My Life-Changing Experience on Everest: Discovering Mallory with Andy Politz
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- After the discovery of George Mallory at nearly 27,000 feet or 8,200 meters on the north face of Everest on May 1 1999, the five who reached the body that day covered him up as best as they could. The surface up there is like steel hard ice and rock. So finding rocks to cover his remains was a challenge. It's not like burying something where you can actually dig. When you find a rock, then pry it from the grip of frozen ice and scree, it's a victory.
Our climbing team descended back down to base camp for an extended rest…and, a HUGE Base Camp party…..
the original plan is that the search and climbing team is going to go back up the mountain on May 12 or 13…then, tragically, on May 8th our next door neighbors and colleagues on the mountain, a strong and charismatic team of three from Ukraine, summited during horrible weather, on the descent, one of the climbers disappeared through a cornice on the ridge….and a rescue ensued where most of the teams pitched in to help save another Ukrainian climber in serious condition.
six of us went back up to Camp 5 to be in position for a search and summit bid, with the idea that TWO OF US would launch a search for Sandy Irvine while four would go tackle the Second Step and the summit. However, when we got back, we noticed that a lot of snow had fallen So the call was made that instead of a search for Andrew Irvine there would be a return to the site of George Mallory - with a metal detector.
When we arrived at Camp 5, at about 26,000 feet, or 7,925 meters, we were slammed by a terrific three day long Himalayam storm…it was nearly impossible to even stand up outside of the tents
May 16th dawned blue and calm….and so up we went….
In this segment I ask Andy Politz about his experience on 16 May 1999, where we went together to the site of George Mallory. While we’ve touched on this conversation since then, this is by far the longest conversation Andy and I have had about one of the most powerful days in my life.
Not unlike on the day of the discovery, 16 May revealed many new clues of the fate of Mallory & Irvine….the discovery of the watch for instance
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It was a pure pleasure to listen to words of wisdom, it reminded me almost to J.R.R. Tolkien and his prose - full of deep understanding what is life really about.
The more I think about I do believe they managed to climb Everest but we may never know for sure. It is almost like watching to the sky and wondering what happened on planet B 612 when Little Prince arrived back home.
Pavol, thank you! Yes, Andy speaks Truth from the depth of his heart and soul. I really like that metaphor to the Little Prince....and agree with you that I also beieve they may have managed to climb it. Onward! Thank you again!
I really believe they made it to the top.
But there is no concrete proof that they did.
@@derekfraser7397 True, but I hope there might be proof one day.
I doubt it, it's now almost 100 years since Mallory and Irvine died on Everest, and any remaining evidence must surely have succumbed to the elements long before now.
Yes. Norton Couloir zigzag route, seen on the 3rd step, summitted and died on the way back. All the talk of the feasibility of the Second Step is just unnecessary noise - there's NO evidence to suggest they went that way. They were on a summit attempt, it's crazy to suggest they'd have tried a totally different route to Norton or one that Mallory had repeatedly discounted previously. They'd have believed that with Oxygen they'd simply have a far better chance of completing Norton's route than Norton did without oxygen. I feel the only mystery is really why people want to paint them as going the ridge route - and where is Irvine.
The letter to his wife and photo of her was missing from his remains.
He would have kept it very safe and its absence implies he left it at the top like he promised he would
Whoa that dude Andy Politz is so badass to listen to !! He's talking from the heart. I haven't heard anyone EVER do that on youtube. Like WOW! Thank You. ......"Just listen......just listen" Jah Bless Bro !!
Andy is indeed the real deal, and a good soul. Thank you for watching!
Wow....Andy keeps speaking words of wisdom. That is what gratitude is all about. Thank you!
You know it's going to be a good day when Thom and Micheal release Everest videos within hours of one another 😁
We each have a two way radio that repeats off the summit of Everest....lol
I’m not a mountaineer, but I am a retired military officer and veteran of two wars. I agree that war changes people. Whether you’re an infantry soldier or a field artillery officer, you see and do things in war that completely change your perspective. It’s a fact that many people who have survived war not only become risk-takers, but have come to a reckoning and sense of acceptance about their own death. They become confident that they can do hard things, and may even come to view it as their duty to do hard things that most other people wouldn’t attempt. As they age, you will often hear combat soldiers express surprise that they have lived as long as they have. Not knowing much else about the Everest experience than what I have read and watched, my gut tells me that if it was possible for Mallory to summit, he did exactly that, and died on his descent.
