Josh Pate's SEC Coaching Staff Rankings (Late Kick Cut)
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- SEC coaching staffs re opening spring practice across the league, and on Late Kick Live Ep 488 Josh Pate shared his overstaff staff rankings entering 2024. Does UGA still have the league's best staff under Kirby Smart? Could Auburn and OIe Miss surprise? Where is Alabama under Kalen DeBoer? LSU made some big moves under Brian Kelly on defense. What about Oklahoma and Texas? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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LSU
Brian Kelly - 1 CBSNCG - 2 CFP appearances. Think he has most wins for active P5 coaches
OC/QB Sloan - just coached the heisman QB
OL Brad Davis - Oline was Joe Moore award finalist in '23
CoOC/WR Hankton - Two years in BR. 2 WRs with 3 - 1,000 yard seasons
RB - Frank Wilson - Godfather of LA football. Recruited and coached some of the best college RBs ever
DT - Bo Davis - Just coached Outland winner and another cat that was '24 defensive lineman of the year in the Big XII
DE/edge - Kevin Peoples - Broyles award semifinalist in '23. B2B all SEC DEs in '22 and '23
DB - Corey Raymond - Godfather of DBU. 1st time coaching in BR had 7 1st team all americans - 4 1st round draft choices and another 5 or so 2nd round picks
DC/LB = Blake Baker - Inherited a mizzou defense that finished 100+ in total and scoring defense in '21. Had them mid 50's in '22 and mid 30's in '23.
GEAUX TIGERS !!!!!!!!
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I feel like S&C coaches should have been a part of the equation
100%
y’all hating on auburn. You do understand it was his first year at Auburn right?
If Bama beats Georgia this year Auburn will have prime opportunity to gut them the week after. I’m a Bama fan and I really do hope Auburn and Bama do really well this year
When I saw Jake Thornton, Wesley Mcgiff, and Wesley Mcgiff I knew all I needed. All from Ole Miss most underachieving team
You do realize that Brian Kelly won the west in year one at LSU right? Lmao.
@@zacharyrogerssr9331And yet those guys are resurrecting Auburn's recruiting program. Of the top 9 state of Alabama 2025 recruits, Auburn has taken 6, Bama 3.
You do realize how Nick Saban finished his first season at Alabama in 2007, right? 😂😂
I still have yet to hear you talk about what u think of Bobby Petrino coming back to Arkansas
He’s been eerily quiet about it
How are people still hiring that clown
i’d stay away too bc who knows how that even works out
@@jofra3147 nobody knows how any of this will work out. It’s all educated guesses and speculation
@jofra3147 it's obvious how it works out. He takes over after they lose bowl eligibility and then gets the job
LSU is not tier one only because Sloan swaps out for Denbrock. As a LSU fan, I can live with this 100%
You guys need to pay attention to what the man said, this list is based on historical wins of each individual coach on each staff. The numbers are “WHAT” they are. The numbers don’t lie. It doesn’t speak to up and comers potential or even how good a coach may be, for instance, a defensive coordinator may have had a top 5 defense, but on a losing team equals more losses so a lower score.
If a team has a top 5 defense cut can't manage a winning record then the coaches on offense and the head coach should get additional points subtracted. 😆
LSU tier 2? Idk about all that…. Especially with the new hires.
You think theyre too high or too low?
@@natewatson6962 Should be tier 1 no questions about it.
Kelly, Wilson, Raymond, Davis (both of them), Peoples, Baker, Hankton, Sloan….. all the same staff
Question, sir: Does the model factor in the games coached together/chemistry aspect? I know that's usually a big factor when determining team predictions from a player aspect (returning production), especially on the lines of scrimmage. Does the model account for this with coaching staffs. That's important, in my opinion.
I love these analytics and it would be super-interesting to look at how well your analytics predicted success in past years. This same principle could be used to adjust recruiting (or in the case of the NFL, draft) rankings. There are always diamonds in the rough, and this is a method to aid discovery. Thanks to you and the crew for the best content out there.
In 2024, the sixth-best SEC staff might still be top 10 in college football. It's amazing.
Bama staff in Tier 1 of SEC and Deboer hasn't coached a single SEC game. You can't take this serious.
