Where did Moldova's first ruler come from?
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- čas přidán 12. 06. 2024
- Romania's history is as buried in murky mystery as it is interesting, and diverse. In this video, you will find out about Dragoș, Bogdan the Principality of Wallachia, Mongolian Invasions, the Kingdom of Hungary, and the wider Carparthian Pontic Steppe region as you uncover the origins of the Principality of Moldavia (from which Moldova gets its name) one of the 2 founding principalities of early Romania, and the Middle Ages.
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00:00 Beginning
01:42 Nomads & Vikings
05:59 Mongols
11:53 Dragoș
16:53 Bogdan
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Nice work Ben! As usual!
Thank you.
It must be mentioned that Principality of Moldavia is NOT modern day Republic of Moldova, which became independent after the colapse of the Soviet Union. Principality of Moldavia founded modern day Romania in 1859, and Alexandru Ioan Cuza, was a Moldavian boyar and the first prince of Romania. Thus, the Principality was **Romanian**
Yes, but the title would have confused it with the other video.
@@BenLlywelyn You should have been more careful in the beginning, but I understand it. Now I am at minute 5:10, and I am going to continue watching. However, there has been founded in Lviv in the year 1936 an icon of a Vlach ruler in the name of Ioannes that ruled the region between 1053-1155. The icon says that "Ioannes de Onads" was "Duke of Valachia" in that region. Very interesting..
@@BenLlywelyn Also, Wiliam of Rubruck wrote about the Vlachian Empire south of the danube river. Wiliam wrote that everything beyond the Danube is in the rule of the Tatars. But Wiliam makes the reference to "Blakia (Vlachia), que est terra Assani" and "Asan" was the Vlach brother in 1185 that founded the Vlachian Empire together with his brother Peter after the revolt of Vlachs in Tarnovo.
Edit: also at the reference of "Old-Romans", they didn't wrote "Romanians", they called us the "New-Romans".
@@InAeternumRomaMater As far as I understand, Old Romans were the Romans, while New Romans were the Romanians. But perhaps different authors had different concepts so it's difficult to find a naming consensus.
@@catalinmarius3985 You are totally right, but it is a difference in saying "Romanians" and "New-Romans"
Beautiful and interactive. Drone images are really magical. Me, as a Moldavian Romanian from Bacău county wants to congratulate you. Thanks! 👍
Multumesc pentru că.
Mulțumesc pentru că.
I must say i love your detailed work! Hope it will expand to more obscure topics and to more regions. Evenings with your videos are certainly better than regular ones.
Thank you for your support.
More videos to come.
I absolutely love your videos about Romania. Please continue to research such topics and share your findings with us.
Also, would love to hear in the future, where did your interest for Romania came from?
Languages. I like languages.
@@BenLlywelynSuper! Tolkien liked them too! 😉
@BenLlywelyn Great job Ben! How is your Romanian? your pronunciation of Romanian names is really good. Have you been to Romania?
Very good work Ben! Keep going!
Another great video Ben , cheers 🍻
Your voice, your presentation, are hypnotic. I believe your teaching may reach one at a subconscious level. Clear, step by step. Love it!
please continue making videos concerning Romania, Hungary, Poland;
please come to visit Romania
It would be nice to see those lands.
@@BenLlywelyn Would love to have you visit Romania and see the place for yourself. You've educated yourself about it and I am sure you will continue to do so; I assure you that it will still hold surprise for you once here and many that you would find interesting and enjoy. Like many countries in the general area, the "small guys" usually tend to have a very complex rich and interesting history, somewhat paradoxically because of the Great Powers of the time (can be applied to the present day) but since by comparison the size and location is small and far away they get overshadowed by said Great Powers. Not saying that this is good or bad, just how things tend to be; Most will know of Alexander the Great, or Caesar (as they very much should!), fewer will know of Stephan the Great, Michael the Brave, or the true Vlad III (and they should 🙂)
As I always like to put it when talking to foreigners about our history... It's real-life Game of Thrones here... (and the series, even in it's good seasons, pales the real events 😆)
If I may... as a interesting "peak" into our culture you can look at traditional songs and even military songs. Of course military songs and marches are fully patriotic in their nature, but I think that you will discern a certain mentality / "way of thought" / way of seeing the World and ourselves in them that I genuinely thing that it sill rings true. These would be my suggestions. I am Romanians, so, of course, there will be a natural and unavoidable bias here to some extent, but even with this in mind, I hope you will find these songs interesting and to the best of my ability I will try to be transparent about them.
- Cântă cucu-n Bucovina (The cuckoo sings in Bukovina) - Of popular origin - czcams.com/video/F1mTcijbXIE/video.html - Translation: lyricstranslate.com/en/c%C3%A2nt%C4%83-cucun-bucovina-cuckoo-singing-buk.html
- Dacâ am plecat Ardealule din tine (If we left from you, Transylvania) - Of popular origin - czcams.com/video/IK-zky_fMMo/video.html
Translation: lyricstranslate.com/ru/ardealul-transylvania.html
- Tu, Ardeal (You, Transylvania) - Of popular origin - czcams.com/video/Dva6BDriqvU/video.html
Translation: lyricstranslate.com/en/tu-ardeal-you-ardeal.html
- Marșul lui Iancu (Iancu's March) - Military march/song of the Romanian Armed Forces - czcams.com/video/z8MBthR7Kzw/video.html
Translation: enciclopediaromaniei.ro/wiki/Mar%C5%9Ful_lui_Iancu (You should see the option to translate the site to English, it will also give a good-enough translation to the lyrics. The ideas are well translated, there are just some unavoidable grammar mistakes with automated translation and the occasional odd word...)
- Cea din urmă noapte a lui Mihai Viteazul (The last night of Michael the Brave) - Military march/song of the Romanian Armed Forces - czcams.com/video/KvCqS019YGU/video.html
- Treceți Batalioane Roâne Carpații! (Romanian Battalions, cross the Carpathians!) - Military march of the Romanian Armed Forces - czcams.com/video/HoqKq5yUrOM/video.html Translation included.
With this one, I want to say that it has a significant popular significance as well. Its one of the most well known patriotic song by almost any Romanian. Personally, this song is extremely dear to me. My mother used to sing this to me as a child (long story short, health issues she was afraid I would not be able to talk so she sang to me recited poems, read to me... all that I would talk... I did, and now I don't shut the F up... XD Joke aside... as said, very dear to me, always remind me of my mother and childhood and it is, I think, one of the main reasons that today I am very much interested in history, national and European.
And of course... one of the most significant song... the National Anthem of Romania (translation included): czcams.com/video/zTwgwEHiWm0/video.html
One last thing I would like to suggest is this poem, by Tudor Arghezi, called "Testament" - facebook.com/499895673384396/posts/testament-tudor-arghezi-translated-by-daniel-ionitai-wont-leave-much-to-you-beyo/4118893114817949/ (Hope the link works, it has both the original and the English translation)
There are literally hundreds of songs and literary works I can point you towards and some more significant than these, but, the ones I linked here are my personal favorites and I recommend them with all my heart. I hope they will help you to see more of what it means to be Romanian to many of us, with the good and the bad... A feeling that you can't properly explain in words for any nation or Peoples, you have to actually feel it and live it. This is the best I can think of to transmit it in any way at the moment...
You seem very much interested in linguistics and culture, so I'll leave this here for you to translate (I am sure you'll be able to) as a little fun and friendly treat:
Numai bine! An Nou fericit si mergi mai departe cu munca pe care o faci! E o placere sa te urmaresc.
And I do apologize for the very long post and for having you basically read a mini-essay... XD
Sincerely, all the best!
I really enjoy to watch your videos.
They are well documented and easy to watch and listen 😊🙂
Kind, thank you.
You have just not understood it yet you have founded a new science - the science of the morphologies of archaeolinguistics (good job) wow and a happy new to y'all 🤩🤩🤩🤩
I believe his study of cultures at Cambridge really shows off in his professionalism.
you mean his study of Cambridge professors (just jokein' around) 🙄🙄🙄@@catalinmarius3985
Now that's a decent piece of history. Subscribed
Thank you.
Love to see my region of Maramures in this video
instant like ! RoMania 😄
Multumesc.
Greetings. How do you do. Thank you very much for sharing all these history. Highly appreciated.
I am well thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
I enjoy your delivery style.
I enjoy your watching.
Interesting concept.
According to Niketas Choniates's chronicle, "the Vlachs, who had heard rumors"of the escape of Andronikos Komnenus (a rebellious cousin of the Byzantine Emperor Manuel I), captured him in 1164 at the borders of Halych.Choniates reported that Vlachs, Slavs and Cumans also inhabited the lands between the Carpathians and the Lower Danube
Don't forget that he also reported the foundation of the Empire by the Vlachs in theme of Paristrion
@@InAeternumRomaMater Yes. Empire of Vlachs and Bulgars or Bulgars and Vlachs in as a result of the successful rebellion against Byzantium in 1185...
The context
At the borders of Halych means somehwere north in region of today's Marureș or Bukovina or southern Ukraine (Ruthenia Carpathia/Transcarpathia/Zakarpathia)
Which is interesting because indeed there were found Viking aetefacts ( like the helmet found in the river Siret) in Northern Romania - the early Rus lule the Prince of Halych were still pretty much in clise contact with their Skandinavien relatives.........
@@corpi8784 or just north of the Danube. Halych streched south near the Danube.
@@nefiltrat6934 AFAIK the sputhern borders of Halych were roughly somewhere along the lines of Buceag/northern Dobrudja/ Moldova/,Basarabia, Bucovina /Siret river /Zakarpathia
I am an ethnically Polish/Hungarian (although considering myself Romanian), born in the city of Baia-Mare in the region of Maramures. In my personal opinion given the many uncertainties surrounding this subject, I would say the following: Romanian language (better saying early Romanian or Dacian) is a sister language of Latin language, not daughter language, both Romanian and Latin being indo-european. The Romanians have their origins in the Maramures region. The Vlachs and the Moldovians, which are Romanian speaking are actually from Maramures. This is the epicentre of Romanian civilisation and culture. Maramures people being the free dacians. Saying that the Maramures was sparsely populated region I don't think it's quite accurate. If you've ever been to Maramures, there is a very old, rich and deep culture, more so than anywhere else in Romania. In conclusion, I would recommended you to visit Maramures (a land outside of time) and experience the region and it's amazing people and culture, and then I think that is a testament of the roots of Romanians. I mean, you cannot find anywhere else in Romania, this deep rooted and rich culture. Almost everything else in Romania is mixed with either turkish, hungarian, serbian, greek, macedonian, etc. But in Maramures, you do not feel any mix, you feel the raw traditional, immovable, unaltered, dacian free spirit.