This is exceptional insight into the mind of a man (or woman), and hearkens to Wade Davis' book Into The Silence. Whether one is in the trenches, field artillery, a desk clerk or whatever, the death and loss must have an overwhelming impact on those individuals. The way you described it, Kelly, in all honesty, is the best argument I've seen on the side of saying M&I made it to the summit. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and your personal experience. I'm glad you watched and happy that you're here. Yours, -Thom
@@kingvikramjit7221 Thank you. (And it’s Ma’am, not Sir.) 🤟🏼
@@kingvikramjit7221 Thank you for your service! Much appreciated and my respect. 🙏
The people who are interested in the Mallory/Irvine story are those who can personally relate to facing a daunting challenge, regardless of the context. Thanks to both of you for your reflections and insights.
indeed. i feel closer empathy to the two gentlemen in tweed coats and hobnail boots, pushing the edges of the maps one step at a time, because another thing could not be. i relate, though in a deeply personal context. thanks to you and andy for your articulations, my life is richer for them. :)
Fascinating topic. I would just like to say, and im sure you'll agree. All our ancestors, fathers grandfathers, were a lot tougher than we are today. Even consider what a days work meant back in those days. These people had real metal. That maybe we cant comprehend. Thank you if you read this. 😊
Robert, thank you for the comment...I agree! Those on the 1924 British Expedition had been through an exceptional amount of pain and anguish with the World War. They had seen more than I could ever know. I appreciate that you watched and for taking the time to share your thoughts!
Yes! Yes!
Absolutely. My Grandparents were born from 1892 to 1899. One in West Virginia and the other West coast. They were soldiers, worked the land, logged, built bridges and coal mined. Lived through the depression, world wars and the flu epidemic. Both grandmas worked, one a teacher and the other, factory jobs. Tough people.
Great video, Thom! That team that discovered George was an awesome and some of the very best climbers to ever climb The Mother Goddess.
Thank you, Thom!
Thank you very much for watching and for sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it. More to come on Everest Mystery in 2024!
Once again such an insightful dialogue. it really is a privilege. Everest, post first world war.. the deaths Mallory must have seen as an Arty officer on the battlefield of Somme.. it is a very different generation.. to think that only Irvine did not actually see real action in the war where everyone else did does not take away anything from Sandy Irvine.
I do think Odell saw them at the 'last step but one nearing the base of final pyramid' which has to be above the Second Step and possibly at the Third Step. With Five Oxygen bottles, perhaps an additional cover of Sleeping bags, and the timelines that match Nortons( except that he turned around at 1 pm) whereas Mallory and Irvine chose to forge ahead almost at the same time when Odell saw them at 12.50 should tell us a story. Mallory was found way below... Obviously descending in dark... It took Norton almost nine and half hours from his high point to camp IV. Mallory given the storm might have made it either with Irvine or alone to the summit by 4.30 or 5 PM and if we add then the same timeline for them to reach camp VI then he almost made it. Camp VI because he was that much more higher. He almost made it to Camp VI.
Where is Irvine?
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Even Sir Edmond Hillary thinks that Mallory made it to the top. He was being interviewed and was asked if he thought that M and I made it, he said it’s not relevant, it’s getting down successfully that counts. Oh no Eddie, it’s getting to the top that counts. These guys are my hero’s always have been along with Shackleton heroes one and all.
Jennifer thank you! That's a good take! Thanks for being here :)
Hello! I enjoy your videos very much. I am an armchair explorer though I have done easy 13ers in in the Rockies. I love the Mallory and Irvine conversations and would like to say how appreciative I am of your calm and measured replies to those who like to be overly critical to you and others. Please keep posting these vids!
I can't thank you enough for your kind words and support, it means a lot to me. I hope to keep bringing good stuff to the channel!
In the Great War, George Leigh Mallory was an artillery officer. He often volunteered to man a forward observation post within the front lines and under enemy fire, in an exposed position.
Fascinating stuff Thom. Conrad Anker gets and deserves a lot of credit for finding Mallory. He doesn’t think Mallory made it but makes wrong assumptions. States as fact they started out dehydrated without fluids having lost the camp six cooker, Irvine sick and sunburned without adequate sunblock, and unrested sleeping without oxygen. They lost the camp five cooker, Mallory had zinc oxide in his pocket and they left oxygen bottles in the tent.
