As someone who’s taught and trained in Tae Kwon Do for almost 40 years I have to say that the current crop of schools and training is a real mixed bag. There are schools in South America , for example, whose practitioners can hang and bang with almost anyone. They welcome sparring against other styles as a means of improving. Then there are second dans from Korea that I’ve trained that couldn’t fight their way out of a paper bag. I have to say though, the black belts in this video have good kicks, but really poor self defense routines and ideas. Instead of abondoning their style I would recommend they study some boxing and bjj and then incorporate it into their style. I supplemented my old school TKD w boxing after knee surgery 10 years ago. The benefits were immense.
Altough I am training Taekwon-DO with Pablo Trategmber group, I still think Taekwon-do ITF must be one, not divided in there organizations . However I admire all the members from Taekwon-do which is being leaded by Mr. Chang Hum, Thanks for the video. Teakewon.
Los combates modelo (28:40) parecen una combinación del yakusoku kumite del karate do avanzado, y de las maniobras de lucha libre de enmascarados. Ahí el TKD retorna a su orígenes chinos.
Ill never understand how anyone could ever doubt the efficacy of TKD. The only good excuse is ignorance. Go research the Korean Tiger Division from the Vietnam War. Find you a ITF school practicing the original forms. You will see TKD in a new light I think
Mobum matsogi is traditional sparring? If so, what would be the difference between Mobum Matsogi and Prearranged Free Sparring? or Prearranged Free Sparring is Traditional Sparring?
Muy buen video explicativo estimado llauger, me gustaría hacer las siguientes consultas: Al saludo inicial, para no quedar desalineados el de mayor rango junta los pies izq. hacia el derecho para ejecutar el chariot?, y el de menor rango deberá indefectiblemente juntar el derecho hacia el izq. para no desalinearse?, otro detalle quien es el que arranca atacando en matsogui el de menor graduación?, pues en combinación de técnicas también? o hay comienza el de mayor rango para demostrar la técnica? Por último a la orden de "Ya" como la pronunciamos en español? dado que nosotros decíamos UNO o Kiap. Gracias por sacarme de estas dudas dado que difieren a como me las enseñaron.
itfLA de Argentina (Taekwon-Do ITF Federación Sede Corea en ARG) No. El atacante sea quien sea mueve el pie derecho y el defensor el izquierdo pues es el protocolo de tkd que se empieza el primer ataque con el lado derecho y la primera defensa con el lado izquiero. En lo que tiene que ver el rango es en el saludo quien se baja y sube primero, saludos.
ICAMPR Bien, por lo tanto no importa si es de mayor o menor rango el que comienza, pues el video quedaba un poco confuso. por cierto felicitaciones por el nacimiento de tu hija.
No puesto que de igual manera cada uno tendra que tomar el rol de atacante en alun momento y es ahí, donde te tocaría usar el lado derecho y viceversa con el lado izquiero para defender. Gracias por las felicitaciones. Taekwon.
A bit of advice.. learn lots of styles.. there are lots out there and if you learn one of the softly softly styles, you will be hurt.. badly. IE throw one of those punches I will break your arm, I'll check you kicks and you'll feel the check for months.. I trained bone to bone for years.. it hurt then.. alot.. now I fear no one. Do boxing, Jujitsu(original Japanese), BJJ, Hapkido, Know the structures of Tae, karate and kungfu but don't hang around in them.. they will corrupt your style and just make you strong in areas that really aren't necessary.. And most important of all.. study muay thai.. if you come up against some one with one month training in muay thai and you know nothing.. you will get hurt.. Best attitude in life is a peaceful one.. but if you need to rumble.. ya gots to have the goods.. not this
Jujitsu(original japanese)........uhh what do u mean original jujitsu? there are literally hundreds of diffent "Jujutsu" systems in Japan and none do the same thing...Jujitsu is an umbrella term like "kung fu" and is not a system of style in of it self.
JHC! This is embarrassing to watch. A diluted slip slappy soft sport. Back in the day , this would have been full contact , blood , sweat and tears. I pity these guys meeting some hairy MF in real life. They will be taken down in seconds!
I'm a Taekwondo practitioner, and, as far as I know, it's not, at least at my Dojang. But Tkd is really good for 1 vs 1 combat, because it's 50% and 50%, what do I mean? It's 50 of kicks and 50 of fists, theoretically of course, it depends where you practice.
I respect ITF a lot, but I can't help to think that the free sparring (Jayu Matsogi) looks like bad kickboxing with very bad judo. Seems to me that they should approach it with less of a point sparring competition approach.
