Laugh all you want, but these cards were going up to $1000 in the era of ETH craze. Especially when DAG went over 4GB and 8 GB cards could not support 2 DAGs.
Use Lossless scaling, because if you got bottleneck form vram the upscales can't help you because it takes from vram so 8 GB won't help you in Forza horizon , Flight simulator nor Star Wars Jedi Survivors.
Those crazy Chinese. I looked into these weird cards, along with the 16GB RX580 2048SP's I found mentions of an Frankenstein RTX 3080M with 16GB of VRAM! I made a few enquiries to the various Aliexpress/Alibaba sellers and yeah it does exist, the price was crazy though. I still kinda want one. Supposedly there is a 16GB 3070M 16GB version too but I couldn't ever find one. What I do know is that there is something called the Frankendriver project which makes these weird frankenstein high VRAM mobile Nvidia cards actually usable.
@@seanwood5443that one doesn't require any custom firmware though, it's legit just a 2080 ti with 16Gb GDDR6 modules instead of 8Gb ones. you also move a resistor around on the PCB to adjust the memory straps to accomodate the new memory chips
@@user-yt9yg5se8u The 3080M 16GB would be a pretty good Stable Diffusion card, I think it's roughly the speed of a desktop 3060Ti but lots of VRAM is good for machine learning stuff.
2048sp is such a let down for an 16gbvram the original 2304sp is much better and i think this is a mining card that just refurbished to modified chips and boards and just putting some low quality heatsinks
I reckon even the full 2304 SP will not have the grunt to use 8GB of VRAM, let alone 16 GB. That's why these only exist in the 7600XT, 6800 / 7800 and above for AMD and RTX 3090Ti, RTX 4070 Ti and above for nVidia, and the Arc 770 for Intel.
@@shadowopsairman1583 it's a 580, but the 2048sp makes the performance almost identical. The dye on both original 570 and 580 are the same, which means this is not a 570, it's a downgraded 580.
Borderlands 3 launched with the parameter -notexturestreaming eliminates the game's notorious stutter by loading all the textures at once. Uses ~12GB of vram at 1440p and load times are longer (but stutter is almost completely gone). Another older game with high vram usage is Far Cry 5 with the HD texture pack enabled. ~11GB at 1440p
you should have tested EFT (Streets of Tarkov map) or Gray Zone Warfare, both use up to 24GB of VRAM at higher settings and resolution, maybe in another video you can test that?
@@FireCestina1200 Brother it can! I have a friend with an RTX 4090 and he showed me the metrics and the VRAM usage was around 23GB out of 24GB especially in Streets of Tarkov map!
This card never used over 8GB. The first number is Allocated VRAM. The second one is the used VRAM and it never went over 8.25 GB. Not once. Now, if I am wrong and those numbers are reversed, which would still make sense, it means the game is being allocated the full 8GB but is using a little bit more as it's there. Either way, unless the driver knows the memory is there, it's next to useless. I would look for a modded driver for this.
I wonder whether it's down to the way RX580 manages its VRAM. It's possible that, knowing their cards will only go up to 8GB, AMD never bothered doing any optimization for handling (loading/clearing) large amounts of memory. Or it's just down to low-end memory chips.
Could you run some benchmarks between the 8g and 16g with OLLAMA and Mistral? Afaik this gpu should be powerful enough to run either model but, the 16g should be able to run either with less quantization for more relevant responses.
Before Covid hit, but after the crazy Etherium mining boom, there was an eBay seller in Manchester UK selling Sapphire branded RX580's with 1 year warranty and refurbished by Sapphire themselves (new shrouds, fans + thermal paste) in a plain brown box for £65 each, £62 each if you bought more than 3. I actually bought 3, because I needed a card for my kids PC and figured I'd have two spare decent cards to put into builds or just as backups. A year or so later, the Covid price hike happened, and I sold those two spare cards for £300 each. When I originally bought those three cards, I had around £40k in my savings account. Imagine if I'd have dumped the entire lot on every singe RX580, RX570, RX480 and RX470 those guys were selling! I'd be a millionaire.
@@sergedna Yeah, I mean theres no way I'd have done it - that was our entire life savings and I don't gamble and I don't have a good income. But in THEORY, if.... XD
This would be good for VRChat, as that game hogs RAM of any kind. VRAM or system RAM it doesn't care. The extra VRAM can also help if a game just bulk loads the assets and doesn't require further loading, which can help with framerate stability. This could be useful for GPU enclosures with limited PCI-E bandwidths.
@@Avgosbos LOL wut? The Discord mods are the laughing stock WITHIN the VRC community. I've been there for 4 years regularly and have seen lots of shiet, including KKK raids and actual Christian preachers.
