I Lived With An EV For 4 Months And I Didn't Hate It
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First time I see a video where someone talks about the world of owning an EV and the charging network and did not mention once Tesla.
A good or bad thing?
@@Uchejnrbad
That’s because it doesn’t suit the narrative because Tesla works and their charging network is fantastic that would annoy other car manufacturers and the charging system with other manufacturers is awful.ive done 13000 miles in 8 months travelling around the country charging mainly at home but when I use superchargers network I stop go to the toilet grab some food 100 miles added 12-15 mins
He didn’t spend 4 months in a Tesla 🙄
Using the Tesla supercharging network would have saved him some money. In mainland Europe Tesla's prices are about half or even less compared to FastNed/Ionity (don't know UK prices)
Take a selfie 🤳 feature……how many meetings they had to decide that 😂
And how many biscuits 😁😁😁
100% mandatory for the Chinese market, which is #1 in the world.
@@rsplines12😐….. I can’t imagine why I would ever need to take a selfie 🤳in a car
@@redshovel Because the government needs to know what you do
I don't know if it's possible but I would like it if you could actually take meetings using that camera. Now THAT would be a gamechanger (for me at least)
Making their EVs feel normal and familiar is working for them check out their sales figures, Mercedes trying to reinvent the wheel is holding them back compared to Munich.
say what you want about Mercedes-Benz design but they make better electric cars than BMW...heck do not take my word for it, even Sam has said it.
@@boyserfulwell, one company is selling cars and the other isnt
@@cediB01 which has nothing to do with what I said
@@boyserfulThe i7 is pretty good but I'd prefer the ICE 7 Series really !
I have a neighbor with an EQS 580 and an Audi e-Tron and a tenant with an i7 and they are all great. If I had to pick one though it's the i7 hands down.
Yep even the Toyota aygo could do that comfortably without worrying about fuel
EVs are appalling. Full stop.
@@resnonverba137 they are a con by the government
That number would be much lower in cold weather. Pointless car.
I disagree tbh. It’s an electric car biased towards performance. If it was an ice car with that sort of performance you wouldn’t be thinking about what mpg it does would you? The price has no correlation to range.
Really enjoyed this style of video Sam! Thought it was really informative and that you structured and conveyed your thoughts on the experience really well. Nice work 👊
I have to disagree about the Mercedes interior. The quality is poor, the actual design of the interior is awful. Exterior is awful too. There’s nothing that I prefer in the Mercedes when compared to the BMW.
Agreed. Not all of us want to drive round in a futuristic spaceship........some are still old school......along with actually being old!
@@Blade1310 yea but the BMWs also look like spaceships. Especially that i7 with the 8k screen in the rear. For some reason all Car companies think that an electric Car has to be ugly. The only one with incredible styling is the rs e tron in my opinion.
Home charging is so nice. 13-14 hours to charge 20-80% at home basically means you got a rather slow home charger setup of 3.6 kW. 7.2kW setup is more suitable if you drive a lot. Most new cars can AC charge at 11kW, but for that you would need a 3 phase home setup. Having 11kW home charger would have meant 4.5 hours to charge 20-80 (roughly 50kWh)
I have a home charge putting out 11kw. Basically I have the full 80% every night.
How much would that cost for your electricity at home do you know?
@@NewHandle_ I’m in Ontario, Canada. We pay about 15 cents CAD per KWH. Electricity is very cheap here.
5-6 hours to charge to 80% from 20-30 at home in the middle of the night costing £ 5-7 so 6-7.5 hours too 100% ridiculously nobody is driving 300 miles a day like the internet haters like to spew
I think your taking his numbers too literally, he meant simply that as he didn’t have enough charge after overnight charging that it he had to go to public chargers anyway so he might as well do that. BUT I think that is a STG exception - normal people wouldn’t do this however it is good to see he has no issues with public charging in his area while he had the car.
I highly suggest keeping your eye on the Ioniq 5 N. The Smoking Tyre published a fantastic podcast which explains why it would be the perfect EV for you: fun to drive, reasonably priced and the ability to change the power delivery and sound to mimic that of an ICE car. Truly something ahead of its time!
Last great car that Albert Biermann created before retiring.
