Controls standards are expected to be the same within maker lines. What standards do you go with? No buttons or stalks at all like a Tesla, or using the paddle shifters in Hyundai/Kia as Regen settings. If one leases or buys a car you quickly learn the variance in controls. Drive all sorts of ICE trucks then get in a Ram and find shifter in an unexpected location/format.
I love it when you two throw out a pop cultural nerd reference in your review videos and sometimes the nerd and engineering car stuff has me falling behind, but it also educates me and I appreciate it.
Thanks for your comment on the sound system. I suspect your test car has the standard sound system, rather than any of the optional upgraded systems. If so, it likely is the same as the standard sound system I had in my I4, and it was a disappointment. On the other hand my iX has the "Convenience Package" which includes the Harmon Kardon Surround Sound system. Vastly better! One other point - My i4 and iX both had./have a data ready USB port. This is a huge plus! So, i could play my favorite tunes from my library on my USB stick. This ALSO has excellent fidelity, and am glad BMW has kept the data ready USB port. Other brands have not.
Gesture controls are pretty cumbersome and trigger accidentally too often to keep enabled according to a lot of BMW owners. Why didn't they just leave the volume knob and set of physical buttons from the i4? Because they wanted the i5 to gain more haptic controls that you can't locate without looking, and to wave your hands around like an overexuberant stereotype of an Italian driver?
Great to see you both in this video! An idea…. Do a follow-up video comparing the electric and gas versions of this chassis- I feel that would be so helpful in making the case for EVs!
I like the solid interior, and I know it looks like chaos under the hood, but it also appears to be serviceable/accessible for those of us who have to work on them😊
9:40 Waht do you expect? The purpose of polarized sunglasses is to eliminate reflected light of surfaces like glass and water. A HUD is that by definition.
I think that "merged view" really needs to be a heads up (where the real view is, well, real), but, of course that is rather hard as the view point varies.
Having controls in similar configuration is a good idea. The only problem with this idea is that ice cars have controls in different locations depending on auto makers.
Yes but the EV makers could agree to placement of certain common controls. The "gas" and brake pedals can be just like in an ICE car but with perhaps some feedback in the force your foot feels to let you know when you are getting into the regen area of the "gas" pedal. The steering wheel is a bit obvious but the headlights and turn signals should be easy to get to and on stalks. The cruise controls and driver assist need some icons that are really obvious so that you can see them without taking your eyes off the road.
I agree that standardization of controls is very important or helpful, at least. Unfortunately I don't think there's anything we can do to push that forward.
This seems like a very nice car. I really appreciate your review ❤. By the way, M is (along with the entire team) so very artistic and I do enjoy your choices in music in the videos. TTFN
You have a wheel and some pedals. Good software should only need those inputs for driving except perhaps for cruise control. More controls mostly just add more ways a driver can have a problem. Your hands need to be on the wheel. BTW: 3 second sprint time is the best that physics will allow. Getting close to that is impressive.
I can see this car has some merits, but what happened with that front grill area? It's like the ICE car would have a chrome grill, and they didn't need that on the electric car, so they just boarded it up. Maybe it has some function, but it just looks like an abandoned area, especially odd as it's highlighted with a lit frame.
Everyone going straight 6 now for their ICE platforms is great news for BMW which has never stopped making their straight 6. This is most definitely a *"proper"* USA type Sedan as opposed to anything Japan or Korea is currently producing and is much more stout than the Tesla Model S the latter of which is becoming a very much long in tooth. Only quibble is with the low profile tires on this item.
As the i4, compromised by shared platform, smaller inside that should be, massive bonnet without frunk, and not very efficient at all… but got to have options…
Great long form review. Still watching it. I used the "Hold" button (which is remembered when leaving and returning) when I first bought our i4. But I found it was terribly difficult to park the large car in our garage. The hold feature makes brake and accelerator application too jerky to park with fine precision. I thought it was core problem with the car, until I turned that button off and I never went back to using it again. I think it's a good feature for someone navigating hilly roads temporarily, but be warned it's a bad feature to leave on when parking near objects.
I like the way you summed it up at the end. We need cheap small cars most. But when you are nearing the end of your career, it is nice to get a nice car. That’s why I got the Lariat trim of Lightning. I’ve settled for basic for. 40+ yrs; I feel I have earned a little nicer something nicer now
With some very clever software and the other cameras it could be a good thing. If it sees you look in one of the mirrors, it can display an indicator of what it thinks with it sees with the camera in the same area.
