The Mysterious Disappearance of Amelia Earhart | A Tale of Two Sisters | Absolute History
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- Amelia Earhart disappeared in 1937 but what actually happened to her is still a mystery. Her story and achievements however still captivate, thanks in no small part to her younger sister Muriel. Their bond, forged in childhood and tested in adulthood, could not be broken by death.
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Did the doctor on Fiji who examined the bones write down if the skull had a gap between the front teeth? It would be a big clue, does anyone else
think so?
Not really mysterious. She launched on a 2,000 mile flight in search of a tiny speck of an island in the middle of an ocean.. Apparently, the Radio Direction Finder was inoperative. They were relying on celestial navigation, which required a clear sky. They got lost, ran out of fuel, and went down in the Pacific.
what is missing from this documentary is that her last journey before retirement to teaching at university was to use the GLOBE as an experiment to navigate. Not saying I am FE. I am saying that the globe appeared in every classroom from a generation's dot and has not ever been questioned since. To this day, based on AE's flight and outcome (confirmation), air, land and sea do not use the globe. You will be off course and never reach your destination. A couple of degrees is a big deal. She confirmed this.
True. There has been no sighting of her plane wreckage. Until then, it seems plausible that the plane crashed landed in the ocean with it wreckage laying on the ocean floor, seven miles down (the deepest part of the Ocean). This depth is too dangerous to attempt because of the ocean's pressure even with today's modern technology.
In a nutshell, absolutely. Her instrument flying was mediocre at best, and Paul Mantz stated he was shocked at her inability to fly the Lockheed twin on instruments.
And she gave her husband a code for Noonan is drinking.
Look up "TIGHAR post loss radio analysis". They have some pretty interesting evidence against the "crash and sink" theory.
I saw a documentary on AE that said she should never have been allowed to make that trip because she wasn’t experienced enough. There were many other women who were much more experienced but didn’t have the charisma, beauty or the fame that she had. My father was a pilot and after he read the part of the book listing her background and experience he said that she was dangerously inexperienced and agreed with the judgement of the people who said she shouldn’t have been turned loose on this trip. He had a lifetime of piloting experience but said even he wasn’t qualified for a flight like that.
Aparently Amelia did not know to switch to MVC before taking a bearing.
I had a good think about the believable Japanese encounters,
and I noticed something weird.......listen up....
I find it a bit strange that the Japanese interrogation should have
Included asking her where she put down the plane.
I am advocating Winslow reef for example, but... once the rumours
Got out, they would spread fast as to where she put down,
Or where she was picked up from. I have not yet found a story that contains this
Information.
I located Winslow reef almost by accident when doing lots of maths.
Winslow reef is the only location that fits the nav info & transmissions combined.
Another objective way to look at Winslow reef is that all the numbers either
Revolve around it or pinpoint it.
Low tide was the only time when the wavex would not keep banging the fuselage
and wetting the insulators, so forcing tbemselves to get sleep at high tide makes sense,
and is not necessarily linked to running engines
Well stated. On the first try to fly around the world, they were trying to find westerly. That flight included an experience radio operator, Captain Harry Manning. He filed a radio plan that included being able to send morse code. It worked perfectly on the first leg from California to Hawaii. However on the next leg from Hawaii to Howland Island, the plane ground-looped due to the excess fuel weight. After taking several months to repair the plane, Earhart decided to fly the other direction, west to east. However, she did not include Harry Manning and decided to only use radio to guide herself, and did not include the first crude direction finders of the day. This sealed her fate. There is film that implies on her takeoff from Lae her receiving antenna (located on the bottom of the plane) may have been broken. With a single point of failure failing, she was done for. To conclude, her inexperience in all things aviation is what did her in.
MVC is Manual volume control but controls the sensitivity really.
AVC was new at that time.but you cant take a bearing on AVC.
@@georgeorwell4534 there is no record of an antenna being found on the ground at Lae. The antenna you are referring to was removed from the aircraft a few weeks earlier in Miami, FL.
I pay for History Hit so I don't have to watch commercials and this is like the 5th video that is NOT available on that service even though it's advertised as such. If I wanted to listen to podcasts, I'd pay for a podcasting service.