You mean the car that Hyundai will scrap if the undercarriage is scratched?
Its isn`t gong to buy a Hyundai.
Lovely video! The combination of the public charging network and your home charger (no matter how slow it is) finally giving you a good experience and ability to assess the car w/o being hobbled by the infrastructure. Looking forward for more ev/hybrid content in conjunction with the already great content regarding combustion engines
Really appreciate the detailed review Sam ! Very Harry-esque and I guess praise doesn’t get higher than that 😅
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This channel deserves the million. Nice narrating and quality content. ❤
It does Sam is one of those creators I follow every video. And btg
Great video mate
Great video this week Sam.
Excellent big ol ramble at the end 😊 Great informative video, thanks.
Great video Sam, I do like the new 5 body style. i5 business leases are great, personal ones are looking around £800 pm
Nice review Sam. Even from an EV enthusiast like myself. Get this, I like your ‘other’ content too, despite most petrol heads telling you that you can’t possibly like both. 🙄
The video I was waiting for Sam. Hopefully this experience has convinced you to try out other ev’s. If you can ignore the disgusted eyes from fellow petrol heads, I’d recommend you testing out a Tesla for a week whether model 3 or y. You may find your ev experience to be different. Great vid as always and educational for those who are still unsure of these vehicles
I would love to see a similar video with a Tycan, can the brand and the experience win you over despite the depreciation? Keep up good work Sam!
Can’t wait to hear you on the smoking tire this week!
A fantastic public information video Sam, thank you for that, this is one EV that I wouldn't be interested in, although I do think they could work if the public charging network was vastly improved!
fantastic video Sam.
After having this, would you go back to the 718? I have a i4 M50 and it's great, but Im considering changing to a 718. Previously had a 981 and I really miss having the engine sound.
Sam, good honest review. I think for me it’s the unknowns, the depreciation is heavy + how long does the battery last before needing replacing. Whereas a combustion car will do 200k if maintained properly (especially a diesel) and will still have some value. If I’ve spent 100k + on a car had it for 5 years put 50,000 miles on it, how much have I lost and how sellable is my car compared to its combustion equivalent. I wouldn’t bat an eyelid at buying a 50,000 mileage combustion engines car. Right now I would be very hesitant at buying a 50,000 mile EV
Great video thank you - free from the hysterical drama from other CZcamsrs happening at the moment.
Sam, something is wrong with your home charger if it takes you that long to charge at home. Its about half as fast what it should be after I just did some math. Adjust the power output up.
The over night home slow charging is for battery balancing which is important for good battery health.
I have the i5 M40. Have to say it is fantastic for commuting. Very comfortable, great ride quality, quick in sport mode and loads of tech. Have something fun for the weekend which helps 😎
great video!!!
Something wrong with your home charger if it can’t charge any faster. Should take max 8 hours to charge at home (~25miles/hr). This would significantly reduce costs. As a London driver you also don’t get hit by the extra gas tax if you need to drive through the city.
Great video Sam, you nailed it with the list price and depreciation. That is the latest big issue with nearly all EV's.
Manufacturers have put ridiculous list prices on them (prob because of the extra R&D and battery costs) - but they are not worth anything near the list prices, we know they are prob cheaper to produce in volume.
Taycan is the perfect example of everyone going mad 3-4 years ago and now they can't sell them 2nd hand so had to massively reduce the asking price.
I still think EV is not great for your only car. Mainly those who can afford to run 2-3 cars and have charging at home, it works great for them.
Just considering an I5 and this video comes along, perfect. Although "I hope I used that word rightly"...😂😂😂....great content as always
Which watch you’re wearing here? Looks great
It would be very interesting to get a 550e and see if you plug it in enough to make the most of the battery
Thanks for a balanced review Sam of many things. Home charging is the crux of it. I very rarely use public charging, maybe a few times a year on longer trips. I would never go back tj ICE now. I know it's not for everyone, but if you can then you should go try one with a open mind. You might be surprised. As I can charge at home, the savings are huge.
Great video as always Sam. Random question, what street is that @23:24?