Azri Azhari The only videos I've seen General Choi doing the so-called "sine wave" never addressed it as sine wave. He was demonstrating how specific techniques work, which always requires exaggeration. I think a few of the students took it seriously and integrated an exaggeration into the art and gave it a nickname. But, in whomever's defense, maybe with his old age Choi adopted some crazy ideas. Regardless sine wave is bullcrap. It's a very new idea, if it isn't used in sparring WHY would it work in a fight. It's a terrible form of telegraphing. As an instructor in older style of ITF, I would say the techniques used here are pretty decent. Especially being under pressure of being filmed. The ITF adopted what I consider a girly uniform as well. Silk is for kung fu, not an art that was heavily influenced by Shotokan. If you don't think that's true just watch the first set of shotokan fighting forms. Ours almost mirror theirs. Coincidentally 2 of the 12 founders of the KTA held high ranks in shotokan. 2nd and 4th Dan if I remember correctly.
@@scarred10 I'm a WT practitioner main and a didn't understand sine wave, even looked down and insulted ITF at the idea of sine wave at first. But after trying ITF for a few years, I understood what sine wave is meant for. Sine wave is an exercise for one to understand how to drop their body weight into a technique, and the 'from relaxed to explosive power' aspect of a technique. Of course we don't use it in a real fight but it doesn't mean it serves no purpose. Now, after experiencing ITF from a few great grandmasters, asking how sine wave helps with fighting is like asking how does pushups help with boxing. To me they are the same feel of a question, the only difference is that more people know the answer to the latter.
@@AzriAzhari it's not intended to be a physical exercise,its part of the theory of power in ITF style and indeed it serves no purpose at all,its a complete waste of training time.It is nothing like push ups and boxing,push ups arent a technical exercise.
These exercises are used to develop balance, coordination, reflex, timing, and judgement of distance within less experienced students. They build the foundations for efficient movement in free sparring and ultimately a real world situation. Of course one would not do a complete blocking movement in a real situation because the timing would be bad. But that is why you move away from these techniques as you move up in rank. Not only that, but these movements help develops the tissue around the joints so that when true force is exerted, the practitioner is able to sustain a high level of intensity for longer durations, even over their lifetimes. That's why you see much older martial artists who still train and maintain a high level of skill. Which is something not seen often in people who begin exerting these forces in the infancy of their training. This principle applies to fighters and weight lifters alike.
its entirely useless,the sparring in tkd,except the final bit which by the way is not even part of ITF tkd.None of the prearranged stuff has any application to either sport or self defense .
we ITF 'ers learn these pre-arranged sparring techniques in order to show the correct technique and to show our understanding of the footwork and body positioning required to apply the techniques correctly (and safely), they are key to our grading syllabus. i hope you realise that this is not meant to be sparring or fighting but only meant to illustrate profficiency of technique in application and to be a memory test. And what do you mean that the last part is not part of ITF TKD - yes it is.
You are absolutely right my friend!I bet none of the creators of this stuff has ever been in a real fight- just sitting around and thinking about how it could be- like children then they started" i do this, then you do that........" However, this isnt about real fighting anyway.Its about how can i keep my blackbelts interest as long as possible not to leave my school!
Yes, this is a 'pet' topic of mine:- keeping and attracting students. it's about time we had a BruceLee/Jean Claude Van Damme iconic character to improve student take-up and retention. And armchair critics should try before they 'carp'. Any brave or scything comment on youtube is now regarded with contempt as it kind of 'proof' of the commentators inexperience.
As someone who’s taught and trained in Tae Kwon Do for almost 40 years I have to say that the current crop of schools and training is a real mixed bag. There are schools in South America , for example, whose practitioners can hang and bang with almost anyone. They welcome sparring against other styles as a means of improving. Then there are second dans from Korea that I’ve trained that couldn’t fight their way out of a paper bag. I have to say though, the black belts in this video have good kicks, but really poor self defense routines and ideas. Instead of abondoning their style I would recommend they study some boxing and bjj and then incorporate it into their style. I supplemented my old school TKD w boxing after knee surgery 10 years ago. The benefits were immense.
The first girl for sure was not a black belt
Altough I am training Taekwon-DO with Pablo Trategmber group, I still think Taekwon-do ITF must be one, not divided in there organizations . However I admire all the members from Taekwon-do which is being leaded by Mr. Chang Hum, Thanks for the video. Teakewon.
Pablo Trachtenberg?
