5 reasons why mechanical Ultegra didn't need Di2 "upgrade".

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  • @xaein9515
    @xaein9515 Před rokem +42

    The only reason I'm not using a Di2 is because of the price, just being honest about it

  • @messi9991
    @messi9991 Před rokem +309

    Two of these are personal, and two of them are wrong. Only the price argument works.

    • @kubackjeee
      @kubackjeee Před rokem

      Your mother was wrong

    • @mtb_mechanic
      @mtb_mechanic Před rokem +37

      I think he is jealous of di2 and is trying to justify why he doesn't have it.

    • @kubackjeee
      @kubackjeee Před rokem +1

      @@mtb_mechanic lol

    • @messi9991
      @messi9991 Před rokem +7

      @@kubackjeee is this your alt account? Responding to every negative comment? Lmfao

    • @JR-wj9bh
      @JR-wj9bh Před rokem +2

      @@mtb_mechanic you really think he can't afford one? Lol

  • @cycnerd3617
    @cycnerd3617 Před rokem +54

    I only agree on point 5 - the price tag.
    I was able to buy a bike with Ultegra DI2 for a reduced price 3 years ago and I never want to go back to mechanical!
    Everything is better! Did not miss a single shift and didn’t need to adjust in 15,000 km. Remarkable!
    An btw.: if you just keep pressing the button you will move up or down across all gears!!

  • @eto2352
    @eto2352 Před rokem +40

    Di2 is better, my man. Cost is the only reason. Tension on rear derailleur is adjustable on Di2.

    • @booitsnick
      @booitsnick Před rokem +2

      Ummmm I’m guessing your don’t work on bicycles for a living… as one of those “dudes” I hate it I can always rely on a jag wire cable any day over a battery 😂😂😂😂

    • @eto2352
      @eto2352 Před rokem +17

      @@booitsnick Don't need to work on my bike. I have Di2.

    • @bobvelting379
      @bobvelting379 Před rokem +1

      you might then be one of the few out there who has not yet forgotten to charge the battery.

  • @dv4662
    @dv4662 Před rokem +10

    As with discs v rims, mechanical gearing will be a personal choice. I ride a Pinarello F12 with rim brakes AND mechanical Ultegra. I will NEVER change. Love it.

    • @mathewrose2951
      @mathewrose2951 Před rokem +4

      Rim brake Bianchi Oltre XR4 with Dura-Ace 9100 mechanical here. No dead batteries if all you've got is a cable.

  • @zWjwR8biM_st
    @zWjwR8biM_st Před rokem +40

    Cracked me out when you mentioned smooth shifting of the mechanical shifter 😂 You’ll never get any shifting troubles with di2.

    • @jurekgadzinowski2895
      @jurekgadzinowski2895 Před rokem +3

      He sayd that it is smooth enough, keep in mind that electronic is heavier.

    • @zWjwR8biM_st
      @zWjwR8biM_st Před rokem

      @@jurekgadzinowski2895 Yes, it’s a good point. Like disc brakes are heavier than rim brakes.

    • @DiegoAjassaPhotography
      @DiegoAjassaPhotography Před rokem +1

      I've ridden 16k kilometers on Ultegra mechanical and 20k on di2. Mechanical was definitely not smooth compared to di2 and I had to readjust it at least 6 (every chain change + a couple more) or more time while I never did it with di2.

    • @zWjwR8biM_st
      @zWjwR8biM_st Před rokem +1

      @@DiegoAjassaPhotography Totally agreed. The mechanical shifters use cables, and cables cannot avoid got loosen as it used. Then you have to fine-tune your barrel adjuster, and it’s so annoying.

    • @tom0kiely
      @tom0kiely Před 2 měsíci

      You do when the battery dies or it needs turning on and off again. Mechanical rarely has problems and is super value.

  • @BikeronaTrek
    @BikeronaTrek Před rokem +5

    I have Ultegra mechanical. I never had electronic so can't comment on that. What I like is the price of mechanical. Sure, it takes more fiddling to adjust, might be a little slower, but it shifts just fine for me. I don't race. It has no battery to worry about and the system is lighter too.