Agreed, I recently signed up to see how it is and not only is this content not there but what is there is mostly audio only podcasts.
I’ve already paused the payment card on it, I won’t let it renew.
Well, your answer is in front of you.
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I guess History Hit has already identified you as self important and self indulgent, happy to pay to feel exclusive. So they play you...
Very few people are going to worry about your plaintive wails. Try a few major, real life problems.
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"Courage is the price which life exacts for granting peace" A.E.
Nice sounding quote but it makes zero sense. Courage usually comes with a lack of peace, if anything. Sorry it’s just that wordy, poetic sounding quotes that only *sound* good but are super cliche, illogical, nonsensical, and just plain untrue annoy the hell out of me. It’s like pretentious word salad.
An article in the Naval History Magazine debunks the radio transmission of the USS Itasca as unreliable. Betty Clank of St. Petersburg Fl. Said she heard a distress call from Earhart stating she was at a place that sounded like New York. There is an island on her route called Duke of York just east of Rabaul. The caldera there erupted June 2, 1937 killing 500 people. Earhart could have flown threw a pyrotechnic cloud in the dark, causing her engines to fail and crash land on Duke of York Island.
The Klenck notes are nothing of a distress call. Her notes quote a woman saying go to the closet and get the suitcase. She was listening to a radio drama. Nothing in her notes is even close to being a distress call.
Their families had lots of children. American families believed you could be anything you want even President. Amelia was a child who believed she could do anything.
If the engines could not run, there is a chance the plane was on a wet reef landing.
Winslow reef matches up with the kite sighting, on day 12,
3 days after loss of radio battery transmit capability.
Radio reception was still possible until day 15
Amelia said, and i need to check, but i think she said the plane was partly in the water, partly on dry land,
So , as the tide went up, the waves would have stopped transmissions because of danger and wet insulators.
At low tide, things were more managable
If AE was on Winslow Reef, why would she broadcast NY NY which was heard by a 16-year-old girl in Florida. It was believed that AE was trying to reference the SS Norwich City as a landmark. SS Norwich City is on Nikumaroro [Gardner] Island.
@@usveteran9893 Thankyou for your question.
I am x Army Reserve 1981 era, howdy. I found out something..NY was Bettys notes, and on the same page you can see " Marie".
Amelia is calling communications centres in New York, and Marie PORTS , shipping...as they were on the reef and water efge.
If you look at the ways Amelia was calling, she referred to Howland, as its official names x2.
If you also look at Nikumororo history...you will discover that they were not there on 2nd day after touchdown.
The Norwich city reference would only be for position, but they already transmitted their position, with dateline error of
60 Nautical miles error. I am researching the communications , and its way outside of Tighar's research zone.
Also the radio skip zone fits with the doubling transmissions.... 2 at tbe same time. The engines were bigger and more
Thirsty than Tighar listed, she had guages nearly on empty by Winslow reef. The 100moctane takeoff tank was only 1/2
Full, because 100 octane was not supplied at Lae. Only the low grade flight fuel.
@@usveteran9893 easy to answer....
Betty herself said on tv, that NY means New York,
and what else did she say Marie,Marie.......
So, being on the reef, or down, she needed marine rescue,
She already called Itasca and WP Howland, so she tried to call the MAJOR
radio centres at the shipping ports of
1 New York
2 Marie ports communications centres,
And .. and she received the KGMB program that was asking her to send dashes...
they were pe cil marked on her radio dial,tunable,remote.
Plus...
I was able to prove her lower antenna was not damaged at Lae.
lots of rubbish on the internet.....
There is a teansmission on day 9 after touchdown,
which is very interesting.
It is the day on which the batteries could not support the the transmitter properly.
The short fading bursts of power were the result of repeated attempts to get on the air
with flat batteries.
Look up "TIGHAR post loss radio analysis" for more on this.
@@andrewstevenson118 Thankyou, yes i saw those logs and lots of other logs..
I plan to read as many logs as i can because I keep finding interesting info in there
@@radiotruck8135 It's quite fascinating. I haven't decided on what I think happened. Probably made it to the island, but with no wreckage found, it pushes me back to crash-and-sink. There's a doco called "In search of Amelia" (I think) narrated by Allison Janney that may be worth looking for.
