I only agree on point 5 - the price tag. I was able to buy a bike with Ultegra DI2 for a reduced price 3 years ago and I never want to go back to mechanical! Everything is better! Did not miss a single shift and didn’t need to adjust in 15,000 km. Remarkable! An btw.: if you just keep pressing the button you will move up or down across all gears!!
Ummmm I’m guessing your don’t work on bicycles for a living… as one of those “dudes” I hate it I can always rely on a jag wire cable any day over a battery 😂😂😂😂
As with discs v rims, mechanical gearing will be a personal choice. I ride a Pinarello F12 with rim brakes AND mechanical Ultegra. I will NEVER change. Love it.
I've ridden 16k kilometers on Ultegra mechanical and 20k on di2. Mechanical was definitely not smooth compared to di2 and I had to readjust it at least 6 (every chain change + a couple more) or more time while I never did it with di2.
@@DiegoAjassaPhotography Totally agreed. The mechanical shifters use cables, and cables cannot avoid got loosen as it used. Then you have to fine-tune your barrel adjuster, and it’s so annoying.
I have Ultegra mechanical. I never had electronic so can't comment on that. What I like is the price of mechanical. Sure, it takes more fiddling to adjust, might be a little slower, but it shifts just fine for me. I don't race. It has no battery to worry about and the system is lighter too.
Lol you know you can configure the buttons on the hoods to shift up and down if you’re worried during winter. And you can do big big with the ultegra di2 💁🏻
@@Jonas_GD_1234 he said you cant do big big on di2. Also there’s an auto-trim function to avoid chain rubbing and i know a lot of people climb on big big and even pros do it 💁🏻
@@pinoyxbox I don’t think you read that right. He says you can do big big on di2. And as I said, just because you can doesn’t mean you should, just because the chain won’t rub doesn’t mean there is no efficiency and wear penalty
Don't get me wrong; I love my Ultegra Di2. However, using the top buttons is really only a solution when you are posted up, like for a long climb. I do agree with the presenter that the buttons could benefit from a redesign that allolws you to get a better feel for them, through winter gloves. This is one reason why I favor my mechanical 105 bike in the winter.
I gently disagree with a few of these. the first one is personal, i as a person with small hands like the di2 8070 shifters way more because they are smaller. The second one is personal aswell, i like the fact that i don't need to push the whole lever to shift but only a small button.
Only bad thing about electronic groupset is the less reliance on bike mechanic because it performs flawlessly for a long, long time before it needs servicing.
Even mechanical groups work well for a long time if you use decent-quality cables. I have an R8000 set with Jagwire cables that have not been adjusted in over a year. even my cheap Deore groupset on my commuter has not been touched for about 3500 km. The advantage of mechanical is that it is so much easier to learn.
@@sirclemeni1 My problem is that I have Raynaud's...my finger tips go numb (even with reasonably heavy gloves) in the cold and it all starts to feel like one big button. There is a little more differentiation with the mechanical group.
I was on the verge of "upgrading" my 5 year old 5800 groupset after 20,000km to Di2. Decided to deep clean the shifters, replace the housing with Jagwire. Shifting is now crisper then ever.
i upgraded ALL our Bikes with Jagwire Shift AND Brake housings.. ( I'm a Pennypincher and I looked for good deals here and there for month to do that 😅😜 ) Even the old City/Touring Bikes 🤷🏼♂️ ( because.. why not ? 🙈 ) Difference like Night and Day ‼️ 👌
If you don't like the Di2 shifters, get SRAM eTap instead. The shifters only have one button each. The right side shifts up, the left side shifts down and both pressed together shift the front derailleur. Also the word is "electronic" not "electronical"
sounds like the poster of the video is bitter he can't afford DI2. Literally points 1-4 are irrelevant. Want to shift up/down the cassette? Hold the shift switch. You can ride big-big, question is why would you ever want too? I rode in 2 degrees C today wearing my Vulcan heated gloves (Massive winter gloves) could easily change gears on R8100 series shifters..
Ultegra di2 from the smallest gear to biggest and back to smallest takes less than 6 seconds. I want to watch you doing that with mechanical while eating my XL popcorn
The two reasons I am not sold on Di2 or even AXS shifting, 1. Batteries can fail unexpectedly, I have had this happen to friends and I have never had mechanical shifting ever fail. 2. Cost$$$
Seriously? Such nonsense. Had the mech for 15 years and now the electronic. Its a real upgrade. Shifting is instant and better - especially shifting under load. Also, I can now just shift up/down on either shifter faster and easier than on the mech. Sad this got 3.6K upvotes from people who do not know better.
