What Do We Think About Clone Palpatine - Star Wars Explained Weekly Q&A
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What are our thoughts on clone Palpatine in The Rise of Skywalker? Will Lucasfilm be doing any storytelling outside of the High Republic in the near future? These questions and more answered in this week's Q&A!
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Choosing which is preferable between "Palpatine having sex" and "Palpatine made a failed clone of himself" is a genuinely hard choice to make
Why do we have to choose? Both are equally terrible!
If I wrote it, he would die in Ep. VI while his powers & spirit would be transferred to a few beings in the galaxy (unborn Rey, Snoke & potential Ep. IX villain). Some would try to get rid off his influence, while others become fully controlled.
@@themadladorian4364 that would have been clever and would have made Palpatine a wound in the force of sorts
@@blackbird7781 I've always loved that concept. When Mara Jade flew to Endor in the Thrawn trilogy and felt it always gave me chills.
And then the "son" is a clone, so Palpy still did it, technically.
From what I gathered from what the movie was telling us, it seemed like Palpatine could not physically die because a Sith did not kill him, and he was not killed in anger either. I don't really like it, but if the essence transfers from one person into another and Palpatine is literally all the Sith, when he was chucked down that hole, all the spirits within him would not allow him to die since it was not the proper way to go in their eye, but the damage he took could not really keep him living either. He's in this weird state of limbo. His death in the movie is kind of by his own hand, so I guess that kills him for good. I don't know, I only saw the movie twice and not everything is crystal clear from two and a half months ago.
Personally, if Palpatine has to be here, I think it should have been that his spirit was trapped within various things, like in Vader's helmet, the Death Star wreckage, maybe a piece is in Snoke somehow, maybe one of those robots with his Cinder Message, and they have to destroy everything he's still latched to so that he does no have a chance to return. It's very Harry Potter and people would complain that it's just a copy of that, but it makes more sense with the other things shared in recent canon and would still be easy enough to understand and not feel as cheap as the one we see in the movie being a clone.
His spirit being in this clone brings up questions of when and how since we see what happens in Return of the Jedi. Unless those two guys in the funny hats and robes he's talking to have a piece of him for safe keeping to put into a clone, there's no satisfying way for him to return in my opinion, and I still don't even like that. How do the other Sith spirits transfer with him if they really are in him? How does he remember dying to begin with? How much of one's essence is needed to still corrupt a clone, but also leave the original functioning?
A clone is not a good decision in my opinion. I'd much rather his spirit just be trapped somewhere or in something that can still manipulate people to do his bidding if he must be present in the story after Return of the Jedi.
If he possessed Luke at the end of the last Jedi because Lukes body is so strong the body would age normally then that would kind of make sense but Palpatine being a clone was just their easy way of getting out that Lucasfilm didn’t plan anything
If you fomt know what's going on after watching it twice, the writers probably didnt know either, and so it sounds like bad writing. I didnt watch the movie because the mere idea of bringing him back is beyond stupid, and the last jedi was... unbelievably disrespectful to the canon.
What I'm going with until it is contradicted somewhere is that when a Rule of Two Sith takes an apprentice, the two partake in a ritual that binds their souls. When the apprentice eventually kills the master, the master's soul (and therefore Force power) is transferred into the apprentice. Thus, the Sith grow progressively more powerful over the generations, resulting in Palpatine, the greatest Sith. But when Vader killed Palpatine, he had switched back over to the Light and killed Palpatine with no desire to take his power. Thus, lacking an apprentice to go to, the combined Sith souls went to Exegol, where the ritual was created. This amalgam spirit of all of the Rule of Two Sith was dominated by Palpatine's consciousness (as he was the last and most powerful) and so used that identity despite being more than Palpatine ever was. ("I am all the Sith" being fairly literal.) This amalgam was able to inhabit a cloned body, but not very well, and it was dependent on both Exegol's life support technology and its Dark Side energy to keep from fading away.
What the amalgam/Palpatine hoped to do was to get Rey to reproduce the master/apprentice ritual so that the amalgam ritual could transfer all of the 1,000 years' worth of Rule of Two Sith into her. (Whether this would possess her or merely give her the power is unclear, perhaps even to the amalgam.) However, this failed, and though the amalgam was able to empower itself by absorbing Rey and Ben's life forces, it was destroyed as Rey connected to the true Force and gained not just its strength, but the strength of every Jedi and non-Darksider who had ever died and become a part of the cosmic Force. With no apprentice to move to and Exegol's dark science facilities destroyed, the amalgam is out of ways to cheat death and finally fades away.
Some of that is "I think this is cool" (like the amalgam, rather than being just Palpatine), but some of that (like Palpatine trying to make Rey do a ritualized apprentice-kills-the-master thing) I am pretty confident was intended by the film.
Palpatine being a clone was obvious in the movie why is everyone shocked by this?