There was an interesting and poignant story about Amelia and Fred Noonan that was done in a Star Trek Voyager episode intitled "The 37's " from the second season of the series that presents a very imaginative reason for her disappearance.
That is interesting. Thanks for mentioning it. I have been trying to find it to watch. Maybe after taxes.
You mis-spelled "intitled!" Its ENTITLED!!! Did you miss Spelling Class ???
@@meteorfive6 Actually eire or could br used. However, you could be troling for an arguement.
We “should just move on”? Nope.
I've had a close look at this incident & it is my humble opinion the plane is to the north north west of Howland Island, perhaps within 100km (60 miles). The plane is not to the south of Howland Island, as a lot of pundits suggest, & it certainly did not land on the exposed reef platform of Gardner Island everyone suggests it reached. That idea is preposterous! For 2 million US a dedicated search using Ocean Infinity technology would probably find it within 20 days (unless the whole thing has since been silted over)..
After watching a number of dcoumentaries and reading about various theories, I think that she landed on a hostile island and either became a lifelong slave or murdered quickly following capture. Just my opinion
She disappeared over the ocean. Are you saying something along the line of Gilligan Island??????
@@kyereCat I used to think so too until new evidence and theories have come up in recent years suggesting otherwise czcams.com/video/DhUdydmpV68/video.html
@@JoshuaSamuel89 Thanks.
Or maybe she was smart enough to try and land on Winslow reef. It is huge flat 8km
@@kyereCat a three hour tour lol. She met the Skipper and the Professor 😂
How many obnoxious commercials do you need??
with no morse keys onboard, only PTT CW with genemotor startup for each dot or dash
was possible for these non technical operators. ptt cw was heard and logged from them
Reading the logbooks may help here.
Amelia Earhart is adventurer, traveler, and a beautiful brave test pilot. Amelia Earhart RIP 🙏
Strength of radio signal, which was on AM signal, depends on Radio Amplifier. Even if AM amplifier had, say, 100 Watt output, signal at altitude of 1000 feet and over sea, could travel/reach distance of few hundred kilometers.
Itasca should have fired fliers instead emitting smoke or fire star burst shells.
Hi, I am hoping to help here. I am a high level valve radio technician,
The transmitter was 50 watts on 3105 khz, 6210 khz , both having a zone called the skip zone where
No signal can be heard beyond say 30 miles out to 100 miles... i could be more specific, but HF does not behave
Like VHF line of sight. There is actual proof of this in the logs where a radio opsrator could hear Itasca and Amelia
Calling at the same time....unable to hear Amelia at Itasca location. This is like black donut of no reception with the
Centre of the donut at the radio set. The cloud cover conductance is not a myth, its real, so some cloud cover can help,
Cheers, Andrew
You are just crazy! As in the bat shit type !!!
The sad truth is that Amelia ran out of fuel at night over a very dark Pacific ocean with no moon to illuminate any island or landing site. I believe she and Noonan crashed into the ocean and died on impact as hitting water is like concrete as many plane crashes into water flip the plane rather than the Hollywood safe and soft landing. The plane sunk vanishing into tens of thousands of feet of water never to be seen again. Noonan was most likely as in the movie Amelia, passed out drunk and useless to help which is why she drifted off course to begin with as he was a tremendous navigator but black out drunk who had been binging on the entire round the world journey. The Japanese also had no military presence in the South Pacific in 1937 and her last radio call wouldn't have been what line they were on, but mayday we are being attacked.
Every wet landing of lockheed electras, the plane stopped safely with no breakup.
The depth of the water at Winslow reef was about 2 feet.
This feels more like a plug for women’s lib than a story about Amelia, and it seems to me there’s more information about what happened to her than what they’re saying.
It’s a bad plug, lady died
They died on gardener island that's been known for decades. I don't understand why people keep the mystery alive if there is no mystery. Just a sad story with no happy ending. There are many of those. Take Lindberg who wasn't the first person to fly over the ocean, not even in single flight.
It's been theorised for decades, never 'known'. I personally think she's at the bottom of the Pacific because she missed Howland Island.