Mechanical is fine for my riding, like most things to do with cycling these days, there's just too much cope from people suffering from the sunk cost fallacy.
@@yonglingng5640 that is my point. Mechanical groupsets are easy to learn. And if you don't know it one of your friends or parents might. There are also a lot of videos in almost all languages about that stuff.
What are you talking about ? The shifting with the di2 is way more smoother then with the mechanical one. Of course the Di2 comes with a price but it is totally worth it 100%
Better? sure, but worth the price? Fuck no. Electronic shifting needs to come way down in price and be comparable in weight first before it's objectively better.
This is a nice bike. And I do love the color. I’ll tell u what thou.. I do not have any kind of issues with my electronic group set. Never have problems in the winter and when I wear thick gloves either.
The beauty of a bike is it is extremely efficient and human powered, it does not depend on the electric grid. I never have to recharge a battery, I just need to eat!
I've tried both and I like mechanical (Campy) best. If you don't install the cable housing perfectly (squared off ends, compressed housing) it won't shift correctly. But when you the job right I think it is better than Di2 because you can move up and down the cassette with one sweep, quite fast.
Sow when reviewers day latest di2 is better than etap axs they say its because shifter is smaller. But when they review mechanical stuff its suddenly more comfortable than small di2? Riiiight
You are totally wrong. The rear derailler of 8000 is most unreliable one ever made. I have seen 3 with worn internals which don't shift properly. Plus the shifters are very hard and totally uncomfortable. Shifting is slower and requires constant tuning especially with temperature changes. Bikes Companies usually put the best components on di2 bikes.
Have to disagree. Using an electronic shifter is so much more effortless than having to physically pull on the wire. Cycling is already a tough sport; you gotta find ways to eliminate effort where it isn’t necessary
That is one thing I like about electronic shifting. When I'm bonked or just really tired, I will occasionally over or underthrow a shift. I don't have that problem with electronic
If you ride mechanical in the Winter, that will absolutely mean more maintenance is necessary for mechanical over di2. All the extra road grit, salt, etc. will affect shifting performance quite quickly after riding.
I toured 3200km on a bike from the 90's with Campagnolo Ergopower shifters and it was plenty comfy. In the winter (Montreal) I ride a fixed gear 🤷♂️ but if anyone wants to sponsor me ill take a carbon bike with electronic shifting please
Everything has its own reason for meeting the needs. Mechanical are cost-efficient, last quite long in many conditions (unless you abuse them), and you don't have to worry about the batteries. DI2 electronic is quick, efficient, and effortless. So besides the financial matters, it's all about preference and purpose. If you're a racer of any level from amateur to pro tour, Di2 is a must-have for you. (altho pro tour will mostly have teams providing them a bike) If you're a recreational rider or racer of local races then both are fine. Finally, if you're just a bike geek then go for Di2, I mean why not. In the end, it's all about your wallet anyway.
Saying that we didn’t “need” di2 is like saying we don’t “need” 12 speed. It’s just better. The cycling industry (nor any industry) doesn’t stop tech advancement just to consider what’s most practical for the everyday rider. Also, tech starts at the highest end and trickles down, so ordinary consumers aren’t even asking themselves these questions
Lol electronic groupsets are not that durable in the long run. 1 crash or bump can ruin everything and will cost more money to fix. Also you cannot fix any issue related to electronics on the fly. The only people will benefit on this is people who are racing and got a lot of money to burn.
@@Lonewolf54322 but you don’t need to fix problems that arise, do you? If the bike fails, just call a cab down to pick you up and send you to the nearest bike shop/home. I’ve had a tyre puncture before mid ride once; was in a cab in 10 mins and home within the hour. Sent the bike to have the inner tube replaced. An entirely fuss free process. Why waste time finicking with the bike when you cold be doing better things like having a cup of tea and chilling on a sofa, while someone else does it for you.
@@slowcyclist4324 If there is nothing wrong your hands, you simple have got to learn how to replace an inner tube. That can be done in under ten minutes.
@@Lonewolf54322 bruh I do not understand the hatred of electronic haha. First of all, it performs better - period. Faster, more reliable shifting. Anyone who disputes this simply does not have enough experience with it. Also, electronic drivetrains are no more susceptible to breaking from a bump than mechanical, so if your only objection to electronic is price, then I hate to be the first person to break this to you, but the bike industry is expensive and the new tech is always the most pricey! Once mechanical drivetrains become a thing of the past, there will be a budget electronic version for ya. Until then, you can run mechanical 11 speed like this guy (and myself)
@@macroglossumstellatarum3068 Its more of a preference. Durability wise that's debatable. But the cost of replacement is a different story. Also you can't fix di2 or any electronic on the fly (in the middle of the road). Shifting performance wise electronic is superior and that's it nothing more. If you have spare money to burn go for electronics.