Tell me you didn’t pay attention when he was explaining the criteria without telling me
@@jacobalexander1768 why the f does that mean I would agree with the criteria just because he laid it out. You think you're smart don't you?
Why did you only mention DeBoer and reference what he hasn't done in future games when this is a staff grade based on things that have already happened? - JP
@@LateKickwithJoshPate Fair question. I just weigh the HC and SEC experience more than the matrix you guys used apparently. OC and DC are just as important. Both his coordinators are unproven in the SEC and relatively inexperienced. I remember Nick Sheridan as a GA at UT not that long ago. I'm sure he's gotten experience but he's still green by SEC standards and so is Shephard. Kevin Steele probably coached in the SEC as long as Sheridan or Shepard has been alive. Now that's a Tier 1 SEC coordinator, JMO.
I value SEC experience if we're ranking SEC staffs. Bama's has zero at the HC and OC/DC level. They are just now cutting their SEC teeth and you guys put them in Tier 1 based on what they've done elsewhere. It's a totally different deal week to week in the SEC. Rarely does a top SEC school hire someone that doesn't have tremendous prior success. I bet Brian Kelly and staff would have been in your Tier 1 at the time LSU hired them. Now Tier 2 because they've been measured by SEC standards and experience. Deboer and Co. will have a learning curve and will adapt and get better if they are good enough, just like Kelly's staff is evolving at LSU.
I appreciate your content and agree with you 90% of the time. Just disagree with this one.
Inability to comprehend and pay attention during the video lets ME know I can’t take this comment serious.
How do you have a tier 1 staff if you have multiple coordinators who are either not very good or have questions to how good they are? I don't understand this list
On top of that, the main DC is very hard to work for, and many people don't get along with him. That should work out well for a defensive staff that has multiple former DCs on it.
Is history of development included in the criteria?
Hugh freeze brought every former ole miss coach to auburn man💀
Every? Lol! He's brought guys he knows and who know him. He didn't have time to get a coupme last year. Now he's much more comfortable, especially with the coordinators
Fr😂😂
This episode is a joke. LSU has heavy hitters on their coaching staff (with the reshuffle) Brad Davis, Bo Davis, Peoples, Godfather Frank Wilson, Corey Raymond, Cortez Hankton, and an underrated (statistically significant) Slade Nagle at ST…tier one staff without even speaking about coordinator spots
Yeah unsubscribing after this one
@@egautreauxWait, wait, wait..before you go! War Eagle! 🏈🦅 Ok, bye. 👋
I don’t really buy the dj dueling hype, he took a big step back in my eyes over the last 2 years with what he did at Texas A&M with that talent
It’s like no one is listening to Josh explain the criteria. He’s not predicting 2024 standings, just coaching staff based on a random criteria his guys created.
Hey Josh and LK community. I’m about to graduate from Tennessee and I’ve only seen games in Neyland. I really want to see more stadiums and teams, do y’all have any recommendations I should realistically see this upcoming fall?
Ole Miss on a Vols bye week.🧡
Y’all play UGA in Sanford Stadium this year. The last time UT played there, 27130 people had to be treated for hearing damage due to the noise. You should check that out.
from porting fan noise through the speakers, right? @@JamesBond-zd5jx
Go to the Bama Georgia game in Tuscaloosa this season
The Army Navy game is a bucket list game for me
I trust Hugh Freeze with the rebuild. Hopefully he can get Auburn back to being nationally relevant.
I hope so too, it’s too bad DSOR hasn’t meant much in a few years
He’ll probably escort them to victories.😂
As a Bama fan I think Freeze is the perfect hire for Auburn. Auburn really needed something different to get back to the top, and Freeze is the perfect man to watch over that change.
@@dr.markevers8331Gufaw!! Gufaw!! 😂😂 Chaulk the good Dr. Up as a 👍 for Hugh Freeze at Auburn. Let's cut him some slack since he hasn't got the football IQ to offer a response of any consequence.
