The first kendo motion picture - from 1897
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- This is the first motion picture about kendo. (So the word "probably" in the movie title is not correct and it was confirmed after I had made the title.)
According to the deleted french narrator the film was shot in Kyoto during a kind of warming-up training of a kendo competition at the end of October 1897 by Constant Girel. Louis Lumière was apparently not satisfied with the work of Girel, for unknown reasons.
Anyway, this is a true treasue of the Kendo World.
**I do not own any copyrights of the clip.**
Information about the clip in french:
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For a collection of kendo videos througout the history visit:
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Kendo in the First Movies (c. 1897)
In 1897, the Lumiere brothers sent their representative, Gabriel Veyre, to Japan, who made several short films about 3 minutes long: Geisha in a Jinriksha , Kendo Combat, Rain Dance of Spring.
forrás: Source: Lionel Lambourne, Japonisme: Cultural Crossings Between Japan & the West at 223 (2005).
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***No copyright violation intended. This video is shared for educational purposes to help kendoists to learn by watching from footages of kedoists of a high level. This type of study is called midorigeiko in Japanese, or "to learn by watching".
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法螺貝を吹いたり、太鼓を叩いたり、何か撃剣興行の名残りを思わせる稽古風景
ですね。一人に二人を掛からせたり、鎖鎌との異種稽古をやらせていたり、取材
目的で些か演出は有ると思いますが、貴重な映像だと思います。
因みに、画面の中の鎖鎌は、丹波篠山に伝わった天道流で用いられている物と、
同一形式の稽古用鎖鎌です。
This is awesome! You could see the sensei in the background was happy about the spirit and tenacity of his students. And when the kusarigama guy fell he was being attacked from all angles. Epic clip thank you!
Kendo with no rules and on the battleground, I love it. Its straight up street Kendo
Its sekigahara
It's interesting to see how much more mobile and active these old Kendoka were.
This is how I’d like to play kendo lol
人の配置とか、法螺貝や太鼓などを見ると演出ではないでしょうか？ルミエールなどの初期の映画は演出されたものが中心ですから。
This could be a staged work. Look at arrangement of people, a conch shell, a drum. In early motion pictures of Lumiere, we can see this sort of dramaturgy a lot.
Wow!If you watch it in slomo,you will see that there is method to this madness.Everything is happening so fast like a melee but you can see swordsmanship at its subtleness!brilliant!thank you for posting. THIS IS KENDO HERITAGE.
I love the dude that comes hopping in on one foot, swinging a flail. There's always one of those goofballs in every club.
Yeah blacksheep everywhere... But they enjoy it... What a positif vibe...
This is chaotic as hell, there's even somebody with a kusarigama and another with a large staff just mixed in for some reason lol.
I agree with a lot of folks in this comment thread; they're probably just screwing around.
The throw, early on, was interesting, though.
@The One who Doubts the Plan You're right in that people fought differently back then, but your example is a complete and total myth.
Contrary to popular belief (perpetuated on no small part by modern boxing circles), early pugilism was extremely tactical and actually more closely resembled modern MMA and Wing Chun in doctrine and application than it did modern boxing. It had and a variety of kicks, grapples, and throws. It even had proper handwork far in advance of your body using your hands and forearms to redirect (instead of just using your glove as a shield) like a proper martial art.
You had to game your opponent, not lawyer your way around arbitrary restrictions like you see rampant in modern boxing. For example: if you went to do modern boxing's "hug" tactic to try and get the ref to intervene and save you from a hairy situation, you would get a knee to the solar plexus, or swiftly hip-tossed onto the bare stone floor. And then everyone would laugh and jeer at you as you tried to get back to scratch.
So yeah: It was only after the adoption of the modern ruleset and the adoption of dinnerplate-sized boxing gloves as shields that boxing ended up in the state it is today, a sport far divorced from the martial art it originally was.
Thank you for that fine piece of kendo history! :)
Beautiful to see how Kendo really was before WWII came and everything changed. I feel proud to belong to one of the few schools who still practice some of the pre-war techniques.
What schools is this?
This movie was taken for foreign press man. Formal Kendo match may look like too simple. So director thought the movie to report of Kendo must be dramatic and exaggerate moving. But as seeing well a part of slow scene, a man did trained attacking and protecting. So this movie was taken for overseas of Japanese culture.