It would be a pleasure if I ever have the opportunity, time and money to visit the Maramures area.
Most are stuck in the concept of Roman Dacia and the Aurelian withdrawal but simply forget that by late 2nd century Lingua Franca in the Costoboc kingdom above the north Carpathians was Latin and the Dacian royalties used to reside in Rome, like would speak English and reside in London today. So was the case for centuries with all the Gothic and Germanic kingdoms around. There were free Dacians beyond Roman Dacia but they were also buffer zones conquered and shifted by the Romans at will. And if accept that the Romanians of Maramures are of Dacian origin, probably speaking a related language but slightly Latinized then also acknowledge that the east Carpathians were also populated by free Dacians and Getae tribes, since ancient times. They were also in permanent contact with Romans and Latin for 600 years.. This time the spread of Roman culture goes north far beyond the Moldovan lands. The free Dacians and Getae firstly fought against the Romans then they worked as Foederati for the Romans, then large chunks of them were shifted inside the Roman empire and became Romans or around it.
Latin derived words in Romanian do not exceed 30% but the Romanian vocabulary is Latin related at more than 80%. Certainly the Dacian or Getae language was an Indo European language of a peculiar type and looking into other related language can safely assume that a significant part of Romanian could have been inherited from this language. The problem is having a cognate resonance with Latin, even though evolved differently from assumingly west Romance, is considered to be of Latin origin. Assumed, because no one can be certain about it, or if the Latin-Greeko-Albanian- Balto-Slavic connection could have been in fact a certain Paleo Balkan connection, of probably Pelaic, Getae origin.
@@BenLlywelyn opportunity - I would be glad to receive you some day, preferably a more warm time of the year, and you would also meet my pleasure of having a talk with you
money - you don't need much
time - that is indeed more tricky, but manageable I believe (the art of small steps)
Another strong argument towards a large Geto Dacian element at east Carpathians are the genetics on Visigoths, mostly not Germanics of Scandinavia but Carpathian genes. A small ruling elite taking over Dacian tribes and moving along all the way to Iberia. No wonder why the Visigoth kings called themselves Rex Godhorum Dacorum Getorum or Alfonso el Sabio considered his ancestors to be the Getae of Burebista and Deceneu. No wonder why the first text in Spanish was Nodicia de kesos, written by the 'pastores' monks at a monastery near Leon.
@@Sofia-0001 Visigoths in Spain just a lie. Those are the Vangars, but they werent christians, so the spaniards imagined the visigoths to iberia, to justify the deportation of the aboriginals.
A voyvode is a military ruler, the leaders called themselves domn ("dominus") and voyvode (military leader)
Voievod este din slavona.
@@ciupilan1000 da, iar domn din latină.
Voyvode is a military leader only in Slavic countries. Romanians borrowed the word but gave it a broader meaning: a monarch.
The title comprised both terms, meaning he was the dominus AND the military leader. Why else would they mention both terms?
very interesting reviews in more strange countries but full of historical substance and just as cool is the unique and funny type of presentation and it deserves all our encouragement! 💯🫶👏👍
Cheers.
Congratulations, this is an excellent summary. I am curious, what are the contemporaneous sources for a northward migration of Vlachs from what was to become the Serbian empire south of the Danube?
Not much contemporary. It is more of a case of this is when they began appearing in sources where they had not appeared before. Hungarians mention them more, as do Byzantines. Before this time not much. We have to guess.
@@BenLlywelyn at the end of the 12th century French crusaders describe what they called White Wallachia stretching between the Danube and the Balkan mountains.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Wallachia
These Vlachs played a key role in the founding of the Second Bulgarian Empire, also known as the Bulgaro-Vlach empire. Their first emperors were Vlachs. Interestingly during the 13th century while within the Bulgarian empire the Vlachs are mentioned less and less, they start to be mentioned north of the Danube - in Transylvania.
Linguistically the Slavic influence on Romanian is much more Bulgarian than Serbian.Nevertheless in the 13th, 14th and 15th centuries Serbian, Croat, Bosnian, and Ottoman contemporaneous sources frequently mention Vlachs in their lands. Modern Serbian historians claim these Vlachs were actually Serbs because their names were Slavic.
Stați liniștit că flăcăul ăsta are în repertoriu toate retorica dușmanilor românilor. Asta ungurească, precum că vlahii au migrat de la sud de Dunăre e doar un mic aspect pe care îl menționează prin filmulețele lui. În altul leagă cu brio interesul pentru daci cu antisemitismul. Și câte și mai câte trăsnăi spune gagiul despre istoria românilor, nici nu stau să le mai enumăr..
Nikola Tesla was vlach- istro-romanian, Nicolae Teslea real name. Teslea is a tool for lumberjacks.
Nikola Tesla’s distant ancestors may have been Vlach. He considered himself a Serb born in Croatia.
Dam man you keep making vids on my reading list and areas intrests
What else is on your reading list?
@@BenLlywelyn magyar and rus
Thank You! ❤
You're welcome 😊
Thanks!
Appreciated. Thank you very much!
Vlachs have went as far as Czech and Slovak regions.
And in Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania and Greece. Though the Romans ruled those land before majority of those people even lived in the Balkans
Did not go, they were there since Dacian and Roman times.
@@Sofia-0001 Don't come here with the Dacopathic ideology rooted in the communism and fascism. The truth is, they migrated there as cătuni. Imperator Caesar Nerva Traianus Divi Nervae filius Augustus Optimus Princeps evaporated the two main Dacian tribes, that being Daci Magni and Getae, while three remained and later absorbed in the Goths, Gepids and Huns. We were in the Balkans since the Romans, which name we still bear as _Român_
@@InAeternumRomaMater Don't confuse Dacopathy with Dacology and I assure you that I am a lot more into Getae and Pelasgs than into later short lived Dacians. Dacians being just a later name and just some of them. It is well documented and proven by archeology that since late Bronze age and early east Hallstatt Pannonia and west Carpathians were a Thracian culture expand. Then Iron age Gava culture of east Hallstatt was the cradle of Dacian culture in east Pannonia and Transylvania, so to affirm that there were Dacians up to mid Danube in Pannonia and on the west Carpathians since Iron age is a well documented fact. The fact that in Pannonia were assimilated or simply under the Celtic boii elite during La Tene expand and later on either expelled from between the Tisa and Danube or integrated by the Yaziges is also a well documented fact. In the west Carpathians and Pannonia Roman cultures persist until early 5 century Then the Romanized population is attested to have remained in their place at Huns arrival and later on. Given that I have strong reasons to believe that as Getae and Pelaic people existed much earlier than being known as Dacians or Thracians.
@@Sofia-0001 Failed to present those "archaeological proof and very well written documents". We all know Dacians weren't at all what you said. And dacology=dacopathy, same thing, same lies
A Great Thank You for your extraordinary work explaining our Nation's ethnogenesis!
Fascinating as always! Thank you for making this video! One fascinating similarity is that in Turkic documents, Moldavia was mentioned as "Kara-Boğdan" or "Black Bogdan", which is strikingly with "Black Radu", the legendary founder of Wallachia who may have been Basarab I or a different person.
You are welcome.
It was called multiple different things. We must also point out that Moldavia in itself was referred on multiple occasions as "Valachia", and rulers also referred to it as "Moldovalahia".
Excelent video! Thank you sir!
Very educational Mr. Llywelyn
Hey ben in your opinion which theory do you believe in the immigration theory or the migration theory or is a mixture of the two ?
Mixture.
Oh and btw; about the Blakumen;
Chorographia Transylvaniae, Que Dacia Olim Appellata by Georg von Reichersdorff (1550):
'The Valachians also inhabit this land, but they live partially and uncertainly. The Teutons or Saxons, however, have well-fortified towns and citadels, which outmatch all other nations in all respects. Indeed, by its very nature, the land is extremely rich in everything that pertains to life, such as gold, silver, wine, grains, pastures, livestock, springs, rivers, in brief, all resources essential for life, hence it's not without reason that the treasury of the Kingdom of Hungary is called Transylvania.
Moreover, the province of Wallachia, known by another name, Transalpina, approaches the boundaries of Lower Transylvania, stretching along the Danube to the Black Sea. It extends towards the north, inhabited by the Roxolani (called Ruthenians today), bordering the Moldavian province.
The language of this nation shows it to be of Latin origin, and some of their names are alike. They have also derived their province, which they inhabit, from a certain Roman named Flaccus. A colony was established by him to guard against the Dacians, who, according to tradition, are never faithful or kindly disposed to the Romans. Over a long period of time, which nothing can vitiate, Flaccia has been called Wallachia, and the inhabitants Flaccians or Wallachians. And here, some verses about Flaccus from Naso's epistles are quoted, Book 4:
"Here Flaccus, with the Ripan fertile lands, was safely under the leadership of Istros. Thus, he held the fierce Moesi tribes in faithful peace; with his bow, he terrified the Getae with his sword."
It is widely accepted today that the Moesi, who were once, are now Wallachians, despite the great diversity of opinions, especially among the historians who were discussing this matter. Among them, Ptolemy, the chief among geographers and, as they say, the first, grants nothing to the Moesi which does not belong to the Wallachian part. For he begins from the Carpathian Mountains, whatever land lies from the West to the Danube, from the Tisza river in the South, and from the Sarmatian Europe in the North, bearing the name of Dacia. According to this description, it encompasses Transylvanians, Cicles, Wallachians, and those whom Moldavians call Hungarians, whom we've recently mentioned. There still exist remnants of that bridge until today on the Serbian side of the Danube'.
Flaccus reffers to Lucius Pomponius Flaccus the brother of Ovid’s friend Gaius Pomponius Graecinus. He served in Moesia c.12AD and again as governor in 18 or 19AD. He was subsequently Governor of Syria in AD32 (Tacitus Annales 6.27). He was an energetic soldier, close to emperor Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus.
Naso's epistles, Book 4 = Ovid's: Poems from Exile, book IV.
ПСРЛ Том 22 Русский хронограф Часть 2 Хронограф западно-русской редакции 1914, page 234-235:
'About Wallachia[Волоеъхъ/Voloekh].