@@phantom1100Respect sir. I too, as an Auburn fan think Hugh Freeze is an incredible coach and insane recruiter. Perfect hire for the culture at Auburn that sorely needs renuilding too. I also think Kaelen DeBoer is an outstanding hire even if I don't know a lot about him. It seems he had a great career even before he got to Washington. He's got the staff looking better after a bit of trouble at first. He's goung to make it interesting. Hope Bama fans are patient with him. He'll ultimately do very well.
A&M at tier 3 is just wrong. Elko put together a heck of a staff
Who said he didn't? - JP
Tommy Moffitt will make a significant difference at Texas A &M. Three national titans. Setup his program at Tennessee they competed for the title and won the year he left for Miami. Stayed there for two years won coach of the year they won the title when Nick hired him his first year at LSU. In 3 years A&M will be a top team in the conference. 😊
How can you honestly say that Auburn has a tier 1 coaching staff?
He can't. He just allows his feelings to dictate rankings like this. Even an Auburn fan doesn't believe they have a tier 1 coaching staff 💀. Pure glazing
Maybe if you knew anything about football you would realize it
@@DonovanGG__ 😂🤣🤦
@@randykent9594 😂🤣🤦
Weren't you listening. The tiers are based on a specific mathematical model, not feelings. Pay attention, Einstein.@@bigl-train7419
Folks on here are really arguing with an algorithm 😂
Rankings based on experience but UK's staff is tier 3...
Josh, your model is trash if LSU’s coaching staff is considered a tier 2 staff! 😂
I notice you didn't provide your own grades, didn't provide your scales/criteria, and didn't measure them position vs position against other staffs. - JP
Elko put together a hell of a staff including S&C. Their new LB coach is suspect though.
Nick Saban’s retirement has a good news/bad news element for Alabama: the bad news is Kalen DeBoer is not Nick Saban. The good news is neither is anybody else. Alabama will remain competitive for the foreseeable future.
9:46 I understand your rankings, however Brian Kelly was not hiring the best coaches. He was looking for good coaches that had Louisiana recruiting ties. So for them they have the best bang for their Buck.
He was definitely going for coaches with LA ties, but by making Baker the highest paid assistant in college football, I don’t think it was a “bargain” or “value” play.
If all games coached is the metric, then it's seriously flawed as all games are not equal. How about this as a suggestion;
- 1 point/ game coached
- 1 point/ game won
- 10 points/ Won Division
- 25 points/ Conference Champ
- 100 points/ National Champ
wheres vandi? >:c
RIP Arkansas (and Vandy)
He didn't even have enough respect for us to even say that much.
You can’t be serious saying Charles Kelly is a huge addition for Auburn….
As a co defensive coordinator and an absolutely phenomenal recruiter, yes he’s a great addition to the staff
@@NWozz034Yep, and named as much by his peers.
Wonder if Auburn’s tier 1 staff can overcome the fact they have no offensive or defensive line. They do have as easy a schedule as a team that plays Alabama and Georgia every year can have In the new SEC. We’ll see. O/U 7.5 wins.
Alabama has 4 DCs. Sann my Eva’s having 4 starting QBs. That’s a lot of opinions on process
Do the B1G
auburn has a tier one but LSU doesn’t after back to back 10 win season with bowl wins? and a heisman winner on the dock?? the OC left but the structure remained the same. Auburn hasn’t even been the best in their own state
Who is LSU competing with in their state? Oh, and everybody was measured against the same criteria in these rankings. Auburn has a Tier 1 staff. LSU doesn't. Maybe give the video another listen.
Lord above I miss college football...
Josh, I realize you aren't revealing all of the algorithms behind your model. And I'm not necessarily saying it's wrong to put UF in the third tier. But, does it take into consideration the staff that isn't on the field? Meemaw used to say that strength and conditioning are crucial parts of a football program's success. Your skin-tight tee shirts would agree.
Florida hired Ron Roberts from Auburn, and yet the model doesn't show an improvement for all that experience he brings with him?
The Gators don't have a traditional special teams coach, but they hired Joe Houston, who has significant experience.
Does the model give added weight to NFL experience over FBS? How about FCS and high school... are those lesser valued experience points?
Florida sucks bro
I'm tired of these models with no idea how the numbers are made. It must be fabricated because Twitter will indeed do the math
Wow. When’s the last time Oklahoma wasn’t even mentioned on a list like this?