Thats a rare expressive video about all kinds of sparring thank you for the greag effort 'Taekwon'
why the production team never brief them what to do before shoot? they seems unprepared for what to do in most of the time
Los combates modelo (28:40) parecen una combinación del yakusoku kumite del karate do avanzado, y de las maniobras de lucha libre de enmascarados. Ahí el TKD retorna a su orígenes chinos.
Why is the high section punch in 3 step directed above the head?
But ..... Nobody in history has ever attacked an opponent in the street in that manner of stance, technique!!
or any other traditional martial arts for that manner.
@@ICAMPR bitch ass😂😂pussy ass Boys like u make tkd look bad😭
muy bueno los video
Excellent video.
Ill never understand how anyone could ever doubt the efficacy of TKD. The only good excuse is ignorance. Go research the Korean Tiger Division from the Vietnam War. Find you a ITF school practicing the original forms. You will see TKD in a new light I think
Cuz nobody attacks like that in the street💀
Mobum matsogi is traditional sparring? If so, what would be the difference between Mobum Matsogi and Prearranged Free Sparring? or Prearranged Free Sparring is Traditional Sparring?
Muy buen video explicativo estimado llauger, me gustaría hacer las siguientes consultas:
Al saludo inicial, para no quedar desalineados el de mayor rango junta los pies izq. hacia el derecho para ejecutar el chariot?, y el de menor rango deberá indefectiblemente juntar el derecho hacia el izq. para no desalinearse?, otro detalle quien es el que arranca atacando en matsogui el de menor graduación?, pues en combinación de técnicas también? o hay comienza el de mayor rango para demostrar la técnica?
Por último a la orden de "Ya" como la pronunciamos en español? dado que nosotros decíamos UNO o Kiap.
Gracias por sacarme de estas dudas dado que difieren a como me las enseñaron.
itfLA de Argentina (Taekwon-Do ITF Federación Sede Corea en ARG) No. El atacante sea quien sea mueve el pie derecho y el defensor el izquierdo pues es el protocolo de tkd que se empieza el primer ataque con el lado derecho y la primera defensa con el lado izquiero. En lo que tiene que ver el rango es en el saludo quien se baja y sube primero, saludos.
ICAMPR Bien, por lo tanto no importa si es de mayor o menor rango el que comienza, pues el video quedaba un poco confuso. por cierto felicitaciones por el nacimiento de tu hija.
No puesto que de igual manera cada uno tendra que tomar el rol de atacante en alun momento y es ahí, donde te tocaría usar el lado derecho y viceversa con el lado izquiero para defender. Gracias por las felicitaciones. Taekwon.
Cool
This makes TKD look like a joke.
A serious overhaul in pressure tests is necessary.
master Mateo, great!!
A bit of advice.. learn lots of styles.. there are lots out there and if you learn one of the softly softly styles, you will be hurt.. badly. IE throw one of those punches I will break your arm, I'll check you kicks and you'll feel the check for months.. I trained bone to bone for years.. it hurt then.. alot.. now I fear no one. Do boxing, Jujitsu(original Japanese), BJJ, Hapkido, Know the structures of Tae, karate and kungfu but don't hang around in them.. they will corrupt your style and just make you strong in areas that really aren't necessary.. And most important of all.. study muay thai.. if you come up against some one with one month training in muay thai and you know nothing.. you will get hurt..
Best attitude in life is a peaceful one.. but if you need to rumble.. ya gots to have the goods.. not this
Jujitsu(original japanese)........uhh what do u mean original jujitsu? there are literally hundreds of diffent "Jujutsu" systems in Japan and none do the same thing...Jujitsu is an umbrella term like "kung fu" and is not a system of style in of it self.
That's complete nonsense, just learn to strike ,wrestle and groundfight any full contact sport arts will work,you dont t need lots of styles
Taekwondo is effective if taught by knowledgeable instructors
Shouldn't the hand techniques in Taekwondo and Karate preclude the need for boxing?
Bien muy bien
I used to do that
Wat made u stop?
JHC! This is embarrassing to watch. A diluted slip slappy soft sport. Back in the day , this would have been full contact , blood , sweat and tears. I pity these guys meeting some hairy MF in real life. They will be taken down in seconds!
Why are they shouting Kia when translated it means shout. Why shout ‘Shout’
Hübsche Dobok's
tkd is real for self defense ????????????????
+vipul thapliyal
when ignorance is really bold
I'm a Taekwondo practitioner, and, as far as I know, it's not, at least at my Dojang. But Tkd is really good for 1 vs 1 combat, because it's 50% and 50%, what do I mean? It's 50 of kicks and 50 of fists, theoretically of course, it depends where you practice.
