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It's the way she comes in, already looking at her watch and glancing away like she has better things to do elsewhere. Then the condescending expression when she offers him "Gourmando" - like you're trying to pacify a child with a treat. I love that Connor, the least of the siblings, is able to cut straight through her hauteur and put her in her place. She really is just "doing what her dad tells her", but has managed to convince herself that she is a real boss. The sad thing is Shiv is a very intelligent woman. What holds her back is the constant need for her father's approval, and delusions of grandeur where she believes she is smarter than she really is. I'd love to see her character get knocked down a peg, learn from her mistakes and then really come back roaring as the powerhouse she could potentially be.
Shiv really thought she could come in with zero prior business experience and run a nearly 100 Billion dollar company. And people wonder why no one takes her seriously smh.
What's funnier is that her main defense in cruises was that she wasn't in the company and wasn't across the scandal, but then says she has enough experience to land the top job. I think Roman would be better, which is sad considering how immature he is. Shivan might've just been better at politics, and that is where she should've gone to. Roman had experience and went through their training program which Shivan did not too
Both Roman and Shiv are equally unqualified. Roman because he is a ticking time bomb of a PR disaster waiting to happen and Shiv for being manipulative person who thinks she is smarter than she is.
@@soyunpreditor50 Ehhh I don't think he should struggle. What defines Roman is that he has an innate talent for business and social acumen but having been born with privilege makes him a disaster because Rome never had to suffer the consequences of his actions.
Shiv should have stayed as a political operative. She's effective when she is working behind the scenes, but collapses when she is operating out front.
Connor seems to get a special pass from Logan, partly because he's not conspiring to overthrow him, but I think more over guilt about him being on the outskirts of the family.
This scene really shows how far Shiv has fallen down the pecking order and in everyone's eyes. Connor, the delusional, overprivileged, afterthought of all the siblings, still wipes the floor with her here. I also have a strong feeling that the worst is yet to come after her irrevocable attack on Kendall; he will wipe his tears and equally, if not more emphatically, wipe the floor with her as well.
If you ask me this season is the least delusional connor has been. Like the level of intelligence he has been showing the last couple of episodes are suprising. His finally acting like an adult and getting what he wants.
I think and believe Connor could become te succsor at this point! Connors backstory is that his mom had mental problems and that was the reason for Logan too break up with her. Connor thook care of his sick mother and that is the reason why he never worked in the company and why Logan gives him all the money. In the background Connor is the elder brother who is the caregiver, how he helps his girlfriend out with all the money, gave Roman some youth memmories.... But he knows when too stand up for himself...
She was in politics as a hardcore lobbyist prior to this though. Politics is cyclical and I think her play is to suck it up and find a week spot to swoop in. She's so arrogant that I doubt she'd waste time on this if she didn't have some agenda.
Connor legit sounds like trump in 2011 and guess what went down in 2016. The whole family except Logan and Kendall take Connor as some joke but they know he has talent when used properly he is savage can be the type of killer Logan likes.
Not really. Shiv's job here is to tell Connor "no". She does that. Connor whines and stomps his feet and threatens the family, but he leaves the room with nothing. At the start of the conversation he's offered an executive role at a major television network, but is so bad at negotiating that by the end of the conversation even that has been taken off the table. Connor's "leverage" is, at best, mutually assured destruction. Given that Logan chose to send his favorite son to prison rather than retire from his role, he doesn't seem like the kind of person who will lose that game of chicken. Not to mention that whatever Connor can accuse him of is certainly no worse than the accusations Logan is already publicly battling regarding his buddy Mo-Lester and the cruise rapes. If you think Connor won this interaction then you misunderstood the scene. He threw a temper-tantrum, showed his ass, and walked out of the room with nothing. The purpose of this scene is to show that Shiv is perceived as being weak to the point where even a powerless moron like Connor thinks he can push her around. But, you know, he can't.
@@rossvolkmann1161 nah she could have played him but she doesn’t have it in her. She has no grit. I’m sure Roman would have thrown some shit his way as a response rather than fold like Shiv.