U can add the Wright brothers, who werent actually the first to achieve powered flight. Its all about the PR.
Please post the proof, or ref to a newspaper article,
You might have info we all need to see...
@@dfuher968 Who were the first to achieve powered fight?
“They” are keeping the mystery alive because they can make money from it. A certain non-profit organization has made a lot of money claiming she died on Gardner Island.
Can’t make any money saying she sank to the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. Unless you actually find her plane.
But , if she is on the island, you just have to keep looking and looking….and looking ….while people pay you to help do that.
I wonder if the Itasca could have tried setting off some flares. Give Amelia a visual clue as to her needed vector.
Lockheed engineers stated clearly that tbe plane could not sink if intact.
This was due to the large nu ber of empty fuel tanks
You need to watch unsolved mysteries season 3 episode 8 they talk about Amelia earhart
Mysterious? It surprising she made it that far. She did not have enough experience. Early version of just cause im a woman im good enough. She shoulda got better and then done it.
Didn't she have a home in Vermont?
I watched another video today concerning Amelia's disappearance. The conclusion of that video , made by a pilot and navigator of 40+ years was errors were made by the team behind Amelia, and Amelia and her navigator, as well as the Navy, that had sent a ship out of Hawaii, to act as a look out, and also a logistic aid. This video seemed like a feminist promotion tool, as there were comments made to emphasize her lack of interest in having children and the traditional role of women and families. What was exceptional, was the vintage videos from that era !
🎉 " Where is Amelia " ??? ...
There is no doubt in my mind that her bones are someplace on Saipan and her plane is underneath Alito Airport in pieces. 200 marines CAN'T be wrong.👌😉
The Lockheed was disassembled and shipped to Japan. Earhart and Noonan, both very ill with dysentery were executed by the Japanese on Saipan as spies. The bodies were burned and buried. Earhart attended a secret meeting subsequent to her flight at March Army Airfield in Southern California while her Lockheed was repaired and modified at their Burbank facility. At the March Field briefing, she was advised of the Japanese presence in that part of the Pacific. It was very possible that Lockheed installed a similar hidden camera system to the one they installed in Sydney Cotten’s Lockheed 12A wings for secret aerial photography over Germany prior to the beginning of WW2. Amelia’s fully fueled takeoff from Hawaii on her first attempt was a ruse to return the aircraft to Lockheed for similar modifications. These events are still classified with no immediate release date. Amelia was a patriot and a bonafide American hero.
@@rafetomsett5804 The take off accident at Hawaii was a ruse? 600 gallons of fuel in the fuselage behind the pilot. Intentionally wreck the airplane and risk a fire and explosion?
❤❤
There is definite evidence that the engines never ran after touchdown
2 things....
1.. Their friend who rushed to send a telegram to say she was on the radio, but the engines were not running
2.... The batteries went slowly flat, and she had the same battery storage as I have here...i know it well..
She did not have charging, or the batteries would have lasted lomger than tbe standard few days limit for the radio.
Is it true that the itaska heard her say she was going to Saipan?
I don't like this habit of undermining women who chose a more conventional path in order to enhance women who achieved something exceptional. Obviously, Amelia and Muriel were very different characters despite being sisters and that's a good thing. Btw Muriel was, by no means, just a housewife. Like her sister, she was a college graduate and she worked as a high school teacher for many years besides raising her children, which was not that common , most women didn't work at the time. One has to be appreciative of each life. What i find most remarkable is that after Amelia died she went on to perpetuate her sister's legacy and published several books that are valuable historical pieces. May i add what a relief it, actually, is to see that sisterhood is not always marked with rivalry and hostility as it is all too often depicted ?Amelia and Muriel Earhart were far more interesting and worthy of admiration, in my view, than the mundane socialite Bouvier sisters.
She was seen in an episode of Star Trek Voyager called The 37’s
How sad , she was so brave for her great task, hopefully soon she will be found there around.
Considering she disappeared in 1937 - ?
The American government has always known that she and the other guy was captured by the Japanese and held for years. I never figured out why they left her there
Could you imagine being eaten by coconut crabs slowly and like trying to make friends and reason with them in a dark cave.