Defo clone is the best option, doesn’t make sense for an evil planning emperor to use cloning technology in the clone wars and never think to take it further for himself. That for me would be more odd.
Good point, but it shows how reliant Star Wars as a story is limited by it's own lore. Has to be a clone, had to bring Palps back in the first place... it's frustrating
Same. Even if it wasn't his preferred choice, the man has backup plans galore. It makes sense for this to be one of them.
It's the best possible solution they could have come up with. Hell, even the blue gas thats emitted when palpatine fell into the shaft makes sense now because it was the exact moment the essence transfer happened
@@Seripmac it makes sense, but that doesnt mean its a satisfying story choice
@@patrickramseyart exactly, Palpatine knew what happened to first Death Star. He wouldn't be on the second Death Star unless he had a backup plan.
Q&A How do u and Mollie feel about Rey taking the name Skywalker at the end of the movie? & how do u feel about Snoke being a clone too?? I've heard such mixed reviews and would love your input!!
It makes sense that Snoke was just a puppet for Palpatine. I liked it
Rey couldn't possibly take the name Palpatine, he's pretty much space-wizard hitler. It also makes sense 4 her to carry on the Skywalker legacy, I like the theme of your family's who u meet on the way, not just the ones ur born with, so it doesn't bother me like it does others. Snoke being a deformed clone of Palpatine, that sht fuqqs me up, Idk how that could possibly be the case considering the last 2 novelizations elude 2 him being an ancient being, or atleast a clone of am ancient being. Clone was kinda a cop out, but making him a deformed clone of Palpatine is the biggest fuqqin cop out and it kinda upsets me. We waited half a decade 4 these answers, but the 2 books directly contradict each other😤
Snoke being a clone was hiariously stupid, especially when you see the big vat of Snokes floating around; why would you make a clone look all deformed and shit?! Speaking of, what is he a clone of exactly? Palpatine? Why doesn't he look like Sheev then? Is it some sort of lost art that only the Kaminoans could accomplish?
Rey Skywalker is a fine idea to be honest, and effectively ties up the central theme of the sequel trilogy (it's not about your blood but who you are as a person; Rey will use the Skywalker name in a more positive and constructive manner than either Anakin or Ben could). It's always however in the execution, and that's sorely lacking in that final scene, plus the idea that she would go to Tatooine is strange.
"Hyperspace in a dangerous way" Maybe lots of Holdo Maneuvers?
If your going to being Palpatine back. There's only so many ways to do it. A Clone makes sense, and I like it.
If they're going to do that, why not just use Dark Empire as source material? It's clearly the better story and does OT characters justice compared to the way the sequel trilogy just fed them into a wood chipper.
Hans Klamp exactly what I was thinking
@Κώστας Παπαναστασίου Kathleen Kennedy famously said there was no SW source material to draw from because she decannonized the Expanded Universe, turning it into Star Wars: Legends. But yes, it seems they drew from it anyway. They just won't acknowledge it publically.
@@ProfessorKlamp thats unfair. fark empire didnt just do the ot characters justice they were the main characters. if you choose to do new characters you cant tell the dark emnpire story line.
Hans Klamp They wanted to bring Palpatine back and explain Snoke and his origins in the same movie. If they went with the Dark Empire style cloning we wouldn’t have an explanation for why Snoke looks as broken down as he does or a way to fill in the plot hole for why Force users aren’t cloned more frequently or weren’t cloned in the Clone Wars or why people don’t try to clone old villains to bring them back. This explanation explains why we don’t see dark side Force user clones popping up all the time.
Q&A: Do you guys always wear StarWars clothes or is it just during your videos?
Kevin T probably always tbh unless it’s a formal occasion obviously
Hey, he had an interest in cloning ever since the Zillo Beast. Baby Yoda was seemingly a target for cloning experiments from the Empire. The connections are there, if they choose to make them.
Don't forget the entire Clone Army of the Republic. People might think it is "stupid", but "Attack of the Clones" established the precedent for how it is used in the franchise. Clones being considered "sons" of their genetic template.
Let's not forget the shenanigans Legends got up to without "Attack of the Clones". Back then, cloning was like a plot device based on the single line reference in "A New Hope". Thrawn needs a quickly created army to man a conveniently lost, computer-slaved fleet of Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruisers? Spaarti Cloning that can grow clones in less than a year, teach them all they know with "flash training", and a Ysalamir cutting the clone's connection to the Force accelerating the process to the span of three weeks for an insta-army.
Palpatine used the same cylinders for his own clones in Dark Empire, and a Dark Jedi Clone also used Luke's severed hand to create an "evil clone" of Luke called Luuuke. So...Yeah.
Oh, I so hope the Mandalorian doesn't even remotely touch this.