  • @pinoyxbox
    @pinoyxbox Před rokem +78

    Lol you know you can configure the buttons on the hoods to shift up and down if you’re worried during winter. And you can do big big with the ultegra di2 💁🏻

    • @Jonas_GD_1234
      @Jonas_GD_1234 Před rokem +3

      Just because you can doesn’t mean you should

    • @pinoyxbox
      @pinoyxbox Před rokem +1

      @@Jonas_GD_1234 he said you cant do big big on di2.
      Also there’s an auto-trim function to avoid chain rubbing and i know a lot of people climb on big big and even pros do it 💁🏻

    • @Jonas_GD_1234
      @Jonas_GD_1234 Před rokem +1

      @@pinoyxbox I don’t think you read that right. He says you can do big big on di2. And as I said, just because you can doesn’t mean you should, just because the chain won’t rub doesn’t mean there is no efficiency and wear penalty

    • @DEAR7340
      @DEAR7340 Před rokem +1

      Don't get me wrong; I love my Ultegra Di2. However, using the top buttons is really only a solution when you are posted up, like for a long climb.
      I do agree with the presenter that the buttons could benefit from a redesign that allolws you to get a better feel for them, through winter gloves.
      This is one reason why I favor my mechanical 105 bike in the winter.

  • @larsdohmen6796
    @larsdohmen6796 Před rokem +25

    I gently disagree with a few of these. the first one is personal, i as a person with small hands like the di2 8070 shifters way more because they are smaller. The second one is personal aswell, i like the fact that i don't need to push the whole lever to shift but only a small button.

  • @johnbossus
    @johnbossus Před rokem +21

    Only bad thing about electronic groupset is the less reliance on bike mechanic because it performs flawlessly for a long, long time before it needs servicing.

    • @simongiavaras7787
      @simongiavaras7787 Před rokem +3

      ?
      Mechanical shifting and braking doesn't need frequent adjustment unless you did a bad job setting it up

    • @orlandogodoy3233
      @orlandogodoy3233 Před rokem +1

      Yeah but you don't have to charge anything with mechanical.

    • @bobvelting379
      @bobvelting379 Před rokem +2

      Even mechanical groups work well for a long time if you use decent-quality cables. I have an R8000 set with Jagwire cables that have not been adjusted in over a year. even my cheap Deore groupset on my commuter has not been touched for about 3500 km. The advantage of mechanical is that it is so much easier to learn.

    • @orlandogodoy3233
      @orlandogodoy3233 Před rokem +1

      Friction shifters rarely need changing adjustments or gear fiddling. Pretty easy to install too

    • @Benri05
      @Benri05 Před rokem +1

      Last time I tuned my mechanical was 2 years ago...

  • @davecech4741
    @davecech4741 Před rokem +8

    I have both, I prefer Di2, and it is worth the price difference. Agree with your point about winter gloves.

    • @sirclemeni1
      @sirclemeni1 Před rokem +1

      if you are riding with mittens, i would agree, but i havent had any problems pressing the right buttons with my fat gorewear c5 thermo gloves.

    • @davecech4741
      @davecech4741 Před rokem

      @@sirclemeni1 My problem is that I have Raynaud's...my finger tips go numb (even with reasonably heavy gloves) in the cold and it all starts to feel like one big button. There is a little more differentiation with the mechanical group.

  • @hansschotterradler3772
    @hansschotterradler3772 Před rokem +14

    I was on the verge of "upgrading" my 5 year old 5800 groupset after 20,000km to Di2. Decided to deep clean the shifters, replace the housing with Jagwire. Shifting is now crisper then ever.

    • @FixedundFertig
      @FixedundFertig Před rokem +1

      i upgraded ALL our Bikes with Jagwire Shift AND Brake housings..
      ( I'm a Pennypincher and I looked for good deals here and there for month to do that 😅😜 )
      Even the old City/Touring Bikes 🤷🏼‍♂️
      ( because.. why not ? 🙈 )
      Difference like Night and Day ‼️ 👌

    • @hansschotterradler3772
      @hansschotterradler3772 Před rokem +1

      @@FixedundFertig Jagwire is an impressive product. The only way to go IMHO.

  • @lrh8197
    @lrh8197 Před rokem +4

    I agree. Mechanical ultegra is better than di2 for poor people.

    • @johntechwriter
      @johntechwriter Před rokem +1

      Do you think having electric shifting will make people think you are rich? They are laughing at you.