FH5 and probably others start "skipping" items when out of VRAM. This is why the 8gb card handily outperforms the 16gb one even though it's "out" of VRAM. I still support this existing, even if it's fundamentally a weird idea... Although not entirely unheard of, as AMD themselves stacked together two 16gb 2304 580s on a single card. Yes, you read that right. Two of everything, for a total 32gb of VRAM.
@@kingeling It's definitely a waste in the context of a 2048SP for gaming. But it's fun hackery and interesting because of it... And the potential of taking an actually-VRAM-constricted card and bringing it into the modern era.
for VRAM test you need proper workloads focussing VRAM directly while being less impacted by unified core counts or speed, Blender 3D can be rly good for that on some 3D scenes, OCCT also have a VRAM stress test, generative AI workload of all kind can also be rly good to test out VRAM with models that would not fit into 8GB
can you do transcoding tests such as Jellyfin, plex etc? I'm verry curious how many stream this can can handle with 16gb of vram. I've subscribed to your channel to follow if you make this kind of videos in the future! Good video btw
Large Language Models ('AI') sometimes need more RAM. To the point where a hacked APU BIOS to give the iGPU more framebuffer is a valid way to run larger language models.
I miss my Rx580 and 570. I wish i haven't sold them . I'm a distributor of these cards on my local area and never got the chance to save one for myself as they sell like hotcakes still to this day. I only get to used them during testing and benchmarks but it is one of the best cards i tested and sold.
The memory is pointless in the games it can handle. But if you use it for things other than games. That extra memory does come handy. Things like running local chat GPT type of servers.
Went pretty much as well as I expected - more VRAM does you little good when the GPU itself doesn't have the pixel-pushing power for how high details have to get cranked up to actually use it. If you prioritize getting to 60+fps (or 40+ with adaptive/g-sync) over eye-candy, 8GB is enough to cover most of the details entry-level (~$200) GPUs can handle.
Exactly. 16GB on radeon vii doesn't help it at all for gaming nor the extra on 1080ti. They are not man enough to power games and resolutions that require that extra vram. 3090 will be the same.
Not all of the settings in games affect your VRAM as much. Texture quality, model quality, distance LOD, ect will use your VRAM, but a lot of post-effects and stuff are more load on the GPU itself than the VRAM.
I would recommend testing older games that have UHD texture packs, such as Monster Hunter World, R6 Siege, and even Skyrim. They don't require too much compute but do necessitate a lot of VRAM.
The gpu might be made to use 16 gigs vram but it doesnt mean it can operate with all of it on 4k or 1440p... so its pretty hard to make it work with the 16 gigs vram on a aceptable framerate.
there is some point in time in which GPU might still push some game at min. settings but the minimal vram requirement of a given game will exceed the ammount of VRam that the GPU has... let's take GTX 960 for example... the 2gb version it is very limited since way back in the day for modern tittles. The raw power of the GPU might me around 1050ti performance, but with only 2gb of Vram many games won't even start. On the other hand, the 4gb vram version can still play many games. AMD never cheaped out in VRam, gpus like R7 370 already had a 4gb VRam version, and honestly in 90% of games a 4gb VRam setup will be just fine for 1080p. 8gb it is a need for very specific games (at this point in time, mid 2024) or higher resolutions BUT i'm pretty shure 3 or 4 years from now the 8gb version of the Rx 580 will still be running games that the 4gb won't... that being said... the raw GPU power and driver support won't make reasonable to use a 16gb vram version of the card. Maybe an Rx 590... and just maybe...
Hang on, its a 570 with less SP and you compared it to a 580? It's actually doing very well then lol. To equal a 580 just with more ram is quite interesting,maybe faster ram too? Curious what straps were.
I think doubling the vram isn't for gaming much, maybe for workstations whom use rendering applications? Those as am aware of require alot of vram to do their work despite what the card is.
Try max/med settings but at low resolution and use upscaller too. Then play an open world game that has a free flying camera mod and fly the map completely to max out vram. Memory bound issues are seen as stutters, but when your gpu core is loaded at 100% you can't really see them.
You did the mod to the card right the problem is is the software. Amd does give you drivers but the problem is it says 16gb and it doesn't use it the reason why is because you need a custom rx 580 driver to utilise it I've seen it happen before with other youtubers and the problem is nobody realy makes custom drivers for anything but if you look around hard enough you might be able to find a sketchy driver it should use the vram that is allocated on the rx 580 16gb
Could be nice for NCNN based AI tasks but using it only for AI is not a good idea. It would be nice to see a comparison with emulators such as Dolphin.