@@Catalyst375 Luuuke.... What the hell were those guys thinking when they wrote those stories? 😂
Q/A: Snoke said “it was I who bridged your minds” referring to the connection between Kylo Ren and Rey.
Was he lying? If so, how did he know they were connecting? If not, how would he even know who Rey is?
Did he know they were a Force Dyad?
To add onto that, if Snoke bridged there minds than how did Palpatine not know about it until the finale of episode 9?
@@weaver8874 Pretty sure Palpatine did know about it. Presumably just didn't know how developed it was between them, but what makes you think he didn't know about the dyad? It's likely that he originally planned Anakin to form a dyad too.
Boristien405 at the end of 9 Sidious seemed utterly surprised they were a Dyad when he drained a bit of their life force, he remarked in puzzlement “... a Force Dyad....?!”
Then proceeded to Unlimited Power their life force to drain them fully.
@@weaver8874 Snoke probably had the intention to betray Palpatine. He probably kept the information of the force dyad away from Palpatine so he could not use to his advantage.
The YA Novel conversation reminds me of how people dismiss animated shows as being for children, when they're just as good, if not better than non-animated shows.
Q&A: What do you think the leaked Star Wars: Project Maverick game will be about?
About how EA will cancel it most likely
@@blackbird7781 man the instant EA hate is getting old lol. they showed they can do with fallen order so give um a chance lol
@@rigby117 they cancelled a star wars game even after Jedi Fallen Order, so no. Its gonna stick
@@rigby117 Fallen order was good because of Respawn DESPITE EA. Battlefront sucked, Battlefront 2 launched in shit shape, and they've cancelled a handful of potentially great games. Don't be so ignorant.
@@rigby117
Fallen order almost didn't happen
Love you guys, I appreciate all the great content!
I'm OK with Palpatine returning as a clone. It happened in legends so I'm cool with it, and also Dark Empire was great
What are your thoughts on Project Meverick?
Q&A: 2 questions do you think the bad batch executed order 66 or do you think they Were smart enough to break the spell. My second question is do you think echo executed order 66 or do you think it got damaged when he got blown up at the Citadel.
I like both of these questions, the second one slightly more. It got me thinking if a clone suffered some form of blunt trauma to the head if it would activate the chip or damage it so that it never activates. I hope Alex and Mollie read your questions and answer them.
Q&A: Do you think we'll eventually get to the point where the High Republic Era and the Prequel Era will seemlessly merge?
200 years of storytelling, would be great. Imagine, a Rogue One for Episode I withe the final scene being Qui-gon and Obi-Wan leaving on their Cunsular-class for Naboo.
@@artfact2 That's what I want Star Wars to be going forward. A huge epic chronicling the history of this fictional galaxy. I just jope we'll eventually jump back into the future at some point.
I thought it was obvious. That said, now that it's confirmed along with when/how he transferred, I'm loving TRoS even more than I already did. I can't wait to see how this whole cloning thing plays out with Baby Yoda... Which it will.
I just want to say I think you guys have the best Star Wars content on YT. You both are always very measured and level-headed in your response. Not overly negative or critical - you will share your opinion on what works and doesn't for you, but it always comes from a place of respect. I appreciate that, because there is way too much hateful stuff out there for the sake of just being overly hateful.
I wonder if Snoke was originally intended to be a recipient for Palpatine's Essence Transfer but all attempts failed.
Wasn't that the reason behind all the hubbabaloo behind that black ring Snoke wore on his finger? Well, thanks to JJ and Rian, it simply doesn't matter.
@Felix B can't fault Jar-Jar Abrams for attempting to redeem himseld by fixing Rian Johnson's screwups.
@Felix B Everything in episode 9 was as a result of JJ attempting to undo what Rian did in an attempt to get the story back on the path he intended on it going. Rian killing Snoke left a hole in the role of the big bad dude *(couldn't be Kylo cuz JJ wanted to redeem him and you can't redeem someone who willingly chooses to rule space Nazis off their own free will)* and since there wasnt enough time to introduce a whole new villain in charge he decided to bring Palpatine back, and to do that he needed to bring him back in a way that made it feel like he was behind the entire trilogy all along, which is why Snoke was turned into Palpatine's puppet
"One of the big complaints about KOTOR is the technology of 4,000 years before is so similar to the technology we see in the movies"
I've actually always loved this. Star Wars is more fantasy than science fiction, and in fantasy the technology does tend to remain pretty static (Lord of the Rings)
OMG... this is the best explanation of YA that I have heard. Most people think that YA means books for kids but in reality it is about Young Adults and has some often VERY adult subject matter.
This
17:00 the stuff fan-fics are made for
What if Snoke was a Frankenstein’s monster of sorts, created by Darth Plagueis and Sidious before cloning him as an experiment for cloning himself (Sidious) at a later date?
To see if the midichlorians can transfer from one organic vessel to an identical one.