Joe, much appreciated. I believe Conrad's assertions, if those are what he suggests, are solid. M&I were dehydrated (everyone is up there). Zinc oxide prevents sunburn, doesn't cure it, therefore has zero impact on Sandy's condition. M&I were unrested (everyone is up there). M&I were wearing clothing that has yet to be proven at that altitude (recalling that Conrad and Leo Houlding swapped out the period clothing for down suits, Everest boots and were using modern day oxygen apparatus. I could be wrong, and have been wrong many times. Thank you as always for watching and for your thoughts, my friend!
Now I'm totally confused. I guess I need to go wayyy back and see/read more. You said they changed out the suits and boots of Mallory? That he could have been wearing period clothing?
Thanks so much for the reflections you both bring to this topic. Experiencing war certainly does change you; it breaks but also steels, and because of the sustained adrenal high, it often fills people with an insatiable thirst to somehow regain that high - sometimes through adventure, or also through other risk-taking behaviour. I do not doubt that these men made the summit, but even if they didn’t, their achievements are still astonishing.
What a great comment, love that thought about the idea of experiencing war....and how it can create a thirst to regain the high. I interviewed a Vietnam vet many, many moons ago. He was depressed. He was one of the guys who would go into the tunnels, first. He said he'd never had so much fun in his life, and he, at the time, was constantly on the search to regain that feeling, that high. Thank you Roger for sharing your thoughts....you just unearthed a memory of mine and I'm thankful for it. Cheers, my friend
@@EverestMystery you’re very welcome
Thanks for posting this Thom. Andy always seemed like a great guy. Definitely the type you’d like to sit and have a drink with and talk about Everest. Keep up the great work!
So true, and he is. Maybe we could do a fundraiser and raffle off ‘a couple of beers with Andy Politz’ ✌️😎
Thom and Andy: Thanks so much for all your time and insights into what is the Mallory and Irvine mystery. As a climber I cant help but naturally be drawn to the topic but when people ask me so what do you think I respond the only way I can possibly form an opinion is through your experiences and commitments. Listening to both of you what strikes me the most is the depth of the impact on your lives of discovering Mallory and looking him in the eyes. I try and imagine either but just no possible way to get here.
Thanks for the conversation and relating both of your experiences please lets keep it going.
Richard I really appreciate your comment, it means a lot. I'm glad you're here and look forward to hearing more from you! Cheers
Keep these coming please Thom its museum quality thanks! Hearing it first hand from you and the team.
I totally appreciate it, thank you!
Such a great perspective. Thank you so much for sharing this conversation.
@Brendan O'Neill thank you, I appreciate it! Andy is a great guy to have a cup of coffee with in Base Camp, that's for sure.... Thanks again!
Fascinating video. Good luck on your future adventures.
Thanks so much Alec, much appreciated!
I got behind watching your videos with family visiting me. Thanks so much for your channel Thom. I love hearing you guys talking about your experiences on Everest. So interesting! I really like Andy's message. So true. Life is a true blessing.
As always, thank you for being a part of this....it's individuals like you @Wyoming Adventures that makes this channel an actual community. (I feel the same way about Andy!)
Fascinating, thanks Thom. Regards from the UK.
My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it, more soon!
This is one of my favorite videos so far. They made it. Mallory had no fear. He probably fell trying to save Irvine on their way back from the summit.
Thanks so much for watching. I'm really glad that you enjoyed it and happy to have you here. Many believe the same as you, and I hope you are right!
Great work once again Thom 👏
Thanks my friend as always @Alex K 🙏
Thank you
Good stuff, Andy brings some really relevant and often overlooked points to the discussion.
He’s a good man and an insightful soul. Glad you enjoyed the video
Great worlds of wisdom. The way your conversation proceeds from mountaineering history to normal life philosophy topics is exceptional !
Jim, so glad you enjoyed it. Andy is a great friend and a kindred soul. It's a pleasure having him here to share his insight and experiences. Thank you!
There seems to be a split opinion amongst the professional mountineers on Mallory and Irvine navigating the second step, especially Conrad Anker. I find the difference in opinion of these men who know the technical difficulty of climbing Everest fascinating. Makes the mystery much more intriguing..........thank you for this great adventure.