  • @Aser6000
    @Aser6000 Před rokem +2

    If you don't like the Di2 shifters, get SRAM eTap instead. The shifters only have one button each. The right side shifts up, the left side shifts down and both pressed together shift the front derailleur.
    Also the word is "electronic" not "electronical"

  • @nommchompsky
    @nommchompsky Před rokem +42

    Once you get used to shifting with just your pinky finger mechanical groupsets feel downright agricultural

    • @11robotics
      @11robotics Před rokem +1

      what if I can't be bothered to get used to shifting with "just your pinky finger"?

    • @nommchompsky
      @nommchompsky Před rokem +7

      @@11robotics probably put that Di2 money towards a new couch

  • @williamko4751
    @williamko4751 Před rokem +8

    Most important, most people can work on mechanical. Not so much with electronic.

  • @mr.weinerjr
    @mr.weinerjr Před rokem +12

    Then there's me with my 84' Peugeot with stem mounted friction shifters😅

    • @Jacob99174
      @Jacob99174 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Those are beautiful cars!

  • @sprayaho1ic
    @sprayaho1ic Před rokem +4

    Di2 has helped people who are terrible at maintaining their bikes.

  • @Benus128
    @Benus128 Před rokem +2

    I have SRAM AXS and Ultegra mechanical, and I am always amazed how well Ultegra shifts, compared to anything.

    • @Benus128
      @Benus128 Před rokem +1

      And it doesn’t die on me unexpectedly like AXS did, once the derailleur battery, once the shifter battery.

  • @TreFlip1992
    @TreFlip1992 Před rokem +5

    sounds like the poster of the video is bitter he can't afford DI2. Literally points 1-4 are irrelevant. Want to shift up/down the cassette? Hold the shift switch. You can ride big-big, question is why would you ever want too? I rode in 2 degrees C today wearing my Vulcan heated gloves (Massive winter gloves) could easily change gears on R8100 series shifters..

  • @cibo23
    @cibo23 Před rokem +5

    Ultegra di2 from the smallest gear to biggest and back to smallest takes less than 6 seconds. I want to watch you doing that with mechanical while eating my XL popcorn

    • @hank1906
      @hank1906 Před rokem +1

      Maybe you’re just bad at shifting?
      This isn’t even a debate with the differences being so small.

  • @gothserch
    @gothserch Před rokem +12

    that's such a very personal opinion. The electronical di2 is so precise and faster. The rear derrailour is strong.

  • @johnnydoe66
    @johnnydoe66 Před rokem +2

    The two reasons I am not sold on Di2 or even AXS shifting, 1. Batteries can fail unexpectedly, I have had this happen to friends and I have never had mechanical shifting ever fail. 2. Cost$$$

  • @meibing4912
    @meibing4912 Před rokem +1

    Seriously? Such nonsense. Had the mech for 15 years and now the electronic. Its a real upgrade. Shifting is instant and better - especially shifting under load. Also, I can now just shift up/down on either shifter faster and easier than on the mech. Sad this got 3.6K upvotes from people who do not know better.

  • @Nico-jt8ll
    @Nico-jt8ll Před rokem +6

    Once you adjusted the b-tension screw correctly, it would shift even better 😝

    • @davidventura6563
      @davidventura6563 Před rokem

      It’s like that because of the hanger he abs on the bike

  • @fergusdenoon1255
    @fergusdenoon1255 Před rokem +3

    Mechanical is fine for my riding, like most things to do with cycling these days, there's just too much cope from people suffering from the sunk cost fallacy.

  • @Indulonman
    @Indulonman Před rokem +8

    Mechanical Ultegra is great. Electrical is better. If you do maintenance yourself, di2 is much easier. Internal routing is pain in the...

    • @bobvelting379
      @bobvelting379 Před rokem

      nothing a simple cable routing kit and a couple of good old park tool videos can't fix.

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Před rokem

      ​​@@bobvelting379 Without any degree of mechanical aptitude, nothing can fix this. Some riders don't even know how to operate a quick-release lever.

    • @bobvelting379
      @bobvelting379 Před rokem

      @@yonglingng5640 if you can't figure out internal routing and derailleur adjustments, but you can maintain a di2 setup something ain't adding up.

