INTERMEDIATE GUIDE TO CHARGE BLADES! PART II - Monster Hunter Now Diaries
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Timestamps:
00:00 -Introduction
00:10 - Charge Blade Gameplay Review
01:55 - How to Approach Learning the Charge Blades
03:45 - Practice Mode Setup, SAVE YOUR POTIONS!
04:18 - Addressing the AED vs SAED contention: is SAED worth it?
06:25 - Advantages of the SAED
06:42 - First caveat of the SAED
07:55 - Second caveat of the SAED
09:14 - Build Recommendations Foreword & Rationale
09:35 - Quick Work 1/2/3 Demonstration
09:54 - Explosions draw power from EA / Raw boosting skills.
10:03 - Explosions are not affected by Affinity
11:11 - Raw Setups
12:26 - Raw Weapon Choices
12:50 - Fire Setups
13:37 - Fire Weapon Choices
14:00 - Water Setups
14:36 - Water Weapon Choices
14:43 - Thunder Setups
15:05 - Thunder Weapon Choices
15:10 - Ice Setups
15:28 - Ice Weapon Choices
15:35 - Dragon Setups
16:04 - Status Weapon Choices
16:17 - Paralysis Weapon Tips
16:40 - Paralysis Setup
17:34 - Poison Weapon Tips
17:55 - Outro
THE WAIT IS OVER! THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE ON THIS GUIDE! AND WE JUST HIT 700 SUBS!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
i might've lost some sleep over the charge blades. and many potions. it started out as a challenge for me as i only dabbled in the charge blades a little during my time in World. so i wanted to make sure that i did enough testing, consulting, and research before getting this guide out to you guys. i gave it my all into making it as easy as possible to follow. please let me know if i failed to make it easy. ╥﹏╥
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Actually, 3398 is 45% more than 2344
And 2344 is 31% LESS than 3398. You can't just reverse less/more numbers and expect it to be accurate
I'll give you an example on simpler numbers:
100 vs 200
200 is 100% more than 100 (basically it's double)
But 100 is 50% of 200
So you get a different result depending on which value is compared against which and you seemed to mix the two.
Also, your AED vs SAED comparison didn't take into account fact that SAED burns all your phials and AED only one. Someone already wrote a comment about that, so I won't get into details, but it heavily influences the calculations of its efficiency.
Also, one more mention - the 20% in Sunny video is actually the damage difference between charged vs uncharged axe/phial attacks. All the clips from sunny you use here are actually AEDs, and not SAEDs with a missing hit, like you claim in your video.
thank you for your comment. i understand what you mean. and thank you for pointing out. I got mixed up! That 30% is the damage difference against SAED.
(3398-2344)/3398 x100% = 31%
SAED is indeed ‘45% more’ than AED.
that means, more time to charge shield! 😂
understand the concern about SAED burning all phials while AED only burning one. i have addressed that in my reply to @jonahfarc
i had got in touch with Sunny prior to get his thoughts. understand that the demonstration shows just Axe/AED attacks with/without red shield. The hits missed were against his intention though 😅 and in my local community, it was taken as AED vs SAED initially 😓
CLARIFICATIONS FOR THIS SECTION AVAILABLE IN PART III czcams.com/video/daAmpcUdTaM/video.htmlsi=VnqhakG0FkR09s90
FINALLY A GUIDE THAT IS ACTUALLY HELPFUL TYSM!! COULDNT FIND ANY GOOD GUIDES OUT THERE >
😅 thank you!
Double upload?! Thank you for your hard work!
DOUBLE!!!! 😆😆😆😆THANK YOU DEEBS!!
Omg this video was exactly what i needed 😭 Thank you for this!
you’re welcome and glad that it helped you! ☺️
I just wanna say, you are INSANELY underrated. Bever give up, your builds and guides are the most useful ive seen
huge compliment, thank you so much!
@@monsterhunternowsg will you be updating your bow builds? Or are they still up to date enough?
@@Metsubouu hmm i haven’t looked deeply yet but they should still be up to date for black diablos weapon + all elemental. i might have to look again for diablos weapon. i’m awaiting the coral pukei release. do stay tuned ☺️
@@monsterhunternowsg okay thank you!
Wow, that was really useful. Thank you!
This was way better than a lot of the other the videos I've seen about MHN. Good job!
thank you so much!
