Could this be my new rig? | LAPTOP + Midi Commander
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In this video I'm exploring the possibilities of doing shows or gigs with software that runs on a laptop and combine it with a dedicated midi switcher. In this case the Meloaudio Midi commander. Issues such as endless scrolling or switching between patches need to be addressed! - Jak na to + styl
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It’s the future, once you realize the Ax-FX, Kemper, Helix are really just software in a box, then a universal midi foot controller a laptop and an audio interface are all you really ever need to do anything audio... a powered speaker of some sort and you’re set for anything, this is the future... thanks...
That's true, but if you are gigging there are major form factor and stability advantages to using a purpose built box like a Kemper.
@@kidthorazine
But anything can fail. The beauty of a computer is that they are inexpensive enough to have a backup.
Just for giggles, I recently installed Gig Performer and Guitar Rig 5 on my cheap Windows 10 Fusion5 tablet which is way under the recommended spec. It actually works beautifully. My latency is negligible (128 samples) and I can load up amp-sims with loads of FX whilst remaining in my comfort zone of
It's not quite that simple. For a casual player I would agree that the plug-in route is fine or a simple FX unit. Both have come a long way, especially in the last few years. That said, having a dedicated, purpose built and powerful hardware will offer several benefits. For one, much less latency, better tone and many more I/O options including live monitoring via headphones of the processed sound. Most modern FX boxes include a PC interface so you lose nothing but gain a lot- hence why they are costly. Also, you can go direct out to PA's or Studio Monitors and have convenient floor switching. My point is, the units you referenced are definitely not just software in a box. There are plug-ins that try to copy them and they sound good- but not quite the same (including feel, attack, latency, etc.) The future is already. Yes, the gap has gotten smaller but here but plug-ins and dedicated FX units as well as the actual Amps/Cabs they seek to imitate are three (3) different things. They offer three (3) different experiences and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Also, try playing some plug-ins through the powered speakers you mentioned- plug-ins that were made for headphones (as many are), and you probably won't be happy with what you hear. Also struggling to get PC's to play nice with your interface and DAW is another hassle that you don't have to deal with as much with the other options. I have a Boss Katana amp. It sounds great and via USB, I can control it via my PC and use headphones. I suppose that is a 4th type of solution.
Been gigging and studio recording with a similar setup for the past 12 years (MBP + Guitar Rig/TH-U + midi controller) Works great! Keyboardists use computers + virtual instruments in live performances all the time - why do guitarist think they are locked into using a modeling box and using a laptop would be unsuitable when it isn’t.
@@kidthorazine not really, they also collapse quite often
This guy rules, his chops are just so clean.
Ugh i love it dude❤️
The way you play the guitar is amazing! I hope your channel will continue to grow.
Kudos to you man👌🏻
Looks much like Line6 Amplifi FX100 but with need for external processing power and software.
Actually i saw laptops on stage with the Prodigy and Kraftwerk, but never with live guitar players (though i heard about some who have to play with backing track and use automation for preset switching during songs). Maybe soon it will become new mainstream.
I like the clean look and the concept of never having to purchase another pedal. Would probably add a physical, stand-alone looper.
One plus of using the computer, all settings can be backed up to the cloud. If, God forbid, your equipment is stolen, your settings would be safe.
Good comment man
LOOK AT THIS GRAPH
You wouldn’t even need a looper. Free version of Ableton can do everything a looper can do.
@@mattsnyder4754 Or use a Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot controller with two implemented pedals www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_fcb_1010.htm?ref=search_prv_7 and the software IK Multimedia Amplitube 4 or Overloud TH3.. they have a build in looper ! Works great!
You can see my video about some troubles with the Midi Commander here czcams.com/video/j8fvcY3LObk/video.html
Great video David! I have been trying to figure out which route to go, digitally, for videos and maybe gigs. Very helpful!
I just tried a similar type of rig, but more "everything in one package". A Helix, that was really fun and easy to learn.
Great vid! You are a great inspiration!