That "let's stay civil" sounds desperate even if it wants to come across as tough and cynical. This episode really showed Shiv out of her element, and that was duly noted by Logan. Both Sarah Snook and Alan Ruck are brilliant in this scene.
The writers should have given Connor two kids, who are power hungry and plotting to take over grandpa Logan's empire. He is all alone in his corner. Despite their differences Shiv, Kendall and Roman will always stick together because they are full siblings.
Lol why add characters to the show and add another dynamic? Those characters would need in depth development and analysis which the show cannot afford to have.
I think Connor is ironically a very important character in terms of reminding the audience what they are watching for. If you had 4 siblings fighting over who got to be top billionaire it would be hard to root for any of them. But the way he gets dismissed because he did just take the money tells u it isn’t about the money, it’s about their dads love and respect. That is what the game is.
It's so funny how the Roys are built to be so deluded and pathologically obtuse. Connor just seems like would LOVE to work at a Food network, it would probably become his passion if he went all out.
You gota give it to Connor. He's the one Roy who actually walks the walk. He doesn't want his fathers empire. He wants his own. Meanwhile Kendall, Shiv, and Roman fight amongst themselves for someone elses acheivement while Connor fights for his own.
I think he’s somewhat smart, and has the drive and ideas, however is too lazy. Maybe because of the excess of privilege in his life, maybe his bad upbringing (due to the obvious abusive nature of his family). He doesn’t do anything in three seasons.
The thing that all these Siblings miss is to really play to each other's needs. Kendall in the 2nd episode while trying to woo his siblings to join him went on about the vision he has about the future, family leadership and company succession. I mean, that's a good speech but you need more than that to get siblings by your side. You need to ask what they really want. Like Shiv wanting to be important, same for Roman and Conor getting some help with politics. The same mistake is made here. Shiv knows what Conor really wants but still offers bullshit roles like a food network. Sometimes, if you wanna get something done quickly, just give em what they want. When you solidify your position subsequently, you can take it back.
100% i'd also add that none of them want to hear that the other one is "in charge" Kendall has made this pitch so many times to them and as soon as he mentions "I'll be working above you" (or some variation) all the siblings turn off and dismiss him.
Really good insight. Logan got Greg ANYTHING he wanted to get him on board, whereas Kendall couldn't get im a $40,000 watch (which he could easily afford)
Yeah, that speech was so out of touch, like everyone knows that Kendall is not a social fighter, just cut the bs and sell the plan. I think he might eventually get to that point but he's still positioning himself as the moral opposite of his father and that's not going to win him any fight. Connor at least it's aware of the power play in place and he's not stepping back in what he wants
I feel like everything we've seen of Connor has actually been leading up to a presidential race. Like I can see a Republican debate of him vs Mencken and the family getting even more torn apart by him and his stupid ambitions
I'd like to see who would side with Connor in the primaries would it be Connor/Logan v Roman/Mencken since Connor has slightly sided with his dad more when he's not being a "UN blue helmet". Or would it be Connor/Roman v Logan/Mencken since they're brothers.
That quote about “no blacks, no Jews, and no women above the fourth floor”, I’m sure it’s taken from a real person but I can’t find out who even after Googling. Can anyone tell me who/where the reference comes from?
@@user-yj8rf3mq4v Nah, cause there was the specific line about women above the fourth floor. I’m starting to doubt myself and think maybe I’d just heard it first on the show? I really don’t know. I’m trying to find a link to Roger Ailes as well, maybe it originated with him, but still can’t find anything online.
@@shop-a-holic3194 cool, what other obvious and irrelevant information can you pose in the form of a condescending question while ignoring the point of someone elses observation?
Seeing how Logan treats the president like he’s nothing, I think that the writers are trying to show us that his position requires just as much “skill.” If you look at it that way, Shiv seems just as delusional as Connor
Shiv thinks she’s the shit. Don’t get me wrong, I wanted the kids to beat Logan and I loved the team up, but it was great seeing Shiv get screwed over at the end by Tom. She acts like the smartest in the room even though she has little to no business experience.