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Před rokem

      @@bobvelting379 I have never seen any rider who doesn't work as a mechanic know how to work on an electronic groupset other than charging it.

    • @bobvelting379
      @bobvelting379 Před rokem +1

      @@yonglingng5640 that is my point. Mechanical groupsets are easy to learn. And if you don't know it one of your friends or parents might. There are also a lot of videos in almost all languages about that stuff.

  • @afficiopedal4325
    @afficiopedal4325 Před rokem +9

    Almost none of the points made any sense

    • @larsdohmen6796
      @larsdohmen6796 Před rokem +3

      I wouldnt say that but a lot of them are personal, thats the problem...

  • @myhio8050
    @myhio8050 Před rokem +1

    What are you talking about ? The shifting with the di2 is way more smoother then with the mechanical one. Of course the Di2 comes with a price but it is totally worth it 100%

    • @mikuramsay
      @mikuramsay Před rokem +1

      Better? sure, but worth the price? Fuck no. Electronic shifting needs to come way down in price and be comparable in weight first before it's objectively better.

    • @allandhuyvetter6779
      @allandhuyvetter6779 Před rokem +1

      100% agree. I think both are great !

  • @szalaydaniel8631
    @szalaydaniel8631 Před rokem +5

    bruh, try shifting mechanical in cold when you dont feel your fingers. "way better" :D

  • @dennishaughton4554
    @dennishaughton4554 Před 2 měsíci

    This is a nice bike. And I do love the color. I’ll tell u what thou.. I do not have any kind of issues with my electronic group set. Never have problems in the winter and when I wear thick gloves either.

  • @sethdf18
    @sethdf18 Před rokem +10

    The beauty of a bike is it is extremely efficient and human powered, it does not depend on the electric grid. I never have to recharge a battery, I just need to eat!

  • @rar9119
    @rar9119 Před 6 měsíci

    Maybe weight could be a disadvantage in electronic shifting but it’s definitely way better than mechanical

  • @bengt_axle
    @bengt_axle Před rokem

    I've tried both and I like mechanical (Campy) best. If you don't install the cable housing perfectly (squared off ends, compressed housing) it won't shift correctly. But when you the job right I think it is better than Di2 because you can move up and down the cassette with one sweep, quite fast.

  • @kovyrshinv
    @kovyrshinv Před rokem +2

    Sow when reviewers day latest di2 is better than etap axs they say its because shifter is smaller. But when they review mechanical stuff its suddenly more comfortable than small di2? Riiiight

  • @user-sh7lb8mf2v
    @user-sh7lb8mf2v Před rokem +1

    You are totally wrong. The rear derailler of 8000 is most unreliable one ever made. I have seen 3 with worn internals which don't shift properly. Plus the shifters are very hard and totally uncomfortable. Shifting is slower and requires constant tuning especially with temperature changes. Bikes Companies usually put the best components on di2 bikes.

  • @michaelhoward6752
    @michaelhoward6752 Před 22 dny

    Electronic shifting is far superior on long mountainous rides when hands are tired.

  • @mhejiy
    @mhejiy Před rokem +8

    When you don't have money for di2:

  • @TrickyTree84
    @TrickyTree84 Před rokem +1

    Smaller levers of di2 are better. Smaller movement (clicks) are better. Shifting is better. Cross chaining is bad.

  • @miculucianionel9332
    @miculucianionel9332 Před 11 měsíci

    Had mechanical 105 on my Fuji road bike. The groupset performed smooth and easy.

  • @slowcyclist4324
    @slowcyclist4324 Před rokem +2

    Have to disagree. Using an electronic shifter is so much more effortless than having to physically pull on the wire.
    Cycling is already a tough sport; you gotta find ways to eliminate effort where it isn’t necessary

    • @DaveCM
      @DaveCM Před rokem

      That is one thing I like about electronic shifting. When I'm bonked or just really tired, I will occasionally over or underthrow a shift. I don't have that problem with electronic

  • @StreetGuy49
    @StreetGuy49 Před rokem

    If you ride mechanical in the Winter, that will absolutely mean more maintenance is necessary for mechanical over di2. All the extra road grit, salt, etc. will affect shifting performance quite quickly after riding.