The fender headstock is in focus and you are in the background - speaks for your character and taste. Keep up the good work.
Great production quality and I'm happy more people are considering using digital pedals. I'm starting guitar and the convenience of using my iPad as a practice amp with loads of pedals is amazing
I use a Rocktron MIDI Mate for BIAS. It's been a great tool that has been working for me for many years with many different MIDI devices. I am very glad PC software has tapped into this long-standing functionality. Great vid!
Thanks for this video, i always look forward to them! I teach guitar to a couple of fellas at work, my 17 year old and my 12 year old Niece.
I try to teach the way you do, inspired by you i should say, thanks again!!!
Wesley alan hahaha y’all even look alike a lol bit🤣
@@texmontana420 ...its called a "Tone Beard" bro😂
I've been looking for a controller for quite some time now. Thanks for the review, this helped alot....
Exactly in these days I was looking for a controller to do the same with Bias FX and the Mastermind LT was recommended to me. But this MIDI Commander has the same advantages and is half the price. Nice! Thank you for your video, it came perfect in time.
Super helpful! Thanks for another great instructional vid.
Hey hey Paul u promised a demo with the iPad!!
I Didnt forget, and still waiting!
Pleeeeeease, thx!
Pretty please
I tried this before.... the main challenge are the volume levels and settings for home vs live environments. I play with monitors at reasonable levels, when I got to rehearsal, all my settings sound different when using a cabinet (unless you have specific settings and a consistent power amp, this is a lot of gear to drag around). I decided to use Bias for recording and practice at home and I use a pedaltrain mini+amp for band playing with the band.
Yes true
Great video Paul! Been playing around with FX pedals for decades & always interesting to see how far (or not) they have progressed & how they allow for new forms of innovation + experimentation in sound :)
Challenge for you... combine this + tape loops :)
Once again Paul, Thank you, your channel is one of the best quality channels on CZcams! In my opinion
Hi Poul Davis.
I liked what you demonstrated with Midi C wow and the Reverb was brilliant. Nice Rig
Really interesting video! Have to explore a midi pedal. So many great sounds on your computer as you say 🤘🎸
Thanks Karl 🔥
Or use a Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot controller with two implemented pedals www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_fcb_1010.htm?ref=search_prv_7 and the software IK Multimedia Amplitube 4 or Overloud TH3.. they have a build in looper ! Works great!
Hello @@brunoCondor, do you know if the FCB1010 works well with the Amplitube 4 MIDI implementation? The MeloAudio MIDI Commander sends data that is not 100 % processed by Amplitube 4 resulting in the LED on the MIDI Cmmander being still on, while the effect is off in Amplitube 4... it's really annoying, I hope the FCB1010 works better with Amplitube 4.
@@davidbergewaytogo Yes ! It works perfect. No issues at all with amplitube 4 or Overloud TH3 .. You need of course a midi input. Behringer has that aslo .. sound card with midi port implemented. But for Amplitube.. use best there own midi i rig thing/
While watching I couldn’t help but wonder what and how we will think of this video in five, or even ten, years.
For me, the fewer things that get in the way of just me and my guitar the better.
Saying that, I still want all the bells and whistles.
Love your work Paul.
Thanks!
Hey Paul! As inspirational as always. I´ve been trying to figure out those short backwards rake you do (0:04 - 0:06 for example) but it´s being quite a tough thing, even at slower speed... I´d love to see a tutorial about them! Seems like a simple thing, but... Thank you!!
Nice video!!! 🤘🏻 I nearly drown on coffee when you showed the ZOOM 505! It was my first pedal 15 years ago! 😆hahaha
You are like Obi-Wan Kenobi of the Guitar Universe! =D May the gain be with you!
I like that you mention the pc/tablet has a more powerful processor than the pedals. I also like the amp/effect modelling displayed by Bias FX. Enjoyed the video
I had the kemper for a while with à remote i came back To a toneking amp nothing beats tube and à small good amp for warmth
I would bet my whole money that your sound with your amp doesnt sound even close to andy james' sounds with his kemper.