Circa 42 BBY Plagueis and Sidious create Snoke and in response the Force strikes back by creating Anakin Skywalker.
Three beings born around the same time: one for the dark (Snoke), one for the light (Baby Yoda) and one for balance (Anakin Skywalker).
My current theory (since there doesn't seem to be anything official) is that Snoke is part of a long line of caretakers/guardians of Exegol, pledged to serve the true Sith Lords. When Palpatine says "I made Snoke", that isn't literally true (Snoke has guarded Exegol far longer than Palpatine has been alive), but Palpatine is responsible for Supreme Leader Snoke, giving the Exegol guardian a name and tasking him with leaving Exegol and ruling the First Order in his place (since the revived Palpatine could not leave Exegol himself). The Snoke clones are either how the guardian has existed for so many years or a hastily-made attempt at restoring Snoke before Palpatine gave up and announced himself properly.
Michael Ramon ooh I like this theory, since I’m sure when TFA was released they hinted that Snoke was ancient (not sure if it was implied that he was over a thousand years old, but that’s what I remember). That coincides well with your theory because what if the Sith Eternal was a part of Darth Bane’s grand plan? A thousand years before the movies he placed Snoke in charge of maintaining the Sith Eternal until the day a Dark Lord of the Sith would return to Exogel and lead the Sith Eternal to their long awaited revenge upon the galaxy. Perhaps Snoke held the secret to eternal physical life (of a sort) through essence transfer in direct contrast to what Qui-Gon learns about living eternally as an individual conscience within the Force.
This info that the Emperor in Rise of Skywalker is a clone was explained in the movie.
The 1st explanation was when we see clones of Snoke in a bacta chamber, I understood that we were in a very low tech crudely designed cloning laboratory.
Then Kin (Pippin) in a later scene answers the question as to how the emperor came back with "Dark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew".
So there you have it, he answered the question that the emperor came back as a clone using dark science and dark side sith force powers.
I believed it when Kin said it, and it answered the question while I was watching the movie. The emperor was a clone in 'Rise of Skywalker' was not new information. The filmmakers wanted you to walk out of the theater knowing that info; I sure did.
You could have missed it, or not put the two together, but the explanation was there.
Mandalorians would be lawful neutral, they aren’t good or evil just concerned with themselves, and they traditionally follow a strict code of honour .
I would've liked to see a connection between Palpatine and season 4 of rebels. At the end of rebels, he literally had the entire lothal jedi temple inside thrawn's star destroyer. It's definitely possible he would've had something similar inside the death star. I like to think he was able to access the world between worlds at some point and pull himself out, just maybe not as successfully as Ezra pulling Ashoka out, leaving him even more deformed than before. Maybe when Vader threw him down the big hole he was able to pull himself out of that moment at a previous point in time, making operation cinder make a lot more sense. That makes a lot more sense to me than him just being a clone with no explanation
If they changed up the Plagueis novel, changing things like how Dooku left the order and Jorus C’baoth to get it to fit into canon, that would be amazing.
In the early days of aviation, before GPS was a thing, aircraft had to navigate along airways which generally originated and terminated at a ground-based radio navigation aid. Maybe Starlight station acts similar to this? Ships navicomputers don’t have the ability to calculate random jumps, so they rely on these beacons to get from A to B.
I think that the best way to introduce Tenebrous and Plagueis would be by introducing them as background characters under their real names. A Bith scientist named Rugess Nome here, a Muun banker named Hego Damask there, and so on. It would be the perfect hint that they're around, but without really commiting to them in any fashion.
I think cloning in Star Wars is like how some movies use time travel as a way to get out of a corner. On contrary, they can be used correctly. For example, the clone troopers in the prequels, they were written as a key element of the story like how in Back to the Future, time travel was how the story was told.
The entire point of killing Snoke off in TLJ was to do away with the trope of an old, decrepit arch-villain and tell a more dynamic story. TROS completely trashed that and rendered the sacrifices made in TLJ useless. TLJ was painful to watch because we had to witness our OT heroes fail after all they had been through- but that gave the ST a reason to exist: Repeating the past, i.e. the Jedi and Republic, was a mistake because these institutions were inherently corrupt. TROS could have continued in this vein, and showed a reconciliation between Rey and Kylo, where they embrace the force diad and exile themselves to mortis (or something) in a John-117-esque "wake me when you need me" moment. Instead, we got Palpatine's distasteful and convoluted return, and literally the same ending as ROTJ. If you're going to make a sequel trilogy, it needs to have something unique to say, as ROTJ was a very good ending. TFA and TLJ had set an interesting precedent for this to happen, and TROS derailed it. This is why, IMO, TROS is the worst Star Wars film ever made, among other reasons.
Agreed, Lucasfilm's whole attitude after the backlash of TLJ calling the fans out for not liking was annoying, but they went ahead and ended trying to make amends which made the story ill-paced and just bad. They should've proven us all wrong by going and following through their plot line they laid out in TLJ.