When you said, "you can't do that on Di2", where you saying you can't run it up the cassette? If you were, you are wrong. Just hold the button down. It will run the cassette much faster than mechanical. Have you actually spent time on an electronic groupset?
@@Penalist It's possible. What third-generation Di2 and Dura-Ace R9200 doesn't allow is small-small cross-chaining, leaving the two smallest cogs out of reach when you're in the small chainring. Source: I'm a shop mechanic who's handled every single Shimano Di2 road groupset generation.
I don't know about that. I have electronic on one bike and mechanical on the other. I don't mind the mechanical 99% of the time when I'm on it. Maybe 95%.
Ultegra Di2 is so good I got 105 Di2 on my winter bike, I only need my little finger to change gear and pressing one button up or down smashes it through the gears ⚙️ btw had Ultegra mech for years its great, but it ain't Di2 awesome
@Cycling God If you cycling all year round,in winter time there is likely more chances to come off the bike (snow ect.) which cost a lot if you fix the bike again.
I run monoring on 11-36 10s SRAM XX transmission and keep up with cars and scooters in traffic, why would I need more gears and moreover electronic fancy stuff…?!
Having both Shimano 105 R7000 mechanical and the new Ultegra Di2, this is what I've concluded. Di2: Faster and precise shifting; Configurable hood buttons, RD shifting speed and FD operation mode; Integration; Ergonomics on the new Ultegra (individual thing, of course) Toolless fine tuning via smartphone & app; No issues with stretched/broken cable; No visible hydraulic brake hoses (again personal taste, I love the clean look of full integration) Expensive. Fact. Mechanical: No dead battery; Cheaper; I'd choose Di2 over mechanical any day. The only issue with Di2 is the battery - lasts so long you forget about it. And if you still have range anxiety, you can always bring a small power bank to get you going. So yes - Ultegra just got better with Di2.
Mechanical ultegra is quite good but these points are strange. Di2 shifting isn’t smooth? Di2 can’t… shift up the cassette? Big hoods make long rides more comfortable… what? And having to throw the entire lever is a pain compared to a simple button push.
You can’t tell some people anything. My Ultegra-equipped 1999 LeMond Zurich still shifts perfectly with only basic maintenance. The people who consider Ultegra to be for the poor, when they grow up, will realize how easily they were manipulated. Having the priciest bike at the coffee shop will not win you any admirers among those who decide that spending thousands to impress strangers says a lot about you, but none of it is nice.
I’d argue that the 105 price rise is the single biggest issue cause by this change in philosophy from Shimano. I don’t think any of the points in this video are particularly relevant, except maybe if you ride regularly in sub-zero temps in winter with big thick gloves. Everything else is either personal preference or adjustable.
I proved your last sentence wrong, I realised I can live without it after riding with Di2 a few times. Of all the rides I've done, never have I ever thought I needed an electronic groupset.
I met a guy mid ride and his di2 battery died… he had to ride in the small gear in front to do like 110 Cadence to just hit 20mph. Yeah no thanks I’ll stick with my ultegra 6700 😂
You’re right, mechanical Ultegra needs no “improvements.” Especially when they are incredibly complex and require electricity to operate. When a dead battery strands you 40 miles out in the boonies, THEN you will understand.
Di2 is not for me. I know it works well. However, personally I feel it takes away from what I love about biking. Sure, I charge my bike computer every few rides, but I don't have to. If you forget to charge your shifter batteries or don't bring spares, you're SOL. Plus, it's easier to rig a mechanical one in case of emergency.
@@RedWingsninetyone you're gonna have to adjust cable groupsets every couple of months/years depending on how much you ride and you dont have to connect di2 to anything
@@jarne...........k............ maybe a twist of a barrel adjuster every now and then depending on use. Still less work than remembering to charge. Again, the whole need to connect to an outlet takes away from what biking is. But that's me.