This is really the best way to go about a modern rig IMO. For a larger/more important gig or tour, I'd run the bias rack unit with the laptop as a backup. For a small show, I use a scarlet interface, but also run the balanced out from my wireless unit direct into the board as a backup. This way if the computer goes down, I can quickly unmute the channel and get back to playing. You lose some effects, but the show goes on!
lol .. we started with the same Zoom 505 (2001) .. now I understand why I was caught by your videos since the day one.. i think because we got the same way of thinking and feeling things.. !
Thanks for all those nice moments Paul.
I DIYed something similar for Guitar Rig : I simply took a keyboard and removed the unnessecary keys, and the software does the rest. For the Wah, I bought a expression pedal (20€) and a midi expression device from Audiofront (70€).
All in all, it works great ! but not enough to bring it to gigs ...
If you're curious, I used this on covers on my channel.
I did something similar with BIAS FX - with the Audiofront 4-input MIDI converter, I have a couple of generic footswitches hooked up to turn effects on an off, and M-Audio expression pedal to use as a wah or volume pedal. Just noodling around with it. Like Paul says, I'd have to overcome a certain amount of reluctance before I considered using it live. I'll be sure to check out your vids.
Great. I am putting together a similar setup. Got the Nektar Pacer (midi foot controller) and exploring plug ins. Any words of wisdom between Guitar Rig, BiAS FX, waves, others ? Thanks!
Or use a Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot controller with two implemented pedals www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_fcb_1010.htm?ref=search_prv_7 and the software IK Multimedia Amplitube 4 or Overloud TH3.. they have a build in looper ! Works great!
This could be really useful for gigs with a lot of variety in the music (30-40 song nights)! That whammy effect was awesome! Also, I had the Digitech RP50 back in the day, as opposed to the Zoom 505. Cheers!
Can you control the Boss RC-505 loop station like start stop record overdub delete? Would appreciate your response
I seems like a really good concept! I would to see it on the iPad and see how that works!
The 505 was my first multi-fx as well!
It's important to note that MIDI integration is only available with the Pro version of BIAS FX. Which is of course the most expensive version.
As for the MIDI controler, you should also check the Nektar Pacer. Awesome controler with more features.
Exactly my journey. After watching this video I downloaded the trial version of BIAS FX, and was wondering why I couldn't map MIDI with my Pacer. There seems to be 50 dollar discount for BIAS now, so very tempted. If you don't mind sharing, what is your experience with BIAS FX (or other guitar vsts) and Pacer ?
I like the small form factor and the unit seems well constructed. The price seems reasonable, too. I wish it offered a Bluetooth option for connection, in addition to the more conventional MIDI.
I'm only playing guitar to record some songs, so I'm not really a guitar player. But for the sheer amount of options, as well as the low cost of software like Guitar Rig 5, I immediately went in the direction of digital FX. The only pedal I have is a Zoom B3 (multi-effect bass pedal) for live gigs.
Can you Share your bias FX settings please ? 😁😁😁
It sounds so nice
I like to use the AmpliTube software with an iRig interface in my iPad. Everything fits in your gig bag! Not used it for gigs but use a Line 6 amp purely because it’s an easy set up. All the sounds I need are progged in. I know the purists prefer analogue but most people can’t tell the difference in a live setting. For pure pleasure of playing at home I will use an Orange or Marshall analogue amp.
Nice Video.
I like the idea of just having a few devices but still keeping that nice sound. But they still have to develop that stuff if you ask me.
I hope you'll demo the TS Mega too.
Love the channel btw.
I have been looking for something like this!!
Dude your video editing is just as good as your guitar playing! I love your channel
Great tones Paul
Hey Paul! Could you do a lesson on the little sweep runs that you do a lot in your playing ? For example around 0:20.
It sounds awesome
A year later - you should revisit this. The VSTs have evolved and so did the gear enabling VSTs live.