  • @nelsonlopez879
    @nelsonlopez879 Před rokem +2

    I have mechanical dura ace, it works great

  • @jloveys
    @jloveys Před rokem +2

    I toured 3200km on a bike from the 90's with Campagnolo Ergopower shifters and it was plenty comfy. In the winter (Montreal) I ride a fixed gear 🤷‍♂️ but if anyone wants to sponsor me ill take a carbon bike with electronic shifting please

  • @gmgcubing2073
    @gmgcubing2073 Před 6 dny

    Everything has its own reason for meeting the needs. Mechanical are cost-efficient, last quite long in many conditions (unless you abuse them), and you don't have to worry about the batteries.
    DI2 electronic is quick, efficient, and effortless.
    So besides the financial matters, it's all about preference and purpose.
    If you're a racer of any level from amateur to pro tour, Di2 is a must-have for you. (altho pro tour will mostly have teams providing them a bike)
    If you're a recreational rider or racer of local races then both are fine.
    Finally, if you're just a bike geek then go for Di2, I mean why not.
    In the end, it's all about your wallet anyway.

  • @ToughestHentaiMaster
    @ToughestHentaiMaster Před rokem +1

    I have shifters like this and I was out in -40 and the cables couldn't pull through to return tension to the brakes

  • @macroglossumstellatarum3068

    Saying that we didn’t “need” di2 is like saying we don’t “need” 12 speed. It’s just better. The cycling industry (nor any industry) doesn’t stop tech advancement just to consider what’s most practical for the everyday rider. Also, tech starts at the highest end and trickles down, so ordinary consumers aren’t even asking themselves these questions

    • @Lonewolf54322
      @Lonewolf54322 Před rokem

      Lol electronic groupsets are not that durable in the long run. 1 crash or bump can ruin everything and will cost more money to fix. Also you cannot fix any issue related to electronics on the fly. The only people will benefit on this is people who are racing and got a lot of money to burn.

    • @slowcyclist4324
      @slowcyclist4324 Před rokem

      @@Lonewolf54322 but you don’t need to fix problems that arise, do you?
      If the bike fails, just call a cab down to pick you up and send you to the nearest bike shop/home. I’ve had a tyre puncture before mid ride once; was in a cab in 10 mins and home within the hour. Sent the bike to have the inner tube replaced. An entirely fuss free process. Why waste time finicking with the bike when you cold be doing better things like having a cup of tea and chilling on a sofa, while someone else does it for you.

    • @Penalist
      @Penalist Před rokem +1

      @@slowcyclist4324 If there is nothing wrong your hands, you simple have got to learn how to replace an inner tube. That can be done in under ten minutes.

    • @macroglossumstellatarum3068
      @macroglossumstellatarum3068 Před rokem

      @@Lonewolf54322 bruh I do not understand the hatred of electronic haha. First of all, it performs better - period. Faster, more reliable shifting. Anyone who disputes this simply does not have enough experience with it. Also, electronic drivetrains are no more susceptible to breaking from a bump than mechanical, so if your only objection to electronic is price, then I hate to be the first person to break this to you, but the bike industry is expensive and the new tech is always the most pricey! Once mechanical drivetrains become a thing of the past, there will be a budget electronic version for ya. Until then, you can run mechanical 11 speed like this guy (and myself)

    • @Lonewolf54322
      @Lonewolf54322 Před rokem +1

      ​@@macroglossumstellatarum3068 Its more of a preference. Durability wise that's debatable. But the cost of replacement is a different story. Also you can't fix di2 or any electronic on the fly (in the middle of the road). Shifting performance wise electronic is superior and that's it nothing more. If you have spare money to burn go for electronics.

  • @alastairstedman7840
    @alastairstedman7840 Před rokem +6

    Sickbiker is that you

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Před rokem

      This is very likely him, but I still haven't figured out what's with this new channel all of a sudden.

  • @DaveCM
    @DaveCM Před rokem +2

    When you said, "you can't do that on Di2", where you saying you can't run it up the cassette? If you were, you are wrong. Just hold the button down. It will run the cassette much faster than mechanical. Have you actually spent time on an electronic groupset?

    • @Penalist
      @Penalist Před rokem

      He meant shifting to large front ring and large sprocket in the back. Di2 doesn’t ‘allow’ this.