Shimano just wants more of your money plain and simple(!). Boycott any manufacturer that pulls this stunt and put them out of business. Nobody Needs status-symbol halo componentry when the mechanical version works just fine and unless you're an Elite athlete, you'll never notice or benefit from the Supposed upgrades. I had a couple of road bikes in the 90s with mechanical Ultegra and they were sweet-shifting units and trained with many a crit-racer who competed quite well sans e-shifting. Even the 105 of the day was nice and I'd Still choose older mechanical 105, 600, or DuraAce on a rim-braked road-bike. Now, I'd give SRAM and Shimano the finger and go with the R9 mechanical shifting system from MicroShift.
The only reason I'm not using a Di2 is because of the price, just being honest about it
Two of these are personal, and two of them are wrong. Only the price argument works.
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I think he is jealous of di2 and is trying to justify why he doesn't have it.
@@mtb_mechanic lol
@@kubackjeee is this your alt account? Responding to every negative comment? Lmfao
@@mtb_mechanic you really think he can't afford one? Lol
I only agree on point 5 - the price tag.
I was able to buy a bike with Ultegra DI2 for a reduced price 3 years ago and I never want to go back to mechanical!
Everything is better! Did not miss a single shift and didn’t need to adjust in 15,000 km. Remarkable!
An btw.: if you just keep pressing the button you will move up or down across all gears!!
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Di2 is better, my man. Cost is the only reason. Tension on rear derailleur is adjustable on Di2.
Ummmm I’m guessing your don’t work on bicycles for a living… as one of those “dudes” I hate it I can always rely on a jag wire cable any day over a battery 😂😂😂😂
@@booitsnick Don't need to work on my bike. I have Di2.
you might then be one of the few out there who has not yet forgotten to charge the battery.
As with discs v rims, mechanical gearing will be a personal choice. I ride a Pinarello F12 with rim brakes AND mechanical Ultegra. I will NEVER change. Love it.
Rim brake Bianchi Oltre XR4 with Dura-Ace 9100 mechanical here. No dead batteries if all you've got is a cable.
Cracked me out when you mentioned smooth shifting of the mechanical shifter 😂 You’ll never get any shifting troubles with di2.
He sayd that it is smooth enough, keep in mind that electronic is heavier.
@@jurekgadzinowski2895 Yes, it’s a good point. Like disc brakes are heavier than rim brakes.
I've ridden 16k kilometers on Ultegra mechanical and 20k on di2. Mechanical was definitely not smooth compared to di2 and I had to readjust it at least 6 (every chain change + a couple more) or more time while I never did it with di2.
@@DiegoAjassaPhotography Totally agreed. The mechanical shifters use cables, and cables cannot avoid got loosen as it used. Then you have to fine-tune your barrel adjuster, and it’s so annoying.
You do when the battery dies or it needs turning on and off again. Mechanical rarely has problems and is super value.
I have Ultegra mechanical. I never had electronic so can't comment on that. What I like is the price of mechanical. Sure, it takes more fiddling to adjust, might be a little slower, but it shifts just fine for me. I don't race. It has no battery to worry about and the system is lighter too.
Lol you know you can configure the buttons on the hoods to shift up and down if you’re worried during winter. And you can do big big with the ultegra di2 💁🏻
Just because you can doesn’t mean you should
@@Jonas_GD_1234 he said you cant do big big on di2.
Also there’s an auto-trim function to avoid chain rubbing and i know a lot of people climb on big big and even pros do it 💁🏻
@@pinoyxbox I don’t think you read that right. He says you can do big big on di2. And as I said, just because you can doesn’t mean you should, just because the chain won’t rub doesn’t mean there is no efficiency and wear penalty
Don't get me wrong; I love my Ultegra Di2. However, using the top buttons is really only a solution when you are posted up, like for a long climb.
I do agree with the presenter that the buttons could benefit from a redesign that allolws you to get a better feel for them, through winter gloves.
This is one reason why I favor my mechanical 105 bike in the winter.
I gently disagree with a few of these. the first one is personal, i as a person with small hands like the di2 8070 shifters way more because they are smaller. The second one is personal aswell, i like the fact that i don't need to push the whole lever to shift but only a small button.
Lol you can’t be gentle with these guys, you just gotta ignore them
Only bad thing about electronic groupset is the less reliance on bike mechanic because it performs flawlessly for a long, long time before it needs servicing.
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Mechanical shifting and braking doesn't need frequent adjustment unless you did a bad job setting it up
Yeah but you don't have to charge anything with mechanical.
Even mechanical groups work well for a long time if you use decent-quality cables. I have an R8000 set with Jagwire cables that have not been adjusted in over a year. even my cheap Deore groupset on my commuter has not been touched for about 3500 km. The advantage of mechanical is that it is so much easier to learn.