Robert, thank you....I totally agree, and really appreciate the sense that first-hand experience up there can have a pretty big impact. Until a couple years ago I was firmly of the belief that M&I took the Second Step...then, became unsure, then leaned toward the Norton Couloir....and honestly, hearing Andy talk, I'm back on the fence! Thank you for watching!
If you read into it they did not use the modern route. Malory planned to use the zig zag route which circumvented the second step
@@EverestMystery I bet they made a rout out of what is today normal or known. Couloir,Zig Zag or Step are all possible options. To me the Couloir an the Steps are very difficult and the other routes are unknown to this day,so it is very difficult to make an assumption of what happened that day. I think they reach the top and died on the descent.
It would be cool to send a climbing robot over there hehehe,maybe that day is not so far away.
Have loved these videos with Andy and Jochen.
Will join up soon.
Great having you here, Carl, thank you!
Such a great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow that's really cool that you were part of the team that found him. I didn't connect the dots, that is so cool! Certified badass 😎
Amazing wow please keep these coming
Thank you! I do have more on Mallory & Irvine coming up this spring!
@@EverestMystery brilliant I can’t wait thank you
Sir, your team will always be linked in history with Mallory. Y'all have given his family closure. I could never climb a mountain because of my fear of heights. The views you've seen must be awe inspiring. Thank you for sharing.
I appreciate your kind comment. Thank you for watching!
"......you guys who don't think he made it, are just all tied up in knots, relax he made it" always makes me laugh when i see it
I wish it were that easy....But man, Andy sure makes a good argument for them making it! Thank you for watching, really appreciate it! (And, always good to have the 'he made it' folks dropping by!)
I've watched and read,so much about these two adventurers, my simple thought is yes they made it, Their end came on the way down, the simple uncertainty of the time factor, the extreme cold in the dark, all just was to much to endure....Thanks for the information, love your shows....
Those words are straight blessing to them who can relate and understand its deep meaning. If somebody had visited to Nepal they probably knows about CHAUTARI(its like rest point on the trails) where we always get such wisdom words from our elders everyday. Andy's beautiful words and Mallory's courage just touched my little heart forever❣
Thank you so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I LOVE the word chautari, and so happy that you reminded me of it. Thank you again, and blessings to you
Very interesting and enlightening perspective on life.
Hi Paul, thank you, so glad you enjoyed it!
I remember when I became interested in the climbers of Everest 10 years ago...Watching your documentary of finding George Malory, and Any saying" Oh my God, we've found George Malory" was one of the most riveting things I've seen in my life. Thank you so much for bringing us up there with you to experience it that day- The respect you showed to the body, and the prayer you recited, that's the stuff legends do...Well done sirs, well done-
Wow, thank you, I truly appreciate it. I'm happy you found the video and took the time to watch...I hope to bring some more good stuff for you in the coming months
Nice video - my personal thoughts - from the perspective of a fellow mountaineer is how monumentality difficult their summit attempts would’ve been given the collective circumstances.
- no established route
- no aid
- prehistoric gear
All are overwhelming details that would go against them making the summit. Sure Mallory was by all accounts a gifted climber but Irvine was far that. I want to believe they made it but sadly we will never know. My primary feeling is sadness for them and their families.
So true, and your last comment is absolutely my feelings about it. It plain and simple comes down to the fact that it was a big tragedy for so many people. Thank you for watching and for your comments!
Sweet channel man. Lots of information here
I appreciate it, thank you!
It would be cool to hear some stories about other big mountains you and your friends have climbed. I’m not sure if you ever mentioned if you had been to Cho Oyu or Ama, etc.
Good call...just thinking about it this morning, in fact, some cool stories that Andy and I could share about an avalanche we were in. Thank you as always!
You guys are very generous in sharing your experiences which is an inspiration for any walk of life really! Absolutely amazing and such a treasure you leave for future generations and for ever basically. Hats off! So, as a general observer I was wondering about your description of Sir Mallory's helmet etc. .. I only ever saw footage of the torso, boot etc so this is amazing to hear that the rest of the great man was also found .. may be you can clarify a bit for me, thank you so much.
After watching I just realized you saw his face. Wow, it's amazing how well his body was preserved. I've always wondered if he was still alive and conscious at the point where you found him. And also if he took his boot off when he came to rest. Anyway cool channel! 🗻 Thanks.