I'm I big fan of th Jagstane highbred but I also love the
Ibanez RG 550 with a custom Steve Vai pickups
Thank you for this video, very helpful 😊
A question, if I may...
How do you set your levels, when recording this, so you get a nice sounding output, for the video?
I seem to struggle when I record with my GT-1 into my computer..
Thanks, Paul.
Have a great day.
Cheers.
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Beautifully shot. I don't even play the guitar, but I just like looking at you.
he is rather handsome
Hello, thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge. Love your tone and your playing! Just wonder if there is a reason why you pick the Midi Commander over Behringer FCB1010? Because FCB1010 do come with 2 expression paddles. Thank you.
Thanks Paul. Just got my midi commander and had to rewatch this to figure out how to program it. MeloAudio's instructions are pretty lacking if your new to midi.
I love working in the box. Tweak a preset until you're happy and then apply it to future recordings.
Thanks again Paul! Learning a lot watching your channel.
Could you please explain how would you connect an audio interface (or laptop maybe) to a real amp? There is no much info about this. Thank you!
Will you consider posting another video when you explored using it on the iPad? It would be really helpful knowing the capabilities of this rig on an iPad.
I second this, mostly because I literally just got it for iPhone and I’m struggling to use it live.
@@calebhendrix4664 You can see my video about some troubles with the Midi Commander here czcams.com/video/j8fvcY3LObk/video.html
There is something inside me that screams “must be analog!!!” However recently some of these software solutions have been catching my ear. Most of the complaints about using emulations are starting to disappear with modern gear and even if one didn’t want to dedicate their performance to software only I could see this being a perfect backup solution in case you show up to a gig and have some pedal issues(cables, power). Has happened to me before. Would have loved to switch to this instead of ripping my board apart frantically to get it working before the show.
What I love about using a rig like this live is the consistency of tone. It sounds the same every night and fits in my DJ bag. The audience doesn’t know or care where the sound comes from.
If you take Bias FX with you with a laptop or iPad, where would sound be coming from?
Great video as usual Paul! If you go down the iPad route, I’ve found the newer iPads with USB C play so much better with audio interfaces, because they provide enough power for the interface. I’ve found the lightning connector a less ideal experience. I’ve stuck to using the connectors for the audio interface, and Bluetooth for control.
That is a great video. Can you post a follow-up for beginners who may want to try this? Specifically, how do you setup the computer to receive the guitar input, process it through the Bias FX you are using, and then send it back out. Is this done directly via Bias FX or do you need a DAW or other software running, etc.
Great video! This is actually a great idea for the home studio I've been piecing together. I currently have a desktop PC running Linux and have my guitar connected via a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2. I'll need to look into whether Guitarix (Linux amp modelling software) will interface with the Midi Commander but I'm sure it would accept the commands.
The only thing I don't like about the 2i2 is the slight delay between when I strum the guitar and I hear it in my headphones. Are you using USB or Firewire to connect the sound card to your laptop?
oh... the Zoom 505, also was my first multi-effect pedal!! :P
Great video and sounds as always, Paul! Just wondering if switching presets is seamless with Bias fx?
Don't you just love how they start counting from 0?
I'm leaning toward using Main Stage... Unless you're using a tube amp alone for tone...you can now just have a laptop and a line out to a PA speaker... simpler in many ways....and you can turn it into stereo rig too (from what I'm learning) and sound really full with multiple effects panned to either side on one guitar...
Very cool Paul, I have been using software setup for a few years now. My combo is amplitube 4 and irig blueboard midi pedal. It works well together. I think there is a lot you get for a price comapring to purchase all the gear or even kamper. A lot chaper and upgradable to go with the software route.
That's also my setup on iPad.. but I'm always wondering should I switch to Mac, will it bring any difference. And so far my answer is no :)
@@seekeyk i belive it would make a difference. I belive that quality of processing power as well as quality of your external audio card matter. However I never tried Ipad version, I would use ipad for travel gigs and mac for home studio paired with decent DAW like Logic pro.