Friction shifters rarely need changing adjustments or gear fiddling. Pretty easy to install too
Last time I tuned my mechanical was 2 years ago...
I have both, I prefer Di2, and it is worth the price difference. Agree with your point about winter gloves.
if you are riding with mittens, i would agree, but i havent had any problems pressing the right buttons with my fat gorewear c5 thermo gloves.
@@sirclemeni1 My problem is that I have Raynaud's...my finger tips go numb (even with reasonably heavy gloves) in the cold and it all starts to feel like one big button. There is a little more differentiation with the mechanical group.
I was on the verge of "upgrading" my 5 year old 5800 groupset after 20,000km to Di2. Decided to deep clean the shifters, replace the housing with Jagwire. Shifting is now crisper then ever.
i upgraded ALL our Bikes with Jagwire Shift AND Brake housings..
( I'm a Pennypincher and I looked for good deals here and there for month to do that 😅😜 )
Even the old City/Touring Bikes 🤷🏼♂️
( because.. why not ? 🙈 )
Difference like Night and Day ‼️ 👌
@@FixedundFertig Jagwire is an impressive product. The only way to go IMHO.
I agree. Mechanical ultegra is better than di2 for poor people.
Do you think having electric shifting will make people think you are rich? They are laughing at you.
If you don't like the Di2 shifters, get SRAM eTap instead. The shifters only have one button each. The right side shifts up, the left side shifts down and both pressed together shift the front derailleur.
Also the word is "electronic" not "electronical"
Once you get used to shifting with just your pinky finger mechanical groupsets feel downright agricultural
what if I can't be bothered to get used to shifting with "just your pinky finger"?
@@11robotics probably put that Di2 money towards a new couch
Most important, most people can work on mechanical. Not so much with electronic.
Yep
You don't even need to work with electronic
Then there's me with my 84' Peugeot with stem mounted friction shifters😅
Those are beautiful cars!
Di2 has helped people who are terrible at maintaining their bikes.
I have SRAM AXS and Ultegra mechanical, and I am always amazed how well Ultegra shifts, compared to anything.
And it doesn’t die on me unexpectedly like AXS did, once the derailleur battery, once the shifter battery.
sounds like the poster of the video is bitter he can't afford DI2. Literally points 1-4 are irrelevant. Want to shift up/down the cassette? Hold the shift switch. You can ride big-big, question is why would you ever want too? I rode in 2 degrees C today wearing my Vulcan heated gloves (Massive winter gloves) could easily change gears on R8100 series shifters..
Ultegra di2 from the smallest gear to biggest and back to smallest takes less than 6 seconds. I want to watch you doing that with mechanical while eating my XL popcorn
Maybe you’re just bad at shifting?
This isn’t even a debate with the differences being so small.
that's such a very personal opinion. The electronical di2 is so precise and faster. The rear derrailour is strong.
The two reasons I am not sold on Di2 or even AXS shifting, 1. Batteries can fail unexpectedly, I have had this happen to friends and I have never had mechanical shifting ever fail. 2. Cost$$$
Moot point for eTap since batteries are $25 and you can keep a spare in your bag.
And change in about 3 seconds.
Seriously? Such nonsense. Had the mech for 15 years and now the electronic. Its a real upgrade. Shifting is instant and better - especially shifting under load. Also, I can now just shift up/down on either shifter faster and easier than on the mech. Sad this got 3.6K upvotes from people who do not know better.
Once you adjusted the b-tension screw correctly, it would shift even better 😝
It’s like that because of the hanger he abs on the bike
Mechanical is fine for my riding, like most things to do with cycling these days, there's just too much cope from people suffering from the sunk cost fallacy.
Mechanical Ultegra is great. Electrical is better. If you do maintenance yourself, di2 is much easier. Internal routing is pain in the...
nothing a simple cable routing kit and a couple of good old park tool videos can't fix.
@@bobvelting379 Without any degree of mechanical aptitude, nothing can fix this. Some riders don't even know how to operate a quick-release lever.
@@yonglingng5640 if you can't figure out internal routing and derailleur adjustments, but you can maintain a di2 setup something ain't adding up.
@@bobvelting379 I have never seen any rider who doesn't work as a mechanic know how to work on an electronic groupset other than charging it.
@@yonglingng5640 that is my point. Mechanical groupsets are easy to learn. And if you don't know it one of your friends or parents might. There are also a lot of videos in almost all languages about that stuff.
Almost none of the points made any sense
I wouldnt say that but a lot of them are personal, thats the problem...