Using EDM as reference material and complaining about sound quality? EDM could hardly be considered good quality reference material to evaluate the system's ability to produce the dynamics as well as the nuances of musical instruments as well. From what I saw in the video, the system is a Bowerss&Wilkins system. N&W has always been a high-end quality-oriented brand. I think the system is not the problem but perhaps your taste in and choice of music. try playing some really good acoustic/contemporary jazz as evaluation material.
So you didn't hear Nikki talking about listening to material other than EDM? Your jump to a conclusion that she has a problematic taste in music is rather a stretch based on extrapolating a few brief comments about EDM, considering that she is also a musician trained on a classical instrument.
Eh. I just still cannot get over how terrible all these new BMWs look. At least in black wih everything murdered out its less noticable, but shape still is just ugh. Especially with a massive hood like a 70s American mega sedan. Clearly these cars are designed for someone else. Even Ms stunning video and yalls great rappot cannot keep me interesting in these... things.
Decades of engineering went into that mess under the hood! Seems like a pretty inefficient car which translates to more time and money charging but probably a big improvement for BMW drivers used to fueling and repairing costs🤷♂️
At least it's a factory EV conversion. Somewhat better done than an aftermarket or private EV conversion, but an EV conversion at its heart nonetheless.
BMW i5 M60 0-100kph: 3.7s Smart #3 Brabus 0-100kph: 3.7s Amazing what 0-100kph acceleration BMW has achieved here, their car is as fast as a Smart car. Truly the ULTIMATE driving machine. This probably was only possible by cutting down the weight by only offering BMW OS 8.5 and not BMW OS 9 which iX1 and iX2 (& X1 & X2) have. Series 5 drivers just don’t deserve OS 9.
No! No! No! If some governments mandate how controls on EVs should be, we can forget about innovation! AND, it will likely force obsolete controls from ICE vehicles to keep ICE folks happy. I am a huge fan of your channel and admire the BMW EVs, but please keep politics out of this!
@@transportevolved Please keep in mind that most BMW models (including I5) are still designed for the driving enthusiasts. Such folks (like me.) enjoy having non standard controls and things to learn about their vehicle. And having three different ways to accomplish some functions is also a plus.
@@wilber8260 While we understand that some people like learning new methods of doing things, it can be challenging for people not used to the vehicle - and that can mean problems for other road users.
@@kensmith5694 My mistake for mentioning the "P" word! And depends on what you consider a "big" issue. Is issuing a standard that requires regen paddles and that they are located in the same place and operate the same in every EV a ''big' issue? In the US it is not quite the same as electing a President or Senator. Also, organizing a task force to make standards is giving legacy ICE manufacturers a gift to help slow down the EV transition. They can participate and gum things up pretty well. That's a decent size 'issue'.
Every time I see gesture controls in use I think of Arthur Dent at the radio of the Heart of Gold, vaguely waving his hands about and hoping.
Poor Arthur.
Controls standards are expected to be the same within maker lines. What standards do you go with? No buttons or stalks at all like a Tesla, or using the paddle shifters in Hyundai/Kia as Regen settings. If one leases or buys a car you quickly learn the variance in controls. Drive all sorts of ICE trucks then get in a Ram and find shifter in an unexpected location/format.
Those are some excellent visual shots. BMW might think of paying for some services, given those skills.
That quality video makes me want a BMW again.
I love it when you two throw out a pop cultural nerd reference in your review videos and sometimes the nerd and engineering car stuff has me falling behind, but it also educates me and I appreciate it.
I3 only had B mode it’s was always on.
You could turn it off, so that only applied when you shifted into B mode.
Thanks for your comment on the sound system. I suspect your test car has the standard sound system, rather than any of the optional upgraded systems. If so, it likely is the same as the standard sound system I had in my I4, and it was a disappointment. On the other hand my iX has the "Convenience Package" which includes the Harmon Kardon Surround Sound system. Vastly better! One other point - My i4 and iX both had./have a data ready USB port. This is a huge plus! So, i could play my favorite tunes from my library on my USB stick. This ALSO has excellent fidelity, and am glad BMW has kept the data ready USB port. Other brands have not.