Great video Sam - do you have a 11kw charger at home? That should charge up over night without a problem at cheap rates (perhaps yours is not charging at at least 11kw speed?). Also by locking in a good residual value for a 3 year lease, arent you protected if you can hold on to your car for 3 years and respect the mileage on your lease?
His charging at home must be very basic my 7.5 kw charger will charge my Tesla LR in 5-6 hours overnight from 30%-80% easily
7:44 reminds me of the thx sound test 😂
Thanks for your take on an EV today Sam! keep on making the stellar videos!!!
Ev as a Daily to me should be extremly useful, a friend recently have a Smart #3 and to me is big enogh but tiny enough his is a brabus and it is actually uncomfortably fast.
I wish manufacturers would implement 4 wheel steering on all sized vehicles for maximum manoeuvrability.
can't wait to see your new panamera
nice Benetton f1 phone case! 👍👍
yes! really nice 🔥
Enjoyable video, Sam!
The section where you suggested watching a different video for the ‘more dynamic’ stuff, I’m just not interested… and I think that says it all about this car in my view. Capable for sure, but not fun.
Can’t wait for you to review an ionic N.
I absolutely love my i3 for around town. Admittedly my situation is well set up for it: a house, fairly limited commute needs, and a gas car for longer trips. That being said…quiet, punchy, almost zero maintenance, and never ever need to stop for gas. If you can find a Rex model, even better, as it erases range anxiety. It even makes an organic low-key electric motor whine that I quite enjoy as well. Win!
My neighbours feel exactly the same. They’ve got an X3 and i3. But it’s ridiculous that the electric car is really good, because you’ve also got a petrol car.
@@Shyted Tech and infrastructure just need maturing. It’ll get there. You can’t expect to compete with a century of development on ICE in a few years. In the meantime, I use it where it works (and it works there very well).
The biggest problem with owning an EV is charging it.
If you have a house and can charge at home, maybe it’s no problem.
If you don’t do roadtrips or drive more than 200 miles at a time, it’s not a problem.
The issue is when you travel long distances and rely on public chargers.
If it is a private buy, the level of depreciation is also an issue.
On the flip side, company lease allows significant tax concessions (in some markets), combining this with surrendering the vehicle @ the end of lease contract, depreciation stops being an issue.
Home charging is key but road trips and long mile days are no longer an issue. I speak from driving Tesla’s and never have issues with either range or long journey driving. No bias but there is still a difference between experiencing a tesla and a non-tesla ev because of charging reliability and efficiency. I hope this experience with the bmw convinces SAM to test other ev’s now because there a definitely better options out there for different use cases
@@stanmarks3950 private buy could be a positive now that it’s a buyers market if one isn’t fussed about going down the used route
@@Uchejnr The only problem you would have is if you go on vacation in Europe anytime during school holidays. I have done it twice in a Tesla model x (2018 model) and several times I had to wait in queue for 30+ minutes to charge which is annoying.
@@flowmeful good thing new location are always being built.
Sam, thoughts on public charging outside of London? Can you depend on them as a way of existing together? My assumption is that London is probably well catered for. What if you lived in Somerset?
It feels different watching this video when I talked with you just a couple hours ago for the first time, btw I also talked with Tony about how we don’t like EVs, not to hate them but how the hype is going down and how they will never make an event of EVs like Gathering Supercars’s.
EV content, so this video might not get many views. However, this was a fantastic film and I loved hearing your summary of this car.
I like BMW´s - always had one - until now. I switched to a different brand (which was hard for me emotionally) yesterday, I picked up a brand new EV in the north of Germany and drove it overnight to the south. - because their lease is not competitive, which also means they are successful and they are selling well. Everybody is losing sales - Tesla is kicking out thousands of employees because they are not selling.
BMW is the only vendor being successful in the EV market right now, increasing sales. Their strategy of producing a platform which is capable to offer all drive trains pays off. They are flexible to produce either EV, hybrid or ICE - depending on market demand. As far as I know they are the only one for now being able to do this. - most successful car vendor right now by far. Great review btw showing us the day to day experience with an EV.