What are you talking about ? The shifting with the di2 is way more smoother then with the mechanical one. Of course the Di2 comes with a price but it is totally worth it 100%
Better? sure, but worth the price? Fuck no. Electronic shifting needs to come way down in price and be comparable in weight first before it's objectively better.
100% agree. I think both are great !
bruh, try shifting mechanical in cold when you dont feel your fingers. "way better" :D
This is a nice bike. And I do love the color. I’ll tell u what thou.. I do not have any kind of issues with my electronic group set. Never have problems in the winter and when I wear thick gloves either.
The beauty of a bike is it is extremely efficient and human powered, it does not depend on the electric grid. I never have to recharge a battery, I just need to eat!
Right? It's like cycling is going hackwards.
Maybe weight could be a disadvantage in electronic shifting but it’s definitely way better than mechanical
I've tried both and I like mechanical (Campy) best. If you don't install the cable housing perfectly (squared off ends, compressed housing) it won't shift correctly. But when you the job right I think it is better than Di2 because you can move up and down the cassette with one sweep, quite fast.
Sow when reviewers day latest di2 is better than etap axs they say its because shifter is smaller. But when they review mechanical stuff its suddenly more comfortable than small di2? Riiiight
You are totally wrong. The rear derailler of 8000 is most unreliable one ever made. I have seen 3 with worn internals which don't shift properly. Plus the shifters are very hard and totally uncomfortable. Shifting is slower and requires constant tuning especially with temperature changes. Bikes Companies usually put the best components on di2 bikes.
Electronic shifting is far superior on long mountainous rides when hands are tired.
When you don't have money for di2:
Smaller levers of di2 are better. Smaller movement (clicks) are better. Shifting is better. Cross chaining is bad.
Had mechanical 105 on my Fuji road bike. The groupset performed smooth and easy.
Have to disagree. Using an electronic shifter is so much more effortless than having to physically pull on the wire.
Cycling is already a tough sport; you gotta find ways to eliminate effort where it isn’t necessary
That is one thing I like about electronic shifting. When I'm bonked or just really tired, I will occasionally over or underthrow a shift. I don't have that problem with electronic
If you ride mechanical in the Winter, that will absolutely mean more maintenance is necessary for mechanical over di2. All the extra road grit, salt, etc. will affect shifting performance quite quickly after riding.
I have mechanical dura ace, it works great
I toured 3200km on a bike from the 90's with Campagnolo Ergopower shifters and it was plenty comfy. In the winter (Montreal) I ride a fixed gear 🤷♂️ but if anyone wants to sponsor me ill take a carbon bike with electronic shifting please
Everything has its own reason for meeting the needs. Mechanical are cost-efficient, last quite long in many conditions (unless you abuse them), and you don't have to worry about the batteries.
DI2 electronic is quick, efficient, and effortless.
So besides the financial matters, it's all about preference and purpose.
If you're a racer of any level from amateur to pro tour, Di2 is a must-have for you. (altho pro tour will mostly have teams providing them a bike)
If you're a recreational rider or racer of local races then both are fine.
Finally, if you're just a bike geek then go for Di2, I mean why not.
In the end, it's all about your wallet anyway.
I have shifters like this and I was out in -40 and the cables couldn't pull through to return tension to the brakes
Saying that we didn’t “need” di2 is like saying we don’t “need” 12 speed. It’s just better. The cycling industry (nor any industry) doesn’t stop tech advancement just to consider what’s most practical for the everyday rider. Also, tech starts at the highest end and trickles down, so ordinary consumers aren’t even asking themselves these questions
Lol electronic groupsets are not that durable in the long run. 1 crash or bump can ruin everything and will cost more money to fix. Also you cannot fix any issue related to electronics on the fly. The only people will benefit on this is people who are racing and got a lot of money to burn.
@@Lonewolf54322 but you don’t need to fix problems that arise, do you?
If the bike fails, just call a cab down to pick you up and send you to the nearest bike shop/home. I’ve had a tyre puncture before mid ride once; was in a cab in 10 mins and home within the hour. Sent the bike to have the inner tube replaced. An entirely fuss free process. Why waste time finicking with the bike when you cold be doing better things like having a cup of tea and chilling on a sofa, while someone else does it for you.
@@slowcyclist4324 If there is nothing wrong your hands, you simple have got to learn how to replace an inner tube. That can be done in under ten minutes.