I’ve been using a setup like this (and yours) for a few years now on my iPad with a Logitech iPad dock and a Behringer FCB1010 with an eProm chip. I use a Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI transmitter to control my iPad software (ToneStack) and it works SO WELL. Plus my rig can fit in a backpack.
I actually added another controller with some knobs and such that act as your normal pedal and amp knobs.
That way it just feels completely like using a real amp + effects (plus I can actually reach my controls much easier!)
You're using it live? i want to buy bias fx and controllers for studio recording and live uses (more studio work) so... what do u think¡?
Very clever bit of kit
You have a Kemper. That's what I want. I'm having trouble how the rest of it can even fit in, except just as some oddity to mess around with on the side. For me, it's the Kemper, then we'll see after that. So far I can't think of anything. It's like looking at a Singularity...can't see past it.
To be fair, Paul, you could probably play through anything and sound good. You are an expert on the instrument and with the equipment. Thanks for the video, I learned a lot!
Man, you just read my mind!
Hey Paul! If you ever do perform with this setup, please post a video.
Since you have an expression pedal with toe switch you could hook the switch to exp 2 and have a wah style on off footswitch
I love it man.
I use the Bias FX mainly as an amp solution and keep real analog pedals on me. My church would has me plug straight into the PA system rather then blow out an amp, (of course) so I use this to get a nice amp sound without having to 12 everything. I also use this for effects that I always keep on like compressor and reverb, so I can remove them from my real pedal chain and just have physical Overdrives, Delays, “Wah-Wah”s, and all of those things.
Edit: I’m also planning on getting an iTrack Dock and having that on my pedalboard as if my iPad was another “pedal” on my chain. So all I really need is a backpack to carry my iPad and my pedalboard (which is less heavy with the less pedals that I use).
While exploring the use of this type of rig did you get a feel for what type of speaker would work well? That you would like to use at a gig? Sounds great once again.
good stuff as always
Nice idea but I'd always like to play with my Amp, so I would have to route the processed signal back from the PC to an AMP, which may cause latency and levelling issues? Also, we can get alot of processing power in a very small space nowadays (see smartphones) so why not bring it to a small pedal.
Hi Paul! You are amazing! On your recommendation I purchased Meloaudio foot controller! It's awesome! Now I need a volume plus wah controller pedal to connect! can you suggest me budget ones ?? thanks :)
Hey Paul, great vid!, I use BIAS and BIAS FX a lot, but I never can get a tight clean sound like yours, it's amazing!, could you tell us how do you use it?, input and output levels, maybe some EQ, etc...
And drivers as well!
_"I never can't get a tight clean sound like yours,..."_ . That's a double negative, which means you always get a a tight clean sound. It's analogous to saying, *I ain't got none brains.*
May be something with guitar and pickups. I struggle to get crisp clean sound on any guitar with humbuckers, but on classic style SSS strat it is fairly simple.
hi, please help! im considering using bias fx 2 for stage use as well but the latency is killing me. ive got the demo and set the audio device type to ASIO and it was way better but theres still a noticeable input lag. is it my audio interface? my pc is pretty beefy so i dont think thats the bottleneck. is the latency just something that will always be there? or is there something im missing?
jack o'lantern buffers buffers gotta lower buffers but not to much then it will crack up. Or is it the other way around?
One question about the Midi Commander: is it possible to assign a switch to control tap tempo when is in Kemper mode?
I have a friend who has a Kemper. I went to go see him and I took my electric. Man, it rocked then he told me what it cost and I wasn't surprised. On our way home, I told my wife I wanted one but it was out of our budget. I didn't have any of my equipment anymore which is a long story. A few months after the visit, I found Amplitube but I wasn't crazy about the boxed sound it had. A few months after that I found Neural DSP and I was hooked. I have the Soldano plug in and I love it. I downloaded Cakewalk and I love it also. I do miss an actual amp and pedals. If you are on a budget, there are great options and you don't have to go into debt to get great sound.