16gb does not mean you can game in 4k, the RX series are made to game only at 1080p with a mixture of graphics settings but the video was nice to watch
2048 sp is just rebrand of RX 570, so basically the real rx 580 will outperform the 2048 sp version I think scenario to put more weight in vram is mod the game with ultra texture then you can try to compare
It's not just about the quantity of extra memory but also the bus width that widens (adding chips on the backside is like going from single channel to dual channel in CPU ram terms ) as well as the memory speed it self (compared to what it had prior to that)
No it doesn’t for this GPU, the bus width is still 256 bit even with double the VRAM, this is the equivalent of adding a 2nd bank of ram on the same channels.
@@thegeforce6625 still the other factors apply but I wouldn't be so sure for the bus width either unless the connection on both sides are physically the same which I doubt, extra connections more bits in parallel, if it says so in gpuz or what not I still wouldn't be sure because it reads what the bios tells it to that's how scammers make e.g trick GPU z to read a let's say Rx 470 as a rx580 and over sell you that...
@@billkillernicclamshell mode halves the functional width of the chips, so they go from 32 bits to 2x clamshelled 16 bit modules. bandwidth is the same because the bus width is the same. and even the combined width of the memory is the same because double the modules at half of their width each is the same width as simply having the basic 8x 32 bit modules. you don't even get the benefit of dual rank memory because again, it's still 256 bit width across a 256 bit bus, not a dual rank 512 bit width across a 256 bit bus. do note that dual rank is not the same as dual channel. you will NEVER double bandwidth by adding additional modules of the same speed across the same sized memory controller. dual rank instead allows for interleaving commands across the chips. this results in a minor bandwidth improvement
the 16GB of VRAM might be useful (or it'd be proper to say nice to have) for doing stuff like 2D waifu generation using Stable Diffusion, 2D image upscaling and denoising using waifu2x, or 2D art and/or general image restoration using RealESRGAN
It's pretty stupid, but could probably be useful for AI like stable diffusion, as they're really VRAM-dependent. Still going to be quite slow though, would be cooler if they pulled this off with at least a 5700XT, which also legit could benefit from an extra couple gigs in gaming.
Why using MSAA and Max Settings ? it make no sense, MSAA need a lot of Compute Power, not Memory, and Max Settings on Most Games is for most powerfull GPU.
You would be able to get the benefits down the line with newer games and improved fsr3 frame generation mods to where you could probably get over 30fps but not with 4k. Fsr3.1 will decouple frame generation so you could even use frame generation without mods later so yeah other than the sp 16gb vram would be useful.
With this video then people would not getting fooled by taking a graphics card which not powerful engine but with more vram, cuz the vram it self is being made for decent numbers and for the chipset which can manage.
The 580 was (still is) a 1080p card, absolutely not suitable for 2k or 4k gaming. When games like GTA V or rdr2 came out, 8gb of vram were almost overkill for 1080p gaming. I still have a 480 from Zotac, rocking on my daughter's rig.
For most close/over 200-250 bus speed card. Having more/faster memory can be very useful (especially powerful) for the RX580 speed so slow than you will not gain more performance. You might be able to max out more on graphics. But you still will have less FPS. Additional note (especially for dumb Nvidia user or peopke with low knowledge) if a game need 9GB of VRAM and your card have 8GB. Even if the card will use less than 8GB it's just because it will cut some graphics. Or you will have less FPS. That's why if you compare a 4070 and a 7800XT. You can have the 4070 using 11 584 MB and the 7800XT 13 684 MB it's not the card managing worse his memory. It's the game cutting on some graphics.
Those extra vrams will help you a lot. By lot I mean A LOTTTT. In productivity applications such as Catia, Cinema 4D, Adobe primer and most importantly Photoshop that's solely dependent on VRAMs 💯✨ maybe it's for creative people on a budget. Because at that price range 16GB GPUs are basically non existent 😅
with such an old card and a low end one (not for the price) does putting more vram really do anything if the rest of the card cant support the graphics that use up that much vram
If my original RX 480 8GB actually had 16GB I wouldn't be swapping to system memory in Conan Exiles years back. That game was regularly at 10GB of vram out of 8GB that I had.
The only thing this modified card would be good for is getting more life mining ⛏️ on the same card!! The extra vram would be definitely used even a modded Bios and using 2gb chips to equal 32gb vram would also be used up in a mining ⛏️ rig but for gaming the textures are just not big enough to use up the ram.
could you try putting them in crossfire? Since VRAM isn’t doubled but rather shared, maybe having the 16gb vram shared between that and the 8gb model could be a use case?
I have two 8gb 2304 variants, and their performance in crossfire is dismal compared to a single card. About half the frame rate in most games that support multi GPUs...