Do you have any probe about what you said ?
Miles de Ithaca, just learn about the history of these early travel movies...
武士階級がなくなって30年ほど後の映像ですか。武士の剣術稽古の名残が色濃く残ってますね。剣道の稽古と言うよりもこれは剣術の稽古です。
In a real battle anything goes.multiple attackers from different angles.lovely to see.
This needs Benny Hill music
I agree. Anyone coming to see masters at work, be prepared for something else
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Brilliant, love the two guys in the early bit o the clip really giving it laldy
this is awesome, thank you so much for sharing !!!
Concept of sword-to-sword and person-to-person had a strong basis for war then still. This is training for fight in disarray friend or foe on the battlefield. Sinai also large weapon of war than bamboo sword and current weapon similar to the hammer of the West. It is in the practical training of current from "kendo"
剣道って言うか剣術じゃないのこれ
後ろの扇子もったひげの生やした人見るからに強そうｗ
the boy on the drum sure have the time of his life
前年： 日本で初めての商業映画が上映され。
1897年 ヤマハが創業し海野十三が生まれ。
翌年： アメリカがフィリピンを植民地にした。
Thanx for this
一人鎖鎌使いが混じってないか？ｗ
Especially a guy at the beginning hopping backwards while spinning Kusarikama made me laugh so much.. (.. wait a helicopter?)
There seem to be a fellow at the back playing some sort of instrument. Is this correct? Does anyone know?
Either that or someone has a serious drinking issue...
Johan Jartelius There's a boy striking a gong and the man is blowing a conch,(one of these giant sea-snail dealies czcams.com/video/yaJ4k5GEHpc/video.html) so it probably sounded like
"gong gong gong gong gong gong gong gong gong gong gong gong gong"
"bwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
Johan Jartelius There two instruments being played a Taiko and a Horagai (Japanese Conch Shell horn) They are still found today in festivals and Taiko Performances.
Looked like a free-for-all. The kurasigama is awesome!
Very interesting piece. Love to know more about it --- i.e. where exactly and who were the participants.
The boy in the background banging on the taiko and the guy on the horagai makes we wonder how staged it was.
Thanks for posting this!
yeah! deathmatch! everyone against everyone! that's the beauty!
I'm guessing either staged, or just a free-for all warm up exercise. Certainly not serious training, at least judging by the spectators amused expressions.
Phil Bolton Im told Kendo back then was, as you can see, highly different to the codified, sportified martial art it is today. Just how modern European fencing, is too, highly different to its medieval counterpart.
Post WW2 they took most of the rougher elements out.
Back then it was training for real combat, where all you need to do is kill your opponent. That's why at one point you can see one practitioner stike another on the back. Though more regimented training did occur it was important to practice in an unpredictable free style environment too. Haga Dojo in Japan still trains like this to a degree.
i think this is a real kendo practice for real situation..brutal, no rules, no mercy ^_^
気合いの声に打ち合う音。
師匠の叱咤と太鼓に法螺貝。
賑やかそうですねえ。
Great stuff! Love it!
落ち着きがない...
Thanks for sharing!!!! ^^
The guys with the kusari-gama must be annoying to have next to you in that chaos.
I think that he is using a Tetsuburo (war club)
Not sure what kind of drum that is in the background - but that would be awesome to have at practice!
Anyone else notice Kusarigama Shinai....What happened to those?
I would like to know how to use kusarigama in sparring like this...it would be great
当時の映像だと、ハチャメチャに見えるけど乱打稽古は、昔はこんな感じだったよ。
あと、竹刀じゃない武器も使ってるみたいだね？それとも折れた竹刀を振り回してるのかな？終了の合図があるまで続けなきゃいけない厳しい稽古だったのでしょう。当時は、武道というより剣術の延長上のものだったと思いますよ。
kendo nowdays is like fencing. which is fine but id perfer to learn how in theory two people with real katana would fight.
After 265 years of Tokugawa period peace, it's like playing the game 'Telephone' with the distant past. Hence, I trust very little of what is called 'Kenjutsu' these days.