@@Lonewolf54322 bruh I do not understand the hatred of electronic haha. First of all, it performs better - period. Faster, more reliable shifting. Anyone who disputes this simply does not have enough experience with it. Also, electronic drivetrains are no more susceptible to breaking from a bump than mechanical, so if your only objection to electronic is price, then I hate to be the first person to break this to you, but the bike industry is expensive and the new tech is always the most pricey! Once mechanical drivetrains become a thing of the past, there will be a budget electronic version for ya. Until then, you can run mechanical 11 speed like this guy (and myself)
@@macroglossumstellatarum3068 Its more of a preference. Durability wise that's debatable. But the cost of replacement is a different story. Also you can't fix di2 or any electronic on the fly (in the middle of the road). Shifting performance wise electronic is superior and that's it nothing more. If you have spare money to burn go for electronics.
Sickbiker is that you
This is very likely him, but I still haven't figured out what's with this new channel all of a sudden.
When you said, "you can't do that on Di2", where you saying you can't run it up the cassette? If you were, you are wrong. Just hold the button down. It will run the cassette much faster than mechanical. Have you actually spent time on an electronic groupset?
He meant shifting to large front ring and large sprocket in the back. Di2 doesn’t ‘allow’ this.
@Réno Pijnen well, he is wrong about that too. Besides, that is typically something that you should avoid anyway.
@@Penalistsram does
@@Penalist It's possible. What third-generation Di2 and Dura-Ace R9200 doesn't allow is small-small cross-chaining, leaving the two smallest cogs out of reach when you're in the small chainring.
Source: I'm a shop mechanic who's handled every single Shimano Di2 road groupset generation.
Long live mechanical groupsets! Long live rim brakes!
Once you go electronic, you’ll never want to go back to mechanical. 😂
Man everyone says this, but it wasn’t my experience. Couldn’t get off Di2 fast enough lol
I don't know about that. I have electronic on one bike and mechanical on the other. I don't mind the mechanical 99% of the time when I'm on it. Maybe 95%.
I've ridden with Di2 a few times and guess what? I can live without it.
I will keep my DI 2
Ultegra Di2 is so good I got 105 Di2 on my winter bike, I only need my little finger to change gear and pressing one button up or down smashes it through the gears ⚙️ btw had Ultegra mech for years its great, but it ain't Di2 awesome
The hoods of the ultegra di2 shifters are so much more comfortable and have way better ergonomics than the mechanical ones.
Love ultegra Di2 …..in the summer,cable ultegra in the winter 😉
@Cycling God If you cycling all year round,in winter time there is likely more chances to come off the bike (snow ect.) which cost a lot if you fix the bike again.
Been riding Di2 for years and now AXS. Had to ride mechanical the other day and what a massive downgrade. No thanks
I run monoring on 11-36 10s SRAM XX transmission and keep up with cars and scooters in traffic, why would I need more gears and moreover electronic fancy stuff…?!
Having both Shimano 105 R7000 mechanical and the new Ultegra Di2, this is what I've concluded.
Di2:
Faster and precise shifting;
Configurable hood buttons, RD shifting speed and FD operation mode;
Integration;
Ergonomics on the new Ultegra (individual thing, of course)
Toolless fine tuning via smartphone & app;
No issues with stretched/broken cable;
No visible hydraulic brake hoses (again personal taste, I love the clean look of full integration)
Expensive. Fact.
Mechanical:
No dead battery;
Cheaper;
I'd choose Di2 over mechanical any day.
The only issue with Di2 is the battery - lasts so long you forget about it. And if you still have range anxiety, you can always bring a small power bank to get you going.
So yes - Ultegra just got better with Di2.
Granted you focused on these things, you have not considered the plusses that di2 offers over mechanical. Rather lopsided towards mechanical.
Idc, Di2 for life! I never ride my ultegra mechs anymore because my Di2 is just so much more satisfying
the di2 brifters are only smaller if you get the non hydro set. otherwise theyre the same size
Di2 every day of the week
Moja Reacto 6000😍
Says the guy who can't afford di2
Point 6. Dont do drugs. You can become like him.
Ever get a snapped shift cable’s end stuck in the shifter?
Bro that’s just called being cheap lmao😂
Mechanical ultegra is quite good but these points are strange. Di2 shifting isn’t smooth? Di2 can’t… shift up the cassette? Big hoods make long rides more comfortable… what? And having to throw the entire lever is a pain compared to a simple button push.
Electronic has no soul. I like the feel of moving the lever. I can feel I am actually changing the gears, not telling a motor to do the work.