Volosskaya[Волосская] has always been home to various peoples, just like Ugria[Угрове/Ugrove]. The Vlachs[Волохи/Volökhi], newcomers from Vloskie[Влоские], migrated to this far away land, where they reside to this day, as Silvius writes. During the reign of Emperor Trajan, when the Dacians[Даки] or Goths[Готи] were not obedient to the Romans, the Romans sent 30 thousand black-skinned people led by Flacus[Флакусомъ/Flakusomŭ] to settle there, cultivate the land, and prepare supplies for the Roman soldiers, who were always stationed there for the Sarmatians[Сарматовъ/Sarmatovŭ] and Tatars[Татаръ/Tatarŭ]. They drove out the Getae[Геты/Gety.] and Dacians[Даки/Daki] and themselves stayed/remained there, and from Flacus, they were named Vlachs[Влахи/Vlakhi].
(The) Greeks write, (the) Vlachs[Валаши/Valashi] into Vlachia[Влохъ/Vlok'h] migrated like this: There was a custom in Rome, and even today it exists, criminals who (they) did not execute, but sent (them) beyond the sea, and many were sent there, where Perekop[Перекопъ] (is), there even Ovid was sent, the greatest poet--, for various enemies and disputes against Parthians[Парты], Tatary[Татары], Sarmati[Сарматы] as about it (he) writes himself. Regarding Ovidius, those who are of such a kind of race, fear neither death nor Roman authority. When those criminals were sent (in) a large number they grazed Roman herds and provisions, they built a bridge on the Danube, the river Dniester[Днꙏстръ] to a different place rerouted and performed other deeds. When they multiplied, they chose their own leader, Getae[Гетасъ], Dacians[Дакосъ] and other people from amongst themselves (they) drove out, and on their own established themselves on the other side of the Danube[Дунаємꙏ/Dunaemya], having even to this day customs and (the) Vlach[Влосску/Vlossku] language, barely anything having abandoned.
Today, however, they are divided and renamed: some (are called) Dragule[Драгуле], others Bessarabians[Бессераби/Bessarabi], others Multanians[Мултаны/Multany]; Hungarians[Угры/Ugry] call them Cumans[Куми/Kumi]. A part of them ruled by the Hungarian[Угорскiй/Ugorskii] king, which belonged to the land of Semigrad[Семиградской/Semigradskoy], the other part is held by the Turks in the lower lands, known as Mulatany[Мултаны] and continue to Kelep[Келеп] and to BBlagorod[ББлагорода/BBlagoroda] and even up to the Pontic Sea[моря Понтьского/morya Pontskogo] where the Danube flows into it . Three parts are mountainous which are ruled by a Voivode and there are Sochava[Сочава], Sroka[Срока], Khotlny[Хотлнъ], and many other towns. Bessarabians are also called Bassernove, and they graze goats in the mountains. - "But both from Rus[Руси]*Ukrainians and Polish people[Поговцовъ/Pogovtsy], they never had peace until they were baptized/Christianized'.
So Flaccus was sent on the Danube with 30,000 black men (probably from the North African provinces or Egypt) to protect the Moesi from the Getae and in the process they settled across the Danube from which the name of Wallachia is said to have been derrived; Vlachia from Flaccia. What's super interesting about this is that Blakumen was also interpreted to mean 'black men', and then based on this;
"The word black comes from Old English blæc ("black, dark", also, "ink"), from Proto-Germanic *blakkaz ("burned"), from Proto-Indo-European *bhleg- ("to burn, gleam, shine, flash"), from base *bhel- ("to shine"), related to Old Saxon blak ("ink"), Old High German blach ("black"), Old Norse blakkr ("dark"), Dutch blaken ("to burn"), and Swedish bläck ("ink").
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Old High German also had two words for black: swartz for dull black and blach for a luminous black. These are parallelled in Middle English by the terms swart for dull black and blaek for luminous black. Swart still survives as the word swarthy, while blaek became the modern English black.[10] The former is cognate with the words used for black in most modern Germanic languages aside from English (German: schwarz, Dutch: zwart, Swedish: svart, Danish: sort, Icelandic: svartr).[12] In heraldry, the word used for the black color is sable,[13] named for the black fur of the sable, an animal." [Black - wikipedia]
we could also argue for the etymology of Blachia which is one of the other names used for Vlachia (and Blachs instead of Vlachs) to have been originally derived from Flaccus and his 30,000 black men. Although of course; these events were pre-Roman conquest and current day Romanians aren't exactly black skinned but in some parts of Oltenia they are in fact known to have darker skin tones than in the rest of Romania.
There are some things I dirn't know.
But you stired my curiosity.
Is so strange and interesting that a Welsh person is talking about our country's history.
But tou made these videos interesting. Thank you alot !!
And congrats for this content.
Thank you.
Nice work. One confusion. The Orox was not looking like a regular cow. Was what we call a Zimbru. Was lost for centuries and now there is a reservation. Imported from poland where it has survived. The Zimbru can be quite a dangerous animal if confronted directly. Legend says Dragos almost lost his life in the hunt. Search for Zimbru in the internet, you will find a herbivore, but a different kind of beast.
Greșești! Omul vorbește clar despre bour care a fost extinct și nu despre zimbru...
Este o difetenta intre "bour" si "zimbru". PE steagul Moldovei este bourul - adica Aurochul
Not true.The animal Dragoș killed or not was a bour,not a zimbru.Bigger and furier and skarier..
The translation of Zimbru in english is Aurochs. Which seems to be the same with Orox in phonetic. I guess @Ben is right. Probably the picture is wrong. I always thought Zimbru and Bour are the same animal, similar with the American Buffalo. If something else, show me the picture. Zimbru=Orox=Aurochs.
@@nistb2123 The translation of bour in English is also Aurochs. It wa a Bour on Moldova's coat of arms - the head is easily distinguishable from Zimbru from the shape of the horns.
It is interesting that you talk so much about Romania and the Romanian people. I don't think it's a coincidence.
In religious terms, this is the holy land.
In real terms, here is the country with certain very special energy centers plus the earth's heart chakra.
I hope to make more videos about Romania.
14:20 Dragoș crossed the mountains not into Moldova, but into that part of Wallachia which soon shall be re-baptised ”Moldova”.
Then, the aurochs head on Moldova's coat of arms is only in legend from that "initial hunting party". In reality, the autochs was already on the coat of arms of Maramureș; and since the Maramureș voyvods took possessions and moved across the mountains, the coat of arms followed suit.
Interesting about the coat of arms.
What nation would Dragos have been? Ludovic 1, his king says he was a Vlach. In a document dated March 20, 160, it says that Dragos, "Dragu [Dragoș] filli Gyulae, fidelis Olahi nostri de Maramarusio" defeated a rebellion. Until Bogdan, there were Vlachs led by Vlachs in Maramures
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Nations in the 14th century had little relation to how we view what a nation is today.
Yes. However, the term was used in the next century, but still have another meaning. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unio_Trium_Nationum
Indeed, back then, the nations were much more clearly delimited. The locals would have had a clear idea, based on a collective memory and experience spanning many centuries, about who all those barbaric newcomers were.@@BenLlywelyn
I wonder where the Vlachs/Romanians were before Hungarians invited in Vlachs to settle? Were there any north of the Danube, or had Aurelian evacuated them all in 271? Modern-day Yugoslavia used to be Roman Illyricum and was Latin speaking (except perhaps some whose descendents spoke Albanian in remote areas) before the Slavs came.
There were many different Vlachs is my thinking. That these were communities which had been Latinised with various substrates across the Balkans.
The Magyars didn't invite the Vlachs to settle, they have already encountered them during their invasion of the Pannonian Basin. And yes, several sources confirm the presence of Vlachs both South and North of the Danube river, and they are consistent with description of said vlachs ( Byzantines described vlachs as being untrustworthy for example ). You can read Gesta Hungarorum and see the encounter of Magyars with Vlachs.
Question:what is your opinion on the theory that Romanian have always been there since the roman conquerest of dacia?
Who is Romanian?
@@BenLlywelyn someone who speaks Romanian and has large romanian ancestry I think
Hi Ben, I am from Maramures and, unlike you, I do not pretend that I know the historical truth related to inhabitants of that region in the old times. That being said, I do welcome any opinion that is based on facts, not speculations. Is there any historical document related to Charles bringing in vlachs to populate Maramures or where they were brought from? What Charles did was simply to recognize the right of people to own the land they already lived on, as it was the norm in those times by any incoming ruler. The same thing that Austrians did later. One cannot control what did not belong to him in the first place. It was simply recognition and protection as it was practiced everywhere else in Europe. Not even communists where able to take their land to be included in “cooperatives”as they did in the southern and eastern Romania. Please live aside any air of superiority that characterizes Brits in general, go visit the land, learn their language, their traditions and customs, then pretend that you know something about their history.
Not Charles, but Ladislaus IV. "the cuman" brought "rumun" warriors from the Balkan peninsula, and gave them land and nobility in Maramures, Fagaras and Hátszeg. They were noble warriors, like the székelys. They lose their privilegies in 1360 because of their orthodox religion. Who converted to catolicis, became part of hungarian nobility.
I make videos.
@@BenLlywelynNot only videos, you express an opinion and educate others in a public space. As such you have an obligation to back everything you say regarding history with facts and documents. Or just refrain from opinion where no proof exists. I like your videos and hope you will continue making them, as the opinion of an “outsider” is usually more objective. Just be a bit more careful, that’s all.
Don't worry about their voluntary mistakes; the more they lie, the shinier the truth. All three Romanian principalities have their origin in Transylvania. It is only natural to understand where all Romanians have survived during the 900-year expeditions of martial, nomadic, and barbarian hordes that came over the local people of Europe
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And then there the case of the catolic Diocese for Cumania on the
banks of the river Milcov
In 1227 Milcov became the seat of the Diocese of Cumania, a Roman Catholic bishopric which served the Cumans and the Teutonic Knights in the Burzenland. The diocese was destroyed during the Mongol invasion of Europe in 1241.
The Mongols liked fire.
The pope's next letter, written on 14 November 1234, stated that there were "certain people within the Cuman bishopric named 'Walati'" (Vlachs).
The Vlachs did not receive their sacraments from the Catholic bishop, but "from some pseudo-bishops of the Greek rite". According to the pope, the Vlachs persuaded "Hungarians, Saxons and other Catholics" who had settled in Cumania to join the Orthodox church.
Moldova is also popular called Moldavia.
'Oastea Moldava' - moldavian army; 'ficiorii moldavi' - the moldavian lads, 'poporul moldav' - moldavian people, 'doamna moldava' - moldavian lady, etc.
We also have to take in consideration the sufix 'DAVA' which along with 'deva' was the name for fortress in dacian.
Petrodava, Cornidava, Carsidava, Zargidava, Clepidava, Polondava etc. - this are some examples of dacian fortresses located on the medieval Moldavian territory.