It's getting better with the next comment from Edgar Villalba. *Facepalm*
I respect ITF a lot, but I can't help to think that the free sparring (Jayu Matsogi) looks like bad kickboxing with very bad judo. Seems to me that they should approach it with less of a point sparring competition approach.
well is free you do what you can do how can you do it
Duo
I have high respect for them being black belts but their movements are not the best. They lack the feel and purpose of sine wave
Azri Azhari The only videos I've seen General Choi doing the so-called "sine wave" never addressed it as sine wave. He was demonstrating how specific techniques work, which always requires exaggeration. I think a few of the students took it seriously and integrated an exaggeration into the art and gave it a nickname. But, in whomever's defense, maybe with his old age Choi adopted some crazy ideas.
Regardless sine wave is bullcrap. It's a very new idea, if it isn't used in sparring WHY would it work in a fight. It's a terrible form of telegraphing. As an instructor in older style of ITF, I would say the techniques used here are pretty decent. Especially being under pressure of being filmed. The ITF adopted what I consider a girly uniform as well. Silk is for kung fu, not an art that was heavily influenced by Shotokan. If you don't think that's true just watch the first set of shotokan fighting forms. Ours almost mirror theirs. Coincidentally 2 of the 12 founders of the KTA held high ranks in shotokan. 2nd and 4th Dan if I remember correctly.
Sine wave doesnt work in any situation its complete nonsense gen Choi pulled out of his ass.
@@scarred10 I'm a WT practitioner main and a didn't understand sine wave, even looked down and insulted ITF at the idea of sine wave at first. But after trying ITF for a few years, I understood what sine wave is meant for.
Sine wave is an exercise for one to understand how to drop their body weight into a technique, and the 'from relaxed to explosive power' aspect of a technique.
Of course we don't use it in a real fight but it doesn't mean it serves no purpose.
Now, after experiencing ITF from a few great grandmasters, asking how sine wave helps with fighting is like asking how does pushups help with boxing. To me they are the same feel of a question, the only difference is that more people know the answer to the latter.
@@AzriAzhari it's not intended to be a physical exercise,its part of the theory of power in ITF style and indeed it serves no purpose at all,its a complete waste of training time.It is nothing like push ups and boxing,push ups arent a technical exercise.
Sine Wave! lmao! It will get you hurt , very fast and very badly. Fact!
Ahhhhh yes, the Shotokan Karatre knockoff!!!!
ahhhh yes, Shotokan the Kung Fu knock off!!!!
yes I,m happy youre the master then.explane?
Lag motion only
Lag hand karate
This is a disgrace
What a waste.
These exercises are used to develop balance, coordination, reflex, timing, and judgement of distance within less experienced students. They build the foundations for efficient movement in free sparring and ultimately a real world situation. Of course one would not do a complete blocking movement in a real situation because the timing would be bad. But that is why you move away from these techniques as you move up in rank.
Not only that, but these movements help develops the tissue around the joints so that when true force is exerted, the practitioner is able to sustain a high level of intensity for longer durations, even over their lifetimes. That's why you see much older martial artists who still train and maintain a high level of skill. Which is something not seen often in people who begin exerting these forces in the infancy of their training. This principle applies to fighters and weight lifters alike.
@@davidfields22 u said all this but left out the most important thing,How to fight and how to defend yourself
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Pure horseshite.
its entirely useless,the sparring in tkd,except the final bit which by the way is not even part of ITF tkd.None of the prearranged stuff has any application to either sport or self defense .
we ITF 'ers learn these pre-arranged sparring techniques in order to show the correct technique and to show our understanding of the footwork and body positioning required to apply the techniques correctly (and safely), they are key to our grading syllabus.
i hope you realise that this is not meant to be sparring or fighting but only meant to illustrate profficiency of technique in application and to be a memory test.
And what do you mean that the last part is not part of ITF TKD - yes it is.
You are absolutely right my friend!I bet none of the creators of this stuff has ever been in a real fight- just sitting around and thinking about how it could be- like children then they started" i do this, then you do that........"
However, this isnt about real fighting anyway.Its about how can i keep my blackbelts interest as long as possible not to leave my school!
Yes, this is a 'pet' topic of mine:- keeping and attracting students.
it's about time we had a BruceLee/Jean Claude Van Damme iconic character to improve student take-up and retention.
And armchair critics should try before they 'carp'.
Any brave or scything comment on youtube is now regarded with contempt as it kind of 'proof' of the commentators inexperience.
althedirtbag you do realise chang hon taekwondo was developed in the oh do kwan on jeju island which was a military base ?
wot ?