En EV can make 100% sense or no sense at all depending on your location and personal situation. In Denmark ICE cars are charged with a 150% registration fee with a MASSIVE reduction on this fee on EVs. In short, in my neck of the woods, a Tesla Model 3 costs the same as the cheapest Golf with NO options. Moreover, we get a partial refund on electricity used for EVs. Thus, in January 2023 we changed from a 2 year old Golf to a Cupra Born. We drive roughly 40.000 km per year and in 2022 we spent £4250 on petrol. We have a home charger and in 2023 we ended up spending spending roughly £900 on electricity for the EV - that’s a monthly saving of roughly £250. Moreover, because taxation is gradually being intrduced to EVs, this will eat some of the depreciation. In short, in Denmark, you’d have to be a moron to not at least concider an EV. With that said, I would never had bought an EV if I couldn’t charge cheaply at home… and would never have been willing to buy an EV without the reduced registration fee. As it stands, we are VERY happy to have made the switch to an EV, as it makes so much sense for our situation.
Smart people over there. Caring for the health of their citizen as well!
@@zapfhahn6130 Indeed - an estimated 10.000 EU citizens die prematurely each year from diesel car emissions alone… add petrol and we’re looking at 15.000 premature deaths every year… a rather potent argument for EVs, if you ask me.
So you're happy that you were forced to buy an ev through taxes.
@@kylepastaNope, I was happy that I didn’t have to pay 150% registration fee on an ICE car… Massive registration fees on cars isn’t a new thing in Denmark, it’s been like that since the 60s. What IS new, is the reduced registration fee on EVs. Over here, a Golf GTI is roughly £74,000 wheras a Tesla Model 3 Performance is roughly £50,000. Again, you’d have to be a fool not to concider an EV in Denmark.
@eskemeldgaardkrogh4145 you just proved my point, thanks.
If you weren't taxed to death maybe you would write something unbiased about ev vs ice, but you have proved otherwise.
At least it is getting better!
That's a sharp looking car and would fit my commute. My current bmw 535i also gets atrocious gas mileage and if i were to sell it I might as well give the thing away as the depreciation has been horrendous. If I were in the market for another car - I would buy this BMW i5 M60. If i need to go long distances, I can use my Toyota 4runner for that.
Great video sam i been fences more in more . Keep looking at them more in more. I only drive 20mils to work if that . In during week only short in town to small county drives. But charge here all puplic where i live bc on street parking mustly in area of Pennsylvania. But used ev market here fell hard awd tesla from rental cars being sub 40 to 30 k for long range awd and mach e mustang my top choice even the Kia sporty ev6 drop off good bit. All sub 40k miles some even low 12k miles
ive owned over 30 bmws, this 5 series is a distinct fail... sad after the last 5 series which was very good
Sounds like your home charger wasn’t letting the car reach the max charge rate. It should only be taking about 5 hours to charge about 80% and about 7.5 hours for a full charge. The max rate at home is typically 11kwh
A higher performance ICE car will also have less mpg, and also again in the winter. So whilst these are downsides of EVs it applies around the board.
I am in the middle of doing a 700 plus (US) miles trip each way and after driving I would say about 500 miles yesterday, I do realize that one I don't make that many super long trips a year and two it would be possible to do it with an EV and it probably would not be that inconvenient, at least if I was by myself like I am now. I do have the ideal situation to be an EV owner if I was to do so, a home, lot of garage space etc but if I lived in an apartment or a city, I am not sure if I would want that although if you live in a city you probably don't drive that much either. Long story short, I could probably getaway with living with an EV.
Hi Sam why not try the volkswagen Id7 for size
Also everyone of these brands with all the fancy touch screens have de-laminating issues .... ghost inputs suck....and even on a inexpensive vehicle cost is $1,300 starting !! And that's to replace with oem
Hate the car, love the video. This was a nice combination of old school STG in modern times. More of this please!
It’s a shame it’s been recalled. I’d be curious how it goes on a family road trip to the continent.
I wonder also if you could upgrade your house electricity to 3 phase power which would mean you could charge a bit faster.
Interesting video. I drive a Kia EV6 and i charge at 220 Kw and in approx. 15 minutes. Based on your "average" numbers I wouldn't touch a BMW EV if I mostly used the public network.
what about the I4, feels a decently priced ev at around 35/40k
You mean around 70-90k ?