Such good detail! I really like the part about how to approach learning the charge blade and it's helping me to start my charge blade journey! You gained a subscriber!
😄 yay welcome aboard the charge blades (and my channel!)!! thank you for checking my video out. :)
Your guide helps me IMMENSELY! You are a gem to the mh community. Keep it up!
i’m so happy to hear that and thank you for the great encouragement! ☺️
Great video!
SUNNY!!! 😅🔥 thank you!
you have the best video content ive ever seen. Your voice is lovely and so was the piano. 10/10
thank you 🥹 i love the piano too it calmed me (when in reality charge blades stirred internal chaos) 😅😅😅
I highly value your videos. Thank you. I'm looking forward to an update on Dual Blades from you , there is almost no other content being released by anyone I can find on Dual Blades.
this means a lot! thank you for tuning in on my channel. more on dual blades will definitely come 🫡
Really good video with great, well researched information and beginner friendly builds.
However, the AED/SAED comparison seems a bit off to me in this particular video. It first doesn't even address that SAED burns all phials and must recharge while AED allows you to continue with ED2 loops or simply firing another AED. It also assumes you aren't charging shield for AED which seems backwards as it is easier to maintain charged shield with AED than with SAED playstyle. That 30% sounds a lot more daunting until you have to consider the axe mode's significantly damage and that SAED is forced into significantly more sword mode time. An additional aside is that the special complements the AED playstyle significantly more as you can use an AED, cancel it with the special, and you'll remain in axe mode to throw another AED or use an ED2. This is advantageous for AED as you will have phials leftover from this and the AED->SP combo will often force a part break or stagger which gives you a window to AED again. Additionally, it's just more phials to fish for an earlier KO on impact phial. Given this info, I'd like to know if you still believe SAED is more worth it than AED, and if so why?
In terms of build, I do also think the advantage of Focus 2 should have been mentioned if Quick Work is to be mentioned. Focus 2 allows you specifically to hit red with 2 spinning slashes and a charged double slash. This has two main use cases: starting far from enemy and after charging shield. Starting far makes you slide forward which leads into a spinning slash, while charging shield is already a spinning slash (elemental roundslash technically but same phial gain and damage). These can immediately be followed by the Charged Double Slash into spinning slash combo which will give you red gauge immediately. If you have a particular reason against it, I'd also like to know why you particularly dislike it (especially given it only costs one slot).
Last aside is I think it would have been worth mentioning that beyond the 10% damage difference, Jagras CB isn't worth building in ANY scenario particularly because of the impact phial type. This could serve to be a problem for future charge blades down the line as well so I think it would have been nice to see that mentioned.
hello! thank you for your comment and for inviting this discussion.
i indeed had left out presenting that AED only uses up 1 phial, while SAED uses up everything, i shouldve made an emphasis that for SAED, upon getting red gauge in sword mode, use shortcut combos into SAED and repeat - to make it *somewhat* worth the 30% increased damage. it is hard, if not impossible to pull off for 42 seconds.
hence my suggested playstyle for SAED (07:55 - Second Caveat of SEAD) is that if you have 1-2 phials left, consider putting that into your shield, get red gauge and aim for a 5 phial SAED in quick succession. this is certainly a handy burst during moments where you anticipate a monster opening coming soon. for channelling all 5 phials into your shield - i don’t think that’s necessary, unless you like to play with Guard Points.
for Focus 2 into red gauge, that certainly presents a similar advantage to QW 2. i am awaiting more testings & gameplay to look into the nuances of running focus 2 and how it translates. (like would focus 2 lead to unwanted overcharging, with faster charges also mean more of a need to transition, etc) but definitely the playstyle you mentioned above is efficient and it is very understandable if you prefer to run it over qw2.
and yeah for the Jagras CB coming with impact phials (so cursed!)- i should’ve made a mention of that.
@@monsterhunternowsg So watching that segment, I think I'm understanding that you aren't intending to spam SAED for the whole duration but to use it if the opportunity arises. In this more direct comparison I can understand why you're comparing a singular SAED to an AED as you are comparing it in an individual window. However, I still find it important to consider the cost of having to build red, charge, expend, build, and charge again compared to just throwing out an AED and shortcutting into another AED or any other axe mode. While I'm not confident this could be mathematically analyzed for all scenarios, It may be worth evaluating time spent getting back to axe mode attacking after SAED vs after an AED (due to recharging phials etc).