    • @DaveCM
      @DaveCM Před rokem +1

      @Réno Pijnen well, he is wrong about that too. Besides, that is typically something that you should avoid anyway.

    • @donryan3646
      @donryan3646 Před rokem

      @@Penalistsram does

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Před rokem +1

      ​​@@Penalist It's possible. What third-generation Di2 and Dura-Ace R9200 doesn't allow is small-small cross-chaining, leaving the two smallest cogs out of reach when you're in the small chainring.
      Source: I'm a shop mechanic who's handled every single Shimano Di2 road groupset generation.

  • @montrose252
    @montrose252 Před rokem +4

    Long live mechanical groupsets! Long live rim brakes!

  • @RestlessGambler14
    @RestlessGambler14 Před rokem +7

    Once you go electronic, you’ll never want to go back to mechanical. 😂

    • @mediabybrendan2654
      @mediabybrendan2654 Před rokem +5

      Man everyone says this, but it wasn’t my experience. Couldn’t get off Di2 fast enough lol

    • @DaveCM
      @DaveCM Před rokem +1

      I don't know about that. I have electronic on one bike and mechanical on the other. I don't mind the mechanical 99% of the time when I'm on it. Maybe 95%.

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Před rokem +2

      I've ridden with Di2 a few times and guess what? I can live without it.

  • @tomaxxxx536
    @tomaxxxx536 Před rokem +8

    I will keep my DI 2

  • @ianrichardson8657
    @ianrichardson8657 Před rokem +1

    Ultegra Di2 is so good I got 105 Di2 on my winter bike, I only need my little finger to change gear and pressing one button up or down smashes it through the gears ⚙️ btw had Ultegra mech for years its great, but it ain't Di2 awesome

  • @weihanghuang6953
    @weihanghuang6953 Před 9 měsíci

    The hoods of the ultegra di2 shifters are so much more comfortable and have way better ergonomics than the mechanical ones.

  • @jerzyhorczyk7283
    @jerzyhorczyk7283 Před rokem +1

    Love ultegra Di2 …..in the summer,cable ultegra in the winter 😉

    • @jerzyhorczyk8112
      @jerzyhorczyk8112 Před rokem

      @Cycling God If you cycling all year round,in winter time there is likely more chances to come off the bike (snow ect.) which cost a lot if you fix the bike again.

  • @jwfriar
    @jwfriar Před rokem +1

    Been riding Di2 for years and now AXS. Had to ride mechanical the other day and what a massive downgrade. No thanks

  • @louisphilippe2076
    @louisphilippe2076 Před rokem +1

    I run monoring on 11-36 10s SRAM XX transmission and keep up with cars and scooters in traffic, why would I need more gears and moreover electronic fancy stuff…?!

  • @vtm89
    @vtm89 Před rokem +1

    Having both Shimano 105 R7000 mechanical and the new Ultegra Di2, this is what I've concluded.
    Di2:
    Faster and precise shifting;
    Configurable hood buttons, RD shifting speed and FD operation mode;
    Integration;
    Ergonomics on the new Ultegra (individual thing, of course)
    Toolless fine tuning via smartphone & app;
    No issues with stretched/broken cable;
    No visible hydraulic brake hoses (again personal taste, I love the clean look of full integration)
    Expensive. Fact.
    Mechanical:
    No dead battery;
    Cheaper;
    I'd choose Di2 over mechanical any day.
    The only issue with Di2 is the battery - lasts so long you forget about it. And if you still have range anxiety, you can always bring a small power bank to get you going.
    So yes - Ultegra just got better with Di2.

  • @cyclingnerd
    @cyclingnerd Před rokem +1

    Granted you focused on these things, you have not considered the plusses that di2 offers over mechanical. Rather lopsided towards mechanical.

  • @TheManic.5-OH
    @TheManic.5-OH Před 21 dnem

    Idc, Di2 for life! I never ride my ultegra mechs anymore because my Di2 is just so much more satisfying

  • @eliroberts9362
    @eliroberts9362 Před rokem

    the di2 brifters are only smaller if you get the non hydro set. otherwise theyre the same size

  • @thomasabbott2277
    @thomasabbott2277 Před rokem +1

    Di2 every day of the week

  • @pawelodz8050
    @pawelodz8050 Před rokem

    Moja Reacto 6000😍

  • @LR6092
    @LR6092 Před rokem +1

    Says the guy who can't afford di2

  • @morten9972
    @morten9972 Před rokem +8

    Point 6. Dont do drugs. You can become like him.