Used
I appreciate you doing this research and beta testing for us so we don't have to actually bite the bullet and purchase or lease one of these.
It would be fun to see you long test a Tesla model s. Is it a easier EV to live with?
Surely all these cars are leased?
Have you tried the i4?
Good information 🔋🪫☎️
Which did you prefer with the x3 m40i or D version? .. Also will be interesting to see how the used market on the Rolls Royce Spectre will be, Considering every other EV isn't the best. Is that in a group of it's own because of the Rolls Royce brand?
Used Rolls seems to drop a lot anyways, as that market of buyers can just purchase new.
@@ano9756 Yeah that's true tbh
My biggest gripe with it is that TV screen on the dashboard. It just looks cheap after seeing it for a while. It really got me looking over at stellantis to see what their Italian brands are doing. The newest Maserati Folgore looks stunning and the Alfa Romeo Junior has physical buttons. The Fiat 5OOe also looks sublime. If the italians prove they can make reliable electronics, I would frankly get an italian EV just for the interior. I find the interior of German cars to be cheap feeling in BMW products, tacky in Mercedes and a bit too busy in VW group. I do love BMW, but to me the cheap looking dash is just a big nope for me. I know they are fun to drive, but so does an Alfa Romeo, and that even handles better.
Interesting, we have a ford mustang EV we use as a daily. It’s great! We charge at home which runs on solar, so no cost. Life is good .
I think reasonably priced EVs with a decent range are interesting cars for commuting, no oil change no anything so in the long run you will be saving money. The more expensive ones I don't really see the need for them (taxes and things like this apart).
Isn't that chrome G wagon from Yiannimize?
12:28 isn’t that where the batteries are???
I hate to agree with Tony but his advice of don’t get an EV until you have to is pretty much bang on for me. And I say this as someone who likes the idea of them as a family car and has a lifestyle that suits them (mainly short/local trips/OSP and able to have a home charger) but the depreciation/insurance unknowns are a concern, and at the moment they clearly aren’t the environmental holy grail as yet (but an increase in renewable energy in future will help that). Great/honest video 👍🏻
Good vid, EV,s are good if you live and work around a city like London and life style and you have a drive or ability to charge at home. But if you live on the opposite end of that remote area like myself not necessarily a good option or even safe at times of the year. The nearest thing to a EV I am looking at is the BMW x5 45E hybrid, witch for running around the local area will be fantastic, but when I need to travel for business or family I am not restricted by the expensive charging network. And I require a reasonable 4x4 system. I think EV,s are not for all but pushed by a London centric and politicians who really have zero idea how real life works let alone the trades and other business.
I think, in a similar vein to the business purposes and tax write-offs, there is also the consideration of whether this is your first or second car, versus, your third or fourth. Viewing the pros and cons from either standpoint, I think, greatly affects the weight of those cons you mentioned. In my opinion, the car becomes completely unviable when viewed in the scope of a number one, day-to-day, go to driver. However, as a fourth? It almost doesn't matter.
Bought an EV 2019 as my daily driver. I love my mid engine weekend sports car, but as daily I‘ll probably never go back to petrol. Looking forward to EVs like the Ioniq 5 N, that have fake gearboxes and cool sounds if I‘m in the mood and not in my sports car.
You should have got Tony in this video, he'd have had a field day with this one. That low 200s range just isn't enough for a large saloon/estate car, when the updated Taycan will do an easy 340 miles + on a charge. You also say you've been fast charging at '105/100 kw' - that's also very poor considering a new Taycan will fast charge until 65% at 330kw.
The Taycan isn't doing 340 miles either you are dreaming.
@@TDS981 incorrect - the new updated version will, it's a big jump on the first gen Taycan. And that's real-world range. The quoted figures are
obviously higher than that.
You should listen to their podcast. They keep mentioning the i5 from time to time
@@andrewhurstcars 😂 good luck I think you are extremely optimistic.
@@kevins718 I do listen to the BTG podcast 👍🏻
Charging for 30 min is fine if you can actually work, but most of us do not have the luxury of a flexible “office”. Would have been great if you could have done a long distance trip in it.