There's been couple of speculations around the etimology of the name Moldova, the story of the hunting bitch Moldova, Stephans favorite dog and few other ones, but when you see all thiss dacian/thracian fortresses from S Poland down to N Greece ending in DAVA/DEVA you can't just ignore them for the sake of a romantic story...
Moldavia o folosesc rușii, nu mai aiuri cu prostii din astea, numele e Moldova! Poate a fost Moldavia, dar acum e Moldova! Și poporul este moldovean. Nu ne mai băgați pe gât propaganda rusă! Mulțumesc și o zi bună.
Moldova este denumire slavă... incetati cu dacopatia.
@@Max4ampioncică nu îți place propaganda rusa dar pomenești de popor "moldovean". Asta în care nu ai vrut sa spui popor român mai implicit.
@@Aldoma-up8od aceleași nonsensuri tipice de trol.
@@Aldoma-up8od nici moldovenii de azi (basarabenii) nu sunt națiune, ci un experiment sinistru.
Are the gaulani mention by i think emperor john tismisky welsh or romanian warriors that were part of the varagianguard ??????
Gaulani are Indian?
@@BenLlywelynill check the again as im sure ive missspelled it.
@@BenLlywelynthe army sent to italy in 1009 the army had dani =danes rozzi =rus and gualani = maybe welsh or vlachs . (Leo of ostria chronicon monasterii cassinensis,555 ff)
@@BenLlywelyngot the ref wrong sorri 😂
Great video, I didn't even knew about some of these sources but I'm going to add something still.
Anonymi Descriptio Europae Orientalis:
"It should be noted here that between Macedonia and Achaia and in Thessalonica there is a certain great people and spacious who are called Blazi [Vlachs], who once were Romans shepherds, and in Hungary, where the pastures of the Romans were, because the excessive greenness and fertility of the earth were abiding. But at length expelled from thence by the Ufigari [Hungarians], they fled to those parts; ... "
These events are related to the late 9th century as recorded and corroborated by Nestor's chronicle and Vlachia (Thessally) appears in Byzantine documents from the 10th century onward only.
And here’s something that I find very relevant about this;
"If we go through our book of laws, often we encounter the expressions 'Census Valachorum' and 'vigesi ma ovium' (sheep related tax). Translators render 'Census Valachorum' always as 'Oláhadó' (the Romanian’s tax). But this translation - the author argues - is incorrect because, if it were true that the word 'Vlah' means 'Oláh' (= Romanian), then we reach to the strange conclusion that in the entire Northern Hungary up to Bohemia, then in the area beyond the Danube in the counties of Sopron, Vas, Veszprem, etc., Romanians lived." [1915, vol. II Rajzok a török világból (Sketches/ Drawings from the Turkish world) by Takáts Sándor]
But of course; the author being Hungarian very predictably goes on to attempt to subvert this historic reality (or maybe it's just a classic case of believing one's own propaganda i.e. no Vlachs north of the Danube until the 13th century) by following up with the explanation that ‘not all Vlachs are Romanians’ which is in fact true but in this case it’s being used to subvert the historical fact that a part of the Romanian’s ancestors lived in Pannonia before the arrival of the Magyar conquerors from Bashkiria and that a number of them were left behind.
And here's what the Hungarian chronicles of the 13th century recorded (Gesta Hungarorum):
"For they said that there flowed the most noble spring waters, the Danube and Tisza [Tyscia] and other most noble springs, abounding in good fish, in which land there lived the Slavs [Sclavii], Bulgarians [Bulgarii] and Vlachs [Blachii], and the shepherds of the Romans [pastores Romanorum]. For after the death of King Attila, the Romans said the land of Pannonia was patureland because their flocks grazed in the land of Pannonia. And rightly is the land of Pannonia said to be the pastureland of the Romans, for now too [in the 13th century] the Romans graze on the goods of Hungary. What else?"
So the Vlachs were present during the Magyar conquest, they were still in Pannonia/Hungary during the 13th century, and they were still there during the Ottoman period as Takáts Sándor points out. And the ones that later migrated were partially descended from the ones that were expelled during the late 9th century conquest when the Bashkurts/ Bashkirs (Magyars) took over the Carpathian basin.
And btw; the word Bozgor which Romanians sometimes use to refer to the Hungarians comes from Old Romanian via the Wallachian Bassarab Cumans (from Bozgurt which is the same as Bashkurt).
Meanwhile according to iGENEA, the structure of the ancient peoples in Romania, based on Y-DNA test results, is the following:
29% Slavic
21% Finno-Ugric
20% Teutonic (Germanic)
18% Celtic and
12% Illyrian
If anyone wants to argue that the Daco-Roman theory is disingenuous they should also consider that the ones who are against it are just as disingenuous; attempting to pit everything on the Illyrian component ignoring that the Slavic figure might contain Sarmatian related elements, that the Finno-Ugric figure might contain Scythian related elements (the Dacians having been a mixed Thracian-Scythian race), that the Germanic figure might contain Gothic and Bastarnae elements, that the Celtic figure might contain again Bastarnae; which were Germano-Celtic, or Anartes as well a number of other Celtic elements such as the Scordisci and others related to the 4th century BC Gallic migrations that culminated with the invasion of Greece in 279 BC.
So the Hungarian propaganda is two fold; on one hand they're claiming to be Attila's Huns, when we know full well they were Bashkirs and not Attila's Huns; to give themselves a more ancient claim to the territories etc. and on the other hand they're constantly trying to diminish our heritage, ancestry and history as with the example above.
And data on the censuses in Transylvania released by Austria also shows that the Romanians were the majority population in Transylvania since 1310 AD uninterrupted (or at least that's the earliest known census).
Thank you for your kind contribution. As for the Vlachs north and south of the Danube. My impression is that those north of it and north of the Carpathians were very scattered and few but there were some. And that a migration took place, a resettlement in to upper Transylvania and then Moldavia from the north. As for the Gesta Hungorum - just because that is what they thought in the 13th century does not imply that is what they think now. Our educations and knowledges have advanced greatly, and the Huns to them would have been as far back in time to them as Basarab is to us. They could not have known and they would know their origins were different to others around them, and they would seek an answer and naturally, wish to defend their landlocked kingdom from others on all sides.
@@BenLlywelyn > As for the Vlachs north and south of the Danube. My impression is that those north of it and north of the Carpathians were very scattered and few but there were some. And that a migration took place, a resettlement in to upper Transylvania and then Moldavia from the north.
I really like how Encyclopedia Britannica describes it; "The Roman element was uprooted from its fixed seats, and swept hither and thither by the barbarian flood".
As far as I can tell the equation is split between the Pannonian Vlachs, the Moesian Vlachs and the Roman leftover population in Scythia Minor since the province still existed until around 679-681 when the Bulgars took it and in the 8th century Bulgaria had Emperors like Sabinus and Paganus which bore Latin names then later there's the whole "Empire of Vlachs and Bulgarians" thing but I just wanted to bring attention to the Pannonian Vlachs for the most part since it's a less known fact and they're often overlooked.
The full passage from 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica/ Vlachs:
"What had occurred in Trajan's Dacia in the 3rd century was consummated in the 6th and 7th throughout the greater part of the South-Illyrian provinces, and the Slavonic and Avar conquests severed the official connexion with eastern Rome. The Roman element was uprooted from its fixed seats, and swept hither and thither by the barbarian flood. Nomadism became an essential of independent existence, while large masses of homeless provincials were dragged as captives in the train of their conquerors, to be distributed in servile colonies. They were thus in many cases transported by barbarian chiefs-Slav, Avar and Bulgarian-to trans-Danubian and Pannonian regions. In the Acts of St Demetrius of Thessalonica (d. A.D. 306) we find an account of such a Roman colony, which, having been carried away from South-Illyrian cities by the Avar khagan (prince), and settled by him in the Sirmian district beyond the Save, revolted after seventy years of captivity, made their way once more across the Balkan passes, and finally settled as an independent community in the country inland from Salonica. Others, no doubt, thus transported northwards never returned".
@@BenLlywelyn Also; so you can understand the significance of the Pannonian Vlachs better let's take the following as an example;
"By them the Emperor was engulfed in an immense sea of worries, for he had long grasped the fact that the Franks were dreaming of the Roman Empire; and he saw their multitude exceeding the sand and the stars in number, and then looked at the Roman forces which did not equal a fraction of theirs, even if they could all be concentrated on one spot. But on the contrary most of them were dispersed, for some were keeping guard in the valleys of Serbia and in Dalmatia; others were protecting the lands along the Ister against the inroads of the Comans and the Dacians, and many again were entrusted with the guarding of Dyrrachium". [The Alexiad - Anna Commena]
Greek authors used to refer to Transylvania as Dacia and so it's more of geographical designation as well as an anachronism.
But now let’s contrast it to the following from Niketas Choniates
’O City of Byzantium’:
"Following this episode, the emperor continued on his way and set out for Kypsella [February or July 1197] to bring deliverance to the Thracian cities which were ravaged by the Vlachs and Cumans; moreover proposed to seize Chrysos [Dobromir] or at least to check his furtive incursions and his despoiling of the lands round about Serrai". (page 267)
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"While he was still ailing, the Cumans with a division of Vlachs crossed the Istros. They attacked the Thracian towns around Mesene and Tzouroulos and the first assault plundered them of whatever had remained to them on the annual …" (page 275)
Based on this even if "Dacians" did have an ethnic significance it might not necessarily refer to the Magyars since the Vlachs are known to have been Cuman allies (being recorded together in quite a few battles alongside the Bulgarians) and they inhabited the general area as well alongside the Hungarians and the Cumans but as far as the Hungarians are concerned 'Anna Commena called us Dacians' is what they'll say because Vlachs not being in the area during that time period is an integral part of thier national myth basically.
And then there’s also this passage from the Russian chronograph. ПСРЛ Том 22 Русский хронограф Часть 2 Хронограф западно русской редакции 1914, page 241:
"Then, the brothers Geza and Solomon gathered again and defeated their enemies: the Kumans, the Valachs, whom we call the Polovtsians, […]".
"По-томъ паки совокупльшеся братья Геза и Саломонъ и неприятеле свои поразили: Куманы, Валахи, ихже мы именуемъ Половцы, […]".