Thank you so much, really happy you found this channel! Seeing GLM's face was one of the most powerful moments of my life, not a day goes by that I don't think about it. Thank you for watching
@@EverestMystery I can't imagine how emotional that would be especially to an expert mountaineer. Can I ask if you "said" anything to him? Just looking at a photograph of him, I was struck by his personality, and I kind of knew he reached the summit. Thank you for the wonderful videos.
I’m curious could you still sense the strength and courage of Mallory when you were with him
David, I was so in awe of him before getting within 100 feet of him, that perhaps my memory of it is biased in thinking yes, absolutely. He had a striking presence, and his facial expression of calmness and resolution. Thank you for watching!
How incredible, to have looked into his face.
Dude! 🙏
So glad you enjoyed it, thank you!
I believe George made it. I feel Sandy (my hero) was lost beforehand.
Hi! Thanks for all you've done. I have a great amount of respect for the hard work you've done to try and find some answers to this mystery. I've gone down the M&I rabbit hole over the past 24 hours, and I'm curious if you know where I can find all the publically available images of Mallory's body, and/or the "official" description of its condition? I know some photos were taken during your investigation that you don't intend to release, for good reason, but I'm really curious to know if there's any official record.
I'm definitely doing some armchair sleuthing here, and I don't want his remains to be disturbed again. But if we were able to figure out the angles of his breaks and lacerations, couldn't we learn more about where he might've fallen from? If we could even just, eliminate a direction he could've fallen from, or determine an injury could've only happened in a certain way, we could know a lot more about his final hours. I wonder if there's any way to take X-rays of his body. X-ray machines are a lot more portable nowadays, and we could learn more without having to move him or harm his remains. Just spitballing, I guess. I'm curious to know what we can learn forensically from the photos, at any rate, so please let me know if there's a definitive source for them if you can. Thanks again for everything. It's clear that you and your team had the best of intentions, and did all you could to walk the fine line between gathering information and respecting the dead.
EDIT: Oh my gosh, someone did bring an x-ray machine to base camp in 2022! wow! www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/northbrook/ct-nbs-northbrook-readiography-mteverest-tl-0728-20220722-gdwi74iryvcd3cvigvmitsmamq-story.html
I'm not a climber. So I won't waste too much of your time. But your guest pointed out many of the reasons I think they made. Heaven knows what summit fever Mallory got with each step towards the summit. That being said. That takes nothing away from Hillary Summit. Getting to the top is only half of the climb. You have to get back down alive. Thank you for the videos on this subject.
I truly appreciate your good thoughts and that you watch these videos. Thank you!
Wow 🤩 that must have been pretty surreal for u to discover him and manipulate him to look for evidence and find the watch!!!!!!!! It’s amazing 🤩
Meg, awesome having you here! Thank you!
@@EverestMystery I’m watching storm over Denali RIGHT NOW !!! Ur a star ⭐️ u guys were really working hard ! U shld wrote a book Thom! Love the content
As a mail carrier I delivered many issues of Outside magazine. When Mallory was discovered in 1999 that issue had a cover photo of his corpse propped up and facing the camera. It was very macabre. I assume that Mallory’s surviving family members lodged a complaint with the magazine.
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wow yet another amazing video i like to believe they made it aswell ,ill try to be a member as soon as i can currently in a financial crisis i cant afford to eat ,regards Elisabeth
Thank you Elisabeth, I always appreciate your input on this channel and appreciate your insight and balance. Yours, -Thom
Hello Thom,
Thanks for sharing these interviews. I was wondering if there was ever a plan to have an expert take a look at the altimeter to see if anything could be determined about its highest reading?
I know some work was done to analyze the face of the altimeter, but has anyone looked at its inside?
HI and thank you! I admit that I don't have an answer for that. I would imagine someone was enlisted to do some forensics on the altimeter. I'll have to ask one of the film producers to find out more. Thanks again!
Very great that yall tried helping irvine & mallory legacy but hopefully yall returned that watch because keeping it as a trophy is grave robbing unless it somehow proves they summited everest helping change history in a positive way for Mallory & Irvine just like the film from the camera 📷
Here's a video I did to answer that those questions:
czcams.com/video/Ke2T4oaXA0I/video.html
I think at least Mallory made it…the picture wasn’t with him…I think on the decent something happened…I’m not sure Irvine made it, I think something happened and Mallory cut the rope…I think thats why Irvine wasn’t found…either way it’s such an amazing story of his drive and strength in the clothing and boots they had…I mean wow!