Honestly I don't know why they thought going in on a new trilogy without any plan was a good idea? We live the in post-MCU world, they should've known that fans are expecting planned storyline now
@@linkaran512 nah what happened was when JJ got back for 9 and saw what Rian Johnson did he was like "well shit how am I supposed to undo everything that he did and make a new villian and end the trilogy all within 3 hours" and so we got this
This is why I loved TLJ so much
@@linkaran512 Not sure that setting the MCU as the paradigm for SW films is a good idea....SW is based on myth, its not a superhero film. I think the bigger issue was remaking the OT nearly verbatim. TFA isn't a bad film, but it set a dangerous precedent with its overt familiarity to ANH.
@@somehaloguy9372 Disagree. You and many other fans seem to be dead-set on the idea that there has to be a certain type of villain in SW at all times.
Q&A: why is there a High Republic Jedi in the art that has a white lightsaber? She looks to young to have been alive when the Sith were still present. So she couldn’t of purified that crystal unless that saber or the crystals in it were passed down.
Could be very light blue like the one really old Jedi master in TCW
Jack Marlow
possibly but I always thought his was white too, and the Jedi Master’s name is Tera Sinube
@@cooltriplets_2 I think it was originally intended to look more white but the new Canon just made it a light blue. I can't imagine the Clone Wars animaters purposely making a Jedi blade look that different unless it was supposed to hint at something more than it just being "a very light blue"
Q&A: What do you expect at celebration? And what do you hope for in an ideal world?
My headcanon - Snoke was a sick Palpatine/Plagueis clone hybrid experiment which could explain his crazy dark side abilities and how he witnessed the rise and fall of the Empire...he looks like a physical mashup between the two, so at this point, why not...
What if the title of the Plagious book is, “The Tragedy of Darth Plagious the Wise”?
I would love for there to be a series about the Coruscant underworld police, in the style of Blade Runner.
I honestly wanted Palps to come back as some sort of malevolent spirit that had been pulling the strings rather from the afterlife like being Vader’s voice tempting and directing Ben into dark actions rather than just the clone
That would've been better, yes. So would have The Last Jedi being a nightmare that Ghost-Palp trapped Luke in.
We've seen that sort of thing happen with the likes of Lord Momin. It would be a nice way to show how fruitless it is for Sith to look for life after death if Palpatine figures it out, but is then defeated and gone for good with the help of Jedi force ghosts.
They could have made Kylo into sort of a CCA-era Char, like, have him be the main antagonist, but also have him be really conflicted and actually not wanting to outright KILL the protagonists
He doesnt want to kill Rey throughout the whole movie. What more do you want? Him being the only bad guy in TROS wouldnt have made sense.
@@Seripmac He doesn't want to kill Rey, doesn't mean he doesn't want rule and destroy the Resistance. I mean that's Vader's arc in the last two Original movies. It can make sense you just need a good writer to make it work. You can be care about someone and still do evil things. Kylo should've been the main villian because that's what they set up, backtracking was a mistake and hurt this movies pacing and really undoes a lot of the Anakin's story and purpose.
Thanks, Mollie! Thanks, Alex! ♊
If both Kenobi and the Cassian series are successful, what else would you like to become Disney+ shows? I really hope that somehow they get a Solo sequel series with Alden Ehrenreich and Donald Glover back.
Q/A Snook was a clone experiment of Palp, if that's true how was he also and ancient being?
Maybe it's like Warhammer and without a "beacon" a ship going into hyperspace is flying blind. So by the time of the Skywalker Saga, the technology had been developed so that a "beacon" is no longer necessary.
I really would of loved if Palpatine for years and years was struggling to creep back to life as an object or so in the Death Star and Kylo Ren becomes so "edgy" he believes he is the true chosen one and he goes to completely eliminate Palpatine in a quick scene that is scary and comedic at the same time showing Kylo's "edge"
Maybe the tech level of hyper space travel during the high republic, is comparable to the Wild West and trains. There’s an element of danger from bandits, slow but more effective than the older modes of transport available, and railroads went all over the place and were really important for supply transporting.
I personally think the Anakin and Padmé thing was the worst kept secret. I mean that look in RotS was that of "I was hoping that wasn't true"
Nice Mission to Zyxx t-shirt. One of my favorite podcasts!
Same!!
I feel like Palpatine has seemingly always been obsessed with cloning. From the clones to the Zillo beast to (possibly) Baby Yoda and now himself and Snoke. Since they didn't provide an explanation in movie *sigh* Palpatine cloning himself seems like the best option to me
The son being a clone seems like a real stretch. The book has to do a helluva job making sense of it all.
Q/a
Do you think we will see the Colossus or other refueling ships like them that are still around during the high republic?