"По-" - Then
"томъ" - again
"паки" - again
"совокупльшеся" - united, joined together (in modern Russian it can also mean … to copulate)
"братья" - brothers
"Геза" - Geza
"и" - and
"Саломонъ" - Solomon
"и" - and
"неприятеле" - enemies
"свои" - their own
"поразили" - defeated
"Куманы" - Cumans
"Валахи" - Vlachs
(Geza and Solomon being 11th century Hungarian kings although they were cousins rather than brothers) and even though the passage goes on to mention that the Cumans and Hungarians are related as if ‘godfathers’ or ‘in-laws’ the formula is once again ‘Cumans (and) Vlachs’, and being ‘in-laws’ never prevented them from going to war with each other, they were both enemies and allies at different points in time which is well recorded by history. And here we could also note that the 1st Wallachian dynasty, that of the Bassarabs; is thought to have had Cuman origins.
Then on page 235 it also mentions:
"About Wallachia[Волоеъхъ/Voloekh].
[...]
Today, however, they are divided and renamed: some (are called) Dragule[Драгуле], others Bessarabians[Бессераби/Bessarabi], others Multanians[Мултаны/Multany]; Hungarians[Угры/Ugry] call them Cumans[Куми/Kumi]".
Are you some soviet or something? You are such a simpleton at genetics, if you dare "quote" 29% Slavic, 21% Finno Ugric, 20% Germanic, 18,% Celtic, in Romanians? Out of an 18% R1a the total Slavic related R1a in Romanians is less than 7%! Probably even less than 5%, because there is no clear TMRCA on all. Then you have the guts to claim that Slavs lived in the Carpathian and the Balkans for 6-7000 years, when no one heard about them before 6 century? Even then is not sure if we talk about Slavic language carriers, specially in south Slavs, given that the names of people are either Germanic, Iranian, Thracian and a first wave assimilated in the indigenous Balkan cultures. Hg I2a was mostly predominant in late Neolithic Vinca and Cucuteni cultures of north west Balkans and east Carpathians and predates Slavic speakers arrivals in the Carpathian and the Balkans by 3000 years! Its spread is mostly related with the expand of Geto Dacians and later Vlach people in the past and appears as a founder effect in the Dinaric region of former MORLACHS, on top of former CARPI DACIANS, shifted by Diocletian from East Carpathians in late 3rd century, on top or along Vlachs came White Croats, stationed for centuries at east and north Carpathians along former Carpi and Costoboc Dacian tribes. Strongest genetic similarity between ethnic group in Europe today is between Croatian and Bosnian areas of former Morlachs and the north and east Romanians. There is also attested a settle of 12 Vlach tribes from Pannonia, at Magyars arrival and the time to most recent common ancestor of these populations perfectly matches the historical events. The spread of former North Vlachs and Moldo Vlachs.
And if you were familiar with the Dalmatian language could notice a strong East Romanian influence, on the extinct language! Not to mention that by 13 -14 century the majority of Dalmatians in Ragusa were still Vlachs!
I1 was also pre Germanic but mostly spread with the north Germanic tribes of Scandinavia, in the Proto Germanic times.
Well, I1 in Romanians is less than 5 %, while R1b clearly Germanic, like U106, in Romanians is less than 2%!
Then R1b Celtic in Romanian are branches of L51, P312, S28, U152, DF27, L21.Surprise! these subclades of R1b clearly Celtic are also less than 3% with the Romanians! L23 is NOT CELTIC, only the above branches and they separated somewhere at lower or middle Danube more than 6-7000 years ago!
Out of a total of 16% R1b found in tested Romanians most are other eastern branches of L23, also found predominant with the Vlachs of south Balkans and the highland Romanians of Transylvania, around the former Dacian strongholds.
The oldest M269 in Eastern Europe from which originated L23, from which derived L51 and Z2103/2105 , was also found near the Danube in south west Romania.. So L23 could perfectly well evolve in the Carpathian region and also spread there towards west, east and south., Then came back to lower Danube and Carpathians with the Indo European language carriers expand to the west. Specially that the R1b Indo European language carriers towards west were specifically mostly the eastern branch of L23, highest in the Balkans with the Vlachs!
Finno Ugric genes is N1c and that is less than 1,5% with the Romanians and less than 1% in Hungarians..
At maternal, mtDNA level, the Romanians have almost NO connection with the Slavic homeland and current west and east Slavs, so outside of Balkans, where are former Balkan populations and former related Romans in fact.
Romanians present though a strong mt connection with north west Balkans, Carpathian extent, the Alps, central Italy - Latium, Waloon region in Belgium, north west Iberic peninsula, a very strong mt connection with the Welsh and also the Latvians..
At Autosomal level the closest population to Romanians are the Lithuanians, at more than 37%.. and the south Balkans at 18%. That is more than 1/3 Balto - Thraco-Dacian connection, which also implies that whatever 'Slavic' vocabulary is also in fact BALTIC and former Thracian, also aquired by assimilation by the former Iranian Alan aka Slavs.
So please cut the propaganda crap and learn some history and genetics, before you embarrass yourself.
@@BenLlywelyn For the Gesta Hungorum part, the main Hungarian argument is that it was written some 200 years after the event, therefore invalid. But in order for a historical doccument to be reliable, it isn't required that it be contemporaneous.
They definetly do not think that now, and that is for political reasons. In fact, the whole immigration theory appeared for political reasons. Roesler's Theory (or Rösler's Theory) is a theory according to which the Romanian people formed south of the Danube, from where a large part of the population emigrated north of the river. Written in 1871 for political reasons (ethnic conflicts in Transylvania with Romanians under Austria-Hungary).
I find it strange that the Hungarians call the Romanians "immigrationists" when the first sources to write about the Hungarians in Transylvania were also the first sources to write about the Romanians in Transylvania. No source mentions a migration of Romanians in Transylvania after the Hungarians arrived.
Qara-Vlah / Kara-Vlah means Northern Walachians i.e., Moldavians. Kara is "black" in turkic languages and means North (colors were used to designate N, E, S, W; Red Sea meant Southern Sea). Not "North of Bucharest. And there is no evidence that the main power of the Wallachians was in the south -- it was all around the Carpathians and the hilly areas around the Carpathians, also in Transylvania by the way (all around, not just in the south). The name of that citadel is Cetatea Alba (Not Bilhorod - that's a later slavic name), and the name of that river is Nistru.
"-ava" is not necessarily slavic. It can just easily (in fact more likely) be Germanic/Dacian (all those citadels in Dacia ending in -dava / -dova) and later adopted by the slavs. Many place names end on -va, including in areas without any slavs: Padova, Palmanova, etc., It can come from the Germanic Weg/Wag/Wah which means "way". Basically cities ending in -ava in Romania are like cities ending in -way in the UK, e.g., Galloway, Roundway, or just in "ey".
As a side observ ation: Gothic language existed in Crimea up to the 18th century. Basically, I want to stress that most of what the Sovietic historiography managed to imprint all around as "slavic" (as per their pan-slavist ideology aiming to justify invasion of neighbors) is actually Germanic or/and Dacian (those Dacians-Germans and Celts from ancient Dacia and the Goths and the Vikings and other germanic tribes later on didn't just "go away" because the Russians want that they did. The same kind of damage to our current knowledge was done by the Romanian historiography led from Bucharest and dominated by an inept and exaggerated franco-philia which in the late 19th century and early 20th century meant a strong anti-Germanism. The reality is that Romanians have a much stronger Germanic substratum than it is now acknowledged. But this research-informational inertia will end. Romanians are a Latin-Celtic-Germanic mix like West Europe and those slavic peoples around us are actually much less slavic and much more influence by us Romanians (and the rest of Western Europe) than vice-versa.
Moldova isn't in the Eurasian stepe except for the South-east part - close to the Black Sea. It's a hilly and (especially then) heavily forested area - at most what we call today a "sylvo-stepe" in some of the low lands.
PS. Yes, I liked the video a lot. And more generally I find this style wonderful. Thumbs up!
RuZZia nu exista si nu a exiztat decat ca imperiu.
Imi pare ca este o linie de similaritate genetica intre noi, Austria, Germania, care se continua in Insulele Britanice pana in Scotia.
Fun Fact : This flag , the one of my profile is the Budapests Flag , oldo its almost identical to the first Romanian Flag.
Didn't they change the budapest flag a few years ago because it was too similar to the Romanian flag? I remember seeing that on the news a few years ago.
@@catalinmarius3985 cool , i didnt know
Another fun fact, the romanian flag and coat made by hungarians :)
@@xerxen100 I didn't know, how so?
@@catalinmarius3985 Because the Romanian state offer the job to a Hungarian Coat and flag maker. He is mostly design coats to noble families.
🤨Where did you get the naive idea that Moldova comes from the Slavic language!?
For more than 2000 years, the Dacians called their settlements by different names with the following endings attached: dava, deva, *dova,* daua, daba, or deba, which meant "city" or "fortress".
So the name of Moldova, which is mostly popularly called also Moldava is even perfectly sounding ancient Dacian.... whether you like it or not!
It is possible. But it is a river, not a city. We have no evidence it is a Dacian word.
Lasa-l frate ca habar nu are. Astea sunt retorici maghiaro-ruse care se chinuie sa dovedeasca faptul ca românii erau eventual la munca in Italia si Spania iar ei erau aici inaintea noastra.
In plus explicatia cu vaca in loc de bour/zimbru e pur si simplu hilara si penibila.
Cred ca si Iorga ar rade si cu fundu de aceste aberatii.
The ending -ova is not necessarily Slavic. Be aware, that Dacian strongholds, cities, were ended in - dava.
Be also aware that the river Vltava in the Czech Capital of Prague is called Moldau, which is the same name in German for Moldova.
Exampe Turdava >Turdaua> Turda. The change from a to o is common in many other toponimics, like Alutus> Olt, some linguistics considering this shift as a Slavic influence.
I don't think that it is Dacian in this case.
@@BenLlywelyn It is not a question of belief. It is a question of a valid linguistical presumption along with the other of being of Slavic origin. The actual existing proving material is not enough to draw a unique explanation.
We do not know Dacian and these toponims were transmitted in their Latinised form.
For instance: there is an important town in Romania named Brașov. But older popular name was Brașeu.
@@ppn194Fugi ma de aici cu prostiile astea, Moldova este denumire slavă 100%.
@@BenLlywelyndava,deva are also use in the latin,witch mean "cetate",city,ciudad,for example the daughter of Monica Beluci is name Deva Cassel.
@@BenLlywelynwe have also Deva in România
Actually the name came from the dacian language Dava in dacian means castle, fortify settlement, and mol - mal in Romanian is the shores of a river. Moldova - it can be translated as the place with strongholds among the rivers
The name is Moldova not Moldava, just because it looks similar doesn't mean it is
@@InAeternumRomaMaterthe same, as the name comes from over 1000 years ago dava can easily become in time dova. You can see different name in Romanian and ancient dacian fortifications. Deva that is now a city in Hundeoara district, Argedava, Aedava, Ramidava, Buridava, and so on. You can actually find Gildova, jildova a as names for anciend dacian settlements
@@InAeternumRomaMater Mai lasa aberatiile ostentative si fudule!...