He did mention them?
IDK, cause I did mention them. - JP
Where's my Hogs then? Are we not good enough for you?@@LateKickwithJoshPate
Seems he didn’t mention the entire sec
Freeze is great for suburn!
I get how’s it’s based on metrics and Texas losing bo Davis for a younger guy hurts there overall ranking. But I’d put Texas HC, OC, DC, Special teams coach against any one in America. They do have some younger guys with the new d line coach, Gideon at safeties, Milwee at QB coach and Jackson at WR. I think Jackson the wr cosch is a stud guy was assistant with chin bears for like 5 years then took the job with the jags in Petersons first year and they set franchise records with 2 different receivers and made 2nd rd of playoffs then last year I thought he did very good with worthy, Mitchell and Whittington.
*LSU poaches 3 Big Time experienced coaches from other schools*
*Ranks them as a tier 2 coaching staff*
Love the show Josh, but this list is 🚮
They lost a 4.5 star OC which took their offensive grade down bumping overall staff grade down just below tier 1. - JP
I’d flip Auburn and Texas. Sark’s staff is ridiculous. It’s way too early to put Auburn in tier 1
You model is your model 😂 the play on the field will determine the games 😮 I will tell you in my model tier 1-3 are all solid. 😊 recruiting and talent is solid in most all tiers 😂 so excited just to see the games..
😏😉 you have to talk about something
Diarrgard the fact that todd bates, miguel Chavis, and BV all won national titles unlike a good chunk of the coaches you have ahead but okay.
Chris Jackson was there last year mr Pate
Rebs
The metrics you’re using will not translate to on field success.
They already have, year after year. This isn't a beta-test...I'm sharing because of how on the money it's already proven to be. - JP
@@LateKickwithJoshPate Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t see this episode last year. I’m skeptical without seeing data, previous predictions and results. Texas and LSU being tier 2 behind some of these programs is laughable. Oklahoma being tier 3 is laughable. Auburn and Missouri’s positions are ridiculous.
Damn no Vanderbilt lmao
Auburn does not have a tier one coaching staff because of one guy, DJ Durkin. I ain't talking about his off-field problems he had at Maryland, but on-field. He never utilized the sheer amount of talent he had at A&M. He always opted for the 3 man front when the aggies had like 20 blue chip DL. Never made any adjustments to the secondary even if they were getting smoked. Don't see why they are at tier 1.
STOOPS TROOPS AWOOO
Right now, Bush Hamdan is getting all the attention for UK, but getting Wolford back from Georgia on the O-line will bring back the Big Blue Wall days. Yenser was a good enough coach, but he just couldn't recruit the level of linemen we had previously. Wolford will fix that fast.
LSU not in tier 1 is a complete joke. Automatically cancels out everything else you said. I can’t trust your rankings if you think LSU’s staff is not tier 1. Total joke
Nobody's surprised that ole miss is tier 1 but get auburn outta there. There would be less push back for Auburn being tier 3
Restart the video. This time listen.
@@michaelbee2165 I did listen auburn is not tier 1 their DC is pretty good and their OC has never called plays and was a WR coach Ik freeze is going to be the play caller but auburn is not tier 1 what am I missing ?
These grades are subjective hence very much conversation salad.
Joe Sloan will prove that lsu is tier 1!
Auburn tier 1, but LSU a tier 2? lolz
Whatever your system is, it is flawed. No way Alabama is still Tier One. Auburn certainly isn't.
This system is extremely effective at grading coaches - point out the specific flaws and detail your grading scales/process. -JP
Whether or not Ole Miss has an elite coaching staff or not their coaching staff to include players are massive choke artists when playing real teir 1 programs. And Auburn staff is an absolute joke since they don't have a legit QB
No vanderbilt??? Scam list lol jk theyd be in like tier 97
Auburn and Ole Miss above LSU? Do some homework man
Tier 1
#1 UGA
#2 LSU
#3 Ole Miss
#4 Texas/Alabama
- Texas fan
UGA is the only team with Tier 1 results, of the Tier 1 teams. Several non Tier 1 teams had better records than Auburn, but they are a Tier 1 staff. Oh ok, gotcha. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Where tf is arkansas
Watched the whole vid to find out we're not even good enough to mention even for 15 seconds. I wish I knew just one Razorback coach or player that i could email this to. I'm Mad as you know what.