Thanks for taking the time to watch! I hope you enjoy the other related videos here about Mallory & Irvine
I think they had a plan to get around the 2nd step long before they made the summit attempt. These men didnt take a dump without a plan. I think they went around it in some way & I think they made it to the top. I think like so many they wore themselves out making it to the top so they didnt have enough strength left to safely return from the summit and they traded the summit for their lives. Its sad these men survived so much to die up on that mountain.
They were last seen above/higher than the third step. Why do you question them climbing a lower obstacle?
@@Garde538 because there is a good case that simply decided to take a route that avoided it altogether
@@Garde538 If that account wasn't just a romantic tribute..
It's debatable where they were seen by Odell, even his own teammates questioned it, even so far as wondering if he saw rocks and not men. There unfortunately is nothing conclusive about where or if he saw them. Cheers
Possibly....given Mallory's location so far east of the summit, it seems to me highly unlikely they reached the summit....but I truly would love to proven wrong and I'm more than hopeful they did make it. Thanks for watching!
Andy has always been zen'd out but good lord. These dudes aren't even smoking!
Imagine if we had been smoking! Holy Heavens, that would have extended the interview by possibly hours LOL Thanks for watching!
When you were discussing how you found a watch and saw his helmet, and Id heard an axe was previously found, I began to think about what equipment is at the ready on ascent vs descent. As I have no mountaineering exerience or knowledge, would the equipment found near the bodies give insight into whether they were ascending or descending? Would it give a clue as to whether they submitted and were descending or still on the climb? Would it indicate they decided to turn around before submitting? Maybe that's a question a novice would ask but thought I'd ask it however blatantly it showed I know nothing about mountaineering.
2:33 a Silver case large onion crown Borgel wrist watch made in Switzerland.
I’d love to own one! Thank you for ‘watching’
I get a nosebleed just going upstairs, I have the greatest respect for the folk that CAN do it, it’s just not me.
Jennifer, super cool that you just know something might not literally be for you, but to have a genuine interest in it. Thank you!
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Thank you!
@EverestMystery I'm going to hopefully do a Mallory video one day! Love your content!
I'm just trying to get a sense of the scale of Everest (29,031 ft 8+1⁄2 in). The tallest mountain near me is only 2,598 feet high (Fascoum, Comeragh Mountains, Ireland)
Its must be incredible just looking at that mountain in person, like looking up to the heavens or something. For an Englishman like Mallory seeing such a huge mountain in person must have been truly bewildering.
The scale of Everest is beyond belief....so magnificent and massive. Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts, and greetings for the northeast USA, where the highest mountain is 6.288'.
@@EverestMystery Thanks, this video was really an eye opener.
I would like to believe that they made it...but I do not think they climbed step 2. They traversed the mountain and went up the couloir and that is when Odell saw them at 12:50pm by step 3..
Thom can you please answer the following questions:
Which pocket was the wristwatch in? Why was it missed in the first search?
The Ghosts above book states that the 02 bottle was found within 3 minutes of descending step 1, but it also mentions that it was hidden some 650 ft from the base of step 1...what gives?
Thanks for letting us mortals participate in your adventures.
Greetings and thank you for watching! The watch escaped detection during the first search because he was facing toward the surface, and they only searched what was facing upward. I'm honestly not 100% sure about the O2 bottle....Jochen Hemmleb writes a lot about it. Eric Simonson found it in 1991, but never did anything about it. He regretted it for years, then provided us with the intel to relocate it in 1999. Jake Norton and Tap Richards purportedly moved it during their summit bid on May 16th and recovered it when descending...so, it was in two different places, essentially. Cheers, and thank you
I have a question. Why has the full video and all photos of the search for Mallory not been shared? Seems that would be what anybody who was a part of the finding and subsequent body search would genuinely want for the sake of Mallory.
More a respect thing....I usually don't post photos of the body. Many of the photos can be found online, through published magazine articles and books about the topic. I stumbled across a few of my photos in an article that was published in 1999...and I believe five of my photos were in National Geographic magazine in Oct of that year. In regards to the video, I have no copyright permission...but working on it. Thanks Tim
Hey Tom.. hello again..
Just one quick question..
When you and Mark find out that Irvin is not in that spot which Holzel marks..you probably told him that
What was his comment..?