@@InAeternumRomaMater bro, Teara Rumaneasca a Moldaviei, Stefan cel Mare zicea asta..
Inainte de Moldova era Moldavia, am avut discutia asta cu prof academ in Litere...
Moldova came from the Dacians? LOL. What else came from the Dacians, Toronto?
Ben do you know that the Kingdom of Italy gave gift to Kingdom of Romania 5 copies of Capitoline Wolf in 1906 to București, 1921 to Chișinău Bessarabia and Cluj Napoca Transilvania, 1924 to Tirgu Mureș and 1926 Timișoara, simbolic for common Latin origin. The Chișinău one has been destroyed by USSR at occupation. After the revolution 1990 another copy by artist Plămădeală was gifted but until 2009 was in political contest… I grew up with the one in București, was kept as a secret, didn’t know about the others, just now I found out here in Wikipedia, we are not allowed to know our own history!
Not sure I understand this.
@@BenLlywelyn These are gifts given by Kingdom of Italy to Kingdom of Romania first in 1906 as recognition of same origin, and later all regions of Romania as same origin, Latin origin from Romulus and Remus, seeds of Aenea, founders of Rome in Latium. Romania was a kingdom at that time. Later part of Moldova went under USSR, and the statue was destroyed by Soviet occupation and after 2009 a new copy is present in Chisinau. We didn’t know about this until recently, in Comunism regime the history was manipulated….
Excellent video Ben, as always, what Olga is trying to say here is that italians gave romanians few wolf statues as part of our ancestry cause italians and romanians ar cousins in every way...my mother is from Maramures where we have a rich long history and my father is from Suceava in Moldova region and both areas were free of roman ocupation 2000 years ago and we're still free today although russian, polish, turks, tatars, huns, avars, hungarians, slavs, austrians, germans etc wanted so bad these regions
@@paulclaude7323 I approve! These are the symbols of common ancestry! Denied all the time by our neighbors! We are a Latin island in a Slavic sea… Always subject of invasion, Even now! Ben always does a great job! Thanks ❤️
As a moldovan/moldovean (yea romanian moldovan) is the first time I am seeing that there is this place called Moldova that became(or it was?) Moldovia (this last denomination as if this area is something else confuses me -min 0:24 )
I think the post communist era has changed things considerably?
@@BenLlywelyn Well that's right; that is since Rep. of Moldova appeared on the world map around URSS fall and I believe I'm seeing this as an attempt of the foreigners rather to differentiate current republic#region of moldova within romania? (cause in Romania we refer and write both Moldova, no "i" there; often we use Basarabia name: a more appropriate name for prut dnister area from Romanian perspective and russian back then when they somehow split Moldova in two in 1812)
6.09 - Rashid al-Din Tabib : The territories of "Qara-vlags" (Kara-vlahs), refer to the territories of the Vlachs from the north. In the past, the turks, arabs, greeks, .. used to note the cardinal points in colors. Qara/Kara=black, refers to "north". It could be Moldova and beyond it (knowing the fact that the Romanians/Vlachs - lived in the past including in the area of N-E of Moldova, in today's Ukraine, ..knew as "volohs/bolohs/...) . Not to confused with old "Mavrovlahs/karavlahs/Morlachs" who lived before in Bosnia and Dalmatia (asimilated today). Mavros = black in greek
The theory that Bogdan came from Serbia seems to belong to János Karácsony and is not based on anything else. Moreover, Hungarian historians were very creative and created many variants about Bogdan's origin: that he came from Basarabi, etc. So much creative effort disqualifies all these attempts, because they are not coherent (everyone invented something else) and have no evidence. It's just a predetermined thought in which they wanted to prove that Bogdan came from somewhere. The idea from which they started to invent something: the Vlachs were shepherds who came from the south.
Hungarians are not your enemies.
This should not make me believe their historians from the time when they were an empire, especially if they only tell stories that were supposed to justify the domination over other peoples. What does one have to do with the other?
Until around 1270, the Romanians were considered as one of the nations of Transylvania, after that they were ignored for hundreds of years, they were only "tolerated" and led by others. It was normal for their official history to want to justify this in every way. (Later) Many countries that were empires have people who dream of restoring them and, among other things, try to find justifications for it.
In order to be impartial, as until now I recommend that you make, for example, a video about US history and use here and there, sources of Soviet historians and then wonder what displeases the Americans.
The problem that those historical documents were not from only from Hungarians but from all the neighbor states hundred years ago (who have written cultures, not like...), in times, when nobody gave a dame about ethnicity, but religion and loyalty (with was a very fluid thing in medieval times). Nobody, until the 20 century would believe that romanians would be uplifted the regional power, dangerou, so why create propaganda against, even with hundred years earlier? If Romania would be on the loser side of the world wars, nobody would care about their fancy theories, with no documented or arheological proofs. But by the will of agressive (auto)suggestion and "creatively changing loyalties" as they are mastered this "art" over the centuries, they win the geopolitical lottery. So, grats, enjoy it. While it last.
You cannont understand these events without considering the change of dynasty in Hungaria. The new Angevins were fierce catholics and now the hungarians were keen to imitate their all-time models - the germans and start their own crusade, drang nach osten, against orthodox romanians. At least on the elite level, as an orthodox it becomes increasingly difficult to observe your religion.
Because of the religious persecutions crossed a generation earlier Basarab (an assimilated cuman maybe) the mountains in Valahia and founded his state. And also Bogdan in Moldavia.
Both regions displayed already german towns: Campulung in south, Baia and Siret in east.
Through marriages the hungarian crown tried to export catolicism but with very limited success, ephemeral town churches.
Bogdan is Bulgarian name!!!, It Thracian genesis!!
@@botkobotev7002 Apparently it has a slavic origin, given that appears also in the polish space.
Untill 602 (the crush of the Danube border) the romanians and slavs coexisted, about 30% of romanian vocabulary is slavic, and some topographies (rivers, places, towns) bear slavic names.
"the romanians and slavs coexisted" Yes, they were neighbors but did not live together @@Al-gk2jk
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It's hard to tell, I think there were some slav communities separated but also some slavs mixed up with romanians and were asimilated.
Otherwise you cannot explain topographic names with slavic origins.
Dear Ben, with so many romanian fans I am afraid that soon you will be named the king of Moldova or Romania. I just adore your way to expose the facts. So I am one of your super fans from Iași, the ancient capital of great Moldova. Please, could you please please present one day the history of the alans from iași city and Moldova, Hungary also.. I think it would be very nice. I will always watch with pleasure your vids specially about Romanian history, romance languages as romanian. Happy new year to you! Kind regards,
Interesting topic, I would have to learn more.
@@BenLlywelyn Ben, me too I would have to learn more from you cose we all appreciate the way you are doing it. All people will be learning. I think alans tribe migrated even in France and Spain. In Spain they had a kingdom I believe. I will forward your videos to my friends hopping that you will have more and more views and followers. Great job anywho. Felicitari, congrats!
Interesant este faptul că Moldova în limbile germanice înseamnă mină. Avem localitatea Molde în Germania și în Norvegia. Probabil sașii din Transilvania le-au dat numele ăsta. Adică mergeau la minele de sare de peste munți.
Da, Baia (numele românesc al primei capitale a Moldovei) avea numele maghiar Moldva Banya (”Mina Moldva), derivat din săsescul Stadt Mulde (coloniști mineri sași au întemeieat târgul). Numele latin: Civitas Moldaviae. Erau catolici, pe sigiliul lor stătea scris latinește Sigillum Capitalis Civitatis Moldaviae Terrae Moldaviensis.
Overall good material. Please note from historical sources that Maramures was already inhabited by the old so called free Dacians (See Dacia Felix). These folks preceed the Arpadian dynasty or the Huns (See Carta Hungarorum).
Why woud a Hungarian ruler block , close himself through an already narrow entrance-- Maramureş, offering it: because it wasn't his; he was forced to recognise it; that is what logic sais. The Vlachs were mainly shepherds, so they always went up and down the mountains. As in all history of the battles, Romanians had to choose which brother to leave to save the other, at the crossroads the Romanians always were.
Another information, and can be verified, is that Ottomans on their History writings, contemporary with Vlad the Impeller , are referring to him as “Dacian King “ ….
It does not mean they were right.
@@BenLlywelyn interesting ! Ottoman language is Turkish ! Why Dacian? Because his Dacian Cap, and not Turban! See Vlad the Impeller portret from his time. There are lots of legends about Vlad Dracula….
@@BenLlywelyn Please make a video about Posada battle
1) Vlad the Impeller se traduce prin Vlad Rotorul sau Vlad-Roata-cu-palete.
Vlad the Impaler!
2) medieval people liked to give lands ancient names. For example, they named Serbs ”Triballi” (an ancient Thracian tribe living in the same area as Serbs later), or Tatars ”Scythians” etc. It does not mean those population identified themselves as Dacian, Triballian, Scythian any longer.
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Multumesc mult pentru asta. Apreciez asta. 😀 That makes my morning.
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The migrants from the Asian steppes were always only in a very small proportion and their impact was minor on the local population, as genetics has proven.
I think there was no local migration. Bulgarians, Serbs, Slavs in general are like the Vlachs, the same local population that linguistically Slavized after the Vlachs had already Latinized for several centuries.
Elites often moved in and assimilated this way.
Very good explanation. Hungarians tend to absorb the qualities of the populations with which they have crossed paths. This is how all the Scythians became Hungarians, although the things known about them are more vague than about the Thracians, the Avars spoke Hungarian until the last and we have nothing to say about the Huns as long as 3 out of 10 Hungarian men are called Atilla. How can the Romanians talk about any existence before their repeated arrival since before our era as Scythians.
"Voyevod" is not just a ruler. It's "the one who rules over warriors" or "the lord of war" depending on the interpretation of "voye" which in this case can both mean "war" or "warrior". The slavic mode of conquest was based on conquering lands, taking slaves and bringing them back to your main fort to work the land around it as peasants, leaving the conquered land desolate. The only social class that mattered in the society was the voyevod and his warriors.
Slavic voyvods were just "generals" (military leaders). Romanians borrowed the word but in Romanian it means monarch, political leader of the country.
Many slavic-origin words mean different things in Romanian (nărod = stupid, instead of people; prost = stupid, instead of simple; mojic = uneducated, instead of man-husband etc).