You should not test it at 4k despite it being possible, the rx580 was always a 1080 card no matter the vram, also 16gb with only 1 hdmi port seem to be futile, and actually most modified old cards with double the vram have also double the ports because they are aimed for multiple screen use (750ti 4gb/8gb with 6 hdmi for example). Basically this card is a waste for the manufacturer and the buyer unless it has multiple ports for +2 screen which is what it was meant for.
Its not a special GPU or anything; Polaris PRO was released with 16GB for computational / rendering tasks. Some clever chinese figured out by hacking and flashing in a bios into a RX580 with different memory modules would work. If you wonder why AMD did not do this, back at the time chances where likely that there where 2Gbit chips available; so they stuck with 1Gbit chips.
Maybe try using the gpu for stable diffusion or ai art work. Those applications use alot of vram. Sadly stable diffusion isn't easy to set up for amd cards
Laugh all you want, but these cards were going up to $1000 in the era of ETH craze. Especially when DAG went over 4GB and 8 GB cards could not support 2 DAGs.
Seems like it would've been a good time for me to have a few to sell. Unfortunately I never did.
@@ArtisChronicles One of imperfections of this world are right events happening at the wrong time 😁😆
Its Scalping Time!
What is DAG?
@@lebbiiyy Directed Acyclic Graph . Somewhat complex thing, but basically it keeps record of transactions. And grows over time, naturally 😁
Use Lossless scaling, because if you got bottleneck form vram the upscales can't help you because it takes from vram so 8 GB won't help you in Forza horizon , Flight simulator nor Star Wars Jedi Survivors.
Those crazy Chinese.
I looked into these weird cards, along with the 16GB RX580 2048SP's I found mentions of an Frankenstein RTX 3080M with 16GB of VRAM! I made a few enquiries to the various Aliexpress/Alibaba sellers and yeah it does exist, the price was crazy though.
I still kinda want one. Supposedly there is a 16GB 3070M 16GB version too but I couldn't ever find one. What I do know is that there is something called the Frankendriver project which makes these weird frankenstein high VRAM mobile Nvidia cards actually usable.
theres also a 2080ti with 22gbs of ram
@@seanwood5443that one doesn't require any custom firmware though, it's legit just a 2080 ti with 16Gb GDDR6 modules instead of 8Gb ones. you also move a resistor around on the PCB to adjust the memory straps to accomodate the new memory chips
I guess those are mine card
@@user-yt9yg5se8u The 3080M 16GB would be a pretty good Stable Diffusion card, I think it's roughly the speed of a desktop 3060Ti but lots of VRAM is good for machine learning stuff.
I want one now. Lol.
Use it for AI models, llama via ROCm setup, they typically use more VRAM and rely less on the raw speed of the GPU itself.
2048sp is such a let down for an 16gbvram the original 2304sp is much better and i think this is a mining card that just refurbished to modified chips and boards and just putting some low quality heatsinks
I reckon even the full 2304 SP will not have the grunt to use 8GB of VRAM, let alone 16 GB.
That's why these only exist in the 7600XT, 6800 / 7800 and above for AMD and RTX 3090Ti, RTX 4070 Ti and above for nVidia, and the Arc 770 for Intel.
Well, it is a mining card 😁
2048 sp is a 570 rebadged as a 580 in chyna
@@MusicHavenSGNot even the 7600 is able to use the full 16GB in gaming scenarios
@@shadowopsairman1583 it's a 580, but the 2048sp makes the performance almost identical. The dye on both original 570 and 580 are the same, which means this is not a 570, it's a downgraded 580.
Borderlands 3 launched with the parameter -notexturestreaming eliminates the game's notorious stutter by loading all the textures at once. Uses ~12GB of vram at 1440p and load times are longer (but stutter is almost completely gone).
Another older game with high vram usage is Far Cry 5 with the HD texture pack enabled. ~11GB at 1440p
Yeah Far Cry 5 is a good example. GR Breakpoint as well. A 16gb RX 580 would definitely benefit in these games if you just want higher res textures
Far cry5 is already an old game? 💀
@@BrenoAgmL 2018 iirc which is 6 years ago
@@abesmissioncontrol2013
6 years inst old.
@@BrenoAgmL it's pretty old
Now this is my kind of content. subbed.
imo, it's wrong to call that an RX 580, when it is clearly an RX 570
nobody asked
@@white_mage "nobody asked" you to comment either
@@RANDOMNATION907 yeah same
Nobody asked²@@white_mage
sus name for a gpu
LOL @ THS gpu not workingproperly hey China fix your sh it please.
Wtf are you talking about
@@AgentLazarusWatch the video.
@@JubbLaRacing no.
@@AgentLazarus, You don't want to Save A Dic?
could you test Stable Diffusion or any LLM, these kind of applications need that vram
True ma boi
i was gonna say this i might get it as a second gpu just for that.. i have an 6900xtx atm
RAM doesn't matter if the GPU itself sucks for AI.