Still going through screen scroll hell on the laptop. Roland/Boss ME80 for example is a much easier grab and go no amp option.
I went for Zoom G3X for the same purpose. I like the set up with one screen and one foot switch pluss three knobs per effect so I can tweak and stomp three effects/pedals directly at any time - it is very much like having a pedal board with 100 pedals three of which are at your finger/toe tips. Coming from a tube amp, I don't really like the internal distortion effects, I would only use the processor by itself at a home gig with a friend. I mainly use it for modulation and delay effects in the effects loop of a tube amp which provides all distortion and clean sounds.
My Fender Mustang IV with Fuse software does pretty much the same thing. Im guessing that Fender foot switch and Expression is actually a midi switch. If only I could play like Paul!
The new ipad pro with the amazing a12 chip should be an excellent platform for a modeler / effects processor, if the software can take advantage of it.
Great for practising, but you just can’t beat that array of pedals going into a nice tube amp. No screen required!
What would be some options for using this live? If you want it to go through your amp you would need one with a line out, right? Otherwise go directly into the PA through the mixer?
I'm using iPad + Amplitube + Garage Band + IK Multimedia Blueboard.. I'm very satisfied with this setup, but I'm at the very beginning of learning guitar.
Looking forward to your review of iPad possibilities, cause it looks to me people are underestimating the power + software what you have in iPads today. Would be super cool if you touch the recording part as well.
Thanks a lot for this video, hope you will be exploring this topic more. I will likely never afford good Amp and pedal board for myself, not only because of money - but more because of space, easyness of move and neighbors :). So, iPad makes a lot of sense of making music to me.
I am also using the bias fx.
I needed a midi pedal and I saw your video and ordered a midi commander.
I wonder what model of expression pedal you are using.
When I tried to search the web, I was wondering what expression pedal you used did not work.
I wonder if the cable of the expression pedal is a TRS cable.
I love the simplicity what interface would you use for iPad?
lol I had the zoom 505 back in the day, I remember looking up different presets online because I only wanted to sound like metallica in those days. Love the channel, it's inspired me to take up guitar again!
Did you end up sounding like Metallica? 😁
@@PaulDavids ha, not at all, even with the emg pickups lol. My recollection is that the zoom truly did sound harsh and digital. I actually only use the garageband app with my guitar now and am really impressed with how far this stuff has come
Very nicely presented thanks 👍
That picture in the background gets so much attention, it’s lovely, but I can’t keep my eyes out of it!
holy shit. that thing sounds insane
Hey Paul, love your vids, inspire me to play more, Hey, the pedals in the software, where are they from, what is it you were using? Also can it tap the tempo for the delay? Cheers from Regina Canada...
Hi! Thanks for the video. I'm interested on buying this pedal for live shows. I wonder wich is the cables/equipment confifuration you can use for this goal. Do you go from the interface to the mix console directly? Or you put a direct box in between? I hope I'm explaining myself well. Thanks a lot!
LOVING THE MEZES
is it possible to use it with a MainStage? can you show, how to do it? i can't find out...
Great vid. I have the same setup using my ipad. I just raised the bar by adding Positive Grid RIFF. Runs seamless with Bias/Bias 2 etc... It's an audio interface dedicated to your guitar to run on Bias. It is amazing!
Great video Paul. I've had a Midi Commander for a couple of years now and absolutely love it. The ability to store and access different sounds is great. It's easy to set up and use and, in my experience, pretty stable (only the occasional glitch but that's possibly me fault?). It may not be the best option for performing musicians but for bedroom players like me, it's a great option
Hey Paul! I really enjoy watching and learning from your videos!
My question for you is : Can Midi Commander show the tuner from KPA accurately? It would be one of the best portable solution for giggin.
Thanks!
It doesn't show the tuner. It activates the tuner on the KPA screen!
Yeah do a review with this foot controller using positive grid apps on an iPad please I’m interested in doing the same thing.
the clarification on this is pure genius