The Hungarian kings also rewarded other small Romanian nobles for the results of the battles. See you later, Huniady family. If he was rewarded with land, it did not mean that there was a migration of people. So that there would be no conflicts, it was reasonable to give a Romanian/Vlach noble, lands also inhabited by Romanians.
I honestly don't understand these theories about empty lands and shepherds. In this area of Europe and throughout Europe, there have never been empty spaces anywhere for many thousands of years. And likewise, where do so many shepherds come from? All of these areas, except for the mountainous ones, were first agricultural.
Sparse and empty are different things my friend.
Is there any proof or records that the ascending Serbian Empire actually persecuted the Vlachs and caused a mass migration? The serbians themselves arrived in the region much earlier so there were already a few centuries of cohabitation between the 2.
Why are there no records of a mass migration? Why in the documents themselves the vlachs are not mentioned as "settlers" meanwhile the saxons and the szekely are.
Not directly, we have suggestions. Vlachs are not mentioned often in the time period.
Craciun fericit romală.
Dragos is my 18th g-grandfather. Interesting: but you have done a good job, quite accurate but not 100 percent....:
Au Dragoș nu-i din Maramureș,
Au n-a fost la Moldova Domn?
Nu.
6:30 the Ottomans will call Moldova Kara-Bogdan, kara meaning black and being a name for the cardinal North.
Your research seems to be deficient under many aspects; just for one example (in the hopes that it won’t stir animosities as human politics entangling history would do), you are really confused between the auroch - “bos primigenus”, the ancestor of the oxen, as you say, and the “bison bonasus”, the European bison. I can assure you that this is NOT a minor shortcoming, as the “zimbru” (the same bison bonasus) has been (and still is) the heraldic symbol for Moldova. It’s been there ever since the Cucuteni-Trypollia Culture (6500-4500 BP), a major cultic symbol, with representation in different temples of the Romanian prehistoric era - see the Parta Temple, 6800 BP) actually, even as old a symbol as Gobekli Tepe in Turkey - not to mention that the Sumerian gods signified their divinity by the triple-horned crown, that Narmer, the first pharaoh of the the 1st Egypt’s Dynasty represented himself as a bull on the Narmer Palette. So, congrats on your new “cow to milk”, the controversial subject of Moldova-Romania origins.
Thanks for watching.
Sad that you took the Hungarian propaganda. When the old Hungarians broke through the Carpathians they fought with Romanians and Slavs. In the Pannonian Basin again they fought against Romanians shepherds and Slavs. The spread of the Romanian population at the end of the first millennium was wider than three hundred years later. Maramureș was so big that it engulfed Zakarpatia and some parts of north-eastern Hungary that is Greek Catholic today (500000). ”Zakarpathia” had only a handfull of Ruthenians in the first half of the second millenium. Funny enough, the oldest Romanian translations (early 15th) of the Bible (Textele Rotacizante) come from Zakarpathia, where was the Bishopry of Peri.
The kingdom of Hungary never colonized Balkanic Romanians in Maramureș. We were already here, and those that were granted land (our land) were just recognized as owners only because Hungarians could not colonize their own folk yet and their rule in the mountains was only nominal. If they were to bring thousands from the Balkans we would have spoken their dialect today. By the time of that hypothetical colonization, the Balkanic Romance people were fewer than us (Daco-Romanians), but spread on a wider part of the Balkans than they are today. They were all under the Jireček line, so not at hand to get colonized.
Plus, Maramureș was heavily populated because of the inroads that Hungarian kingdom made over Tisa and through Transylvania. The excess of population that got out of the way got themselves relocated on either sides of the Carpathians, from Bohemia to Slovakia and Ukraine.
In the north of Moldova there were many Romanians in Galicia and Podolia called Bolohoveni and Volohoveni, that mingled in the local wars between Ruthenians (Ukrainian), Poles, Lithuanian and Mongols. After the pushback against Mongols and Turkic tribes, Moldova was further repopulated in parts with that group.
During the 50 years of Communism, history was heavily redacted to never mention anything outside our country. Never spoke of the assimilation process of the half million Romanians in Ukraine (1991), thousands in Hungary, 300000+ in Serbia and who knows how many in Bulgaria. Also in Greece, Albania, Macedonia and Bulgaria there is another block numbering more than 700k that speak southern dialects, the only that Eastern Romance has. Around Romania only Daco-Romanian is spoken.
I don't view it as 1 or the other.
You are very right.
It's a difficult conversation, unfortunately. Because of so many invaders, there's not that many archaeological proof of Romanian presence before 1200s. At the same time, neither proof of Romanian presence South of Danube, like Austrians or Hungarians try to say. I believe that our ancestors were mostly shepherds living mostly in the mountain or forested areas and were very few of them, especially in the today's Moldova or Baragan. Living mostly a nomad life, so there's not much trace of them. After the defeat of the Mongols, Valachs and Moldovans could settle together with whatever other populations were around (Slavs, cumans, khazars, etc) and form new villages, towns.
Vlachs have been settling highlands all across the Balkans and the Carpathians due to their pastoral life style. Few other people were interested in making a life in those areas and so they remained as a constant source of population to settle lowlands whenever migrating marauders left for elsewhere. That's not to say there haven't been additional organized migratory events of Vlach population from south of the Danube, it's just to consider they've always been there to some extent due to their occupation.
Fair point.
Hello!Moldova goes north as far as Pokuttia! 🇪🇺⛾
First I thought that you just lack info and I've tried to correct here and there, but the more you write I understand that behind the apparent interest in Romanian history there is a sneaky anti Romanian revisionism. Even that pair of eyes betray a sneaky character.
The beady eyes!
@@BenLlywelyn A psychology educated would find a better term for that.
Wow!
Super, Sofia!👏
He is not a bad man but he does has this thing like now its extreme right then he goes extreme left.
He criticised Wales the same as if a country with just 3 mil people like Wales would take over the world😂.
Interestingly, i googled his name and its the name of a great king of Wales ( the last king of Wales).
My advice, the womans are right Ben, make up your mind once for all.
You cant be on such oposites poles because its indeed crazy.
We have had such intellectuals here and we still dont know what they mean to say, are they a friend or a foe 😂.
I also dont think you can be like Dan Alexe and the rest of the crap because you like history, you seem honest and Dan Alexe method is to ignore all the archeological and historical findings.
I mean Dan Alexe and Lucian Boia are really big nobodys compared to the manny genius intellectuals we had here.
We need criticised but not with that type of badly invented histories of Dan Alexe and Boia.
Neagu Djuvara was was better than both of these and he got beaten to debates and he had to admit he was his whole long life on camera.
Its funny when some 20 something dacopat wipes the floor with such,, highly rated,, historian like Dan Alexe or Lucian Boia.
Im romanian language we have the phrase,, vorba dulce mult aduce,, and i think you could get more views from friendly, non political videos about Romania than to stir the pot and see what happens.
A video about Miorita is one such idea perfectly suited for you.
As for offensive videos, we have a lot of bloggers posting them here, in romanian so you have big competition on that regarding the views.
Follow Buckminster Fuller concept of livingry vs killingry and chose livingry, suits you better and theres no competition there.
😢I am Hungarian, so I can be accused as biased, yet I thought it important to say that I find that no credit is given, in most remarks about the Hungarian period of ruling/influencing the region.
Credit to who?
@BenLlywelyn Who else? The Hugarian history, like other historian players at the time.
Ova, ovum…. Latin
THE VARANGIAN GUARD....!
The name Moldova comes from the female dog of Dragoș from Maramureș called Mulda/Molda and the suffix ova. The ova suffix is geto dacian because ov is geto dacian see the dacian city Berzovia at Berzovia wikipedia composed by Berz wich means white, shining and the suffix with ov the suffix written ovia and pronounced Berzov like the romanian name Snagov. In goth berzian written bairhtjan/j=i means to shine also so the same word like in geto dacian. The word muld in goth, indo european means earth, mud so the name of the female dog of Dragoș meant the dark one like the mud because she was redish/brown at the coloured/colored
So Moldova means the country of Mulda/Molda
I am sure many stories, legens and versions exist. All enrich the tale.
@@BenLlywelyn The etymology wich I gived remains as corect and if Mulda/Molda is not from the female dog of Dragoş then Moldova means the mudy/muddy country because it
means that in the old times in Moldova were many swamps, bogs and also the suffix wich I gived remains as corect etymologicaly/
etimologically
Moldova, a country named after a dog.
I see resemblance with the etruscans and Romulus and Remus so it's definatevely dacian😂.
Also when you look at what Burebista did by burning the vineyards, it might sound tough but today Republic of Moldova has the bigest alcohol drinkers in the world. 25% of population dies from alcohol there and the Russians drink less alcohol than Germans but it's due to Moldovans that people mistaken as Russians, the world thinks Russians are the biggest drinkers.
OzBek was the founder of the. Turkic Uzbek nation in. central Asia .
Ok, let's try to think like this: Maramures is former Dacia, the core of the kingdom of Dacia, it was populated constantly by daco-roman people, and because they didn't organise themselves as political state (they were simply happy with what they had, in peace and faith), the hungarians filled this political hole by exporting their political experience. It was not really them intitle to give populated teritory, but if you say so...Sorry, I am not an historyc, a simple doctor fascinated by my country
History never was about happiness, sunshine, and faith. It was about neccessities, posibilities, ambition and agression.
I visited all four corners of Romania from North to South and East to West and it’s undeniable that the Romanian language is spoken whatever the naysayers say! I think ethnic Maghyars who are Romanian also they love Romania 🇷🇴 more than Hungary!
I am not too happy with the animosity created between these two sister-nations (not historically, but genetically & geographically); both depend on one-another to evolve and prosper, and mutual acceptance-cooperation would be way more productive than competing against one-another (my hopes for the future).
Romania is a wonderful mixture of layers and cultures.
Modova derives from " Molid"( spruce)+ ova vugarized from ava'( dava/fortress in spruce forests)= Molidava
The term dava' still exists
" Locuri Moldave"( Moldavian places) and not "Locuri Moldove"
Stai jos ca e slav numele de Moldova...
@@ciupilan1000 în germana mold înseamnă mina. Poate e german numele. Te dai stiutor adept a lui Boia.