Gesture controls are pretty cumbersome and trigger accidentally too often to keep enabled according to a lot of BMW owners. Why didn't they just leave the volume knob and set of physical buttons from the i4? Because they wanted the i5 to gain more haptic controls that you can't locate without looking, and to wave your hands around like an overexuberant stereotype of an Italian driver?
Great to see you both in this video! An idea…. Do a follow-up video comparing the electric and gas versions of this chassis- I feel that would be so helpful in making the case for EVs!
Another gorgeous review. And I always enjoy the back and forth between Nikki and Kate.
I like the solid interior, and I know it looks like chaos under the hood, but it also appears to be serviceable/accessible for those of us who have to work on them😊
You were going rapidly within the speed limit oh yes of course ❤ 😂
As you said, you wish BMW to build „smaller“ cars, what‘s your opinion on the BMW iX1 eDrive20? Thanks a lot for your videos ☺
Since we haven’t had access to one and likely won’t…
9:40 Waht do you expect? The purpose of polarized sunglasses is to eliminate reflected light of surfaces like glass and water. A HUD is that by definition.
Excellent review, thank you!
I think that "merged view" really needs to be a heads up (where the real view is, well, real), but, of course that is rather hard as the view point varies.
Having controls in similar configuration is a good idea. The only problem with this idea is that ice cars have controls in different locations depending on auto makers.
Yes but the EV makers could agree to placement of certain common controls.
The "gas" and brake pedals can be just like in an ICE car but with perhaps some feedback in the force your foot feels to let you know when you are getting into the regen area of the "gas" pedal.
The steering wheel is a bit obvious but the headlights and turn signals should be easy to get to and on stalks.
The cruise controls and driver assist need some icons that are really obvious so that you can see them without taking your eyes off the road.
I agree that standardization of controls is very important or helpful, at least. Unfortunately I don't think there's anything we can do to push that forward.
This seems like a very nice car.
I really appreciate your review ❤.
By the way, M is (along with the entire team) so very artistic and I do enjoy your choices in music in the videos.
TTFN
To be honest, no features to my liking. I want a simple "just drive" mode. Keep Evolving!!! Good to see Kate again!
I think I agree with you meaning. There are two pedals and a wheel. Based on those it should do what you tell it to do.
Thanks
You have a wheel and some pedals. Good software should only need those inputs for driving except perhaps for cruise control.
More controls mostly just add more ways a driver can have a problem. Your hands need to be on the wheel.
BTW: 3 second sprint time is the best that physics will allow. Getting close to that is impressive.
Great review, new to your channel
I can see this car has some merits, but what happened with that front grill area? It's like the ICE car would have a chrome grill, and they didn't need that on the electric car, so they just boarded it up. Maybe it has some function, but it just looks like an abandoned area, especially odd as it's highlighted with a lit frame.
Everyone going straight 6 now for their ICE platforms is great news for BMW which has never stopped making their straight 6. This is most definitely a *"proper"* USA type Sedan as opposed to anything Japan or Korea is currently producing and is much more stout than the Tesla Model S the latter of which is becoming a very much long in tooth. Only quibble is with the low profile tires on this item.
Great explanation of the car beyond the specs and tech
As the i4, compromised by shared platform, smaller inside that should be, massive bonnet without frunk, and not very efficient at all… but got to have options…
I have an i5 e40 and it is very efficient for its size. i average 18kWh/100km which is lower than my Polestar 2 before.
Great long form review. Still watching it. I used the "Hold" button (which is remembered when leaving and returning) when I first bought our i4. But I found it was terribly difficult to park the large car in our garage. The hold feature makes brake and accelerator application too jerky to park with fine precision. I thought it was core problem with the car, until I turned that button off and I never went back to using it again. I think it's a good feature for someone navigating hilly roads temporarily, but be warned it's a bad feature to leave on when parking near objects.
I have to again complement the video shots and B rolls used in your videos. They are always beautifully shot and well used in your videos.
I love the Hummer SUV passing at 2:00 mark. Serendipitous timing?
Yes. I spotted them so radioed to the camera truck - Nikki
I like the way you summed it up at the end. We need cheap small cars most. But when you are nearing the end of your career, it is nice to get a nice car. That’s why I got the Lariat trim of Lightning. I’ve settled for basic for. 40+ yrs; I feel I have earned a little nicer something nicer now
35:40 "Kicad's autorouting of the pipes". Hey hey hey now! Kicad doesn't have autorouting!