Look up a guy named Tetsuzan Kuroda. Some of his Kenjutsu techniques are truly deceptive and emphasize getting out of the way after you injure your opponent, which is fairly realistic since people usually have a little energy left, even after being sliced or run through.
Tetsuzan Kuroda is about as close as one can be to kenjutsu - people have to remember, or appreciate, katana didn't clash like in movies, they were swerved away with a movement that then became (hopefully) another cutting strike. I assume there is no film of that -an actual duel with katana.
i study tenshin shoden katori shinto-ryu, the oldest and most brutal style of koryu kenjutsu still taught today. i assure you, it is not watered down. most forms of kenjutsu and iaido are highly stylized and very minimally connected to any real form of combat or art of killing these days. but if you want the real deal, train katori shinto-ryu. it is the sword style of the shinto gods handed down to man from the very heavens themseleves over 600 years ago.
But you cant actually test it for real. You'll never really know if its truly effective or not unless you're in multiple life or death fights with other people of various styles.
For all you know the most simple of attacks could turn out to be totally devastating to you.
And you'll never know, Neither will people who do iadio, kenjutsu, kendo or even hema.
The value of these skills in the modern age should be more about mental and physical preparedness and not whether they're combat effective.
Kendo is a little closer to Kenjutsu than Fencing is to its source. The main difference is the limited footwork, targets, stances and no grapples. The cutting mechanics, concepts, tempo and distance management learned through Kendo are still quite solid and Kendo celebrates it history while sport fencing tries it's best to distance itself from Smallsword, Epée and Sabre fighting of the past with little care for quality hits, edge alignment and pistol grips and being more focused on tapping than hitting in a way that would cut. Compared to Kendo, scoring a point is extremely easier.
It's so hilarious!!! I think they're beginners, from like junior high or sth
Watch at a drumming man and a man playing conch shell trumpet. Someone made the scene chaotic intentionally.
It seems that Veyer tried to take everything in one scene because films were expensive in those days.
Super. C'était vraiment du Kendo martial avec projections..
Woah. I’m sorry oTL, but I laughed my ass off. I don’t know what that was, but it looked like fun.
これは撮影用に動員されたエキストラですね。
少なくとも剣道・剣術の経験者たちではないことは、足捌きを見れば一目瞭然です。
@@nmpd4285 竹刀道家ってなんですか？
Bear in mind that those movies were staged. The film was 50 seconds long, and lot of actions had to take place during this short time. This may not represent the usual kendo practice of that time.
剣道も昔はこんなだったんだな。
Thx for this. Could i upload it in my blog?
マジコメしてるひとーーーーー
これは喜劇ですよーーーー
とても楽しそう
装備着装はほぼ変わってないんですね。
伸び伸びとした剣道、音が聞きたいなぁ
Interesting.
ちょっと楽しそうと思ったのオレだけ？www
剣道をしてますけれどこの動画を見たらこのように戦いたくなった、楽しい、大層ｗ
ハチャメチャ・・・しかも外だ。
As long as club sport's doesn't use this a reference video on how kendo is practiced, everything will be fine.
Well it seems like a warming exercise....the basic rule is not to fear death so to something as that would make them get their psyque right for the class....
Hey, I saw this exact same scene in a 1994 episode of the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. It's plagiarism!
Did people not understand how to match the playback speed with the recording speed on these old cameras? Or were people really just that fast?
Both.
Its well documented, martial artists have to be filmed in 60 frames per second or more, then "slowed" down so we can see anything in their moves. Bruce Lee was filmed in 100-120 fps, then slowed down to 60 fps. Watch some of his clips where he was filmed at standard speed (mostly at competitions and demonstrations), he moves so fast you can't tell what he actually did.
Its 1897. Cinematography is in infancy. Actually is before that, is still a fetus. To the point, film was not rolled automatically, there was a guy there, spinning the film, manually, when recorded, also when played back. Ever seen one of Charlie Chaplin movies, with the camera guy running around with a huge bean shaped camera, constantly turning a crank? This was 20 years BEFORE that. So playback speed was not constant at 24 fps, was variable, dependent on the skill of the guy spinning the crank. On top of it, they didn't knew what was the best replay speed, they were experimenting. Most films of the era are played at a higher speed, 30-40 fps. Couple that with the blinding speed of motion captured, and you end up with this.