Q&A: Have their been any release dates for the marvel or idw high republic comics?
Q&A why didn’t the Empire use Interdictor Cruisers for the Battle of Hoth.
Hi, Alex! Congratulations on your Innergeekdom win! That was a great battle! I'm impressed that you rocked Harry Potter. Hope you'll do more Shmoedowns in the future! I'll be rooting for you.
(Tell me you gonna smash that little punk who rained on your parade at the end!)
Q&A, would you prefer if The Old Republic coming after the High Republic show or movies would be CGI animated, hand drawn animated, or live action?
Gary Pfeiffer I don’t think they could do the old republic without a reboot you know because it’s turning a series of games into movies and also those games are more a personal journey then a movie you know because games have interactive and the movies can only provide nostalgia otherwise it’s not new or original unless they do a new spin on the games but also the games have more time then the movies also we know almost everything about that era
@@randomgamer625 hey now, no offense intended, but i want to here the Q&A say about it. Besides I love the original cast of Satele Shan, Darth Malgus, Kira Carsen, Jedi master Orgis Din, Dr. Tarnis, etc. I'd love it if their voice actors came back for them. How about you?
Gary Pfeiffer I just wanted to say my thoughts on it don’t take it so personal also I don’t really want them back or care because I’m not a fan of nostalgia bating sounds like a corporate soulless decision to make also i already love the characters and know there stories and can see them anytime I want in the mmo so I don’t really care if they come back or not if they do that’s cool if they don’t I still have the free game and can say hi as much as I want
I think that if we do see Vader in the Kenobi stuff, it will be as a flashback to pre-suit Vader on Mustafar, a news announcement, a nightmare, or all three. I doubt we'll see him in person.
Which future project are you the most fearful of not being good?
Q&A: People often talked about how the Jedi betrayed their role as peacekeepers and protectors during the Clone Wars by taking up the mantles of General on behalf of the Republic, but it seems like their peacekeeping activities have always been on behalf of the Republic, like Obi-Wan indicated. Should the Jedi be a truly neutral Force during their peacekeeping activities so they are not swayed one way or another by pre-existing relationships?
Hyperspace is probably the same, but the hyperspace lanes were not fully mapped out by the Republic, although if it's thousands of years old that should NOT be the case unless the endless cycle of wars caused the maps to be repeatedly lost or corrupted.
To be fair, we have seen many examples of places that should be on the maps, but simply aren't for various reasons.
The Jedi would be able to detect and navigate them using the Force, but non force users would require beacons to know where hazards like gravity wells or black holes, and gaps in the lanes were, and where lanes interconnected. If you take out or move those beacons, you could wreak havoc on space travel, leading targets to your ambush points, enemies into stars or black holes.
I'm hoping it's something like that, and not some centuries too soon gravity well generator tech like we see on Interdictors.
But man, Alex just seems bummed at all this news. The incessant nerd rage (not Alex's) is what brought all this on us, and in a way, Disney got the last laugh. People wanted more Legends elements and weren't happy with the new trilogy. So the House of Mouse says, "fine, if it'll make you feel better, here." and promptly shoves a big heaping spoonful of Dark Empire down everyone's throats. Some are fine with it, some are bummed, and some are just so done with them they're just like "Meh, it fits better than him surviving the explosion. Back to watching The Clone Wars."
Lol! Hand crank star fighters ....you guys are killing me! Too funny.
Where does the cassian andor tv series take place and do you guys think possible we could see him and han solo team up together
Q/A: where do Inquisitors get their lightsabers from? Do they make them themselves or does the Empire just have them and Vader gives them out to each new Inquisitor?
In Fallen Order we see Trilla lose her saber to Cal and then in the next fight she has a new one so does the Empire just make spare sabers for them and also who bleeds the crystals?
In one of the High Republic Art pieces revealed, there is a Bith Jedi with a purple lightsaber. Recently the name Darth Tenebrous was made canon by the rise of skywalker visual novel. Considering in legends Tenebrous was a Bith, the timeline would match up according to legends, and users of purple lightsabers tend to have darkside tendencies, do you think its possible we could see this Jedi be or become Darth Tenebrous?
What do you think about the bad batch becoming scar squad theory?
Q&A: Do you think Darth Bane would make for a good Disney + series? Best sith story IMO
Regardless of what people think of this, what I don't get is how people who got the book early were able to just snap pictures of the text and reveal new plot points. Aren't there NDAs or embargos for stuff like this?
If each reveal didn't come out and get covered by sites like Screen Rant, people online wouldn't be stewing on it so hard. If we found out at launch, we'd cover it once and move on. Also, it's not Lucasfilm or Rae Carson who are drip-feeding this information. It's those websites. To me, the idea that the creatives need to "stop announcing information" is fake news because they're not.