Doesn’t Connor need Logan to bail him out for all the money he lost on Willa’s play? I would think that kind of minimizes the leverage he has against his dad.
true but in the first episode logan apologizes to connor for calling him an embarrassment because he ‘needed to know where everyone is’ i think logan is desperate to get everyone on his side and not be betrayed again and connor is using that to his advantage here
Shiv may have worked in politics but Connor Roy was interested in politics from a very young age.
To be fair, Connor would have been a great fit for the food network. He actually seems to appreciate nature and healthy living
It's the way she comes in, already looking at her watch and glancing away like she has better things to do elsewhere. Then the condescending expression when she offers him "Gourmando" - like you're trying to pacify a child with a treat. I love that Connor, the least of the siblings, is able to cut straight through her hauteur and put her in her place. She really is just "doing what her dad tells her", but has managed to convince herself that she is a real boss. The sad thing is Shiv is a very intelligent woman. What holds her back is the constant need for her father's approval, and delusions of grandeur where she believes she is smarter than she really is. I'd love to see her character get knocked down a peg, learn from her mistakes and then really come back roaring as the powerhouse she could potentially be.
Well boy do I have news for you...
she's not smart at all - but ironically her husband Tom is smarter than he appears to be !
@@christopherng5085 “not smart at all” is a little too much
@@feliups agreed. More Cersei Lannister Syndrome. Above-average intelligence and scheming potential, but thinks she’s a genius chessmaster
@@christopherng5085 just say u hate women
God, even Connor dismisses her. That one must hurts.
Shiv really thought she could come in with zero prior business experience and run a nearly 100 Billion dollar company. And people wonder why no one takes her seriously smh.
Spot on. What’s weird is that whenever anyone mentions this, they’re accused of being sexist.
What's funnier is that her main defense in cruises was that she wasn't in the company and wasn't across the scandal, but then says she has enough experience to land the top job. I think Roman would be better, which is sad considering how immature he is. Shivan might've just been better at politics, and that is where she should've gone to. Roman had experience and went through their training program which Shivan did not too
Both Roman and Shiv are equally unqualified. Roman because he is a ticking time bomb of a PR disaster waiting to happen and Shiv for being manipulative person who thinks she is smarter than she is.
@@isaacm2374 Is kind of a shame we didn’t get more of Roman struggling through the management training program TBH.
@@soyunpreditor50 Ehhh I don't think he should struggle. What defines Roman is that he has an innate talent for business and social acumen but having been born with privilege makes him a disaster because Rome never had to suffer the consequences of his actions.
It was nice to see Connor flat out dismiss Shiv trying to pigeonhole him into the culinary channel Gourmando.
Shiv should have stayed as a political operative. She's effective when she is working behind the scenes, but collapses when she is operating out front.
Exactly, she's an opportunist.
Opportunists can't make their own bed, only jump in someone elses.
Shiv is the typical "better working behind the scene than working in the front stage".
Sadly, she never realized that.
I didn’t know Conor had this in him. Impressive!
@albion king yeah but those are people beneath him. I never thought he could do that to his siblings. He always seemed quiet around them.
@@billwest9090 damnnnn... "beneath him?" Those peasants who work for money tz tz tz.
@@bonwei Yes “beneath him” these are rich narcissists who don’t see regular people the same way.
Just because he doesn't play the game it doesn't mean he doesn't know how it's played
ikr! i even rewinded his dismissal of shiv. it was so well delivered and i also just wish i saw Connors face more
I don't think I'm alone in saying that Connor is quickly becoming the favorite child.
Connor seems to get a special pass from Logan, partly because he's not conspiring to overthrow him, but I think more over guilt about him being on the outskirts of the family.
Conor the one child who Logan doesn't have to worry about. Just give him money and he good
This scene really shows how far Shiv has fallen down the pecking order and in everyone's eyes. Connor, the delusional, overprivileged, afterthought of all the siblings, still wipes the floor with her here.