@@tendosingh5682 ik but its the Same for the opposite and for ~100 you get 16gb and are able to Run sdxl without running Out of vram.
No ROCM = bad time
you should have tested EFT (Streets of Tarkov map) or Gray Zone Warfare, both use up to 24GB of VRAM at higher settings and resolution, maybe in another video you can test that?
eft reserves vram it can get but actual used vram for me was under 10 gigs on 1440p high
I doubt that a game could even use 24GB of VRAM my friend
@@FireCestina1200 Brother it can! I have a friend with an RTX 4090 and he showed me the metrics and the VRAM usage was around 23GB out of 24GB especially in Streets of Tarkov map!
@@abcd-vk8zn But not when you enable streaming mode, Streaming textures in real time is heavy on the VRAM trust me
I don't play streets so I didn't know it was that bad
These cards would be perfect for localised AI workload which must be the sole reason for their creation
that's exactly what i was thinking. So many people think that a gpu's sole purpose is gaming
I'm from China and as indie developers i heard there are fair amount of ppl using this for content creation/AI purposes.
tbh I think this just makes it useful in stable diffusion as the 16gb vram will be actually used
"All solid state design" Wowsers! No vacuum tubes or tape machines? Amazing.
You could have also used frame scaling in GTA 5 to push the VRAM usage even further, like much further absurdly further even
This card never used over 8GB. The first number is Allocated VRAM. The second one is the used VRAM and it never went over 8.25 GB. Not once. Now, if I am wrong and those numbers are reversed, which would still make sense, it means the game is being allocated the full 8GB but is using a little bit more as it's there. Either way, unless the driver knows the memory is there, it's next to useless. I would look for a modded driver for this.
Doom eternal can consume over 7GB on a RX580 / 1440p. Try it.
I wonder whether it's down to the way RX580 manages its VRAM. It's possible that, knowing their cards will only go up to 8GB, AMD never bothered doing any optimization for handling (loading/clearing) large amounts of memory. Or it's just down to low-end memory chips.
Well, it's clearly just an RX570 that they decided to market as an RX580.
I didn't think the 2048sp was a guess. It was aimed at internet cafes in China specifically.
congrats on 1k ^_^ , good video .
Could you run some benchmarks between the 8g and 16g with OLLAMA and Mistral? Afaik this gpu should be powerful enough to run either model but, the 16g should be able to run either with less quantization for more relevant responses.
Need 4070 with 24gb vram
From 10 fps to 13.5 fps on Flight Sim is large increase on performance! Dammmm
Another 10fps or so you could have a console experience.
THE DICA WHAT
The Dica Saver! You wouldn't want your Dica to not be saved, would you?
Lol, and here I thought it was pronounced dic-azz-vr...
dic a saver
Thermal pads on plastic backplate?
Dont you want your gpu to melt while gaming? Whats wrong with you?
Before Covid hit, but after the crazy Etherium mining boom, there was an eBay seller in Manchester UK selling Sapphire branded RX580's with 1 year warranty and refurbished by Sapphire themselves (new shrouds, fans + thermal paste) in a plain brown box for £65 each, £62 each if you bought more than 3.
I actually bought 3, because I needed a card for my kids PC and figured I'd have two spare decent cards to put into builds or just as backups.
A year or so later, the Covid price hike happened, and I sold those two spare cards for £300 each.
When I originally bought those three cards, I had around £40k in my savings account. Imagine if I'd have dumped the entire lot on every singe RX580, RX570, RX480 and RX470 those guys were selling! I'd be a millionaire.
Thats with everything... if..
@@sergedna Yeah, I mean theres no way I'd have done it - that was our entire life savings and I don't gamble and I don't have a good income. But in THEORY, if.... XD
This would be good for VRChat, as that game hogs RAM of any kind. VRAM or system RAM it doesn't care.
The extra VRAM can also help if a game just bulk loads the assets and doesn't require further loading, which can help with framerate stability. This could be useful for GPU enclosures with limited PCI-E bandwidths.
no one would play vrchat though
@@Avgosbos Wdym nobody would? This ain't 2017 no more, there's plenty of people over there.
@@fungo6631 i dont think you got what i meant, yk that game's community is bassically discord mods
@@Avgosbos LOL wut? The Discord mods are the laughing stock WITHIN the VRC community.
I've been there for 4 years regularly and have seen lots of shiet, including KKK raids and actual Christian preachers.
@@AvgosbosHave you ever actually been in VRC? I have and I've seen more 4chan /pol/ edgelords than Discord mods.