Also, I do find it worth questioning also if charging shield is actually worth it. Assuming an initial 5 phial charge that's 42 seconds of duration for a 20% buff. Considering that 20% ONLY affects axe mode, we'll say you're in sword roughly 1/4 of the time (This is generously low, especially if you're SAEDing). That means you have to charge shield in roughly 6 seconds to break even with the shield buff, much less actually profit from it. Later shield charges can theoretically have an argument but you can assert similar logic in that shield charging is often less dps than an ed2/aed and you always have to immediately rebuild, which doesn't necessarily occur with just swinging the axe.
Thank you. Helps a lot. I was doing the quick shield charge but i couldn’t do it again. Thanks. I’m doing RAW Diabolos CB with Odo Helm and Gloves with Dia boots for Slugger. I don’t know what to use for armor and pants
I'm going for Offensive guard set up with Kulu, Barroth, Banbaro, Diablos and Radobaan and works really well. And you can drop lock on for odo helm like you have it now. If not the base set
In your set you can go for Rath armor and Pink Rath waist for example, for the pure crit
I’m a new player to mhn just shy from a month rank 47 atm. I don’t have access to pink rath. So I’m doing this for now Odo helm for qw2. Dia armor and boots for slugger 3. Rath gloves for burst 2 and lock on. Rath pants for another burst. I’m focusing to build Dia CB as I don’t see any black Dia on the map. So I’ll have to stick to this fow now. But CB is crazy I’m using raw CB 384 atk and could take down 5* monsters without ult
Great video
thank you! 😊
Have just watched both parts, really helpful, was waiting for your guide ngl. Still have some questions about the weapon in this game in particular because haven't started playing until a month ago so I don't have the resources to test everything out :/
In the fire set, wouldn't be better to go for Anja, Rath, Anja, Rath and Kulu? for pure dmg without lock on I mean. Focus benefits CB in the main attack where you hold down to charge your sword, and in main games it also helped to build up the yellow and red phials glow, it may help to get it to yellow in just one sword charge or into red with tap, hold, tap follow up attack (the roundslash one)
One thing I didn't see mentioned was the free SAED cancelled into AED, which is really useful for KOing monsters or tagetting certain parts to break
And just one last thing that I was actually able to test is that charged up red shield is as strong as the Lance shield, like in main games, and the guard point you get from Hold+swipe up is as strong as the perfect guard on Lance when you go the counter on that said weapon. With just Guard 1 you are able to withstand almost every attack in the game (both diablos, Zinogre charged slams, jho heavier attacks and anja charge are the exceptions I found) without receiving dmg or a minimal one, and you make great use of Offensive guard with that for those like me that like the more World/Iceborne CB playstyle
Sry for the huge paragraph but I love the weapon and wanted to be clear about the points, great video as always!
glad you found it helpful, and love your enthusiasm for the weapon! for how focus fares on CB please see the discussion i have just pinned :)
for playstyle using guard points, i am wary to recommend this as in late game 9-10* it can become dangerous and costly to play in this manner. but skills like offensive guard, resentment & guard will certainly help you play with guard points. i am not able to verify just how much points in guard you need to make it safe at the various monster difficulties but i think you should be alright with guard 3 for 8* monsters. (raw weapon of course) and consider playing with red shield to mitigate damage.
While you work on CB, I'm going to try to grind for the Pickle-jho Bow build.
List:
Jho Bow (PkP2)
G6 Azure Helm (Fc2), G6 P. Rath chest (D Atk1/Fc1), G6 Jho arms (PkP2/D Atk1), G6 Jho Coil (D Atk2/TR1), and G6 Jyura Greaves (Fc2/Ls1)
Focus 5, Dragon Atk 4, Peak Performance 4, Tremor Resistance 1, and Last Stand 1
Very nice video thanks for that. What interests me is if guard is worth using? I think about putting it in my elemental builds. The thing is if a high guard neglates the damage which could increase survivability greatly since 8* Monsters and higher do a lot of damage even when blocked
hello! for my take on guard playstyle please see reply to comment by @rhendryoaraque5851 .
