 version but this is the one I enjoy the most.
I laughed so hard at this episode--really made my day. I love the discussions and jokes. I love that you guys like musicals and room temperature soda. Fun fact, I am one of your listeners who has never read any of your works. And--get this--I have worked at a bookstore now for 8.9 years! I also wrote some lyrics for your song:
Do you hear the brisket sing
Singing the song of hungry men
It is the music of a people who
Will not hunger again
When the basting of the meat
Echoes the roasting in the pan
There is a meal about to start
When tomorrow comes
I LOVED this episode! Random thoughts:
* I love the “Pink Pride & Prejudice” (as we call the Utah-local version in our house), it’s one of my comfort movies. “Bride & Prejudice” is probably my kids’ favorite of all the versions they’ve seen.
* I was a newlywed when the Keira Knightley version came out and my feelings about it are similar to Brandon’s. When “Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest” came out later, I was delighted to see Tom Hollander show up, as though Mr. Collins was on a quest to get his revenge on all Elizabeths played by Keira Knightley. XD
* P&P&Zombies, the book, is HILARIOUS about 90% of the time. (I haven’t seen the movie yet.) There’s a scene with Lizzie and her sisters riding in a carriage, where Lydia is blathering on and on and won’t shut up. I won’t spoil it, just know that it’s over-the-top perfection. It suffers in its interpretation of certain characters (Lady Catherine is fantastic, Mr. Bennett not so much), and a couple of moments where it tries to be too serious (though the zombie apocalypse remains unexplained!). Otherwise, I thought it was a top-notch parody. “Sense and Sensibility and Sea Monsters” was pretty good, too.
* I enjoyed the Emma miniseries with Romola Garai! I liked how it drew parallels between Emma, Frank Churchill and Jane Fairfax. I loved the Gwyneth Paltrow version, but Frank and Jane were pretty flat in that film. The newer Frank and Jane really felt like they were the heroes of a separate story that I didn’t get to see and wished I might have. The 2020 Emma film perfectly captured the awkwardness of actually BEING a member of the Regency upper-class. I LOVED getting to see the servants’ reactions to all the drama. XD
* Now I want some brisket!
Romola Garai made Emma palatable to more people than any of the Emmas I've seen. She was fantastic.
I listened to this on Google podcasts then came here to comment because this episode was gold. I was guffawing over the Les Mis brisket jokes and nodding in approval over the Pride and Prejudice commentary. For all who care, I think my ranking of the films would be:
Kiera Knightley version
Bride and Prejudice
BBC miniseries
"Mormon" P&P
And.... Zombies
I've seen the old black and white version but it's been a while so I can't really say where it falls, but I do remember those gone with the wind costumes! Thanks, as always, for the quality content! Looking forward to catching up on some more of the episodes I've missed the last few months. Oh, and let's not forget You've Got Mail (brilliant movie in its own right) gives a nod to Pride and Prejudice, not just because the book is mentioned but because it actually borrows from the plot.
THANK. YOU. Kiera Knightley version reigns SUPREME.
Bridget Jones’s Diary is a Pride and Prejudice adaptation
If you ever get a chance to read it, Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter is an excellent book with a slightly similar idea to pride and prejudice and zombies. But it spoofs the David McCullough history books perfectly, and is full of deadpan humor.
2009 bbc Emma with Jonny lee Miller is my favorite Jane Austin adaptation
Not my favorite Austin, but it is my favorite Emma. I think it has the most convincing romance.
The BBC miniseries P&P has an untranslatable Britishness to it that makes in the number 1 here in the UK. Jennifer Ehle's EXTREMELY subtle facial gestures are hilarious, charming, and heart-wrenching and her performance is so underrated.
I'm glad Dan is back to form with the food heists. It was shaky for a minute there.
Briskets is when you have several full pieces; according to all the Pitboss stuff my dad is into. Good job on your grammatical reasoning.
"Fully Austin themed episode" This is now my favorite channel.
Dan's new BBQ place, "The singing Brisket". Just remember, it's all in the sauce. So work on what your going to put on that meat or it will be a pit...a money pit. Lol
"Can you hear the brisket sing, singing the songs of angry beef...?"
LMAO big austin, Brandon you wit.
The Pride & Prejudice & Zombies book is exactly what Brandon wanted the movie to be. The author took Jane Austin’s original and added zombies. It is very well done and stays fairly true to the original plot.
Have you guys ever watched Sense and Sensibility? With Emma Thompson and Kate Winslet it's absolutely one of my all time favorites movies of all time
Yes this is hands down the best Austen adaptation.
Can’t argue with a favorite but the mini series is the definitive best by being such a good direct adaptation.
I AGREE WITH DAN!! 2005 P&P is my all time favorite JA adaptation and maybe favorite book to movie even!