  • @MrBallsOfficial
    @MrBallsOfficial Před rokem +1

    Ever get a snapped shift cable’s end stuck in the shifter?

  • @elpollito9508
    @elpollito9508 Před rokem

    Bro that’s just called being cheap lmao😂

  • @xcountrykid
    @xcountrykid Před rokem

    Mechanical ultegra is quite good but these points are strange. Di2 shifting isn’t smooth? Di2 can’t… shift up the cassette? Big hoods make long rides more comfortable… what? And having to throw the entire lever is a pain compared to a simple button push.

    • @williamko4751
      @williamko4751 Před rokem

      Electronic has no soul. I like the feel of moving the lever. I can feel I am actually changing the gears, not telling a motor to do the work.

  • @donalddonley8420
    @donalddonley8420 Před rokem

    Retro Grouch here love Mechanical over Electric no Question about it

  • @borist7278
    @borist7278 Před rokem +2

    I completely agree; Shimano mechanical shifting feels much better than Di2

    • @johntechwriter
      @johntechwriter Před rokem +2

      You can’t tell some people anything. My Ultegra-equipped 1999 LeMond Zurich still shifts perfectly with only basic maintenance. The people who consider Ultegra to be for the poor, when they grow up, will realize how easily they were manipulated. Having the priciest bike at the coffee shop will not win you any admirers among those who decide that spending thousands to impress strangers says a lot about you, but none of it is nice.

  • @leroythecoffeegeek4611

    I’d argue that the 105 price rise is the single biggest issue cause by this change in philosophy from Shimano. I don’t think any of the points in this video are particularly relevant, except maybe if you ride regularly in sub-zero temps in winter with big thick gloves. Everything else is either personal preference or adjustable.

  • @-thebruh6524
    @-thebruh6524 Před rokem

    Ultegra di2 is the best. I never want to go back to mechanic

  • @miki89ikim
    @miki89ikim Před rokem +5

    Mechanical is the way.

  • @wayne5354
    @wayne5354 Před rokem +1

    You definitely know how to get people to comment on your post

  • @williamko4751
    @williamko4751 Před rokem

    Electronic has no soul. I like the feel of moving the lever. I can feel I am actually changing the gears, instead of telling a motor to do the work

  • @JaiJai71104
    @JaiJai71104 Před rokem +1

    The ekectrolonical one does do that

  • @JakeCrawford
    @JakeCrawford Před rokem

    i love the way you pronounce aluminium 😂

  • @artolysmiaho
    @artolysmiaho Před rokem

    Thanks. Might be that I can hold my upgrade one more week.

  • @Jedendwa0
    @Jedendwa0 Před rokem

    Szaju, przez chwilę myślałem, że to amortyzowana szosa. Pozdrawiam z Polski.

  • @thedownunderverse
    @thedownunderverse Před rokem

    Bought a bike with Ultegra mechanical (disc). Stripped it immediately and sold it.

  • @666zhang666
    @666zhang666 Před rokem +5

    BS. This guy sounds like somebody that never used DI2 before. Why I know that? There is no way back to mechanical once you used DI2.

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Před rokem

      I proved your last sentence wrong, I realised I can live without it after riding with Di2 a few times.
      Of all the rides I've done, never have I ever thought I needed an electronic groupset.

  • @loud_v8_noises
    @loud_v8_noises Před rokem

    “It shifts better!” Lol notice he didn’t show front derailleur cuz FD mechanical sucks

  • @williamko4751
    @williamko4751 Před rokem

    Electronic feels electrical, no soul and no feel

  • @ruipcorreia
    @ruipcorreia Před rokem

    Please inform Pogacar and Vout Van Aert about your point. They are sleeping all the time. They dont known that mechanical are much better !

  • @ribbyramone
    @ribbyramone Před rokem

    What a load of bollocks! DI2 is impeccable.