FH5 and probably others start "skipping" items when out of VRAM. This is why the 8gb card handily outperforms the 16gb one even though it's "out" of VRAM.
I still support this existing, even if it's fundamentally a weird idea... Although not entirely unheard of, as AMD themselves stacked together two 16gb 2304 580s on a single card. Yes, you read that right. Two of everything, for a total 32gb of VRAM.
No.
16GB is seemingly a waste when paired with this GPU. It was only ever meant for mining with a large DAG and nothing else.
@@kingeling It's definitely a waste in the context of a 2048SP for gaming. But it's fun hackery and interesting because of it... And the potential of taking an actually-VRAM-constricted card and bringing it into the modern era.
for VRAM test you need proper workloads focussing VRAM directly while being less impacted by unified core counts or speed, Blender 3D can be rly good for that on some 3D scenes, OCCT also have a VRAM stress test, generative AI workload of all kind can also be rly good to test out VRAM with models that would not fit into 8GB
Honestly this sounds like it's a mining card rather than a gaming one, but I'm sure others will have suggested just that
Rx 580 is a legend, still going strong ❤
can you do transcoding tests such as Jellyfin, plex etc? I'm verry curious how many stream this can can handle with 16gb of vram. I've subscribed to your channel to follow if you make this kind of videos in the future! Good video btw
For my experience Plex n stuff is more CPU intensive. Since it fried the fuck out of my CPU. I might did something wrong though.
Large Language Models ('AI') sometimes need more RAM. To the point where a hacked APU BIOS to give the iGPU more framebuffer is a valid way to run larger language models.
The 780m can already use 16GB
The best case for these types of cards is for video editing and image rendering, CAD and other calculations
It’s like giving a decade old cpu more than 8 gigabytes of ram, once in a blue moon where it really benefits from it
my 570rx played warthunder like a champ, got a 6600xt/12100f combo now...again a more than adequate solution.
I miss my Rx580 and 570. I wish i haven't sold them . I'm a distributor of these cards on my local area and never got the chance to save one for myself as they sell like hotcakes still to this day. I only get to used them during testing and benchmarks but it is one of the best cards i tested and sold.
The memory is pointless in the games it can handle. But if you use it for things other than games. That extra memory does come handy. Things like running local chat GPT type of servers.
Same exact specs as a rx 570 so why did they bother calling it a 580 at all
Try running an LLM on these or run productivity, because that is where 16GB really shines
Went pretty much as well as I expected - more VRAM does you little good when the GPU itself doesn't have the pixel-pushing power for how high details have to get cranked up to actually use it. If you prioritize getting to 60+fps (or 40+ with adaptive/g-sync) over eye-candy, 8GB is enough to cover most of the details entry-level (~$200) GPUs can handle.
Exactly. 16GB on radeon vii doesn't help it at all for gaming nor the extra on 1080ti. They are not man enough to power games and resolutions that require that extra vram. 3090 will be the same.
i bought a couple of the to try and run large LLMs for super cheap, its a bit slow bit it works
Not all of the settings in games affect your VRAM as much. Texture quality, model quality, distance LOD, ect will use your VRAM, but a lot of post-effects and stuff are more load on the GPU itself than the VRAM.
Interesting. Only this and the VEGA FE have both 16gb VRAM and Crossfire support.
Just subbed hoping for a 100k subs this channel is great
I would recommend testing older games that have UHD texture packs, such as Monster Hunter World, R6 Siege, and even Skyrim. They don't require too much compute but do necessitate a lot of VRAM.
The gpu might be made to use 16 gigs vram but it doesnt mean it can operate with all of it on 4k or 1440p... so its pretty hard to make it work with the 16 gigs vram on a aceptable framerate.
there is some point in time in which GPU might still push some game at min. settings but the minimal vram requirement of a given game will exceed the ammount of VRam that the GPU has...
let's take GTX 960 for example... the 2gb version it is very limited since way back in the day for modern tittles. The raw power of the GPU might me around 1050ti performance, but with only 2gb of Vram many games won't even start. On the other hand, the 4gb vram version can still play many games.
AMD never cheaped out in VRam, gpus like R7 370 already had a 4gb VRam version, and honestly in 90% of games a 4gb VRam setup will be just fine for 1080p. 8gb it is a need for very specific games (at this point in time, mid 2024) or higher resolutions BUT i'm pretty shure 3 or 4 years from now the 8gb version of the Rx 580 will still be running games that the 4gb won't...
that being said... the raw GPU power and driver support won't make reasonable to use a 16gb vram version of the card. Maybe an Rx 590... and just maybe...
Keep running it , it will train in more
Hang on, its a 570 with less SP and you compared it to a 580? It's actually doing very well then lol. To equal a 580 just with more ram is quite interesting,maybe faster ram too? Curious what straps were.