I would offer a sponsor this podcast if I had the authority and knew how sponsors work.
I did not grow up on the 1995 mini series, so I just can't watch it. I did a couple times with roommates in college and I was supremely underwhelmed. It's nothing compared to Emma Thompson's Sense and Sensibility which I DID grow up with(and is my favorite Austen adaptation!). Then Kiera's version came out and it's just wonderful. Love that version!
i learned so much about storytelling from joe wrights commentary on the 2005 pride and prejudice, also there is so much art in the shots, i can't get over it
I literally just found (and re-read) my copy of Pride and Prejudice. I've never watched any of the adaptations. Totally down to listening to these two ramble about it though!
Whoa! My dad was just telling me about that brisket heist the other day because we live just a block away from the restaurant
In high school I wrote an essay about Pride and Prejudice in relation to Sophocles 😂
Finally an episode just for me!
I remember watching the 95 version as it aired, and we recorded off TV to VHS so we rewatched it amany times. It is of course my favorite, but I love Bride and Prejudice and it's nice to see it getting some love!
The tone is just so fun! It's colorful, the music is fun, and there are some super funny visual gags. Plus Anupam Kher is a great Mr. Bennett and 100% the actor I would want to portray my TV dad 😁
It is a crime against comedy that they did not once say “you gotta risk it for the brisket” it was right there
My favourite Pride and Prejudice themed/adaptation is ITV's Lost in Austen which contains the Bennetts, time travel in a fish out of water, Connecticut in King's Arthur's Court style mash.
Dear Dan, you are full of life and really living in the moment in this episode. I'm not sure if it's because of a drug you started using, but if it is, please keep using it :) It was a delight watching you both.
Dan, I fully endorse the room temperature Coke/soda/pop.
I was an extra in the 'throw the hymnal in sacrament' scene in the mormon version, but the focus on me was blurry in the final film because I was two rows behind the main character.
That feeling you got, that the cast was fit for a normal adaptation of Pride and Prejudice? That's exactly how I felt reading the book - the editing in of zombies was so clumsy and forced that every time it cut to those scenes, I found myself just wanting to read the original Pride and Prejudice, because that's where the interesting story was happening!
Thanks, Dan
love the kneira knightly one. i mean its the only adaptation that I've seen, but i rewatch it many times
Yeah, not loving the miniseries is pretty blasphemous, but I'll forgive it because I've been watching that once a year since I was five years old and I'm heavily, heavily biased. My favorite adaptation, though, is the 1995 Persuasion. It just nails the feeling of Anne as she's written in the book. It's so expressive while being completely restrained. The two leads convey so much emotion with just their eyes and subtle facial expressions. The cinematography, music, costumes, staging, everything is so smart and contributes to the feel of each scene. I love it.
I also liked the new Persuasion. It's fairly faithful to the major plot points and to characterizations, but the emotional content is pure 21st century. I thought all the humorous breaking of the fourth wall was quite fun.
And, dare I say it, finally something not in the MCU!! Wow. I have seen a couple of these adaptations!
I saw the title and am instantly invested...
Love the podcast Brando
Mansfield Park has 2 amazing adaptations
I know what I'm watching this evening...
The Keira Knightley version is my favorite version so far. And I might be alone in this but Matthew McFadden is my favorite Darcy. Looking forward to watching Bride & Prejudice.
My real name is Austin and I had a delightful experience getting summoned back from my mid-podcast zone-out lol
HAHA Came for BS and DW - Excited for P&P - and got surprise summary of Les Miserables HAHAHAHA within 5 mins hahaah "Can you hear the brisket sing" HAHAAHA
Lex Luther once stole 40 cakes
I AM SO EXCITED!!!!!!
Have either of you watched Lost in Austen? One of my favorite Pride and Prejudice adaptions.
bride and prejudice is a great movie!
ive been tempted to watch the kiera knightly one for a while just because i like her. after the high praise from you guys, ill have to give it a shot.
on a side note, i not wonder how many movies are based off classics. ive heard about lion king and 10 things i hate about you but had no idea about clueless
I really love the Second BBC series. It is one of my family's comfort series, that is we often go back to watch it. I still remember the day it really click with me, when I went from "this is a stupid thing for girls" to "this is actually hilarious." It was an important moment for the growth of my art appreciation.
Brandon Sanderson is an Austen-ite! This makes my heart happy:)
There is another mini series!!!! The 1980 one! The Darcy is horrible but Lizzy and mr. Bennet are fantastic in it. Needs more attention.
So glad to hear someone say this! I think it’s the second-best P&P adaptation.
I highly recommend the movie Austenland to your team. It's the story of a woman obsessed with Jane Austen and she goes to a multi day austen themed getaway retreat and of course shenanigans ensues.