Holzel in his video mentioned that one of the sherpas saw the body in 1995 and same described like a chinese guy who saw a body in 1960 or 1975.. i am not sure.. so if on of sherpas saw a body in 1995 then maybe is still there..?
What u think about a theory that Chinese removed the body..?
If that happend,the its happened after 1995..? Right?
All the best!! Cheers
Great hearing from you again and thanks for watching. Yes, the intel that we have (conversations with a retired official from the China Tibet Mountaineering Association) says that Irvine's body was removed before 2008 (when they closed the mountain to clean it of bodies and garbage before bringing the Olympic torch to the summit.) The assumption is that it was sometime after 1995 and before 2008. Whether they threw it over the Kangshung Face, down the North Face or removed it is up for debate and deserves some further research. Thanks again!
You tried to keep him focused but his head is in the clouds. Oh well
Something kinda beautiful about it :) thank you my friend for watching! I appreciate it!
Hi Thom. "Last person alive to have looked into the face of George Leigh Mallory" may not be true. Last I heard, Mallory's son John was still alive. OOOoops, no. I was wrong he has passed away. God rest them all.
Ah yes, and I had the immense pleasure of meeting John Mallory, in Boston, at a dinner with the PBS Nova team, David Breashears, Tom Holzel, Paul Apsell...it was a splendid evening, where I was able to talk to him about his dad. Thank you for watching!
@@EverestMystery An interesting life, Thom.
my question to whether they made it or not. does anyone know if Mallory and Irvine had the equipment and the ability to complete the Hillary Step before they summit? I would love to think they made it to summit but I believe they got to Hillary Step and realized it was too much for them and then as they turned back is when they fell off and passed.
Anyone with more knowledge please feel free to add insight for me, i'm very new to this history.
I believe you're referring to the Second Step. Theoretically, a climber could ascend this obstacle en route to the ridge...via use of the ice axes and the rope they were carrying. Many believe they used the now named Norton Couloir route. Thank you for watching, truly appreciate it!
They DEFINITELY made it to the top. Just thinking about their skills ….to climb without the modern aids. Cutting their own steps …. This was a fall coming down…so much easier to fall on the descent… just thinking about how you would lay your feet (as a former dancer…feet and ankles). The fact that the photo was missing…
I thought they couldn't take the second step because they would have needed a rope to get down and no rope was ever found on the second step. Andy thinking, they could make is just his opinion. other climbers claim the opposite. All i know is that Mallory's ego and going behind Nortons back got Him and Sandy, who never was involved with the war and wasn't a mountain climber, killed.
Andy is a believer in the Second Step route. No one knows for sure which route they took. His description sounds solid to me, although I'm on the fence about it. The rope was found around GLM's waist...which might explain the lack of evidence on the step. Thank you as always for watching! Much appreciated
@@EverestMystery That rope was not going to save anybody. About as useful as a clothes line.
@@EverestMystery It is a pleasure to watch your videos.
You still haven't answered the question Thom, even though you said at the beginning of this vid that you've been asked it. Did you or did you not take a picture of his face?
I have often wondered that Myself .
I'll get around to it eventually....for now, I am holding back on anything that hasn't already been published in books and magazines. Hopefully, I can speak to family members beforehand. Cheers and thank you!
@@EverestMystery What is your motive here? Money?
He talked to Norton earlier who almost got to the top. Would sound logical he took the same route with Oxygen.
Here's a counter-point to that thought, thinking Norton talked him out of the couloir: czcams.com/video/BPRS_hJU0ho/video.html
Let me know what you think!
From what little I know, Andrew was a great big huge strong guy, around 220 pounds body weight. So I lend the most credence to the theory that he fall all the way down into the Rongbuk bergschrund.
Good possibility....I pray that we will one day find him... Thank you for watching
Hi Tom, I watched this magnificent drone footage from Everest and at this particular spot I had an idea: czcams.com/video/Zz9oI3B6v4c/video.html
Recently in High Tatras somebody found a bottle hidden near the peak with a letter which was a proof of a century long dispute if the climber succeeded (can't remember now who it was). But watching the video I came to a conclusion that if I would be Mallory I would find som rocky terrain bellow snowy top and hide some proof, e.g. some tin can with photograph of wife in it etc. Do you know if there was any expedition which would meticulously search cracks and stones just below the top?