This is so helpful I've been using charge blade since it first appear on the console series, but on touch screen device it feels so hard to use 😂😂
glad you find it helpful! and it certainly requires practice and patience to get the hang of. 😅
@@monsterhunternowsg I will have no problem if they let me use a controller. HAHAHA
@@monsterhunternowsg another Singaporean BTW? Just realize the ID
@@YoutiaoVlogs yes! singaporean here :)
hi there, I am trying to figure out how to charge the red shield after storing the phial (0:33). what i understand is that to store the phial, just swipe down and do not tap to transform back to sword mode. but how to charge the red shield, and immediately transform back to sword? when i give it a try, i swipe down, and it will stay in axe mode. i need to have a stance in axe mode, before i can charge the shield. really cant figure out how to do the one like in the video. please help.
Focus increases the amount of phial charges you get making it easier to get the red shield within 10 seconds. I run a focus 4, Quick work 2 , lock on and soon to be burst 2 to get quick SAED's
Personally, 116 less atk seems totally worth the cooler looking azure charge blade lol. Great guide though! I love the graphics summaries, really makes it easy to remember everything
fair enough! 😄
Imo, hunts should go
Shield charge, saed, saed, sp or saed, aed combo.
Hey there. Does Focus skill plays a role on charging the phials faster?
hello it does play a part in getting from
white -> red gauge!
i am curious if a good player can cast multiple AEDs in the time frame it would take them to cast 1 SAED. the SAED cost 5 phials + red shield(another 5 phials) while AED cost 1 phial and SAED only deals 30% more dmg... on paper doesn't seem worth it.
Lets say AED deals 2k dmg that's 2k dmg/phial, that means SAED will deal 30% more at 2.6k that's only 260 dmg/phial on the first SAED and only 364 dmg/phial if you can get 2 SAED in one shield charge. on paper SAED just doesn't seem worth it when you can probably cast 5 AEDs before someone can get off 2 free SAEDs especially since how long the SAED wind up is and the timings you would need.
Also I am curious how much dmg the 3 hit axe combo does when you have phials vs a (S)AED. Also, let me know if I'm wrong or sound crazy haha
For wondering. Why not put in focus skill?
hello! thank you for asking- for focus playstyle please see my to @jonahfarc :)
Thank you
I hope the game will allow us to play more guard point without worrying too much about the damage output(if u want guard 5, no damge for u and damage is important), like world.
indeed. for my take on guard do see my reply to comment by @rhendryoaraque5851 !
Do you think using the azure gloves instead of the rathian gloves in the raw build a good idea?
heyya! great question, according to mhn.quest for black diablos weapon, crit boost 2 wex 4 ce 4 versus burst 2 wex 4 ce 4 has less raw effective power by 6.17% 🤔 even with practicality assessment switched on, reducing burst to 90% efficient, it still has less raw effective power by 5.71%. it shows a similar trend in the diablos weapon. but the difference is at ~3% less raw effective power.
unfortunately with normal crit damage already being at 1.25x (crit boost 0) then crit boost 2 at 1.35x, it’s not enough to overtake a % attack boost to your raw stat like in burst 2, that gives you 10% buff across your raw effective power.
Thanks for answering! That's interesting! I'm still learning how to play charge blade and I will just be using the diablo CB atm. Burst is good but the hits aren't consecutive enough to have burst on all the time versus critical hits being able to hit most of the time I assume?
@@franco8383 it’s my pleasure and i understand that. i just released a part III, and have gone through a little bit about how burst works with the charge blades, maybe it can help you. skip to 08:46 czcams.com/video/daAmpcUdTaM/video.htmlsi=ALmT-MHiVnDDDXjh
I'm more comfortable with AED and axe combo. SAED is too risky and it takes too much time to pull off especially if you're constantly dodging. Doing so, I managed to beat a 6* monster with just G4 Girros CB which is not the highest amount of raw damage.
I'am new in MHN, AED? SAED? what is that mean?
please watch part 1 to know about these moves. AED is acronym for Amped Elemental Discharge and SAED for Super Amped Elemental Discharge.
sword and shield guide?
hmm… 😅 i’ll try if I manage to learn the weapon deeply.
hi
About as thorough as it gets.
The music is quite intrusive and (for me) detracts from the talk. :)
point taken and thank you for this feedback :)
SAED is basically useless for this game. It's just gonna give the monsters an opening