The book is so much better.
The minute Brandon said that Bride and Prejudice was his favorite of the four, I stopped this video and rented and watched it. Then I came back so I could understand their comments better. So glad I did! I like how the adaptation modernized the themes to be about race. It was a perfect setting. The Keira Knightley version also updated the story to match our modern sensibilities. But my favorite will always be the 1995 miniseries. If "BBC" is at the beginning of a show, I'm probably going to like it. Yes, Dan, it's boring. Lots of talking and subtle looks. Boring, and wonderful! Colin Firth as Darcy forever!
If you are watching Emma, you should watch the Romola Garai version. A true contender for best Austen adaptation.
The 2005 Kiera Knightly version will always be the top of my list. I've visited the castle they used to film Pemberley in the 1995 version which was fun, but I absolutely am a sucker for the Wuthering Heights + Fabio. I also love the often underrated Mansfield Park adaptation.
Dan, thank you with brisket for doing homework for this!
Bride & Prejudice is pretty fun, but it's really too bad that it tends to be the one "bollywood" film people have seen (and as you pointed out is not even true bollywood). There are so many other bollywood films! I highly recommend Om Shanti Om, and Chennai Express for starting rom-com type films.
Some other good Bollywood/Kollywood (etc) films of various genres:
-RRR
-Dangal
-Baahubali (1 & 2)
-I
-Ghili
-Jodha Akbar
-Madharasapattinam
-Lagaan
-Thulladha Manamum Thullum
-Muthu
-Paheli
You saw Shah Ruhk Khan??? You're kidding! So cool :)
I am crossing my fingers for the eventual bollywood podcast episode. Hope people keep adding bollywood recs in the comments so I can watch more too :)
Sanderson is writing stormlight again and making Les Mis references. Maybe he's the sort of guy that can't go more than a day without making a Les Mis reference (I can go maybe three, though that number is likely to decrease considering my new job) But I'm going to read way more into this than necessary.
"Do you hear the briskets sing?"
The singing brisket will be the star of the cheap made for video animated sequel to the story, directed by Don Bluth.
I LOVE Northanger Abbey! It’s so funny! Around the time I was introduced to it I would fantasize people being so much more mysterious and interesting than they actually were. It’s one of the only ones I’ve read and seen of Jane Austen’s works (I know, a shame really). I love satire though, so that’s probably why.
I identify so much with Brandon's nerdy "fish vs fishes" explanation moment
Dan is the first person I've encountered in any media that likes soda at room temperature other than myself. I can handle it cold, but prefer it at room temp.
There are 2 kinds of people in this world: those who don’t read enough Jane Austen and those who read too much Jane Austen.
There is also by the creators of Lizzie Bennet Diaries, a CZcams web-series, Emma Approved, which is fairly good.
I’m totally in the 1995 mini series camp. My wife and I have watched it over and over through the years. I struggle with some of the character interpretations in the Keira Knightley version. Especially Mr. Bingley. He just didn’t seem to have much chemistry with anyone.
I haven’t seen the Bollywood inspired one. I think I may have to watch it now.
I desperately need you guys to go through and talk about all of the Kingsman movies. 🤞
If you ever do decide to make an Emma episode, The Romola Garai version of Emma is fantastic! It is four episodes, but it moves at a faster pace and has more obvious humor than the 1995 Pride and Prejudice (which is actually my favorite version of P&P). I like the Gwyneth Paltrow version as well, and the Anya Taylor Joy version highlighted vanity in a very interesting way, but the Romola Garai version really develops the characters, is pretty faithful to the plot, and makes it so fun.
If you have time for any more secret projects you should throw pride and prejudice into the Cosmere. Just a straight Sci-fi/Fantasy adaptation should only take you a weekend or two if this monkey pox thing takes off.
The BBC Sense and Sensibility and BBC Emma are wonderful! I recommend them highly!
Truly surprised (and sad) y'all didn't include Murder at Pemberly :(
Death Comes to Pemberley is incredible, but it was so sad that I haven't been able to watch it again. I think it sacrifices Austen's humor for realism - PD James had enough skill to make it work though.
I used to like Dan before I found out how he drinks his coke.
There’s also a 2009 miniseries of Emma that is really good! I think it’s only 2 parts.
2005 is visually GORGEOUS with a fantastic soundtrack.
1995 has perfect casting and story beats.
Bride and Prejudice has the best dance and beach scenes 😍
Lukewarm drinks are FANTASTIC. Cold drinks are mid to bad.
My fav is the Keira Knightley version, but Colin Firth in the pond will forever hold a special place in my heart, along with all the other ladies in my grade 10 English class I'd say 😂