I would love to see the story about the bottle and the letter (if you should ever find it). Regarding Mallory and the photo of his wife, Ruth, I would imagine that it might be out there somewhere, waiting for someone to chance upon it....
If you found the camera would the roll be in tact after nearly 100 years
Thank you for the question. Here is a video that I did on that very question: czcams.com/video/7aUOsdlHFxM/video.html
Take care and thank you for watching
I hope the watch went to Mallory’s family
Everything did, or was left with the Royal Geographical Society. Thanks for watching
Mallory was an artillery officer. He did not experience the horrors of trench warfare.
While I agree there is a difference, I being one who has not experienced war, would imagine that the trauma of war is not monopolized by those in the trenches. I'd go so far to say that even the housewives at home were forever and indelibly changed by the devastation and loss, the fear and horror. Cheers, thank you for being here!
Surely this is a joke ?. Please take some short time to read a few soldiers accounts of this time . May I suggest Lyn MacDonald who's books ,1914,1915,16 and, They call it Passchendale are probably the most vivid accouns,t in their own words I have ever read . harrowing isn't big enough a descriptive. Artillery teams holding until they are open sights at 100 yards from a creeping incoming barrage ,horses and men blown in all directions ,shells screaming like freight trains ,mud ,blood , deafening cataclysmic destruction so vast the world is upside down and inside out .One account of a young gunner holding his dying horse is enough to turn a heart to ice . This was total war .
Actually, numerous artillerymen faved deployment to direct fire postings in the forward entrnchments. In many armies, the machinge guns were considered artillery. But many field artillery regiments operated in recently captured and sometimes counterattacked enemy teenches.
Do you believe that Mallory made it to the top?
So of the Chinese didn’t move irvine. That I don’t see way they would if he wasn’t on the mean route. And irvine pick was right at top of mallory and the photos look at he was tide was to Irvine. I have a stupid feeling that Irvine body is in Nepal and that way no one has found his body
Much appreciated....thank you! One other possibility is that he is over on the Kangshung Face side of the mountain (east face). Thank you for watching!
@@EverestMystery is a big Mountain and if he didn’t get removed. I think he be found in accident when someone is take on off the different routes
@@EverestMystery someone has to look for Irvine. More people, more metal detected, time will find him. His body may hold diary entries. He must have went a different way and froze somewhere.
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Sir you don't talked about face of mallory
Body
Talked about his cap hat or helmet leather helmet and you're trying to unlock and hook it talking about the injury some kind of on forehead talked about may be a possible injury hidden and the need the helmet 🪖
But you don't describe the face picture rendering or sketch
that was the composer's skeleton face or parcel intact or frozen in hair
eyes and mouth closed or open
The holes 🕳 in butt the damage can me seen in some photos or videos
Sir please explain
Also the estimated area that was search from starting point of find the body and after find body the around the body been searched
I’m probably out of step with most here but like others, i have been following this for some years before the ‘99 expedition. Many claims and counter claims made but i have two main concerns. Firstly people are looking for Irvine and risking their lives doing it, when the Chinese ( those nice people that murder Tibetans) in all likelyhood disposed of the body decades ago. Secondly that Mallory was committed then subsequently exhumed . I was appalled to read of Politz standing on Mallory’s body to prise him up. Please tell me that is not true. Many artifacts taken for “ research” anf full disclosure of whereabouts not known. It would also appear that Simonsons wife was getting into a public spat with the families of M and I. My fear is that the corpse of Mallory has become a “ human Titanic” for treasure hunters.
Then release the footage. It’s simple.
You go dude!! You helped me get my groove back.I live in Seattle. My Dad had a two digit REI card. I hiked the places that the lumber men let us into. My Dad helped the Weyerhaeuser guys when a log went through their cab! They turned me onto lakes nobody had been to yet. We had a key.
Glad that you enjoyed the video and that you got your groove back! Cheers and thank you!
So… no oxígen, late that 😢 night, Irvin was no Climber, not good clothing, did the 2nd step at night in Bad weather plus….plus…. Look and compare the enourmous difference to Hillary-Tending , two climbers ……. I am so sure M&I. Died in the Bad weather that same afternoon. Absolutely .
Yes, I feel that you are on point here....thank you for watching, great having you here!
My opinion he died on the way back down
Many share that hope!
I don't care what I look like, I want to survive! Dumb as I am.