I think doubling the vram isn't for gaming much, maybe for workstations whom use rendering applications? Those as am aware of require alot of vram to do their work despite what the card is.
Try max/med settings but at low resolution and use upscaller too. Then play an open world game that has a free flying camera mod and fly the map completely to max out vram.
Memory bound issues are seen as stutters, but when your gpu core is loaded at 100% you can't really see them.
You did the mod to the card right the problem is is the software. Amd does give you drivers but the problem is it says 16gb and it doesn't use it the reason why is because you need a custom rx 580 driver to utilise it I've seen it happen before with other youtubers and the problem is nobody realy makes custom drivers for anything but if you look around hard enough you might be able to find a sketchy driver it should use the vram that is allocated on the rx 580 16gb
would've been good to see actual use cases. Yeah showing max settings is cool but even mentioning 1080p high would've been cool.
Could be nice for NCNN based AI tasks but using it only for AI is not a good idea. It would be nice to see a comparison with emulators such as Dolphin.
16gb does not mean you can game in 4k, the RX series are made to game only at 1080p with a mixture of graphics settings but the video was nice to watch
2048 sp is just rebrand of RX 570, so basically the real rx 580 will outperform the 2048 sp version
I think scenario to put more weight in vram is mod the game with ultra texture then you can try to compare
It's not just about the quantity of extra memory but also the bus width that widens (adding chips on the backside is like going from single channel to dual channel in CPU ram terms ) as well as the memory speed it self (compared to what it had prior to that)
No it doesn’t for this GPU, the bus width is still 256 bit even with double the VRAM, this is the equivalent of adding a 2nd bank of ram on the same channels.
@@thegeforce6625 still the other factors apply but I wouldn't be so sure for the bus width either unless the connection on both sides are physically the same which I doubt, extra connections more bits in parallel, if it says so in gpuz or what not I still wouldn't be sure because it reads what the bios tells it to that's how scammers make e.g trick GPU z to read a let's say Rx 470 as a rx580 and over sell you that...
@@billkillernicclamshell mode halves the functional width of the chips, so they go from 32 bits to 2x clamshelled 16 bit modules. bandwidth is the same because the bus width is the same. and even the combined width of the memory is the same because double the modules at half of their width each is the same width as simply having the basic 8x 32 bit modules. you don't even get the benefit of dual rank memory because again, it's still 256 bit width across a 256 bit bus, not a dual rank 512 bit width across a 256 bit bus.
do note that dual rank is not the same as dual channel. you will NEVER double bandwidth by adding additional modules of the same speed across the same sized memory controller. dual rank instead allows for interleaving commands across the chips. this results in a minor bandwidth improvement
No, that's not how it works here
By adding more chips it does not. Its still a 256 bits card. And without "overclocked" memory speeds your gains will be zero.
the 16GB of VRAM might be useful (or it'd be proper to say nice to have) for doing stuff like 2D waifu generation using Stable Diffusion, 2D image upscaling and denoising using waifu2x, or 2D art and/or general image restoration using RealESRGAN
It's pretty stupid, but could probably be useful for AI like stable diffusion, as they're really VRAM-dependent. Still going to be quite slow though, would be cooler if they pulled this off with at least a 5700XT, which also legit could benefit from an extra couple gigs in gaming.
Why using MSAA and Max Settings ? it make no sense, MSAA need a lot of Compute Power, not Memory, and Max Settings on Most Games is for most powerfull GPU.
You would be able to get the benefits down the line with newer games and improved fsr3 frame generation mods to where you could probably get over 30fps but not with 4k. Fsr3.1 will decouple frame generation so you could even use frame generation without mods later so yeah other than the sp 16gb vram would be useful.
Frame gen with a base FPS of 15 would look awful (interpolation artifacts stay on screen much longer) and feel worse due to increased input lag
this would sell like hotcakes back in 2017 when eth mining was booming
i guess it's nice for loading big AI models for cheap
It doesn't support rocm tho so it's basically useless for ai too
@@NobbGamingOfficial kinda, still can brutforce through directml, but yeah some used nvidia gpus would be better for not much more money
Nah, it's just for a huge DAG
With this video then people would not getting fooled by taking a graphics card which not powerful engine but with more vram, cuz the vram it self is being made for decent numbers and for the chipset which can manage.
You should try Black Ops 3, back in the day it ate the Titan's 6 GB VRAM for breakfast lmao.
The 580 was (still is) a 1080p card, absolutely not suitable for 2k or 4k gaming. When games like GTA V or rdr2 came out, 8gb of vram were almost overkill for 1080p gaming. I still have a 480 from Zotac, rocking on my daughter's rig.