Retro Grouch here love Mechanical over Electric no Question about it
I completely agree; Shimano mechanical shifting feels much better than Di2
You can’t tell some people anything. My Ultegra-equipped 1999 LeMond Zurich still shifts perfectly with only basic maintenance. The people who consider Ultegra to be for the poor, when they grow up, will realize how easily they were manipulated. Having the priciest bike at the coffee shop will not win you any admirers among those who decide that spending thousands to impress strangers says a lot about you, but none of it is nice.
I’d argue that the 105 price rise is the single biggest issue cause by this change in philosophy from Shimano. I don’t think any of the points in this video are particularly relevant, except maybe if you ride regularly in sub-zero temps in winter with big thick gloves. Everything else is either personal preference or adjustable.
Ultegra di2 is the best. I never want to go back to mechanic
Mechanical is the way.
You definitely know how to get people to comment on your post
Electronic has no soul. I like the feel of moving the lever. I can feel I am actually changing the gears, instead of telling a motor to do the work
The ekectrolonical one does do that
i love the way you pronounce aluminium 😂
Thanks. Might be that I can hold my upgrade one more week.
Szaju, przez chwilę myślałem, że to amortyzowana szosa. Pozdrawiam z Polski.
Bought a bike with Ultegra mechanical (disc). Stripped it immediately and sold it.
BS. This guy sounds like somebody that never used DI2 before. Why I know that? There is no way back to mechanical once you used DI2.
I proved your last sentence wrong, I realised I can live without it after riding with Di2 a few times.
Of all the rides I've done, never have I ever thought I needed an electronic groupset.
“It shifts better!” Lol notice he didn’t show front derailleur cuz FD mechanical sucks
Electronic feels electrical, no soul and no feel
Please inform Pogacar and Vout Van Aert about your point. They are sleeping all the time. They dont known that mechanical are much better !
What a load of bollocks! DI2 is impeccable.
I met a guy mid ride and his di2 battery died… he had to ride in the small gear in front to do like 110 Cadence to just hit 20mph. Yeah no thanks I’ll stick with my ultegra 6700 😂
You’re right, mechanical Ultegra needs no “improvements.” Especially when they are incredibly complex and require electricity to operate. When a dead battery strands you 40 miles out in the boonies, THEN you will understand.
I’ve had the 6800 Ultegra and then the 8000 Ultegra. The 8000 is nowhere near as smooth and the cassette is always going out of alignment
Yes! And better in rim brake version
Di2 is vastly superior. Sorry.
Once you switch to Di2, you will not want to go back. It is really that good.
I've ridden with Di2 a few times and actually realised I can live without it.
Speak for yourself.
I rode DI2 for six months. I went back to mechanical.
Electronic has no feel
LOL. These arguments are only correct for those who can't afford a di2 🤣
You know there is 164g between 105 R7000 and Ultegra R8100 mechanical disc right? 😂
you can't shift while breaking with mechanical.
Di2 is not for me. I know it works well. However, personally I feel it takes away from what I love about biking. Sure, I charge my bike computer every few rides, but I don't have to. If you forget to charge your shifter batteries or don't bring spares, you're SOL. Plus, it's easier to rig a mechanical one in case of emergency.
Lol the batteries last months and are easy to charge
@@jarne...........k............ and a cable can last years and requires no charging or connection to any grid.
@@RedWingsninetyone you're gonna have to adjust cable groupsets every couple of months/years depending on how much you ride and you dont have to connect di2 to anything
@@jarne...........k............ maybe a twist of a barrel adjuster every now and then depending on use. Still less work than remembering to charge. Again, the whole need to connect to an outlet takes away from what biking is. But that's me.
@@RedWingsninetyone "to any grid" what are you on about
Shimano just wants more of your money plain and simple(!). Boycott any manufacturer that pulls this stunt and put them out of business. Nobody Needs status-symbol halo componentry when the mechanical version works just fine and unless you're an Elite athlete, you'll never notice or benefit from the Supposed upgrades. I had a couple of road bikes in the 90s with mechanical Ultegra and they were sweet-shifting units and trained with many a crit-racer who competed quite well sans e-shifting. Even the 105 of the day was nice and I'd Still choose older mechanical 105, 600, or DuraAce on a rim-braked road-bike. Now, I'd give SRAM and Shimano the finger and go with the R9 mechanical shifting system from MicroShift.
What wheelset you have on this bike? Nice
Video
Electronic groupsets just look cleaner.
Mechanical all the way.
Why anyone would want a bike that needs wifi to shift is beyond me.
Just use your brain man
i guess i'm the only one having issue with the mechanical ultegra
No, those shifters are nasty 😅