Cel mai probabil, numele e de origine germană. Înainte de întemeierea principatului, a existat orașul Stadt Mulde, un oraș minier săsesc (numit așa de sașii care l-au construit). Ungurii i-au zis Moldva Banya, iar românii doar Baia (adică ”mina”). Acest oraș (Stadt Mulde sau Baia sau Civitatis Moldaviae în latina folosită de catolicii care-l populau) a fost prima capitală a viitorului principat - de aici și numele principatului. Ne-a rămas sigiliul acelui oraș pe care scrie în latină (că erau catolici) ”Sigillum Capitalis Civitatis Moldaviae Terrae Moldaviensis”, iar blazonul era un cerb. Bourul a venit mai târziu - din Maramureș (era blazonul Maramureșului).
Mulde în germnă însemna o vale jilavă (probabil o referință la râul numit tot Moldova; existând și în lumea germanică de atunci râul Moldau - azi Vltava).
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Asa'i mai.
Nu avem nimic original..
@@ciupilan1000
Se vede dupa numele ce'l postezi "cicaciosu" cita educatie ai...
Also the name is Dacian not Slavic, the termination dova or dava means locality or city in Dacian, like Sucidava, Aedava, Buridava, etc.
Is it called Moldava? No.
All the Davas you mention seem to be in the south of Romania, where as Moldova in more in the north-east, maybe influenced more from other cultures. Besides, no Romanian place kept the "dava" in the end... Maybe the people. So why would Moldova do it? The guy did some research. Did you? Do you know what "ova" ending means in Slavic? Or do you just know "dava"?
@@ilv1 I am sorry, I do not want to be rude but please just open a map of locations with Dacian names. I have given a few examples that happened to have been in the South. However, here are examples in Moldova: Tamasdava, Petrodava, Clepidava, Zargidava, etc. I could give you far more.
@@ilv1 Did I do research? Nice joke. As names go and how people choose to use them is not exactly a rule. However, out of all principalities Moldova or Moldavia, if you like the dava better than dova, is clearly Dacian in origin including both Mold and dova or dava. If there are similarities in some Slavic name terminations it is far more logical to think that Slavs have borrowed this one from the Dacians and not the other way around since those terminations in names, which mean city or locality, have been in place far earlier than the Slav arrival. Also a far easier explanation on why did Moldavia keep its Dacian name when compared to the other Principalities is that the Roman occupation did not extend all the way through Moldavia, but only in Muntenia (Latin for Mountain Land) and Trasilvania (Latin for the land over the forest).
@@nastasedr Ok. "Moldova: Tamasdava, Petrodava, Clepidava, Zargidava, etc." None of them still exist do they? They end in "dava" not "dova" and the other example you gave is "Moldavia" which, again, is not "dava". Why would you say the most plausible explanation is this one since all the examples you gave are either extinct, names have changed. You cannot find ONE example of a place-name that kept it's Dacian roots can you? And if you can, I see it is not "dava". You are locally from that place so you are BIASED. That is the problem.
The name actually mean FORTRESS. So unless there is a specific place they called the fortress of Mold. There is no reason to think that a rule that applies to fortresses and/or cities, applies to a whole region. Why would they call a whole country "The fortress of the 1 place" if it is actually as big as a country. If your idea would be correct, we would need to have a city that had that name first, as a fortress. City of "Moldova" as in the fortress of Mold. Do we?
"Grigore Ureche (1590-1647), Miron Costin (1633-1691) and Dimitrie Cantemir (1673-1723)" say that the name comes from a freaking dog that died in a river. They lived closer to the creation of the name than we have. We have zero proof of a fortress named "moldava". etc. etc. etc. It's like trying to argue with Christians. Damn these patriot fanatics who know 2 things then base their whole patriotic personality on that.
Nice video, but the 1367 map is fake. Those areas (Severin, Fogaras) was integral part of Hungary and Hungarian crown, not part of Wallachia.
Consult he who made it. It is as close as I can get.
@@BenLlywelyn I know not you made, just I think it would be better to use an academic history maps not by user made fan maps, it seems it made by Romanian user who think that region was part of a Romanian country. If you check international maps you will see the maps are different from that period.
Which ethnic group are you part of?
I don't know.
@@BenLlywelyn You should know this from your parents, grandparents and great-grandparents.
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Bravo!!
Can you tell something about Imperium Romaniae and why it’s name was stolen
O sa aflii in curand despre imperium ruZZia si de ce v-ati dus in ghena de gunoi a imperiilor.
No worries, he’s here just to make a living out of the newly-found ore, the “origins of Moldova” (he has another one, about the origins of Romania); he’s not really troubling himself with serious documentation.
If you can make a better video do it.
@@BenLlywelyn I was just thinking
I am Romanian and I visited Romania on foot. Nowhere have I seen the soul of the Romanian nation (culture, civilization and language) better represented than in Maramureș, which shows that an ancient civilization flourished in this area, which dates from time immemorial. The thesis that Wallachian settlers were brought here by the Hungarians is not at all credible. Not true ! Where were they brought from? And why, since that area has always been inhabited? It makes no sense to bring people from elsewhere because Maramureș has always been inhabited (with so-called free Dacians, outside the Roman occupation) - these inhabitants have always been in this rich mountain area - their civilization has remained unaltered, being located in a mountainous area, difficult to access. If we look at the history of other peoples and empires, we will see that populations from other, distant parts of the empire (who spoke a different language) were brought to the edge of the empire - the best example is the Roman Empire where those on the edge of the empire were put to guard the borders came from distant places like Africa or even the example of the principality of Transylvania where German settlers (called „sași” - Saxons) were brought and even the Hungarians who were „planted" on the western border of Transylvania (who were called „secui” - „Szeks", being in fact Hungarianized Romanians). A region as rich as Transylvania, known as Ardeal, has always attracted (and still does) the eyes of those around who wanted and managed to conquer it. Such a country cannot remain without inhabitants, and these inhabitants are those of the old Dacia, - that is why the inhabitants of all the Romanian provinces get along so well, even if they have had separate histories for a long time! Look around and you will see that many different languages are spoken around Romania (Slavic languages, Hungarian language - that of the Huns). Why Romania remained over the centuries (millennia) an island of Latinity (actually the language of the ancestors Thraco-Dacians, Pelasgians - from which the Latin language was born - see the testimonies of an independent researcher Micheal Ledwith - who is not Romanian - former advisor to Pope John Paul II, who researched the Vatican archives and came to the conclusion that the ancient Carpathian language is the mother of Latin and other European languages)? The question contains in itself, the answer! And there is one more thing: in the case of the Romanian people, the Carpathian Mountains, surprising, were the ones that united the Romanians (see popular literary sources such as the Miorița ballad) !
I did not say there were not some Vlachs there already.
@@BenLlywelyn This do does not looks like they were some but many of them as the descendants of the geto dacians
Not Charles, but Ladislaus IV. "the cuman" brought "rumun" warriors from the Balkan peninsula, and gave them land and nobility in Maramures, Fagaras and Hátszeg. They were noble warriors, like the székelys. They lose their privilegies in 1360 because of their orthodox religion. Who converted to catolicis, became part of hungarian nobility.
The migrants from the Asian steppes were always only in a very small proportion and their impact was minor on the local population, as genetics has proven.
I think there was no massive local migration.
Bulgarians, Serbs, Slavs in general are like the Vlachs, the same local population that linguistically Slavized after the Vlachs had already Latinized for several centuries. Genetically we are indistinguishable having the same common ancestors for many millennia.
I think that the common or very similar words that we Romanians have with Bulgarians and Serbs are those from the linguistic substratum of the Balkan and Carpathian populations.
3.05...the Vlachs were not necessarily Romans but rather the result of Romanization or Thracians/Illyrians, Dacian, Roman colonists from as far as Syria, various and composite autochthonous groups which under the Roman Empire influence and colonization ended up speaking Latina Vulgata.
We agree.
The pronunciation of the word " Cetatea " ....czcams.com/video/AEv9xhOkEm0/video.html
13:17 The hypothesis that Maramures was populated with Vlachs from the Balkans is a Hungarian ”we were there first” unsubstantiated hypotheses. There are no historical records of such, this is contradicted by tradition analysis, contradicted by dialectical analysis and contradicted by DNA comparison.
In fact, the territory of Romania was not populated and the Romanians did not even exist as a people. Everything happened like that overnight in a Click, and suddenly all this territory was populated with a population that spoke the Romanian language, so instantly.
😄Excelenta ironia!
Intense time travel.
Asa de misterious!
I think was one of the last free territory without a ruler. Last freedom
Dragos and Bogdan are Slavic names, I hope I helped a little since no one knows who they are 😆
Slavic has influenced Romanian in many ways.
@@BenLlywelyn : Your opinion,
First, is the Slavic language the language of the R1a and I2 haplogroups?
Second, do you think that Serbs are, on average, Slavicized old peoples of the Balkans, and Romanians and Moldavians are, on average, Latinized old peoples of the Balkans, since Romanians culturally and bloodily belong to the peoples of the Balkans? since all those peoples have a lot of I2 haplogroup in Serbs, Bosniaks and Croats it is even dominant.
R1a is around 15 to 18 % quite low.
And thirdly, is it possible that the ancient peoples of the Balkans, including the Romanians and Moldavians, spoke some kind of Slavic language, since there are no toponyms of rivers, places, mountains, regions in the Balkans, in Dacia, Thrace or Illyria, how is that? it doesn't make any sense, it's simply impossible for those nations to have nothing left? , or I don't know, all the names are Slovenian, Romanian, Turkish as conquerors, maybe German as conquerors, and I think there is also Celtic.
If that is so, then the only explanation is that they spoke some kind of Slavic language?
If that were true, then everything changes from the roots.
Can you give me your opinion'?
For quite some time ( 850 - 1350 roughly speaking) Moldova has been a Bulgarian province as a part of Wallachia. Most of the time the border was the Dniester river, although there were times when territories were seceded to the Prut river. When the Second Bulgarian Empire collapsed by the Ottoman onslaught in 1396, Wallachia and Moldova became principalities, who bent the knee to the Ottomans.
Wallachia was independent before 1396.
Voivoda are military leaders only in Slavic countries, I confirm that as a Serb, I can write you a long list of Serbian Voivoda , this whole story is a reduction of Slavic importance in Moldavia and Romania, very corrupt.
Serbia needs its own video.
where this guy learnd history ? in the Pub drinking whisky? seriously im from Romania amd i know my history... but this guy 😂😂😂
Thank you for watching.
Idiotilor, voi stiti istoria aia falsă care s a invatat in școală, de asta reactionati asa cand auziti istoria reală.
@@ciupilan1000 Ar trebui sa citeaca cartile lui Lucian Boia
He is nut
High tide to offer Moldova membership in both the EU and NATO. After that, then let’s discuss the terms. Time to stop putlerism-neonazism
I am not a fan of Putin or Nazis either.