Ideas are hard to contain once they're released into the world in any form. And fresh news on any topic people will tune into is the new digital currency in this information age. Channels like this one are a natural product of this. And if this channel didn't cover it, surely another would soon enough.
Well Palpatine did say in The Clone Wars that he had a vision of an army of Sith so it would make sense for the Sith Cultists and the multiple versions of Sith (Plagueis & Sidious) they tried to clone. Maybe the Sith Cultists did try to make other Sith, but failed especially since they know Revan, Bane, Plagueis' master, and etc?
I expected a different result from Palpatine's vision, but visions are never clear and are always misinterpreted.
I hope you can elaborate more what means a "dyad in the force". What can you do with it besides teleporting lightsabers out of nothing or chatting? Is there another example in the new canon?
What if the Nihl tame Purgil to travel through hyperspace?
We need a High Republic RPG!
Q/A Do you think its possible that the story group would continue the post rotj legends?
Snoke = A being who was possessed by Darth Plagueis, through Sith sorcery...thus, Palpatine's Master found a way to cheat death.
I wonder if they'll pull a retcon and make Hondo a descendent of the Nihil...
I was hoping that Palpatine combined Sith teachings with Nightsister magicks since we know he took advantage of Talzin’s knowledge before their falling out. Still, I don’t hate transferring his essence into clones.
Talzin did that in a comic. She transferred her essence into Dooku and used his body to fight Sidious so it technically still could be considered more of a Nightsister trick
Q&A Do you think it is necessary to have Cannon games? I can understand cannon books and comic books as tie-in stories or expand characters' backgrounds but games should be free in terms of what you can do or imagine.
Nice Mission to Zyxx shirt Alex!
Did Han Solo know Ben was going to kill him out on the bridge when he gave him his lightsaber because the way he looks at his son gives me those vibes
What’s next for the movies
I haven’t had time to watch your huge discussion video but what are you MOST EXCITED FOR to see in the High Republic stories?!?!
I believe they created the Nihil because it's a completely new thing. Using Mandalorians would be too familiar, too conected to both TCW and Mandalorian shows. And, I think in that point in time (200 years past) the mandalorians are already moving to more peaceful ways. I don't see that people doing a great disaster so close to the Prequels.
Q: Why do all the villians in Star Wars wear helmets? Vader, Stormtroopers, Kylo Ren, the Mandalorians, the Nhial - they all wear helmets. Is it to protect their eyes from lightsabers?
It's an artistic style choice, to show that they're coldblooded.
The essence transfer happened and like mollie said the clone body to weak to handle the essence.
Well my head cannon will follow the path of the sith cultist doing some sort of night sister chanting to keep palpatine “force powers” and “soul” into clone bodies.
I mean they were doing that the vibe in the movie like they chanting a ritual.
Maybe it is the case but I haven’t read it yet.
Honestly, I was hoping Palpatine had placed his essence in Vader's mask and that's why Kylo had it. Thinking it was Vader. When it was actually Palpatine speaking to him, and part of his final training was to go to Vaders Castle and basically do what Momin did in the comics to Vader.
In turn would bring Palpatine back.
That was my personal wish
I think hyperdrives will only be possible in larger ships, and starfighters won't be able to use them
Q: Why do you think Palpatine didn't speak with his established "emperor voice" in Episode 9? Was he just faking it all the time before?
what?
At least we didn't see him jump from clone to clone like in dark empire
Q/A: Do you think Maul was planning to kill Ezra after he dealt with Obi-Wan?Ezra’s visions have Maul telling him he will die; and Maul seemed more threatening toward Ezra the way he said, “See you soon apprentice,” the last time they spoke.
I wonder if we will see the mando-jedi in the high republic stories 🤔
Fenn Rau stated in Rebels that Tarre Vizsla lived over 1,000 years before the rise of the Empire.
The High Republic takes place only 200 years before the prequels, which is centuries after Vizsla's time.
@@CouncilCape897 I forgot that :(
Do you think this is the new Hyperspace Wars?
Q&A: Why did several Jedi think that *Sith Emperor Vitiate* could be redeemed to the light side in the Jedi Knight storyline of SWTOR?
The reasons this confuses me are because:
A) Vitiate was able to drain the life of entire planets.
B) Like Palpatine, he was an embodiment of the Dark Side.
C) Also like Palpatine, Vitiate was an eldritch abomination in 'human' form.
Agree with Alex that I just wasn't thrilled about Sidious returning and that they should have focused on Rey and Kylo in the last film. The extra cloning stuff etc. Doesn't really bother me because I don't like the entire concept of bringing him back. I guess the highlight of that movie is canonizing Revan, even if it's just in name.
Darth Plagueis should have been the sequel trilogy baddie. Would have made for a much more interesting story. What if he faked his own death because he wanted to spend his time delving further into the Force, but Palpatine's failure has now brought him out of the shadows?
Q&a, 200 years, Chewie is 190yo, perhaps the Yoda and Tarfur adventures?