I also have a strong feeling that the worst is yet to come after her irrevocable attack on Kendall; he will wipe his tears and equally, if not more emphatically, wipe the floor with her as well.
If you ask me this season is the least delusional connor has been. Like the level of intelligence he has been showing the last couple of episodes are suprising. His finally acting like an adult and getting what he wants.
I think and believe Connor could become te succsor at this point! Connors backstory is that his mom had mental problems and that was the reason for Logan too break up with her. Connor thook care of his sick mother and that is the reason why he never worked in the company and why Logan gives him all the money.
In the background Connor is the elder brother who is the caregiver, how he helps his girlfriend out with all the money, gave Roman some youth memmories.... But he knows when too stand up for himself...
She was in politics as a hardcore lobbyist prior to this though. Politics is cyclical and I think her play is to suck it up and find a week spot to swoop in. She's so arrogant that I doubt she'd waste time on this if she didn't have some agenda.
I see her intentionally getting pregnant. Attacking a pregnant woman is seen as highly distasteful, and she can spin a demotion as discrimination.
@@hothotheat3000 shiv would never get pregnant like that her and Tom don’t even seem like they have sex at all
I love how Conor has a freaking flag pin like he is still planning to run for president
It’s even weirder when you realize that they have a 20 years age difference.
and 30 in real life
1:01
says the woman who was just given a high level executive role in the same exact climate
Connor showing his dad's negotiation position with this scene
If Connor didn't have mental problems he'd probably be CEO by now.
Connor drowned Shiv. That was so much ouch.
Connor legit sounds like trump in 2011 and guess what went down in 2016. The whole family except Logan and Kendall take Connor as some joke but they know he has talent when used properly he is savage can be the type of killer Logan likes.
Not really. Shiv's job here is to tell Connor "no". She does that. Connor whines and stomps his feet and threatens the family, but he leaves the room with nothing. At the start of the conversation he's offered an executive role at a major television network, but is so bad at negotiating that by the end of the conversation even that has been taken off the table.
Connor's "leverage" is, at best, mutually assured destruction. Given that Logan chose to send his favorite son to prison rather than retire from his role, he doesn't seem like the kind of person who will lose that game of chicken. Not to mention that whatever Connor can accuse him of is certainly no worse than the accusations Logan is already publicly battling regarding his buddy Mo-Lester and the cruise rapes.
If you think Connor won this interaction then you misunderstood the scene. He threw a temper-tantrum, showed his ass, and walked out of the room with nothing. The purpose of this scene is to show that Shiv is perceived as being weak to the point where even a powerless moron like Connor thinks he can push her around. But, you know, he can't.
@@rossvolkmann1161 nah she could have played him but she doesn’t have it in her. She has no grit. I’m sure Roman would have thrown some shit his way as a response rather than fold like Shiv.
@@rossvolkmann1161 Who hurt you?
@@chrisdawson1776 Who hurt you? Ross is spitting facts
That "let's stay civil" sounds desperate even if it wants to come across as tough and cynical. This episode really showed Shiv out of her element, and that was duly noted by Logan. Both Sarah Snook and Alan Ruck are brilliant in this scene.
The writers should have given Connor two kids, who are power hungry and plotting to take over grandpa Logan's empire. He is all alone in his corner. Despite their differences Shiv, Kendall and Roman will always stick together because they are full siblings.
Lol why add characters to the show and add another dynamic? Those characters would need in depth development and analysis which the show cannot afford to have.
I think Connor is ironically a very important character in terms of reminding the audience what they are watching for. If you had 4 siblings fighting over who got to be top billionaire it would be hard to root for any of them. But the way he gets dismissed because he did just take the money tells u it isn’t about the money, it’s about their dads love and respect. That is what the game is.
Connor has been winning for a long time. He has no interest in the game and it's kept him sane and stable.
@@coachbarn 😹Sane and what now?