Love your show but your ‘model’ is flawed.
how's that?
So, we took all these stud coaches from other places, but we are tier 2.... this anti-cajun discrimination is getting too much.
At least he paid enough respect to mention your school. I watched the whole thing and no mention of mine.
A&M is a Tier 1 Program that hires tier 2-3 coaches, throws money at their problems, doesn’t even look at what’s happening & hopes for a Natty
Nobody would trade the Texas staff for Auburn's or Ole Miss, These rankings are ass
I would
@@DonovanGG__ Guess you don't want to beat Alabama or get into the playoff
Some would actually.
@@LateKickwithJoshPate I give you the end of the Alabama - Auburn game as exhibit A on why Auburn shouldn't be Tier 1
you lost me at Auburn
Every time he makes a tier list based on a computer model he's a fan of whatever random team the people deem unfit. This time he's an auburn fan. Last week he was a bama fan. He doesn't make the list. He literally says i wouldn't have put auburn at tier 1 but the model has them here. He is not being biased. He puts in the numbers and a computer spits out a ranking. Please watch the video before commenting so ignorant comment like how is auburn tier 1. I hate auburn. Im an Alabama fan. I think auburn football is pathetic and the biggest little brother in sports but if a computer model says something its not because josh pate is an auburn fan
So Josh, you state numbers and experience matters. Deboer has four years of D1 experience, Lmao. Brian Kelly is the leader in most wins of all active head D1 coaches added Blake Baker, Bo Davis and Corey Raymond to their Def staff, but they are a Tier 2 staff? Lmao. Yet, Ole Miss is a Tier 1? Lmao. Contradicting statements when you say, Bama and UGA added blah blah this season, that’s why they are Tier 1, then you brag on LSU with their Def addictions, but not a Tier 1, but you have Auburn a Tier 1. Lmao. Off season joke if as ever saw one.
Incoming bama hate
I hate to say it, but Bama might be better this year.
@@dr.markevers8331 I think 9-3 to 10-2 the schedule is brutal I’d be fine just making playoffs 12 team playoff gonna be a lot harder with injuries and all
@@Toast2222 As a Bama fan, I say no more than 4 looses.
Swap LSU and Auburn
I no like this list
You've got to be kidding me!!! I watched your whole video waiting to see you're take on Arkansas and you don't even mention them! ? Are we trash to you? I have loved all of your videos till now. I am very disappointed and insulted. Not even 30 seconds to evaluate us? We deserve better. So does Vandy. I hope you lower yourself just enough to read this comment.
Someone is glazing hard on the coaching staff for auburn
how is 6-6 garbage auburn better then tennessee heupil took over pruitt ass tennessee and has a double digit qwinning season and 9 wins when auburn can't barley make a bowl game
Coaching staff
Hugh is a fraud tho so idk
Give it time brotha 💪
Don’t think you realize how bad the situation has been at auburn since 2020. Freeze has had to completely rebuild the program from the ground up from the roster mismanagement Malzahn created that the worst coach in the programs history, Harsin, made even worse. Just give it time, Freeze is gonna do some damage with the staff on and off the field he has created.. Will he win a national championship at Auburn? I don’t think so, but he is definitely gonna elevate the program
@joebird5913 Hear me out
Yall finna go 12-0 in the Iron Bowl over the next 12 seasons
And somehow manage a 1-23 record vs Vanderbilt+MS state+Texas A&M over the same span
Dude Harsin at Auburn was maybe one of the worst coaching jobs in the history of the SEC. It set us back years in terms of talent. Even with our top 8 class this year and likely top 6-7 class next year, we’ll still be talent and depth deficient.
Boomer Sooner!
Ole miss hasnt done anything.
Yes they have. - JP
Where does Billy Napier & the UF staff rank? 🤣 🤡 🤣 🤡
Chris Jackson is going into his 2nd year as WR coach for Texas, btw....🫡🤘🏿