You can plug in an autorouter on Kicad. Maybe BMW should do that.
Tesla should allow transfer of fully purchased fsd for trade-in to new Tesla buy within two years.
How does it do blasting NIN?😃
Better than a hammer!
I lol the car reviews!
The interior camera is just to take a selfie. It's useless.
With some very clever software and the other cameras it could be a good thing. If it sees you look in one of the mirrors, it can display an indicator of what it thinks with it sees with the camera in the same area.
No, you can check remotely what happens in the car and it is part of the alarm system.
Great review! Love queers doing reviews!
Using EDM as reference material and complaining about sound quality? EDM could hardly be considered good quality reference material to evaluate the system's ability to produce the dynamics as well as the nuances of musical instruments as well. From what I saw in the video, the system is a Bowerss&Wilkins system. N&W has always been a high-end quality-oriented brand. I think the system is not the problem but perhaps your taste in and choice of music. try playing some really good acoustic/contemporary jazz as evaluation material.
We know. Nikki was tongue in cheek joking. But she also listened to some classical.
So you didn't hear Nikki talking about listening to material other than EDM? Your jump to a conclusion that she has a problematic taste in music is rather a stretch based on extrapolating a few brief comments about EDM, considering that she is also a musician trained on a classical instrument.
Well, Nikki does play an oboe rather than a single-reed woodwind, so that’s kinda sus😅.
Well, Nikki does play an oboe rather than a single-reed woodwind, so that’s kinda sus😅.
We purposefully ordered our i4 without ADAS because we are adamantly against this tech. It's a false crutch, especially lane keeping, IMO.
Eh. I just still cannot get over how terrible all these new BMWs look. At least in black wih everything murdered out its less noticable, but shape still is just ugh. Especially with a massive hood like a 70s American mega sedan. Clearly these cars are designed for someone else. Even Ms stunning video and yalls great rappot cannot keep me interesting in these... things.
Decades of engineering went into that mess under the hood! Seems like a pretty inefficient car which translates to more time and money charging but probably a big improvement for BMW drivers used to fueling and repairing costs🤷♂️
An EV conversion!
At least it's a factory EV conversion. Somewhat better done than an aftermarket or private EV conversion, but an EV conversion at its heart nonetheless.
BMW i5 M60 0-100kph: 3.7s
Smart #3 Brabus 0-100kph: 3.7s
Amazing what 0-100kph acceleration BMW has achieved here, their car is as fast as a Smart car. Truly the ULTIMATE driving machine. This probably was only possible by cutting down the weight by only offering BMW OS 8.5 and not BMW OS 9 which iX1 and iX2 (& X1 & X2) have. Series 5 drivers just don’t deserve OS 9.
Range is very poor for this class of car. I would NOT buy a car without a 325+ mile range, and hopefully 350+. NEXT...
It’s not all about range. If you think it is, you’re probably not the target market.
If the distance is over 200 miles I'll take my private plane.
what an ugly car!
I like its looks.
No! No! No! If some governments mandate how controls on EVs should be, we can forget about innovation! AND, it will likely force obsolete controls from ICE vehicles to keep ICE folks happy. I am a huge fan of your channel and admire the BMW EVs, but please keep politics out of this!
Curious how asking for a mandated safety standard is somehow politics.
@@transportevolved Please keep in mind that most BMW models (including I5) are still designed for the driving enthusiasts. Such folks (like me.) enjoy having non standard controls and things to learn about their vehicle. And having three different ways to accomplish some functions is also a plus.
@@wilber8260 While we understand that some people like learning new methods of doing things, it can be challenging for people not used to the vehicle - and that can mean problems for other road users.
I am a fan of politics. It is how we decide the big issues. The alternatives are not good ones.
@@kensmith5694 My mistake for mentioning the "P" word! And depends on what you consider a "big" issue. Is issuing a standard that requires regen paddles and that they are located in the same place and operate the same in every EV a ''big' issue? In the US it is not quite the same as electing a President or Senator. Also, organizing a task force to make standards is giving legacy ICE manufacturers a gift to help slow down the EV transition. They can participate and gum things up pretty well. That's a decent size 'issue'.