I like Conor. Don't know why but I just like him.
I know he’s my favorite
because connor roy was intrested in politics at a very young age
because he's not a power hungry maniac. hes only running for president as a hobby. hes just got a more wholesome vibe, even if hes kind of insane
Alan Ruck makes him very charming and likable even though the character is a delusional jackass.
Any privileged male likes him. He's the reflection of many of you.
+1 for the Conheads, let's go! **fist pump**
"I just thought that a lifestyle network would be easier for you to manage"
Ouch... how did she think he was gonna take that?
I was actually impressed at how Connor finally started throwing his weight around.
i enjoy his actor so much, and he has a very wholesome and expressive face! love the way he says “this is a little bit like,,that. isn’t it shiv?”
The best thing for anyone in this family is to be as far away from the center of power as possible.
Logan has successfully taken shiv down about 12 notches.
Conor gets less screen time than the rest, but the actor is still fantastic. He is very underraated...Alan Ruck is totally in character. Love it
It's so funny how the Roys are built to be so deluded and pathologically obtuse. Connor just seems like would LOVE to work at a Food network, it would probably become his passion if he went all out.
I'm rooting for Connor. Generally.
You gota give it to Connor. He's the one Roy who actually walks the walk. He doesn't want his fathers empire. He wants his own. Meanwhile Kendall, Shiv, and Roman fight amongst themselves for someone elses acheivement while Connor fights for his own.
I think he’s somewhat smart, and has the drive and ideas, however is too lazy.
Maybe because of the excess of privilege in his life, maybe his bad upbringing (due to the obvious abusive nature of his family).
He doesn’t do anything in three seasons.
Hey dad, think you could float me a little... hundred mil? 🥺
I think he's running for president unconsciously bcs his dad has a 50yo history with presidents... he also wants his approval
Honestly? He's the worst. He's not a fighter like his siblings, he's just an overgrown baby with a hundred bil.
They are slow building Conor this year to do something big
That's what Conor thinks
Connor is very underrated, the way he can leverage his way in and take down Shiv just with a few sentences.
I don’t wanna deal with you shiv gold!
He is the oldest son! He is…
him.
The thing that all these Siblings miss is to really play to each other's needs. Kendall in the 2nd episode while trying to woo his siblings to join him went on about the vision he has about the future, family leadership and company succession. I mean, that's a good speech but you need more than that to get siblings by your side. You need to ask what they really want. Like Shiv wanting to be important, same for Roman and Conor getting some help with politics.
The same mistake is made here. Shiv knows what Conor really wants but still offers bullshit roles like a food network. Sometimes, if you wanna get something done quickly, just give em what they want.
When you solidify your position subsequently, you can take it back.
100% i'd also add that none of them want to hear that the other one is "in charge" Kendall has made this pitch so many times to them and as soon as he mentions "I'll be working above you" (or some variation) all the siblings turn off and dismiss him.
Really good insight. Logan got Greg ANYTHING he wanted to get him on board, whereas Kendall couldn't get im a $40,000 watch (which he could easily afford)
Yeah, that speech was so out of touch, like everyone knows that Kendall is not a social fighter, just cut the bs and sell the plan. I think he might eventually get to that point but he's still positioning himself as the moral opposite of his father and that's not going to win him any fight. Connor at least it's aware of the power play in place and he's not stepping back in what he wants
@@Fondrom I mean Kendall did offer Greg a flat worth millions
“When you solidify your position subsequently, you can take it back” Logan, is that you?
Sarah’s accent coming in hot when she said “idear”
“Therefore I wouldn’t be uninterested in coming in and hitting 3 or 4 major achievements and then getting out.”
idk how he isn’t everyone’s fav lmaoo
Lets go conn, connhead activate
I feel like everything we've seen of Connor has actually been leading up to a presidential race. Like I can see a Republican debate of him vs Mencken and the family getting even more torn apart by him and his stupid ambitions
I'd like to see who would side with Connor in the primaries would it be Connor/Logan v Roman/Mencken since Connor has slightly sided with his dad more when he's not being a "UN blue helmet". Or would it be Connor/Roman v Logan/Mencken since they're brothers.