It would be nice to see Yoda and Tarful working together. But he is the chieftain, it might not be easy to just leave his world all the time.
I gotta say, I think that the notion of filling in a film's plot gaps through future books, comics, etc. seems like..ahem, the dark side of canon. We can't have that become a trend. Luckily, with all of this planning going on, I'm less worried about that prospect.
Q&A How do you guys feel about Legends stuff being recycled in TFA and TROS, but not in TLJ? I thought this made epVIII soo much better and more interesting than the other two.
Isabela Sabbatini The more they recanonize, the better it all gets.
Dawn of the Jedi: Into the Void, is set 25,000 BBY and the Jed'aii(jedi) only travel in 1 star system and use enhanced swords instead of lightsabers... hopefully the high republic doesn't make SW too primitive so close to the Skywalker Saga. We need room for more history.
Q&A will Jorus C'Boath ever be made canon again
Let's hope not he was the definition of power crazed Jedi. He'd make the likes of Pong Krell seem like a child having a temper tantrum.
Alex, you don't have to hem and haw. It didn't work to bring Palpatine back.
-There's too much baggage that comes with him returning.
-His plan makes no sense.
-It was shoehorned in to somehow make Rey Palpatine make some semblance of sense.
-Him being a clone doesn't change any of that.
-There were other ways you could have gone with the big bad of IX, as Colin Trevorrow proved.
Palpatine's return certainly isn't what I would have done (as a physical body, at least), but I think it ultimately worked out. It's not that his plan makes no sense, as it appears to me (having seen the film three times) it's just that his plan is entirely different than the first plan he (mostly) successfully orchestrated during the Clone Wars.
His whole thing then was to use the existing political strife of the day to turn the Republic into an autocracy, and in so doing wipe out the Jedi Order (essentially _the_ Sith plan of old) and install a new Sith Empire that maintains the illusion of political solvency (as opposed to a religious/outright evil dominion). The Galactic Empire was just a front that he used to advance Sith principles throughout the galaxy. His genius was using politics to mask the whole thing, never making his true intentions known even to his subjects. That's why he was so successful.
But he never completely stamped out the Jedi. They managed to persist, and their prophesied Chosen One became his undoing due in no small part to his incredible hubris. And so his empire collapsed, in spite of all his ingenious scheming.
That should have been the end of his story, as the Sith are not able to manifest their own personalities after death. They become one with the Force, as everything does, but they exist in its darker places (hence 'I am all the Sith'). The Sith Eternal (again, this is as it appeared to me in the film) chose not to accept this. Through ancient Sith alchemy and magic (which we know Palpatine was a big fan of), they resurrected him. But resurrection doesn't work -- this is a common trope in fiction. It's unnatural and therefore unsustainable. A resurrected Palpatine was doomed from the beginning.
But Palpatine _wants_ to exist eternally, and he knows within the dark side of the Force itself is how best (and, now, the only way) to do that. He didn't ask to be resurrected, it was done _to_ him. Therefore, he crafts a new plan. He does use the few political fissures in existence to help, by installing Snoke and causing a very distracting struggle that ensures the demise of the New Republic. But his real goal this time is not politics. He only needed that the first time because he, himself, would have been at the top of the hierarchy. Now the hierarchy will be dominated by someone else, and to Palpatine this means he doesn't need the pretense of a legitimate government.
So he plans to give it to his granddaughter. By becoming one with the Force through the ancient ritual of murder by apprentice, he will turn her. Then the Sith (not himself) will rule undisputed. This will also have the added bonus of corrupting the literal last Jedi in existence. He builds her an unstoppable armada while everyone is distracted by the First Order to ensure a swift takeover and the establishment of this empire, and tasks Kylo Ren (once he proves himself worthy by murdering Snoke) with bringing her to him. Kylo Ren was as much his pawn as Dooku was. Utterly disposable, useful only so far as Ben's obsession with power would serve him.
But, a twist. The dyad was a surprise to him. When he discovered it, everything changed. He suddenly realised that he could restore himself to the height of his power and take the helm of this new eternal Sith order personally. Given that he is remarkably self-obsessed, he goes for it. The rest, as they say, is history: Rey defeats him in this second bid for power _along with_ the Sith Eternal who had the means to resurrect him. Ben returns to the light, and balance is restored once more.
That was very long, but I think his plan is a legitimate one. It was just different, literally from the shadows and totally unexpected.
I think a mistake we keep making in reference to his plan in the Sequel Trilogy is assuming that it's just a continuation of his first scheme. It isn't. It's new.
Yeah i usually defend the sequel films but.... clone palpatine? Really?
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This last movie was the saddest attempt at even I can't figure it out. Why did Rey go to Tatooine? Mandalorian, Rogue 1 and Solo are classic Star Wars if Ya ask Mua.