Interesting that you find the charging to be okay - however I can’t see that working for the majority of people who don’t have the flexibility that you do (ie working 9-5 in an office). Last thing I’d want to do is add 30mins to my commute to charge up. I’ll pass for now thanks
In a city or country that you can drive across in a day....then fine. But it just doesnt work in many places without infrastructure. And that infrastructure isnt free
You usually need high speed chargers on long trips. So most of the population does not need it because the drive 30 Miles a day. And electricity is these days everywhere and with a Juicebooster in the back(or some other brand) you are safe everywhere. With the right home charger that provides 22 KW a car will be ready in a couple of hours so plenty for the average Joe.
Was hoping for a panamera vid today.
If it didn't have that awful dull paint and if it had a decent engine under the bonnet, it would be a lovely car 😁
I would take the 50 mile range difference, because it would probably be 100+ with petrol equivalent, say, 520i or 525i vs M5.
Sam love to see you in an Porsche Macan (or Taycan) EV. With 800V tech supercharging will take only 18 (/21) minutes per charge.
But first fix a propper 11kW supercharger at your home, this makes living with an EV so much better! (Even beter than living with an petrol car I can say from my own experience. Ever moring a car ready for 250+ miles waiting for you, instead of you waiting to refuel at an petrol-pump)
17:57 thats very interesting given that shmee and stradman said the complete opposite
Basically saying that chargers are the very reason evs suck, despite the car being actually good
When you have a propper 11kW homecharger or posibillity to charge you car overnight on the street with 11kW charger like in the Netherlands, charging is the positive side of driving an EV! Never have to wait at an petrol-pump anymore.
On long distances the charging-network of Tesla, FastNed, Ionity and many others make it effortles aswell. Drove my Tesla model Y to Italy and back (1.100km / 700 miles) this summer towing an mid-size caravan without having to wait once. Just connect the car to an supercharger an time for coffee. Istead of first have to fuel, then pay for the fuel, then park en then have time for you break and coffee.
With the caravan I planned my stops in advance so I had to disconned the caravan less often at charging-stop (had to disconnect in 1 of every 3 stops). On my 200kmp/120mph hispeed run to wintersport in Austria this winter the car did all the planning itself! With a free autobahn at high-speed it planned a ealier stop and on the busy parts with speed reduced to 100-120kph (50-60 miles) it planned a stop at al later supercharger.
The return trip from Austria to my home adress 990km took me 10.45h including charging. At every chargingstop time for streatching the legs and coffee so I arrived totaly relax at home.
Ofcourse with an petrol car doing the same speeds I could have done it an hour faster, but than with no or very short brakes with would have made the trip less relaxed.
@@Bart4827-ee5in but thats the thing with EVs, you gotta think about stuff... in a gas you pump gas and thats it....
evs you need to calculate everything otherwise ur fked...
@@PedroHenriquePS00000he chose his own stops because he’s familiar with his car. For newbies, just enter your destination then the Tesla literally plans your route including stops and for how long. No need for planning there boss.
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112k pounds is nuts.. that same car (i5 M60, almost fully equipped) in Canada is 115k CAD, or like 67.5k British pounds 😅
What about congestion charge? Free for BEVs, no?
A more efficient EV can have a smaller battery which gives a quicker home charge and then reducing running costs a lot
The main driver of EV sales is the business incentive to buy new. Unfortunately as commented that also creates the biggest problem. Their depreciation. If you want the general consumer to buy more. Change the business incentive to include second hand. This will help with the depreciation problem and the uptake. Bigger business will still buy new ones as it's a bigger write off and they would be buying new cars regardless. But uptake of the second hand ones and overall would be higher. Solves many issues.
First thing I'd do in this car is switch off those sound effects, then turn to my passenger and say " look, Ma....no Hans"
It sounds like Hans recorded a vacuum cleaner with some electronic distortion...
🤣🤣🤣
Great video! The car on the other hand is still a big no
Seems to me that the summary of this review is that if you want to buy a new EV then make sure you do it tax efficiently through you company or employer. But the flip side of the extra depreciation for the EV must mean that for the private buyer, a nearly new example would be cheaper than the ICE equiavalent.
It may well be easy to charge an EV in and around London but further north that is just not the case
But I think most people don't have that much to do while charging, like emails, uploads, and such