How many Ls will shiv take before she realizes "shes not it"🤨
That quote about “no blacks, no Jews, and no women above the fourth floor”, I’m sure it’s taken from a real person but I can’t find out who even after Googling. Can anyone tell me who/where the reference comes from?
Roger Ailes from Fox News had similar quotes he also jokingly said he couldn't tell two black reporters apart
Cnn
There is the famous "no blacks, no dogs, no irish" signs that were hung in American bars back in the day, maybe that?
@@user-yj8rf3mq4v Nah, cause there was the specific line about women above the fourth floor. I’m starting to doubt myself and think maybe I’d just heard it first on the show? I really don’t know. I’m trying to find a link to Roger Ailes as well, maybe it originated with him, but still can’t find anything online.
@@Brandon-tk2rw good one
Ferris would be proud of Cameron.
Shiv showed her worst side in this episode. The way she spoke to Tom, Connor; just new absolute lows, acting like daddy's little girl
It was Logan’s plan all along. He knew she was the weak link so he’s subtlety having her exposed so he can ultimately discard her.
Connor is the least problematic child rn. Probably Logan's new favourite.
"Let's stay civil, Connor" 😆😆
This is an aside, but Connor and Shiv actually look the most alike of the Roy siblings. Similar eyes.
U know this are actors, right???
Yep. Just meant in terms of casting.
@@shop-a-holic3194 no shit
@@shop-a-holic3194 cool, what other obvious and irrelevant information can you pose in the form of a condescending question while ignoring the point of someone elses observation?
It’s the eyes
Shiv was condescending so hard at first
Conner 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Shiv can’t even handle Conor let alone the company
this scene made me love connor. connor might definitely not be as involved or as bright as the other children but his eyes definitely work
I got a feeling Connor is going to surprise everybody in the political arena including his old man
Seeing how Logan treats the president like he’s nothing, I think that the writers are trying to show us that his position requires just as much “skill.” If you look at it that way, Shiv seems just as delusional as Connor
i thought she was in a bathtub in the thumbnail
'Rio-ha'
Shiv thinks she’s the shit. Don’t get me wrong, I wanted the kids to beat Logan and I loved the team up, but it was great seeing Shiv get screwed over at the end by Tom. She acts like the smartest in the room even though she has little to no business experience.
My pre s3 3x short on Shiv looking real good these days. This woman is being played like a fiddle.
She's new to the business and no one respects her yet.
Has Connor ever had a real job?
Could someone please explain what does Connor actually do for a living? Or did? I'm pretty lost here.
In Roman's words "Never done nothing, never."
He doesn’t really do anything tbh. He’s got a lot of money and then decided to run for President lol
@@griffithadams9232 yeah, but we don't really know where did he get his (?) money :D
@@marcoss981 all the kids have got shares in their dad's company and therefore board seats which are worth billions.
Conor Roy was interested in politics from a very young age
Jajajj 1:20 jajajjja
Has Connor even done anything to help Logan or the family? I dont remember
Just being him self.
who is "The Raisin" referring too?
the president of the USA
@@kendallroyclips yea I assumed as much, but I though it might be a reference to Trump but this season happens after the election no?
@@sidg11 they call him the Californian raisin so probably not
Doesn’t Connor need Logan to bail him out for all the money he lost on Willa’s play? I would think that kind of minimizes the leverage he has against his dad.
I think money is not really an issue here
true but in the first episode logan apologizes to connor for calling him an embarrassment because he ‘needed to know where everyone is’ i think logan is desperate to get everyone on his side and not be betrayed again and connor is using that to his advantage here
Logan needs Connors share's he has. Connor also has probably the most knowledge that can be used to destroy Logan if need be if he were to go nuclear.
So he wants to come in on top and leave in a few years. Oh and he thought bullying his sister (half sister) was going to get him there?