Fuck around.
If she landed at gardener she suffered horribly probably battered from the landing and then eaten by coconut crabs...if she landed in the pacific and survived the crash she would have been eaten by sharks...best case scenerio is her bones survive on the island...
How about DNA?
It’s not mysterious at all, she ran out of gas, how hard is that to understand
Spoiler alert !!!
@@OursK85 😂
There’s no question in my mind that she died a castaway on Gardner Island. There is actually quite a bit of physical evidence beyond what was mentioned in this vid.
Because of the headwind and climbing over a storm, huge amounts of extra fuel were burned.
When she was in vicinty of Howland, fuel was running low.
If she made it to Winslow reef, maybe, but Gardner was a lot further....100s of kms...
Really on empty guages....you wouldnt land on Winslow reef ?
It appeared to have a foot of water ovrr it, but reality sets in....its more like 2 foot deep i real life.
The Japanese probably got her and Fred Noonan.
@@johnzeszut3170 The evidence does not support that conclusion.
That’s a nice theory… The TRUTH? She became a cab driver in Jersey, with Elvis and Tupac! 🤣
@@radiotruck8135 You're not accounting for the possibility that she had drifted south, unable to take a position at night due to cloud cover, of her planned track over the 19-hour flight. Go to TIGHAR and read all the evidence they have. They have answered the fuel question.
She was executed by the Japanese on Saipan in 1944.
Absolutely 💯
Another typical Tighar bent. There's no evidence Earhart, Noonan or her plane has been found on Gardner Island - Not her bones, not Noonan's sextant box, not her shoe (she wore a 6 1/2, the shoe found was a nine) recent evidence of habitation turned out to be an old fence line from an earlier colonization. The sextant box came from a ship that had broken up years earlier, several of its crew drowned.
Gillespie is a thieving prick. He's been doing people out of money for years with this fairy tale.
TIGHAR trumpets when supposed "evidence" is found and recovered and later on it just does not pan out putting a kibosh on their theory....
The Electra's range was 4,500 miles, even without the additional fuel she took. So, how does she run out of gas after flying 1,900 miles? Nobody addresses the fuel anomaly and uncritically accepts the "out of gas" hypothesis. With the extra fuel, the plane could have easily reached the Marshall Islands, whose government issued a series of stamps depicting Amelia, Fred Noonan, and a Japanese soldier taking them into custody.
The aircraft did not have that range. A theoretical range envisioned by Kelly Johnson before the plane was built.
Actually fuel consumption documented by Earhart on her first round the world flight. Then on the second attempt. She kept fastidious fuel consumption records and that was sent back at each stop. The aircraft was stripped bare at Lae to save weight. Lae to Howland was near the limit of the aircraft range. AE even said so.
Lockheed's Maximum Range Report
Nelson of Lockheed in June of 1936. The report was evidently prepared to convince Amelia Earhart that the Electra 10E was suitable for her upcoming World Flight. In the report Mr. Johnson estimates that the aircraft has a maximum range of 4100-4500 miles and a flight time of 26-30 hours.@@raoulcruz4404
Maximum zero wind range is probably around 3000 -3500 miles. Telegrams, March 1937, between AE and Kelly J show something different for the world flight. Maximum range airspeed is much slower than Best performance which was 150 mph. This was the trade off for time versus distance.
There were two other factors that decreased the range. By her radio reports she was not flying at optimum altitude for about 4 hours of flying. Also, she reported a headwind of 26 mph. That puts her groundspeed at 124 mph. Keep in mind that during the step climb to 10k’ her true airspeed was around 130 mph and burning more fuel than Optimal cruise.
At the beginning of the search, Lockheed engineers determined she was out gas after 19hrs 45 min flying. She reported “circling “ after 19hr30min flying.
She was such a strong independent woman BUT she couldn’t navigate her own plane, she had to have a man with her doing all the work
Not your best video.
🦈🦈🦈🦈got'em
Two words: Coconut Crabs 😮
She was DEFINITELY (and horrifically) eaten by a swarm of coconut crabs. Like that’s what happened and that’s just way worse than when she was missing… ugh
Did they eat the plane also??????