Considering we are watching footage from more than 100 years ago, I would give them a break.
+Sparrowhawk The problem is that the majority of motion picture cameras before about 1920, and most even afterward, were hand-cranked, and the projectors run by a motor. So even though the cameramen were supposed to crank at a certain speed, they didn't always do that.
In fact, I'm pretty sure that the main reason for the spread of motor driven cameras was the advent of talkies, where you had to be able to consistently synchronize the picture with the sound.
面白い動画だね。
真相は不明であるけれども。
これはコメディ映画だ。
推測１：カメラマンが、出演者たちに指示した。
推測２：カメラが珍しい時代だったから、出演者がはしゃいで奇妙な行動をした。
結果として、コメディ映画が出来上がった。
めちゃくちゃ振り速いやつおると思ったら鎌かよw
wow!
What the hell is one of the guys using? A Morning Star?
Giratory shinai?? mm not familiar to that technic... anyway, the mood in the video seems not to be formal...
Juan Pablo Jimenez Rojas Kusurigama, just look for it :D
Thanks! it makes sense (y)
片手で振り回しているの、鎖鎌じゃね？
Did people not understand how to match the playback speed with the recording speed on these old cameras? Or were people really just that fast?.,.,.,.,.
+alex matey
I suggest you to watch the people in the background, they move totally normally. I think the fighters were that fast.
They are that fast...
omg theres a guy with a tetsubo in the background!! damn, so much cultural decay. www.nihonzashi.com/japanese_weapons_tetsubo.aspx
Fresh from the boshin war
@Priest105 hahahahahahahahahaha !! ROFL !! OMG !! > _ < I freaking thought they were kids.. he looked like a bunny playing copter.. HAHAHAHAHA !! freaking hilarious phew**
真剣での試合を想定してか、相手に打ち込まれたら避けようとしているように見える。
Lighting Bolt!
今と比べるとめちゃ実戦的やんな
Dat skill...
Wow I'm the 4th to comment for this historical clip about kendo. Can someone report me, i'm abusing the replay button! : )
traditional schools tend to do free for all
Actors !
Is this really how they do kendo in the meiji era?
これはただの催し物
Free-for-all deathmatch
Where is the Hockey Puck ? These guys look like a bad hockey game gone berserk...Rain Dance? I guess so, it is raining sticks all over everyone....free for all....
ムチみたいなのとか、バカでかい木刀(？)を使ってる人がいる…
珍しいカメラだから、目立とうとしてはしゃいでるねww
Ladies and gentlemen, this is real kendo. Cutting with a sabre like a katana requires sweeping cuts, not just poking cuts like you see in modern kendo.
Old kendo was about taking down your enemy with techniques that put him down, not just scoring points like modern day.
Bring back old karate and kendo!!!!
すごいけどなんかワロタ
The most important point is that thy did Kendo work on stone pavement.
Edoo0902 not always. to look at one historical film and make a blanket statement like that is inaccurate. sometimes they trained indoors on hardwood floors or tatami mats. sometimes they trained on lawns. personally i prefer to train on the uneven terrain of unpaved earth because battlefields are unpaved, uneven terrain.
watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg
Play this on youtube simultaneously.
BGMはオクラホマミキサーが相応しいと思います。
(´・ω・)
hehe....this was so improper...One guy actually had his head gripped and thrown to the ground...
I bet he would kick your ass in a ninja duel
Originally in Kendo wrestling a person to the ground or removing their helmet gave you a win.
スポーツ化されたなんてされてるだろうか殺傷の手段から精神修行の道に転じただけ
와 잘한다
현대 일본검도랑 깊이가다르네
역시 폭력의시대인가??
早送りだろ
I hope that's water in that skin! lol
ホラ貝、始終鳴らしているようだ
「これは剣術(キリ)」ってめっちゃドヤって語ってる人いるけどチャンバラというか初心者の試合そのものだぞこれ
Ridiculous.
They do not appear to be serious or authentic Kendoist.
It appears to be a freeplay warm-up game. It looks like many of the exercises my young pupils enjoy. Don't mistake it for combat.
振るの遅くねw
ごちゃごちゃすぎてなんのこっちゃわからんww
WTF THIS KENDO
かかり稽古かな。無駄が多い