Seems good for Davinci Resolve setup, hope "GPU Memory full" warning not happen anymore 🤣🤣🤣
Imagine upgrading the capacitors and all the other little components......
I think that it would be useful to try some FSR settings, as they eat up more RAM than standard.
For most close/over 200-250 bus speed card. Having more/faster memory can be very useful (especially powerful) for the RX580 speed so slow than you will not gain more performance. You might be able to max out more on graphics. But you still will have less FPS.
Additional note (especially for dumb Nvidia user or peopke with low knowledge) if a game need 9GB of VRAM and your card have 8GB. Even if the card will use less than 8GB it's just because it will cut some graphics. Or you will have less FPS. That's why if you compare a 4070 and a 7800XT. You can have the 4070 using 11 584 MB and the 7800XT 13 684 MB it's not the card managing worse his memory. It's the game cutting on some graphics.
for vram test you can disable the antialiasing since this does not take vram but slow a lot the gameplay
Those extra vrams will help you a lot. By lot I mean A LOTTTT. In productivity applications such as Catia, Cinema 4D, Adobe primer and most importantly Photoshop that's solely dependent on VRAMs 💯✨ maybe it's for creative people on a budget. Because at that price range 16GB GPUs are basically non existent 😅
with such an old card and a low end one (not for the price) does putting more vram really do anything if the rest of the card cant support the graphics that use up that much vram
1:08 the what now😂
I recommend using Beamng, it will definitely use more vram than these games. I got a 3060ti and on ultra settings 1080p and it runs out of vram.
If my original RX 480 8GB actually had 16GB I wouldn't be swapping to system memory in Conan Exiles years back. That game was regularly at 10GB of vram out of 8GB that I had.
Huh? Wdym it actually has 16 GB?
The only thing this modified card would be good for is getting more life mining ⛏️ on the same card!! The extra vram would be definitely used even a modded Bios and using 2gb chips to equal 32gb vram would also be used up in a mining ⛏️ rig but for gaming the textures are just not big enough to use up the ram.
-Buy 2 rx 580 8gb
-Get da ram
-Open the rx 580 16gb
-Put the ram there
-Now 32gb ram
AMD Radeon RX 580 SP was getting aim during ETH mining in 2019 , 2020 & 2021
could you try putting them in crossfire? Since VRAM isn’t doubled but rather shared, maybe having the 16gb vram shared between that and the 8gb model could be a use case?
Hardly any new games support multi-GPU anymore. But the last time I played Overwatch, it did support my SLI GTX 1080.
I have two 8gb 2304 variants, and their performance in crossfire is dismal compared to a single card. About half the frame rate in most games that support multi GPUs...
If only Nvidia was as generous with cram as AMD
I think what is most popular modified card at here is 2080ti 22g, it has cuda
You should not test it at 4k despite it being possible, the rx580 was always a 1080 card no matter the vram, also 16gb with only 1 hdmi port seem to be futile, and actually most modified old cards with double the vram have also double the ports because they are aimed for multiple screen use (750ti 4gb/8gb with 6 hdmi for example).
Basically this card is a waste for the manufacturer and the buyer unless it has multiple ports for +2 screen which is what it was meant for.
Its not a special GPU or anything; Polaris PRO was released with 16GB for computational / rendering tasks. Some clever chinese figured out by hacking and flashing in a bios into a RX580 with different memory modules would work. If you wonder why AMD did not do this, back at the time chances where likely that there where 2Gbit chips available; so they stuck with 1Gbit chips.
i think you will need custom drivers to make sure the system utilizes the whole 16 gb
They should do this on more recent low mid level gpus.
Maybe try using the gpu for stable diffusion or ai art work. Those applications use alot of vram. Sadly stable diffusion isn't easy to set up for amd cards
Truly a Chinies Product.
if only u could see what happens when a vega series has double the ram :(
waiting for someone to modify the RTX4070 to 16gb
It's for data mining for sure
im curious if these things are used in clusters for neural models given that vram is the status quo on artificial intelligence right now
Maybe in like Zambia... and if you're absolutely desperate. Otherwise, no. Way, way too slow.
No Last of Us and Harry Potter? I thought these two were the most VRam demanding ones..
Why would we want an RX570 with 16GB of VRAM that it can't utilize, but is called an RX580?
Why disassemble without benchmarking first, u could have just bent the io plate back in place.
if you play modded skyrim or fallout the extra vram is always needed lol
they should've done the beefier 590..
man why didnt they make a 16gb Rtx 3070
That's an interesting company name...
2048sp is laughable for these '16 gb' cards. it would be honestly a better idea to do such a '16 gb upgrade' on the RX 590 instead
I actually own Sapphire's RX 570 16GB