@@kyereCat well at least not all of it as they identified pieces of it as well being her plane… but her end is on my list right below being ripped apart my chimps and stranded at sea and slowly eaten by sharks
What?
Calab
Not the first woman to have crabs.🤣
BTW- The collective name for Crabs is-
Adose of Crabs
They needed a better navigator, a more stable person than Noonan. I wonder why they didn't get one. It would have made a difference in the outcome.
Fred Noonan was a hopeless drunk, but he was the only one they could get to fly with her because she had a poor reputation in the aviation community. Many accidents and close calls due to her pilot error. Personally, she was more about publicity and fame than she was about aviation.
@@jservice6594 I've read that on her flight to Paris, where she ended up in Ireland instead, that she overruled Noonan's navigational instructions.
@@sirridesalot6652 Noonan wasn't with her on the Atlantic solo flight was he?
@@jservice6594. Manning was her first navigator. He was replaced by Putnam. Putnam’s ignorance of navigation caused this. Noonan was one of the best navigators of his day.
Amelia was a mediocre pilot, her prime failings beimg lack of understanding of technology and conseqenses of her actions. Two very female traits.
I thought this was going to be about her disappearance, not a feminist screed
She's still alive hanging with Elvis and Tupac😂
@maryfrancesbeckerhaggerty5353: Yes, and with Edward II of England, Hitler and that guy from Rolling Stones who didn't live forever like the rest of the band 🙂
@@henriknielsen1662 😂😂😂
i think this mystery will be bought about a simple correction table error from 1937 tables. Fred Noonan would have known that he would be crossing the international date line. This is an important navigation mark that as you across to the states it known you lose a day, coming back you gain a day. I went to the states in October 83 departed Sydney then the first waypoint as the captain we are flying over the Fijian Islands Within 10 hours we were in Hawaii. Earhart course from Lae New Guinea is almost the same plot line as the course going to San Francisco that we did. how land is is approx. the halfway point from Sydney but is above the equator. My point is what sextant position did Fred Noonan got when he was about to cross the dateline. was he over the dateline or was he on his side of the line. When he did the sextant mark, he may have been on the incorrect side of the date line thus he took out the wrong correction tables for 1937 if he did, he would have been off course. but not a lot but the point his even if he was only off course, he would not have known how much. i think he may had been off course by only 60 miles. Now someone in the comments below has said the same thing only by 60 miles you may think 60 miles is not a lot but a long flight from Lae new guinea to Howland and you have to relies she didn't give regular position checks with the coast guard I've heard so many theories. But if he incorrectly got the wrong table out to give his intercept course it would result in disaster. If someone also see this theory, they should put a position circle of 60 miles then do a sonar search and then we will know if this might play out correctly Any comments welcome. Simon MacDonald
Noonan had to have been as exhausted as Amelia- 19 hours in the air, stressed out from lack of sleep, all that unimaginable noise from the engines, the worries about fuel consumption - then, to compound it all - her bouncing, nearly botched takeoff at Lae - which some film clips seem to bear out that she tore the receiving antenna out from under the airplane, effectively taking away any communication with the Itasca. With all the prior stated, realistically - is Noonan's making a fatal navigation error out of the question ??
@@ervinthompson6598 An antenna was not lost at Lae. That antenna was removed when the plane was in Miami.
Whats the big deal about this chick?
So she flew an airplane over some water, several times.
'disappeared' because she knew the truth
What ‘truth’? Please, no more of these conspiracy theories!
@@ES11777 Im guessing the "truth" about Trump?????😂😂
What a shame she was never able to actually come out to the world as a lesbian.. everyone certainly knew in the aviation world she was, but, not many outside of that group knew.
"Everyone" knew, did they? And no-one said anything, even after she died?
Omg this must be the most ridiculous comment I’ve read here. Why are lgbtq people trying to make everything about lgbtq?
Lmfao
So what if she was, you are going to hold against her Shame on You.
Beauty? Where?
@h99n02 inside maybe?
Airhead was the first women to die flying. Yipee
Try looking up Harriet Quimby, brainiac. Do you keep your brain in its original wrapper in case you ever need it?
Harriet Quimby
Says you in your sad jocks in the basement of your mum's house.