  • @MD-tr1yv
    @MD-tr1yv Před rokem

    I met a guy mid ride and his di2 battery died… he had to ride in the small gear in front to do like 110 Cadence to just hit 20mph. Yeah no thanks I’ll stick with my ultegra 6700 😂

  • @johntechwriter
    @johntechwriter Před rokem

    You’re right, mechanical Ultegra needs no “improvements.” Especially when they are incredibly complex and require electricity to operate. When a dead battery strands you 40 miles out in the boonies, THEN you will understand.

    • @grobbosixtyone
      @grobbosixtyone Před rokem

      I’ve had the 6800 Ultegra and then the 8000 Ultegra. The 8000 is nowhere near as smooth and the cassette is always going out of alignment

  • @drexydelavega5516
    @drexydelavega5516 Před rokem +3

    Yes! And better in rim brake version

  • @2112bigd
    @2112bigd Před rokem +1

    Di2 is vastly superior. Sorry.

  • @spongesurf12
    @spongesurf12 Před rokem

    Once you switch to Di2, you will not want to go back. It is really that good.

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Před rokem

      I've ridden with Di2 a few times and actually realised I can live without it.

    • @williamko4751
      @williamko4751 Před rokem

      Speak for yourself.
      I rode DI2 for six months. I went back to mechanical.
      Electronic has no feel

  • @DHS_Studio
    @DHS_Studio Před rokem

    LOL. These arguments are only correct for those who can't afford a di2 🤣

  • @morganconey4814
    @morganconey4814 Před rokem

    You know there is 164g between 105 R7000 and Ultegra R8100 mechanical disc right? 😂

  • @jamiesabuda7757
    @jamiesabuda7757 Před rokem

    you can't shift while breaking with mechanical.

  • @RedWingsninetyone
    @RedWingsninetyone Před rokem

    Di2 is not for me. I know it works well. However, personally I feel it takes away from what I love about biking. Sure, I charge my bike computer every few rides, but I don't have to. If you forget to charge your shifter batteries or don't bring spares, you're SOL. Plus, it's easier to rig a mechanical one in case of emergency.

    • @jarne...........k............
      @jarne...........k............ Před rokem

      Lol the batteries last months and are easy to charge

    • @RedWingsninetyone
      @RedWingsninetyone Před rokem

      @@jarne...........k............ and a cable can last years and requires no charging or connection to any grid.

    • @jarne...........k............
      @jarne...........k............ Před rokem

      @@RedWingsninetyone you're gonna have to adjust cable groupsets every couple of months/years depending on how much you ride and you dont have to connect di2 to anything

    • @RedWingsninetyone
      @RedWingsninetyone Před rokem

      @@jarne...........k............ maybe a twist of a barrel adjuster every now and then depending on use. Still less work than remembering to charge. Again, the whole need to connect to an outlet takes away from what biking is. But that's me.

    • @jarne...........k............
      @jarne...........k............ Před rokem

      @@RedWingsninetyone "to any grid" what are you on about

  • @bartmullin8018
    @bartmullin8018 Před rokem

    Shimano just wants more of your money plain and simple(!). Boycott any manufacturer that pulls this stunt and put them out of business. Nobody Needs status-symbol halo componentry when the mechanical version works just fine and unless you're an Elite athlete, you'll never notice or benefit from the Supposed upgrades. I had a couple of road bikes in the 90s with mechanical Ultegra and they were sweet-shifting units and trained with many a crit-racer who competed quite well sans e-shifting. Even the 105 of the day was nice and I'd Still choose older mechanical 105, 600, or DuraAce on a rim-braked road-bike. Now, I'd give SRAM and Shimano the finger and go with the R9 mechanical shifting system from MicroShift.

  • @Enigmaafk
    @Enigmaafk Před rokem

    What wheelset you have on this bike? Nice
    Video

  • @Djoki1
    @Djoki1 Před rokem

    Electronic groupsets just look cleaner.
    Mechanical all the way.

  • @orlandogodoy3233
    @orlandogodoy3233 Před rokem

    Why anyone would want a bike that needs wifi to shift is beyond me.

  • @Vortagor
    @Vortagor Před rokem

    i guess i'm the only one having issue with the mechanical ultegra

  • @Eirikkinserdal
    @Eirikkinserdal Před rokem +3

    No, those shifters are nasty 😅